@aleposha: this usually shows infantilism. A typical childhood trait is not to do as your parents tell you. In fact, as you grow up, you start to ask yourself, why shouldn't you do it?
@abramovich345: Hey, people, what are you? Kate, in fact, saved them all. If they hadn't been offered an exchange, and they had rushed at this crowd, they would definitely have been killed. It's obvious.
It's more about Jack. Because Sawyer confessed in a delirium, Jack is now flattened. He loves Kate too, and now feels that he needs to give up on her (by virtue of his nature, and this episode is proof of that), but he doesn't want to, and takes it out on her. Kate is certainly not an angel, and she is pretty annoying in many episodes, she could have sat in the bunker, but Jack did not behave well with her.
@superime: This woman has been infuriating since the first episode and so every time she reviews it. She really just gets into everything and does some nonsense every time. A great desire to hit her on the head with a baton.
At first I liked Jack as a character, but the more I watch, the more he starts to piss me off. In the beginning, he didn't seem to want to be a leader and he didn't like being chosen as the main one, but now he behaves like this - "as I said, so you jumped." And of course I understand that maybe he behaves so unfriendly with Locke after the story with Boone because he doesn't trust, but it looks like it pisses him off that everyone respects Locke and listens to his opinion. In my opinion, Locke would be more suited to the role of leader.
@Bаkа_Usаgi: Of course, Locke would have made a better leader. Unlike Jack, he is not a fool to engage in an open skirmish or unfairly accuse an "opponent" in front of all the survivors.
Jack is infuriating. Why on earth would he tell Kate what to do and what not to do? "I could have sat in the bunker" - so they could all sit in the bunker, well, Jack is still worried, everyone needs to be saved. Did Locke say correctly who he is to decide for others? But I liked how Song put her husband in his place.
I'm very sorry for Jack, and Kate behaved like a fool — it's clear that she also wants to go save Michael, but they made it clear to you that you need to stay. But no, she needs to be a plug in every barrel..
@kreeptonitt: So who is Jack to tell Kate what to do? Sawyer is injured, and Jack didn't say a word to him, because he's an adult who decides for himself. Why should Kate obey him?
Jack did not take Katka with him, perhaps because he loves her, is jealous of Soy and simply did not want to put her in danger. And she, like a 15-year-old girl, was offended, you see, and decided to do it her own way. And as it turned out, it only made it worse. I'm not a fan of Doc, I don't share many of his actions and deeds, but here he was right - she didn't have to follow them.
@Алёнка1990: so others would get out of it without any problems (they're, like, at home). The heroes would have been killed, 10-15 people surrounded them there. And even if others did not have weapons (which we do not know about), it would be very difficult for our heroes to shoot accurately in the dark. Oh, there was a weapon, by the way, Sawyer was shot again, either an ear or a cheek was scratched. Jack wanted to do something stupid: the three of them would fight a dozen people with guns. So Kate saved them.
If Others wanted to kill them, they would have killed them, believe me. At least the three of them would have gone, even though the whole beach would have gathered)))
@Алёнка1990: They would have killed him like that. It was important for them to break down the resistance and show who is in charge here. And if they had come at them with weapons, they would have killed them both defensively and for fear that the rest would not be offended. Well, or captured. But such a turn at this point did not seem to suit the screenwriters.
Anyway, Kate is wrong to go. If they had decided to kill them (in your opinion), then in fact the camp would have been left without a leader, because only Said remained on the beach from the adequate ones, who would hardly have taken on such a mission. And so at least Katka b remained (and after all, according to the original idea of the screenwriters, she was supposed to become the leader of the survivors)
@Алёнка1990: Well, from Katka, the leader is not so-so, to put it bluntly. She has already thrown the button twice without any serious reason (although they all decided that it was important). Said is really much more suitable for this role. And Katka is as crazy as Jack. Only he is because of hypertrophied responsibility, and she is because of adventurism and emotionality. A flighty girl should not be a leader somehow. Even Lucia can be somehow closer to this role....
Well, I'm not insisting on her leadership) I'm basically not a fan of hers)) but according to the original idea of the screenwriters, Jack was supposed to die in the pilot series and Katka would be the leader. Xs, what would come of it)))
But in this series, everything is not just like that. So even this ill-considered step by Kate was necessary for the further development of events in exactly the direction in which they would develop. Maybe if she had stayed, as Jack asked her to, then everything would have turned in a completely different direction..... (especially when you know what happened next)
@Алёнка1990: well yeah Therefore, it is a little funny to me when the comments begin to accuse the characters of stupidity and thoughtlessness. After all, they do this solely for the development of the plot in the direction planned by the screenwriters :).
with others, the story is murky. "their" island, "these" guests, blah blah blah. either their leader's roof creaked, or I don't even know what to assume.
There's something I don't like about Jack this season, I don't like it at all. Everywhere he's kind of right, everyone should listen to him, he doesn't believe anyone. You'd think it was the navel of the Earth.
1. Michael's logic: I will knock you out and lock you in this closet and fuck that there is no one to guard the Doomsday button. What could possibly happen? 2. Jack's logic: you're wearing a gun, John, and I'll take a normal rifle for myself. 3. Sawyer: It's getting dark and it's okay that it's a bright day in the frame now, since I said it's getting dark, it means it's already getting dark!
The wounded Sawyer, who cannot get up without help from the ground, will go with us, and you, Kate, sit in the bunker. In my opinion, it was worth doing the opposite
And why didn't anyone write about his wife? You married a doctor, you knew what to prepare for and what life would be like As a result, he immediately confesses about the kiss, and she, after a long period of time, "I have another one." If you didn't like it, leave right away, and then mess with whoever you want.
Everyone scolds Kate, but I resent Jack's behavior! Seriously, "you're not coming"?! And what right does he have to forbid her anything? Who is he to her? Father? Even a husband is not allowed to do that. She's an adult, and it's not up to him to decide whether she should go or stay. Kate quite logically remembered Hurley. Besides him, Ekko could have entered the numbers, and even Charlie, and that dark-skinned woman, she was also in the subject. Yes, Kate got into trouble, acted rashly, impulsively, but Jack himself is to blame for this, first of all! That's right, Locke said: "Who are we to tell who to do what?"!
It's very long with these others ..... and so much broken drama. Michael talked to the computer and believes that this is his son? Is it impossible to ask those who fumble? Kate followed the guys alone into the woods for some reason, what is it anyway? You were told NOT to GO. Jack's wife-what is it anyway? The husband came and said that his patient had died and he should immediately be bombarded with the news about care?
in short, the second season is somehow sagging, it's very long. I understand that this is 2005, but still
Damn, Jack annoys me so much. He constantly meddles in other people's affairs, commands everyone, although as someone said earlier, who appointed him leader at all? For some reason, he forbade Kate to go with them, of course she went, which was predictable from her. She was caught, and Jack is mad at her, although he is as guilty of this as she is, because if he had not forbidden her to go, Kate would have gone with the others and she would not have been caught. And what's the big deal that Kate wants to help find Michael? Others say to give up your weapons and leave in peace. There are three of you, there are at least 15 of them around, they are stronger and more cunning and you are on their territory, in fact you broke into their house, eat their food and prevent them from living. Even if you do not take into account that you are wrong, now you will not defeat them in any way, give me the weapon. If it wasn't for Kate, the others would either have taken someone else or started a war, but Jack still blames Kate for something. And in general, I don't like Jack as a character, much less the main character. He is a leader, but he behaves stupidest of all. I understand if Locke was the leader, they would have followed him in truth, but Jack is not worthy of this😊
@katarinagroo: Jack told Kate not to go with them, because he cares about her, logically, not? In fact, no one broke into others, people fell on a plane and are trying to survive, in return they get spies, kidnapping children, forcing secrets out of the blue and other game. If I were Jack, I would also be fucked up by such a presentation 🤦🏻♂️
Did you break into their house and interfere with their life?) Let me remind you that it was a plane crash and they are not averse to dumping in this island, just tell me how to do it
Well, the bunker wasn't theirs, there lived a lonely hermit. And again, there is an uninhabited island and a bunker of some kind, but what if you can find a normal walkie-talkie there? This is not a chance of salvation. Although, after this episode I watched 8 more and the behavior of the characters begins to infuriate me. I can no longer explain further stupidity with any logic...
@hooligan174: The bunker was not theirs, but Others did not release the Dez either. The logic of the waifs is clear, but Others can be understood a little - okay, the uninvited guests did not fall from the sky of their own free will, but they were made to understand that they were not welcome and that they should not be particularly interested in the secrets of the island
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Кричу с этих мальчишеских болталок о девчонках, Хёрли похоже запал на психологиню, хе-хе.
Может Сун и использовала запрещенный прием с женой, но мне понравился из диалог с Джином потом: он тоже долго указывал ей, как жить. И теперь на своей шкуре испытал, какого это. Но как был готов тоже броситься за Майклом, потому что тот его друг... Куда рыдать.
Я часто это говорю, но все же: блять, Майкл, какого... Я понимаю, понимаю как сложно потерять сына и сидеть в этом подвешенном ожидании непонятно чего, надо что-то делать все время, чтобы не ощущать себя бесполезным, но блин, не воровать оружие, не идти одному в неизвестность, и на наставлять ствол на друзей, заперев их в кладовке рядом с опасной кнопкой!
Трагический треугольник идет по тропе за сумасшедшим батей, ка-бум был неизбежен. Но как Сойер уверенно за ним собрался, даже без раздумий, мое уважение.
Кейти, Кейти... Джек жестко её обрубил в попытке защитить, а она не послушалась в своей любимой манере. Теперь будет виноватиться, что из-за неё всех повязали. Очень напряженная сцена в лесу, я аж дышать забывала. Мальчики не оставили бы мисс Остин на растерзание Другим, но теперь у Джейт все стало еще раз в сто сложнее, эти оленьи глаза её на Джека... А с другой стороны: игривые улыбки с Сойером. И то, и то больше не вдохновляет, если честно.
— Ты всегда будешь что-то исправлять. И ведь так честно пришёл, про поцелуй рассказал, а Сара ему такую подлянку подложила. Она ведь знала, за кого выходила замуж. Допустим, не вынесла, так уйди достойно, а измена это полный мехъ.
Это Локк говорит о том, что нельзя людям указывать что делать, а что не делать? Именно он? Мой гомерический хохот не унять. Я не спорю, что Джек неугомонный, и ему надо спасти весь мир, что у него гиперотвественность и контроль где надо и не надо, но блин, не этому трикстеру, играющему чужими судьбами как шариками, рассуждать об этом, совсем нет.
Вот уж правда, как сказал Бородач: "Since the dawn of our species, man has been blessed with curiosity" Кейт раздражает, когда постоянно лезет во все дела, только в её случае это не из любопытства, а из-за желания сделать наоборот тому, чему тебя просили. Теперь выжившие лишились половины оружия. Вообще поход трех альфачей к врагу был обречён на провал. Майкла бы лучше другим на обед оставили и не бегали по джунглям. "Другой" уморителен, откуда у этих босых дикарей бункер с удобствами и компом? Их там 10-15? Итан и Гудвин выглядели очень даже цивилизованно по сравнению с бородатым.
Мне нравится желание Джека всех спасать, но я не понимаю, как он столь долго держался в своей специальности с таким характером. Ну невозможно вот настолько всё пропускать через себя и не поехать головой.
Как лидер он напрягает ещё с концовки прошлого сезона. Сплошные слёзы и истерики, ещё и бескомпромиссность эта непонятная. Да, и желание лезть в каждую потенциально смертельно опасную авантюру, будучи единственным врачом на острове - неправильно. В этом плане они с Кейт друг друга стоят.
Почему никто не обратил внимания, что Сойер назвал Локка мистером Проппером? Я чуть чаем не захлебнулась. Как же меня радует Сойер. Случилось то, чего я так ждала: из вредной жопы он превратился в добрую и отзывчивую вредную жопу. И Джин. Обожаю его в этом сезоне. Он назвал Майкла другом. Майкла, с которым они весь прошлый сезон дрались и конфликтовали. И как он прислушался к Сун. У меня уже просто нет сил его любить .
Не поняла, если это "их" остров и они не рады гостям, может тогда помогут выбраться отсюда разбившимся на самолёте? 🤡 явно у них есть своя вышка, ранее где-то об этом упоминалось. Пока что такие мысли...
Не понимаю людей, которые пишут, что Кейт спасла кого-то. Ребят, из-за неё у бравой команды не осталось выбора и других путей отхода. Какая же она тупая -_-
Для меня лично, флешбеки Джека самые скучные. Интересно было смотреть пару первых, но вот последние вообще не то.
Логика у «других», конечно, топ. Сравнил мужик как приходишь в гости к кому-то и кладешь ноги в ботинках на столик с крушением самолета и вынужденным выживанием. Они должны были тихонечко сидеть на пляже и так же тихонечко помереть по их логике? Еще у хвостовых людей крали, убивали. Единственное, за что можно выжившим предъявить, так за то, что люк вскрыли и все. Да уж.
Кейт, как всегда. Никогда не слушается, постоянно на своем уме. Я понимаю, что помочь хочется, но помогать можно по-разному. В этом случае она бы помогла тем, что осталась бы в бункере и вписывала код. Бесит временами ее эта самоотверженность.
I've been reviewing the series for the umpteenth time and the only thing that remains is my dislike of Kate's character. She's just a plug in every f**k, but in fact she's just a man at the beck and call of really useful people. Jin is a fisherman, Michael is a builder, Lock is a pathfinder, Jack is a doctor, Sun is a herbalist, Said is a technician. Kate just chases them back and forth when asked. At the same time, she seems to be able to do everything, but little by little, I shoot a little, I read tracks a little. I would have continued to collect food, as has been shown a hundred times. She is on the level of Charlie and Hurley in importance, but screams from her as if everyone would die without her, you always need to get in and not to help, as she likes to convince everyone, but for your own benefit, so that she is not locked up in jail (where she belongs by the way).
I'm reviewing lost for the first time — I watched it a long time ago on discs when I was very small. I remember many events in fragments and I remembered my attitude towards the characters well. I thought I loved Jack, but now, the more I look, the more he and Kate annoy me, but Sawyer and Locke are the opposite, but I've always loved them. jack, of course, is a good character and this whole rescue story and so on is close to me (and I love such characters most of the time), but it's as if Locke would have done a better job of leadership tasks, and Jack makes a key mistake and gets in the way of it all with a personal and a lot of emotions ... and the importance of Kate as a character It is not very reasonable for the team as a whole, but it is very involved in all processes. Here's the story of how some people would do well to have some kind of impostor syndrome in order to think less about themselves.
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83Kate is certainly not an angel, and she is pretty annoying in many episodes, she could have sat in the bunker, but Jack did not behave well with her.
Found. Ahaha)))
"I could have sat in the bunker" - so they could all sit in the bunker, well, Jack is still worried, everyone needs to be saved. Did Locke say correctly who he is to decide for others?
But I liked how Song put her husband in his place.
As far as I'm concerned, Jack told her right
But in this series, everything is not just like that. So even this ill-considered step by Kate was necessary for the further development of events in exactly the direction in which they would develop. Maybe if she had stayed, as Jack asked her to, then everything would have turned in a completely different direction..... (especially when you know what happened next)
either their leader's roof creaked, or I don't even know what to assume.
2. Jack's logic: you're wearing a gun, John, and I'll take a normal rifle for myself.
3. Sawyer: It's getting dark and it's okay that it's a bright day in the frame now, since I said it's getting dark, it means it's already getting dark!
You married a doctor, you knew what to prepare for and what life would be like
As a result, he immediately confesses about the kiss, and she, after a long period of time, "I have another one." If you didn't like it, leave right away, and then mess with whoever you want.
Yes, Kate got into trouble, acted rashly, impulsively, but Jack himself is to blame for this, first of all!
That's right, Locke said: "Who are we to tell who to do what?"!
Jack's wife-what is it anyway? The husband came and said that his patient had died and he should immediately be bombarded with the news about care?
in short, the second season is somehow sagging, it's very long. I understand that this is 2005, but still
In fact, no one broke into others, people fell on a plane and are trying to survive, in return they get spies, kidnapping children, forcing secrets out of the blue and other game. If I were Jack, I would also be fucked up by such a presentation 🤦🏻♂️
Может Сун и использовала запрещенный прием с женой, но мне понравился из диалог с Джином потом: он тоже долго указывал ей, как жить. И теперь на своей шкуре испытал, какого это. Но как был готов тоже броситься за Майклом, потому что тот его друг... Куда рыдать.
Я часто это говорю, но все же: блять, Майкл, какого... Я понимаю, понимаю как сложно потерять сына и сидеть в этом подвешенном ожидании непонятно чего, надо что-то делать все время, чтобы не ощущать себя бесполезным, но блин, не воровать оружие, не идти одному в неизвестность, и на наставлять ствол на друзей, заперев их в кладовке рядом с опасной кнопкой!
Трагический треугольник идет по тропе за сумасшедшим батей, ка-бум был неизбежен. Но как Сойер уверенно за ним собрался, даже без раздумий, мое уважение.
Кейти, Кейти... Джек жестко её обрубил в попытке защитить, а она не послушалась в своей любимой манере. Теперь будет виноватиться, что из-за неё всех повязали.
Очень напряженная сцена в лесу, я аж дышать забывала. Мальчики не оставили бы мисс Остин на растерзание Другим, но теперь у Джейт все стало еще раз в сто сложнее, эти оленьи глаза её на Джека... А с другой стороны: игривые улыбки с Сойером. И то, и то больше не вдохновляет, если честно.
— Ты всегда будешь что-то исправлять.
И ведь так честно пришёл, про поцелуй рассказал, а Сара ему такую подлянку подложила. Она ведь знала, за кого выходила замуж. Допустим, не вынесла, так уйди достойно, а измена это полный мехъ.
Это Локк говорит о том, что нельзя людям указывать что делать, а что не делать? Именно он? Мой гомерический хохот не унять.
Я не спорю, что Джек неугомонный, и ему надо спасти весь мир, что у него гиперотвественность и контроль где надо и не надо, но блин, не этому трикстеру, играющему чужими судьбами как шариками, рассуждать об этом, совсем нет.
Кейт раздражает, когда постоянно лезет во все дела, только в её случае это не из любопытства, а из-за желания сделать наоборот тому, чему тебя просили. Теперь выжившие лишились половины оружия. Вообще поход трех альфачей к врагу был обречён на провал. Майкла бы лучше другим на обед оставили и не бегали по джунглям.
"Другой" уморителен, откуда у этих босых дикарей бункер с удобствами и компом? Их там 10-15? Итан и Гудвин выглядели очень даже цивилизованно по сравнению с бородатым.
Как лидер он напрягает ещё с концовки прошлого сезона. Сплошные слёзы и истерики, ещё и бескомпромиссность эта непонятная. Да, и желание лезть в каждую потенциально смертельно опасную авантюру, будучи единственным врачом на острове - неправильно. В этом плане они с Кейт друг друга стоят.
Сойер зато с этими своими кличками - прекрасен.
Как же меня радует Сойер. Случилось то, чего я так ждала: из вредной жопы он превратился в добрую и отзывчивую вредную жопу.
И Джин. Обожаю его в этом сезоне. Он назвал Майкла другом. Майкла, с которым они весь прошлый сезон дрались и конфликтовали. И как он прислушался к Сун. У меня уже просто нет сил его любить .
Пока что такие мысли...
Мне кажется тут некоторые детали надо просто принять как есть.
Логика у «других», конечно, топ. Сравнил мужик как приходишь в гости к кому-то и кладешь ноги в ботинках на столик с крушением самолета и вынужденным выживанием. Они должны были тихонечко сидеть на пляже и так же тихонечко помереть по их логике? Еще у хвостовых людей крали, убивали. Единственное, за что можно выжившим предъявить, так за то, что люк вскрыли и все. Да уж.
Кейт, как всегда. Никогда не слушается, постоянно на своем уме. Я понимаю, что помочь хочется, но помогать можно по-разному. В этом случае она бы помогла тем, что осталась бы в бункере и вписывала код. Бесит временами ее эта самоотверженность.
Sarah is scum.
She's just a plug in every f**k, but in fact she's just a man at the beck and call of really useful people. Jin is a fisherman, Michael is a builder, Lock is a pathfinder, Jack is a doctor, Sun is a herbalist, Said is a technician. Kate just chases them back and forth when asked. At the same time, she seems to be able to do everything, but little by little, I shoot a little, I read tracks a little. I would have continued to collect food, as has been shown a hundred times. She is on the level of Charlie and Hurley in importance, but screams from her as if everyone would die without her, you always need to get in and not to help, as she likes to convince everyone, but for your own benefit, so that she is not locked up in jail (where she belongs by the way).
Alexa showed only the hand, well, of course it's alive, who doubted it