@ChandlerLi: she's just selfish, infantile, doesn't know what she wants from life. She will meet the perfect man for her. Also an asshole, but she doesn't need another one
What's going on? Junko disappointed me. "You're pretending to be a victim," "You've made mistakes too." What, excuse me, mistakes? Haven't been hanging around this asshole 24/7? Nana found a job and an apartment, and a "friend" says that these were her personal problems. Supposedly she wasn't thinking about Shoji!! Ah, poor, I felt unnecessary and stuck Sachiko. I was torn apart by indignation at this episode.
If you look at the situation not superficially, but analyze it more deeply at the level of innuendos, hints, feelings and general motivation in general, indeed, throughout all 14 episodes, you could clearly see how, in principle, Nana listens to no one but herself and generally behaves like a capricious child, making impulsive decisions, and then shifting others are responsible for the fact that everyone around them does not act as she wants. This in no way justifies Shoji's asshole act, we consider Nana as a separate person. They started their relationship without knowing each other at all, after only a couple of meetings, and met for a year, in fact, with an illusory image of a partner. When Nana came to Tokyo, they tried to build a relationship, but life, responsibilities to the future themselves, goals that need to throw all available resources... and each of them realized that the partner is not the one you imagined and met at a distance. Shoji was depressed for a while: "how is it, because I was going to marry Nana, and she annoys me?", he doubted for a long time, but then decided not to step on his throat and chose a girl who looks like Nana at the beginning of dating.
I understand that this is a shojo genre, but... what about the comments? Are you serious?Oh, I really want to believe that this whole bugurt is arranged by children, because if there are adult girls among the hysterical ones, then this is well...strange at least ( Well, you can't look at the situation so one-sidedly, Nana is far from a victim who was treated unfairly. Shoji's mistake is not that he cheated on Nanochka, who is such a pure and innocent soul, wanted to spend as much time with him as possible, invested in relationships like no one else, did not think about every man she met (and Nana hd) as an object of sexual desire in the presence of a living partner, who actually waited a year after her arrival, he offered to live together, and already she thought of something for herself and began to move away from him, along the way fapping at everyone she met and thinking "but how would I mess with him/her if there were no Shoji". It's not ok if you come up with such thoughts when you're dating someone! Yes, they hardly saw each other living in the same city, she called him just to whine, the point in such a relationship? Shoji's only flaw is that no one started messing with another girl without talking to Hachiko, but here that he, that she, no one was particularly interested in getting in touch, talking and solving their problems. Although in general their relationship with Nana and the relationship is not particularly similar, it is not surprising that he forgot himself hdd The only one I felt sorry for in this relationship was Sachiko. I hope that everything will be fine with Shoji, she is wonderful, and at least they have a connection, unlike his previous relationship. At least there are people here... Wow, they communicate! And if you condemn that Junko tells her what she thinks, and not just what Hachiko wants to hear, then what is the meaning of friendship for you at all? She had to deceive her, or maybe redraw her thinking to please this spoiled girl?
Why do friends who will just forever agree with you and will not be able to point out your shortcomings to you, you will not think about them and will step on the same rake again and again, considering themselves the navel of the earth to which everyone owes everything? Junko seems to be friends with Shoji, why should she interrupt her friendship with him and get angry at him in such an ambiguous situation? Your logic would still be somehow understandable if Nana really behaved normally. All of Nana's friends showed themselves very carefully, Junko also sponsored her with food when she had problems with work, did not treat her rudely after breaking up with Shoji, but said everything as it is, where you saw a shitty friend here is a mystery to me.
I almost tore up from this episode. On the one hand, I understand that it is difficult when you are friends with two sides of the conflict at the same time and sometimes it is necessary to choose which one to be on and that makes it even more difficult (I am in such a situation myself), the problems of friends, so to speak. On the other hand, Junko takes and tells Nana svetlenka that you yourself did not hold him, did not protect him, did not care!!! I mean, from the very beginning Shoji kept telling Nana svetlyonka: Look for a job, find an apartment, we won't be able to live together. I treated with disdain the situation when, upon arrival in Tokyo, after the first night, she stayed at home and did something around the house (cleaning, cooking) and this is apparently not enough to meet some high standards. However, there is a logical explanation for this, we, as viewers, stand out and know about these claims, and Junko, it seems, does not know, or does not fully know. In any case, the episode just knocked me out.
Fu, Shoji is such an asshole and a schmuck, he didn't even apologize, didn't talk to Nana. It's okay, if this was real life, Sachiko would still have a sip with him
Yes, Nana has problems with choosing men for relationships. But the way Sachiko presented it is terrible. "Love is built between two people. If you don't think about the second half, then you can forget about the future." What did Nana have to do? Running around a guy? I see in Shoji a person who needs someone eternally cheerful as a partner. He himself is not so good in this regard.
Junko disappointed in this series. Bream she wanted to plumb. Yes, Nana is not an ideal person. Yes, deep analysis and blah blah, as the commentators write above. But bl! Nana literally just got dumped by a guy! For whom she turned her life around! He cheated on her while in a relationship! At the same time, this amoeba did not mumble anything, did not defend a word of apology!! I wouldn't stop in Nana's place, but dragged him to the first number (and on the other hand, I don't want to get dirty in such a dermishche either). And in such a situation, the first thing a friend (Junko) needs to do is support her best friend (Nana)!!! And only then, when Nana survives the breakup, arrange psychoanalysis with deep insiders. In ahir with commentators. Everyone gathered so well-developed and perfect
@Sania_san: in general, Nana, though infantile, but she literally moved out of her parents a month ago and began the separation process. And, although there were many temptations around her, she remained faithful. And Shoji is an asshole. He acted like the last bastard. The fact that Junko mumbles "oh, he's also my friend" also puts her in a bad light, because how you can be friends with such assholes is a mystery to me.
Кто тут говорит, что Нана инфантильная и всё такое. А ничего, что она буквально недавно съехала от родителей и учится самостоятельной жизни? Наверное, тут каждый "проработанный и анализирующий" комментатор в 20 лет уже мешки только так ворочал, по 2 бизнеса имел, и в отношениях ошибок не делал. Сёдзи с самого начала вёл себя, как мудак. Обесценил то, что она хотела сделать ему приятное, когда осталась у него, прибралась и приготовила. Она пыталась с ним как-то общаться, но в основном он был заинтересован с ней только в сексе. Почему это должна быть игра в одни ворота, ведь она изначально приехала к нему, неужели нельзя проявить хоть каплю взаимности? То что она с кем-то там флиртовала, запоминала имена каких-то парней, не означает что она была достойна такого предательского поступка. С такими подругами как Дзюнко никаких врагов не нужно. Порадовали сцены, где Нана набросила на Хачико свою куртку, это было очень мило. И то что ночью она её не бросила и утешала. Ей нафиг не нужны были разговоры с глубоким анализом, ей нужно было поплакать в подушку и послушать музыку. А Дзюнко ничего подобного в сторону Сёдзи не высказывала, только Кёске пытался надоумить этого изменщика.
сцена, где сёдзи говорит в лицо хачи: «она моя девушка», я бы зарыдала, не попытайся ударить его нана.... он – причина, по которой я ненавижу измены................. меня реально разбило...
но честно не поняла вот этого «это твой парень, так что борись за него». нет? он изменял ей, унижал и по итогу отнесся как к мусору, он не стоит даже взгляда хачико........ что значит «я была слишком гордой, чтобы простить. я проиграла» НЕТ???? то, что она дурочка или инфантильная провинциалка – не повод поступать вот так. никто такого не заслужил.
"You're pretending to be a victim," "You've made mistakes too." What, excuse me, mistakes? Haven't been hanging around this asshole 24/7? Nana found a job and an apartment, and a "friend" says that these were her personal problems. Supposedly she wasn't thinking about Shoji!! Ah, poor, I felt unnecessary and stuck Sachiko.
I was torn apart by indignation at this episode.
Well, you can't look at the situation so one-sidedly, Nana is far from a victim who was treated unfairly.
Shoji's mistake is not that he cheated on Nanochka, who is such a pure and innocent soul, wanted to spend as much time with him as possible, invested in relationships like no one else, did not think about every man she met (and Nana hd) as an object of sexual desire in the presence of a living partner, who actually waited a year after her arrival, he offered to live together, and already she thought of something for herself and began to move away from him, along the way fapping at everyone she met and thinking "but how would I mess with him/her if there were no Shoji". It's not ok if you come up with such thoughts when you're dating someone! Yes, they hardly saw each other living in the same city, she called him just to whine, the point in such a relationship?
Shoji's only flaw is that no one started messing with another girl without talking to Hachiko, but here that he, that she, no one was particularly interested in getting in touch, talking and solving their problems. Although in general their relationship with Nana and the relationship is not particularly similar, it is not surprising that he forgot himself hdd
The only one I felt sorry for in this relationship was Sachiko. I hope that everything will be fine with Shoji, she is wonderful, and at least they have a connection, unlike his previous relationship. At least there are people here... Wow, they communicate!
And if you condemn that Junko tells her what she thinks, and not just what Hachiko wants to hear, then what is the meaning of friendship for you at all? She had to deceive her, or maybe redraw her thinking to please this spoiled girl?
All of Nana's friends showed themselves very carefully, Junko also sponsored her with food when she had problems with work, did not treat her rudely after breaking up with Shoji, but said everything as it is, where you saw a shitty friend here is a mystery to me.
In any case, the episode just knocked me out.
Порадовали сцены, где Нана набросила на Хачико свою куртку, это было очень мило. И то что ночью она её не бросила и утешала. Ей нафиг не нужны были разговоры с глубоким анализом, ей нужно было поплакать в подушку и послушать музыку. А Дзюнко ничего подобного в сторону Сёдзи не высказывала, только Кёске пытался надоумить этого изменщика.