Oh, how glad I am to see Syumbul! I didn't expect it, I thought we'd never see him again. Well, he is so bored and Hurrem was so glad, maybe he will also return to the palace! Hurrem really got attached to him, so she even came as a friend, whom she had never had. The episode with coffee is funny, but it amused me that once again all the laurels were attributed to Hurrem, even coffee ones) Oh, Selim...Well, I just don't have the words. Will he do decent things at all, why is he so far away in all respects, and? By the way, why did Hurrem find the young lady Selima, but did not send anyone with Bayazed? And on the other hand, why is Lala Bayazeda with him all the time, Lala Mustafa was there before and is now occasionally mentioned, and Selim is always hanging out with one aga and haznedar?
@nens8_8y: This is the solution suggested to Nurban, of course, it is. And such a wayward and unworthy person is put on the throne! In general, who has brains there? After that, listen and believe Hurrem's words that she cares about the future of the dynasty? It's just ridiculous. Selfish petty interests, puts the incompetent Rustem in office and protects him, puts Selim on the throne - a drunkard and a weakling, a vile murderer, betrays his daughter and all for himself, for the sake of his influence. She was no better than those whom she tormented with her supposedly "copious" reproaches. Worse! It's just amazing why no one even verbally eats it. Ah! How I applauded Hurijihan, how she rebuffed Hurrem, and. However, later she horrified me, she seemed such a decent girl, but such a traitor. My first thought was that this would ruin her relationship with Bayazed, he would not forgive her, it was in vain...Well, even if she had gone to Beihan, couldn't he have picked her up from there if he wanted to? How I miss Ibrahim, although arrogant, he was still an excellent military leader and was more useful to the dynasty and empire than the selfish Hurrem and her hangers-on Rustem.
It is even very surprising and improbable to me now that Hurrem could feel sorry for Syumbul like that and let him go...She does not regret her own daughter and does not want to understand. I don't even see sympathy, understanding, warm compassion in her eyes, only one dissatisfaction that she was disobeyed. I am so outraged by this situation between Mihrimah and Hurrem. I hope, I just long for Mihrimah to have the strength to defy her mother, despite the information about the author of the letter. After all, the problem is not in the letter, she never loved Rustem and Fatma's words about the fact that life is passing by do not lose their relevance, even if Fatma herself did not act well. I didn't like Sultan very much either, at first he seemed to understand the light of his eyes, and then he was boring again - you were in a hurry, you need to think, well, here's the price of loving your daughter, as well as your sister, however... So little by little the sultan disappoints me too.
@nens8_8y: Bayazed does not need a woman to look after and guide him, he is independent and strong, unlike Selim. Besides, he already has two children and their mother. Lala Bayazeda is just more clingy :D
@Sehnsucht: Well, Sultan and Hurrem don't know about half of Selim's actions, or they know, but it's very late. And so where to put him, dynasty by dynasty, and he's also a son. I don't think Rustem is incompetent. Yes, he does not have the same influence and respect in society as Ibrahim, well, that's because the Sultan does not treat him like Ibrahim. I'm sure if he carried Rustem like that in his arms, then everyone would have crept in front of Rustem and dared not say a word. As it is, he has not lost his head for as long as he has been on duty, which is very important. And he did as many nasty things as Ibrahim, no more and no less. Both in the state plan and in the human one.
Firstly, it is foolish to rely on Bayazed himself when you can lay straws. Moreover, in the position of Hurrem, especially with the character of Hurrem, who seeks to control everything. Secondly, Bayazed could use help with something else, he is too independent, always poking into everything and getting into trouble. And that's where the guidance would be just right for him. And the mother of the children is not suitable for this, she has no influence on Bayazed. Although Hurrem could have attracted her to his side if she had been suitable. Your people will not be superfluous. After all, Mehmet has already been killed, how can you hope for a chance and not send anyone with another son?
Wow, Fatma has finished playing! First, she ran to tell the sultan everything, Hurrem crossed the road (Jihangir is so wise, so wise, but he didn't think to talk with his tongue), and then another letter, Mihrimah is also angry at her. I just wonder which of the two of them will smear her first) And on top of everything else, she also got involved with a man, but not a simple one - the Persian shehzade. She put all the cards in her hands. All these heartwarming conversations with Mihrimah, of course...Suleiman is so kind and understanding, and all these years you didn't know anything, right? When he married his daughter to an old man as a girl, did he really think that she would love him with all her heart and be happy? Everyone is so surprised now, huh. But when Rustem handed over the seal with trembling hands, I almost cried, really. I felt so terribly sorry for him...He has no understanding from the Sultan, and even threats, although for what? And Mihrimah, too. Well, if you want to get a divorce, fine, get a divorce. But why make such a complicated face, why be rude? I would say it's okay: It's not your fault, I'm sorry about what happened. After all, he never said a bad word, why show off? Yes, unloved. Well, Hatice Won had a lover, for example, it brought her a lot of happiness. Although I think now that Fatma has insulted her so much, she will change her mind about divorcing everyone for evil. Bali Bey was remembered again...Does this mean that something is shining for us and we will see him again...?))) Bliiiin, and I forgot about it...It got to me when Bayazed reminded Khurijihan who they were married to. A bad girl... what I didn't really understand about the Sultan's illness. Does he have Ibrahim's poisoned notebook? Or was it just a coincidence? And why did he throw it away? (you could have thrown a real notebook instead of drawing))
@nens8_8y: What are you doing, Fatma, I just screamed! Well, you can't do it now, you can't mess with this guy in any way. (((He will lose everything for a couple of hours. Well, damn, how can you not understand this!
Rustem almost raised his hand at her, so it's clear what Mihrimah is like. He's angry and she sees it. He doesn't believe her, and it's insulting. She feels his character and his nastiness, to put it bluntly, no love can smear. When he sat so sad, when he handed over the seal, something stirred in my soul, but then - no, I don't feel sorry for him, a cruel calculating man, even love is not a joy from this. Mihrimah, although she is also not a super decent person, was drawn to the most worthy Bali Bey, could she not see what a step down after that Rustem?
Bah! After all, there was a poisoned notebook, I completely forgot about this fact. But after all, Khurijihan was holding it in her hands, probably this is not the one. But every time I melt and grieve in my soul when the sultan has the ghost of Ibrahim in his head. (((
I'm very sorry for Mustafa, but damn.... That's where he's to blame, like Ibrahim in those words about the tamer. At the moment when there was a moment of complete trust between him and the sultan, it was necessary to confess... (by the way, what was the emotional and warm scene of Suleiman and Mustafa's promises, ah). Because well, it really looks like a sneaky deception. (I understand the Sultan's feelings. Yes, it's a little funny that at such an age, at that time and in his position, he is allegedly occupied by such "feminine" experiences, but.... It was shot beautifully and clearly. This bitterness of a deceived person resonates in me. Another thing is that, after all, you can not draw conclusions for life. It's a shame! Only everything went well with Mustafa's daring escapade and here you are. And I also really liked the scene when the head of the Janissaries suddenly bowed to Mustafa and let him into the capital. And how I hate Rustem for his dastardly collusion with the Persian prince. The Hurrem was fenced off again. The only good thing is that Suleiman is still cold and reserved towards her. Oh, I dumped everything in a pile, sorry. :)
@Sehnsucht: I don't know, it always touches me very much when people are not very good in all respects, sincerely love someone, from the bottom of their hearts and really never do anything to harm a loved one. Not like Hurrem, who loves the Sultan, tried to kill his mother, sisters, son, best friend, beloved women...Well, it's like some kind of ninja, cuts out everyone, crumbles into cabbage. But for real. And Rustem is just one of those. No matter how much he valued money, power, influence, but he always stopped before the good of Mihrimah, she had never heard a bad word from him in her whole life. And chukhnya is all that she feels his nastiness, she is disgusting herself, and her father, and her mother, and her brother, and practically everyone in this series did what a normal person would be ashamed of all his life. But when you've been carried in your arms for decades, even if that's not what you wanted, but you watch how a person suffers and does not know happiness, who needs to be in order not to sympathize with him a little and not feel guilty, but on the contrary, still be angry at him, accuse and do nasty things to him?
@nens8_8y: Yes, it sometimes touches me too, but for some reason this is not the case here. Either Rustem is too nasty an actor, or there are few good actions from Rustem, but it doesn't seem to me that his love is so sincere. He married Mihrimah somehow ugly, he was in no hurry to win her heart with his actions. When he was angry, he was aggressive and it was obvious that he could raise his hand against her. When she took a step towards him, he didn't even notice him. I feel a little sorry for him when he says that he does not need the post without her love, but his attitude towards Mihrimah is so selfish and deeply possessive, he is like Hurrem, who supposedly wants to live in peace and tranquility, only unleashes one war after another. It looks very much like, on the one hand, he dreams of quiet family happiness, on the other - somehow he does not match his picture. Rustem's lack of happiness looks like a very logical consequence of his nature. Mihrimah didn't do anything nasty to him either) She wanted a divorce. And she clearly explained to him that things had never been right between them. He should have understood what he was doing initially, knowing that the girl did not love him, did not want him, and nevertheless, taking her as his wife. He never tried to give Mihrimah some kind of fun and simple attention and care, he has a gloomy face and tension, he is all intrigues and serving Hurrem, perhaps he himself was trapped...But I don't feel sorry for him.
@Sehnsucht: I didn't think about it in the series, but after the extras I really liked the actor, he is so charming and with an amazing sense of humor))) It was visible or not visible - this is speculation, I did not raise it. I wanted to, but I didn't say it normally, humanly, from the very beginning I didn't say it. I immediately started with a hit-and-run, but for what? And about understanding - another time and mentality, I'm not sure at all that it would be a good sign and a plus for a girl if her husband knew that she loves him and wants to marry him, and not just a good girl and wants to marry someone they say, because you need to want to get married and Dad knows better.
It's a sad comical picture of Hurrem running between these hysterics and persuading them all to take turns being more reasonable. Such a smart Jihangir took and framed everyone like that, telling Fatma about the divorce :/ Fatma is disgusting, I hope Mihrimah will hit her hard.
Exactly.... I also forgot that the notebook was poisoned once. Didn't it come out then? Xumbul and coffee!!! Two beloved beautiful creatures! I was touched like a fool))) Damn Fatma! At least they would have taken her out of this meeting and kicked her out! Rustem... with the seal, the scene is already painful.
And it's so touching when it's about history. The beginning of the construction of the Suleymaniye Mosque. And she's been standing ever since and we've been admiring her! Talking about being remembered. Did Suleiman the Magnificent think that in 500 years we would be watching a movie about him? I didn't even know the word "cinema". And that's how interesting everything is in this life.
Искренне надеюсь, что гадюка Фатьма получит по заслугам, а Михримах останется с Рустемом, мне его так жаль🙏😭😞💔 и когда уже, кстати говоря, Сулейман снова вспомнит о Хюррем, то жить без неё не может, то какую то фигню забыть не может уже дохера времени🤦♀️ вон, она когда то избила Хатидже до полусмерти и он узнал об этом, и ничо, посидела немного в Эдирне и снова ей стихи о любви читал🤣👍 а чем щас хуже?😑 А за Селима сейчас я рада)) Да, он поступил правильно, и да, тогда были такие времена - хочешь жить = забудь о морали, если ты конечно не султан, которому можно всё. Поэтому и выкручивались как могли. Тот торговец по роже вообще падла, было же видно, что очень алчный и жадный, хочет денег и будет дальше просить, шантажируя и управляя шехзаде под угрозой "расскажу кадию", поэтому по-моему мнению, это самый лучший и безопасный (для последствий) выход из такой ситуации, хоть и жестокий, думаю, если бы я была на месте Селима, поступила бы так же🤷♀️ торговец в чем то и сам виноват - ибо не нужно быть "абьюзером" с шатажем, и заставлять кого-то делать что-либо,насильно "управлять" им - особенно в то время, и особенно с шехзаде, и ТАКЖЕ особенно, если тебе уже отплатили свою вину😉👌
Искренне надеюсь, что гадюка Фатьма получит по заслугам, а Михримах останется с Рустемом, мне его так жаль🙏😭😞💔 и когда уже, кстати говоря, Сулейман снова вспомнит о Хюррем, то жить без неё не может, то какую то фигню забыть не может уже дохера времени🤦♀️ вон, она когда то избила Хатидже до полусмерти и он узнал об этом, и ничо, посидела немного в Эдирне и снова ей стихи о любви читал🤣👍 а чем щас хуже?😑 А за Селима сейчас я рада)) Да, он поступил правильно, и да, тогда были такие времена - хочешь жить = забудь о морали, если ты конечно не султан, которому можно всё. Поэтому и выкручивались как могли😶 Тот торговец по роже вообще падла, было же видно, что очень алчный и жадный, хочет денег и будет дальше просить, шантажируя и управляя шехзаде под угрозой "расскажу кадию", поэтому по-моему мнению, это самый лучший и безопасный (для последствий) выход из такой ситуации, хоть и жестокий, думаю, если бы я была на месте Селима, поступила бы так же🤷♀️ торговец в чем то и сам виноват - ибо не нужно быть "абьюзером" с шатажем, и заставлять кого-то делать что-либо,насильно "управлять" - особенно в то время, и особенно с шехзаде, и ТАКЖЕ особенно, если тебе уже отплатили свою вину😉👌 Бл#ть, у#бищные комментарии:Конечно, можно забирать про мораль и справедливость, и все такое в этом роде, но смотря этот сериал, понимаешь, что в то время без правильных приоритетов и железного стержня было очень сложно выжить.У почти всех рабов и слуг дворца было тяжёлое детство, когда смотришь на это, кем они стали - понимаешь, что почти все, кто занимает более-менее хорошие посты,к чему мнению могут прислушаться или кто управляет кем то, добились всего что они имеют прежде всего из-за отсутствия понятия "добра" или "справедливость" и с твёрдыми намерениями, уверенностью и упертостью для достижения амбиций.И это касается прежде всего как и Рустема,так и Хюррем и прочих, в отличие от той же "династии",родившийся в роскоши и изобилии...😔
В чем прикол выкидать вот так тетрадь 🤦♀️ Один раз так уже выкинули с балкона, что тоже было тупо. Тут тоже бессмысленно: ты хочешь чтобы эта тетрадь исчезла? брось в камин, он ближе даже к тебе, нет, надо кинуть куда-то в комнате, чтобы потом слуги такие О, тетрадь валяется, нужно положить на место 🤷♀️
Уфф, Суслика совесть мучает, аж корежится весь, когда дневник Ибрагима читает! И как же мне нравится это незримое присутствие Ибрагима во дворце, как слышу его голос, прямо таю. Несмотря ни на что Ибрагим всегда будет моим любимым персонажем в этом сериале! А Суслику так и надо, пусть мучается, то ли ещё будет!!!
The episode with coffee is funny, but it amused me that once again all the laurels were attributed to Hurrem, even coffee ones)
Oh, Selim...Well, I just don't have the words. Will he do decent things at all, why is he so far away in all respects, and? By the way, why did Hurrem find the young lady Selima, but did not send anyone with Bayazed? And on the other hand, why is Lala Bayazeda with him all the time, Lala Mustafa was there before and is now occasionally mentioned, and Selim is always hanging out with one aga and haznedar?
I am sure that Syumbul will come back to us now.
How I miss Ibrahim, although arrogant, he was still an excellent military leader and was more useful to the dynasty and empire than the selfish Hurrem and her hangers-on Rustem.
It is even very surprising and improbable to me now that Hurrem could feel sorry for Syumbul like that and let him go...She does not regret her own daughter and does not want to understand. I don't even see sympathy, understanding, warm compassion in her eyes, only one dissatisfaction that she was disobeyed. I am so outraged by this situation between Mihrimah and Hurrem. I hope, I just long for Mihrimah to have the strength to defy her mother, despite the information about the author of the letter. After all, the problem is not in the letter, she never loved Rustem and Fatma's words about the fact that life is passing by do not lose their relevance, even if Fatma herself did not act well.
I didn't like Sultan very much either, at first he seemed to understand the light of his eyes, and then he was boring again - you were in a hurry, you need to think, well, here's the price of loving your daughter, as well as your sister, however... So little by little the sultan disappoints me too.
Lala Bayazeda is just more clingy :D
I don't think Rustem is incompetent. Yes, he does not have the same influence and respect in society as Ibrahim, well, that's because the Sultan does not treat him like Ibrahim. I'm sure if he carried Rustem like that in his arms, then everyone would have crept in front of Rustem and dared not say a word. As it is, he has not lost his head for as long as he has been on duty, which is very important. And he did as many nasty things as Ibrahim, no more and no less. Both in the state plan and in the human one.
Firstly, it is foolish to rely on Bayazed himself when you can lay straws. Moreover, in the position of Hurrem, especially with the character of Hurrem, who seeks to control everything. Secondly, Bayazed could use help with something else, he is too independent, always poking into everything and getting into trouble. And that's where the guidance would be just right for him. And the mother of the children is not suitable for this, she has no influence on Bayazed. Although Hurrem could have attracted her to his side if she had been suitable. Your people will not be superfluous. After all, Mehmet has already been killed, how can you hope for a chance and not send anyone with another son?
All these heartwarming conversations with Mihrimah, of course...Suleiman is so kind and understanding, and all these years you didn't know anything, right? When he married his daughter to an old man as a girl, did he really think that she would love him with all her heart and be happy? Everyone is so surprised now, huh.
But when Rustem handed over the seal with trembling hands, I almost cried, really. I felt so terribly sorry for him...He has no understanding from the Sultan, and even threats, although for what? And Mihrimah, too. Well, if you want to get a divorce, fine, get a divorce. But why make such a complicated face, why be rude? I would say it's okay: It's not your fault, I'm sorry about what happened. After all, he never said a bad word, why show off? Yes, unloved. Well, Hatice Won had a lover, for example, it brought her a lot of happiness. Although I think now that Fatma has insulted her so much, she will change her mind about divorcing everyone for evil.
Bali Bey was remembered again...Does this mean that something is shining for us and we will see him again...?)))
Bliiiin, and I forgot about it...It got to me when Bayazed reminded Khurijihan who they were married to. A bad girl...
what I didn't really understand about the Sultan's illness. Does he have Ibrahim's poisoned notebook? Or was it just a coincidence? And why did he throw it away? (you could have thrown a real notebook instead of drawing))
Rustem almost raised his hand at her, so it's clear what Mihrimah is like. He's angry and she sees it. He doesn't believe her, and it's insulting. She feels his character and his nastiness, to put it bluntly, no love can smear.
When he sat so sad, when he handed over the seal, something stirred in my soul, but then - no, I don't feel sorry for him, a cruel calculating man, even love is not a joy from this. Mihrimah, although she is also not a super decent person, was drawn to the most worthy Bali Bey, could she not see what a step down after that Rustem?
Bah! After all, there was a poisoned notebook, I completely forgot about this fact. But after all, Khurijihan was holding it in her hands, probably this is not the one.
But every time I melt and grieve in my soul when the sultan has the ghost of Ibrahim in his head. (((
I'm very sorry for Mustafa, but damn.... That's where he's to blame, like Ibrahim in those words about the tamer. At the moment when there was a moment of complete trust between him and the sultan, it was necessary to confess... (by the way, what was the emotional and warm scene of Suleiman and Mustafa's promises, ah). Because well, it really looks like a sneaky deception. (I understand the Sultan's feelings. Yes, it's a little funny that at such an age, at that time and in his position, he is allegedly occupied by such "feminine" experiences, but.... It was shot beautifully and clearly. This bitterness of a deceived person resonates in me. Another thing is that, after all, you can not draw conclusions for life.
It's a shame! Only everything went well with Mustafa's daring escapade and here you are. And I also really liked the scene when the head of the Janissaries suddenly bowed to Mustafa and let him into the capital.
And how I hate Rustem for his dastardly collusion with the Persian prince. The Hurrem was fenced off again. The only good thing is that Suleiman is still cold and reserved towards her.
Oh, I dumped everything in a pile, sorry. :)
Mihrimah didn't do anything nasty to him either) She wanted a divorce. And she clearly explained to him that things had never been right between them. He should have understood what he was doing initially, knowing that the girl did not love him, did not want him, and nevertheless, taking her as his wife. He never tried to give Mihrimah some kind of fun and simple attention and care, he has a gloomy face and tension, he is all intrigues and serving Hurrem, perhaps he himself was trapped...But I don't feel sorry for him.
It was visible or not visible - this is speculation, I did not raise it.
I wanted to, but I didn't say it normally, humanly, from the very beginning I didn't say it. I immediately started with a hit-and-run, but for what?
And about understanding - another time and mentality, I'm not sure at all that it would be a good sign and a plus for a girl if her husband knew that she loves him and wants to marry him, and not just a good girl and wants to marry someone they say, because you need to want to get married and Dad knows better.
Such a smart Jihangir took and framed everyone like that, telling Fatma about the divorce :/
Fatma is disgusting, I hope Mihrimah will hit her hard.
Xumbul and coffee!!! Two beloved beautiful creatures! I was touched like a fool)))
Damn Fatma! At least they would have taken her out of this meeting and kicked her out!
Rustem... with the seal, the scene is already painful.
And it's so touching when it's about history. The beginning of the construction of the Suleymaniye Mosque. And she's been standing ever since and we've been admiring her!
Talking about being remembered. Did Suleiman the Magnificent think that in 500 years we would be watching a movie about him? I didn't even know the word "cinema". And that's how interesting everything is in this life.
А за Селима сейчас я рада)) Да, он поступил правильно, и да, тогда были такие времена - хочешь жить = забудь о морали, если ты конечно не султан, которому можно всё. Поэтому и выкручивались как могли. Тот торговец по роже вообще падла, было же видно, что очень алчный и жадный, хочет денег и будет дальше просить, шантажируя и управляя шехзаде под угрозой "расскажу кадию", поэтому по-моему мнению, это самый лучший и безопасный (для последствий) выход из такой ситуации, хоть и жестокий, думаю, если бы я была на месте Селима, поступила бы так же🤷♀️ торговец в чем то и сам виноват - ибо не нужно быть "абьюзером" с шатажем, и заставлять кого-то делать что-либо,насильно "управлять" им - особенно в то время, и особенно с шехзаде, и ТАКЖЕ особенно, если тебе уже отплатили свою вину😉👌
А за Селима сейчас я рада)) Да, он поступил правильно, и да, тогда были такие времена - хочешь жить = забудь о морали, если ты конечно не султан, которому можно всё. Поэтому и выкручивались как могли😶 Тот торговец по роже вообще падла, было же видно, что очень алчный и жадный, хочет денег и будет дальше просить, шантажируя и управляя шехзаде под угрозой "расскажу кадию", поэтому по-моему мнению, это самый лучший и безопасный (для последствий) выход из такой ситуации, хоть и жестокий, думаю, если бы я была на месте Селима, поступила бы так же🤷♀️ торговец в чем то и сам виноват - ибо не нужно быть "абьюзером" с шатажем, и заставлять кого-то делать что-либо,насильно "управлять" - особенно в то время, и особенно с шехзаде, и ТАКЖЕ особенно, если тебе уже отплатили свою вину😉👌
Бл#ть, у#бищные комментарии:Конечно, можно забирать про мораль и справедливость, и все такое в этом роде, но смотря этот сериал, понимаешь, что в то время без правильных приоритетов и железного стержня было очень сложно выжить.У почти всех рабов и слуг дворца было тяжёлое детство, когда смотришь на это, кем они стали - понимаешь, что почти все, кто занимает более-менее хорошие посты,к чему мнению могут прислушаться или кто управляет кем то, добились всего что они имеют прежде всего из-за отсутствия понятия "добра" или "справедливость" и с твёрдыми намерениями, уверенностью и упертостью для достижения амбиций.И это касается прежде всего как и Рустема,так и Хюррем и прочих, в отличие от той же "династии",родившийся в роскоши и изобилии...😔