All these quarrels are from scratch, the writers suck them out of their fingers just to add snot to the series. And their dialogues like "we're family" and "I can't trust you" at the end of each episode are already boring.
@wicked_dandelion: soon there will be a little bit of everyone) the king of hell, angel, werewolf are already in the team, soon there will be Leviathans and some other evil spirits)
@Specter: not "the series has rolled down", but specifically this episode is an unbalanced mixture of snot and nonsense.
The last episode about Dean and Crowley working together, the mark and the dagger of Cain, was on top. The next episode is also very cool (I hope my subjective assessment that it's cool is not a spoiler for anyone)
Sam is generally wrong, he is too tough , as if he had never done anything secretly from his brother and did much worse things And Dean did everything for Sam, and that's all, and now he's taking it from him.
The comment was left a few years ago, but still. Why is everyone letting their dogs loose on Sam? After all, he told Death when he was in a coma that he wanted to die. Sam didn't want to be brought back to life, I think it's a personal choice for everyone (if I were in his place). It is clear that Dean will never be able to let his brother go, but I repeat that this is the will of Sam himself. And it's a little selfish of Dean.
I don't understand why Sam has suicidal tendencies. Okay, you can still understand it last season, but in the end he chose life for Dean. And then in the wake. in the episode of the new season, he wants to die again. Then I would have closed the gates, even if I would not have died in vain. Sometimes he wants to die, sometimes he doesn't want to. Some nonsense =_=
And in my opinion, Sam is more right in this situation than Dean was at the beginning of the fifth season, when he said exactly the same thing: "I don't trust you." Sam then trusted Ruby himself, it was his choice and his right. Yes, as a result it turned out that he made a mistake, but it was his decision that he made for himself. And Dean knew perfectly well what Sam was going to do and why, he just didn't agree. Here Dean made the decision FOR Sam, he tricked him. Sam trusted him, and Dean took advantage of that trust. The only thing that's strange to me is that Sam thinks Dean has somehow changed - imho, he's always been a stubborn egoist who doesn't count with anyone. This doesn't mean that I don't understand Dean's actions, but I understand Sam more here than Dean did in the Ruby situation.
@hirondelle_: Dean has an older brother complex, he has been "trained" all his life to take care of Sam. For him, life without a brother is like life without meaning. Sam has a younger brother complex: they decide everything for me, so I'll freeze my ears off on occasion. On the one hand, it also pisses me off when they decide for me, and then someone else was allowed into your body - as there is violence. On the other hand, since he agreed with his brother to live first in the church, then trusted in a coma – be consistent – live and trust. Dean chose a dubious method, but no one offered a better one. 🤷♀️
Gaaart, what happened to you... : ( I liked it better when he was like Bobby. And the episodes with him were somehow more fun, but here it's just some kind of melancholy.
And I think this series is very sweet. And the niceties add to Garth's relationship with his wife. And it is clear that he is genuinely happy, and that he is ashamed in front of Sam and Dean. And hugs with Garth add a separate sweetness, after all, the brothers love him, albeit in their own way.
Damn, I don't want Garth to be a werewolf (or at least some kind of monster). Most likely, we will not see him anymore (This is not racism towards monsters), but Garth is one of the most beloved Persians, and of course I would like him to be a man and hunt with his brothers.
- he is terribly thin and handsome like Koshchei. Ahaha, well, you can't say it more precisely)) It's especially funny to hear this from Sam) Even though Garth became a werewolf, I'm glad for him, he found his place and love, a place where he is appreciated and accepted into the family. - shut your mouth and come here - Really? - rather, before I change my mind Damn, it's like a balm for the soul. Garth's look showed how worried he was and how important it was for him to be understood and accepted for who he is. About Dean and Sam, well, what can you say there are many more seasons ahead, I think we will see similar dialogue and scenes and situations more than once, that's what the series is based on.
Well, now it's Sam's turn not to trust Dean. They take it in turns.
Garth is a werewolf?!?! He's so quiet, calm, forgettable. I can't imagine him being a werewolf, of course. It's good that at least I found peaceful werewolves. Well, almost all of them.
I perfectly understand the audience who are booing at Sam, but I also understand Sam at the same time. In that house, he was ready to die, he was calm, he made a decision, and here Dean deliberately deceives him, deliberately betrays him (I understand Dean perfectly and I'm not angry at him at all). And I think Sam could have survived even that if it hadn't been for Kevin's death. Here is the fact that Sam killed a comrade with his own hands (even if he was controlled by an angel) it affects the relationship of the brothers so much.
Dean, why are you humiliating yourself so much in front of this ungrateful selfish brute in the end? Well, he obviously doesn't care about you. What a blessing that I haven't knelt down yet, I haven't beaten my forehead and I haven't kissed my legs. Otherwise, suddenly it would have worked and Sam would have started appreciating you.
Sam's "I can't trust you!" deserves a hit on his huge bitchface. No, is he serious? So after his business with Ruby, he immediately wanted Dean to accept and trust him. Dean did it, and then Sam threw him a tantrum at 5.05 Fallen Idols. And now what? Sam, you refused to take the test YOURSELF, you made the decision to accept help at 9.01 and did not ask about her character YOURSELF. Stop putting it on Dean. Put on your Big Boy's Pants already.
"But something's broken here, Dean."Really?? Sam, wasn't anything broken when you almost killed your brother to go with a demon to arrange the end of the world?? Or when you humiliated Dean for the whole of season 4 after his mental trauma, which he received because of Hell, which, by the way, he got into saving your hypocritical self-satisfied skin.
And the writers really wanted me to sing odes to Sam here? Yes, Sam has become one of the most despised protagonists because of his actions, especially last season and because of what is pouring out of his mouth in this (especially in the next episode).
It's hard to watch Sam's vile pathetic speeches, as well as his smug face, without nausea!!! THIS is the episode after which I HATED Sam and I'm not ashamed to admit it. Yes, I hate him. When I watched the series for the 1st time, a persistent antipathy began from the 4th season, but hatred began with this series, which increased 1,000,000 times after the next one. THAT'S IT! Sam Winchester died for me at that moment as a character, until the final episode I couldn't change my attitude towards him, I won't try anymore! Also, of course, I really don't like how Dean humiliates himself in front of this ungrateful brute, to be honest, it just pisses me off. Dean is ABSOLUTELY NOT TO BLAME FOR ANYTHING in front of this creeping creep!!! I'm only to blame for giving up a normal life when I was still a teenager and remained the bodyguard and tutor of this overgrown infantile!
@id386471659: Here's another moment that was the most terrible in this series - here's all this crap about "We shouldn't be brothers anymore..." I.e. Dean, who raised this beloved brother, replaced both his father and mother, basically ruined his life for him, hears that they shouldn't be brothers. It's SUCH a hard emotional blow for Dean. In fact, that's the worst thing Sam could ever say to Dean. At least, that's what I thought until I saw the next episode, where everything is even scarier.
As for Sam's infantilism, it's quite difficult for me to understand whether he really has all this infantilism or whether he's just a very good manipulator.
@KatrinVamp: it turns out that they were left without. It seems that the actor who played Garth had some problems with the schedule and he could no longer find time for this series.
Oh, again this topic with trust and distrust 🙄 there is not much to add, everyone has already said above, I agree with many It remains to wait for this song to end.... And it will start all over again 👍🏻
What a nasty scene at the end. Dean is humiliating himself again, blaming himself for everything, and Sammy is a saint. Dean does not have to apologize to this complete scum, who unfortunately turned out to be his brother. And again, Sam is standing with that trademark smug face that his hands are itching to smash so that no doctor will collect it later. About trust issues, well, it's just like Sam to forget about his own shit, but at the same time blame Dean for all the sins. I don't understand why Dean is asking Sam to reunite. Dean was doing fine on his own. Dean doesn't need Sam. Did Dean really have no sense of self-worth left at all? And why did Sam agree? Why did Sam decide to be in the same place with Dean, whom he hates so much? Naturally, everything should be according to Sam's rules now. Sam, maybe you can also make Dean pay for living in the bunker, huh? I wouldn't be surprised anymore. An interesting conversation between Garth and Dean, where Dean told him that Garth had found something here and that he should not let it go otherwise he would never ask for it. I guess Dean here remembered his chance with Sonny, which he turned down. Apparently Dean regrets the wrong choice he made many years ago.
@79Warrior: And there is no reason for these two to be together. Just none, except that the writers need them to be together. This is repeated from time to time. They start this brotherly melodrama, give Sam these nasty speeches, and then use Dean to reunite them. Copy and Paste. That was the case in season 5 (Julie Siege, who wrote Fallen Idols, probably still hiccups), and so it is here. The only exception that comes to mind is in season 7 at 7.07, when Dean was allowed to tell Sam everything about this Amy, tell Sam to "stop being a bitch", and then Sam himself wanted to return to Dean. But that episode was written by new writers and oh, surprise, it was their first and last script.
"I was gone for only 2 weeks, and you managed to get knocked up"
xDDDDD
I have had:
-- when he left my body, he left a part of his grace.
-- Yeah... It sounds kind of ambiguous...
to reconsider)
But in general, yes, they picked up on an empty place to quarrel.
The last episode about Dean and Crowley working together, the mark and the dagger of Cain, was on top. The next episode is also very cool (I hope my subjective assessment that it's cool is not a spoiler for anyone)
, as if he had never done anything secretly from his brother
and did much worse things
And Dean did everything for Sam, and that's all, and now he's taking it from him.
Also his phrase: How can I trust you after that?
Dean had to answer: I was able to forgive you the apocalypse and Ruby, why can't you forgive me?
Sam has a younger brother complex: they decide everything for me, so I'll freeze my ears off on occasion.
On the one hand, it also pisses me off when they decide for me, and then someone else was allowed into your body - as there is violence. On the other hand, since he agreed with his brother to live first in the church, then trusted in a coma – be consistent – live and trust. Dean chose a dubious method, but no one offered a better one. 🤷♀️
- by the smell, what else?
😂
That's a couple
I liked it better when he was like Bobby. And the episodes with him were somehow more fun, but here it's just some kind of melancholy.
And hugs with Garth add a separate sweetness, after all, the brothers love him, albeit in their own way.
Ahaha, well, you can't say it more precisely)) It's especially funny to hear this from Sam)
Even though Garth became a werewolf, I'm glad for him, he found his place and love, a place where he is appreciated and accepted into the family.
- shut your mouth and come here
- Really?
- rather, before I change my mind
Damn, it's like a balm for the soul. Garth's look showed how worried he was and how important it was for him to be understood and accepted for who he is.
About Dean and Sam, well, what can you say there are many more seasons ahead, I think we will see similar dialogue and scenes and situations more than once, that's what the series is based on.
Garth is a werewolf?!?! He's so quiet, calm, forgettable. I can't imagine him being a werewolf, of course. It's good that at least I found peaceful werewolves. Well, almost all of them.
Sam's "I can't trust you!" deserves a hit on his huge bitchface. No, is he serious? So after his business with Ruby, he immediately wanted Dean to accept and trust him. Dean did it, and then Sam threw him a tantrum at 5.05 Fallen Idols. And now what? Sam, you refused to take the test YOURSELF, you made the decision to accept help at 9.01 and did not ask about her character YOURSELF. Stop putting it on Dean. Put on your Big Boy's Pants already.
"But something's broken here, Dean."Really?? Sam, wasn't anything broken when you almost killed your brother to go with a demon to arrange the end of the world?? Or when you humiliated Dean for the whole of season 4 after his mental trauma, which he received because of Hell, which, by the way, he got into saving your hypocritical self-satisfied skin.
And the writers really wanted me to sing odes to Sam here? Yes, Sam has become one of the most despised protagonists because of his actions, especially last season and because of what is pouring out of his mouth in this (especially in the next episode).
As for Sam's infantilism, it's quite difficult for me to understand whether he really has all this infantilism or whether he's just a very good manipulator.
And what, the hunters were left without a coordinator again?
It remains to wait for this song to end.... And it will start all over again 👍🏻
And again, Sam is standing with that trademark smug face that his hands are itching to smash so that no doctor will collect it later.
About trust issues, well, it's just like Sam to forget about his own shit, but at the same time blame Dean for all the sins.
I don't understand why Dean is asking Sam to reunite. Dean was doing fine on his own. Dean doesn't need Sam. Did Dean really have no sense of self-worth left at all?
And why did Sam agree? Why did Sam decide to be in the same place with Dean, whom he hates so much?
Naturally, everything should be according to Sam's rules now. Sam, maybe you can also make Dean pay for living in the bunker, huh? I wouldn't be surprised anymore.
An interesting conversation between Garth and Dean, where Dean told him that Garth had found something here and that he should not let it go otherwise he would never ask for it. I guess Dean here remembered his chance with Sonny, which he turned down. Apparently Dean regrets the wrong choice he made many years ago.
The only exception that comes to mind is in season 7 at 7.07, when Dean was allowed to tell Sam everything about this Amy, tell Sam to "stop being a bitch", and then Sam himself wanted to return to Dean. But that episode was written by new writers and oh, surprise, it was their first and last script.