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s02e15 — Paradise

Star Trek: Deep Space Nine — s02e15 — Paradise

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Release Date: 14.02.1994 07:00
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2 season
s02e15
s02e11 - Rivals
s02e12 - The Alternate
s02e13 - Armageddon Game
s02e14 - Whispers
s02e15 - Paradise
s02e16 - Shadowplay
s02e17 - Playing God
s02e18 - Profit and Loss
s02e19 - Blood Oath

Discussion: Season 2, Episode 15
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xmblpb
xmblpb
29 Apr 2016, 09:08 #
This lady wanted to drag in the whole episode. What a disgusting woman.
arespofigist
arespofigist
26 Nov 2016, 06:43 #
I agree. People who are so fanatically obsessed with their ideas are very annoying.
Well, she liked it, and she would have lived alone. So no, we need to get everyone under control. I didn't like the ending at all. I'd rather be a clerk in 4 walls than sitting in an isolation box for a candle. It's strange that they all agreed to stay.
flart
flart
24 Apr 2017, 03:15 #
@arespofigist: She wouldn't have survived on her own. Yes, and she needs to "bend everyone under her."
In general, it's not a problem to create a group in their society that would voluntarily want to downshift and go to an uninhabited planet. And it seems that TNG had such series.

I liked the kids at the end, looking lonely at a missed opportunity and who don't know if they need it all.
eman-on
eman-on
27 May 2017, 16:21 #
Yes, Madama is one of them. I immediately think of Umbridge and others like her.
In general, it rarely happens that you bite your elbows as you want to be transported to the world on the screen in order to beat someone.
Lepestok
Lepestok
16 Aug 2017, 16:12 #
If everyone stood in solidarity with Alexis, why was she taken away? I don't think there's anything to put her in jail for. So in a couple of months she will be able to return to her colony.
userX32
userX32
PRO
26 Dec 2017, 05:16 #
@Lepestok: What's that for?
She is accused of murdering those who died of illnesses.
Dvoreckii
Dvoreckii
07 Jan 2018, 14:19 #
@Lepestok: At the very least, sabotage on a Federation ship. I somehow didn't understand who she was before the crash, but if she was a ZF officer, then deliberately blocking the EM signal and refusing to rescue the crew and civilians was also probably a violation of Fleet regulations. Plus the deliberate abandonment of the sick.
hinarien
hinarien
10 Aug 2020, 03:55 #
@Dvoreckii: In a good way, she kidnapped these people. And yes, she did not provide help to the sick.
Basically, it's a sect organization.
L_Chloe
L_Chloe
08 Jan 2018, 15:57 #
Space rodnovers. Br...
MadFisher
MadFisher
28 Mar 2018, 20:22 #
Presumably, the box will not be empty in the sun even after Alexis leaves. People have already developed Stockholm syndrome to the fullest, they will still build a monument to her out of shit and branches and glorify all her precepts forever and ever.
I don't understand at all the Federation's indulgence in all kinds of aspirations for an old-fashioned wanker among its citizens and the savage traditions of every tribe I meet. It's clear that all these settlers should be taken en masse and forcibly dragged to psychiatrists, but no, they said they didn't want to, so we'll forget. I guess Alexis really has a lot of high-ranking like-minded people.
zloygik
zloygik
30 Jun 2020, 17:24 #
@MadFisher: This may be a variation on the theme of the first directive - if the community voluntarily returned to its primitive state, then the Federation no longer seems to have the moral right to interfere.
Shanno
Shanno
02 Apr 2018, 20:45 #
It seems to me that they will stay there until the very first regular troubles. It's one thing when you're sure there's no way out, but it's quite another when you know you can call for help. They will start dying of hunger or disease again, they will immediately make a transmitter out of bricks and they will yell "Federation, save-help!". Well, they are unlikely to keep the children there. In addition, the half-witted woman who was dripping on everyone's brains was fortunately taken away, so maybe there won't even be any need to wait for trouble, the community itself will fall apart without her.
Tummanharmaa
Tummanharmaa
11 Dec 2019, 02:24 #
There was a similar episode in TNG, only with the Klingons, and it turned out quite the opposite.
cherik-cherik
cherik-cherik
22 Jul 2020, 05:02 #
"I suffer so much myself, looking at you, I really want to give you water, but you understand that this is all for the common good," it seems to me that this is how they communicate in the Gestapo, and not in a peaceful paradise community. And after asking if she would have let her son die, it was worth asking if she would have died for such a good cause. Anyway, I didn't notice that the "everyone works to the maximum" rule applied to her: she doesn't sit in the box or work in the field, and it's kind of hypocritical.
It is very strange that after such a dictatorship, people decided to leave everything as it was, except that the Stockholm syndrome can explain it.
eligio
eligio
23 Aug 2020, 04:44 #
She should have been torn up in a good way. It's not even about the old victims, but about the latest one. She knew she could be saved. So it's murder. The desire to retain power is stupid. No wonder the emphasis was on the fact that she had prepared well. Okay. Maybe not all of them, but someone had to want to get out of there. At least a girl in a dress or a dude who was last in the cell for a candle. It's a little weird. But the plot of the series is interesting 👍
holyscreamer
holyscreamer
18 Nov 2023, 14:21 #
Why did I watch this episode on the day I decided to quit smoking?.. The ass burned incredibly brightly. In the end, I feel sorry for the children...
George_Forester
George_Forester
02 Sep 2024, 06:24 #
By this point, at least some drama had begun to appear in the series...
although it still falls short of TNG, TOS and ENT

The moral choice of the characters seems a little strange every time at the end
Regis-emiel
Regis-emiel
14 Jan 2025, 11:50 #
What a nasty woman.
There are people like that, sitting in corners like spiders, just waiting for an opportunity to take over their cave beliefs. they will get a piece of power and harass people.
Cisco has a strong will, of course.
However, they often make thoughtful decisions here in deep space. The sect is brainwashed, it's so easy to leave them. the only hope is that some people will slowly come to their senses.
Fungi_master
Fungi_master
09 Dec 2025, 05:17 #
Civilization may have its drawbacks, but to say that it contradicts human nature is such nonsense. You can live simply and still use medicines. So I subscribe to all the opinions above.
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