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I don't remember how it was in the old Shogun anymore and how Chamberlain played, but I'm sure he was better as an actor.
So the series is superior in all respects, except for the protagonist.
Yes, he is a pawn, like many in this series, and Taranaga plays with these pawns, he is just the main character.
It's not like Marvel or even the last samurai with Cruise. Onzin has already been given a lot of privileges, which in general seems strange.
But overall Cosmo didn't play badly. But the main character for me here is the character of Hiroyuki Sanada.
And it all ended on him. Of course, I was shocked by the ending at the beginning, but such an ending is like a haiku. And it even turned out to be, in fact, the most wonderful ending.
1. As viewers, we begin to subconsciously expect that he will win over everyone and teach them how to live properly, as it happens with popadans, so that later we can see that after all, you can't come to someone else's monastery and tell everyone how to live in it correctly.
2. This is an early hint that Anzin is being used precisely as a distraction and is being brainwashed himself, allowing him to think that he has acquired some opportunities, although in fact he was right from the very beginning - he was both in captivity and remained.
I began to understand the culture, the language too, but it is unrealistic to do more in such a short time.
GG is an observer, he watches as we do this unfamiliar world, where everything is alien to him. He desperately tries to apply familiar norms, but in the end gives up and accepts the world as it is, without trying to change, adjust to himself or convince the savages. In the end, he takes his place in society.
GG has a lot of emotions, I don't know what can be overlooked here.
Well, the series is not called "Caper" but "Shogun".
Many people watch in the original with subs and this is a better experiment than pirated translations
"well, you knew what you were doing"
How did I know what I was doing?
"that in the series, which takes place in Japan at the beginning of the 17th century, everyone will speak English?"
Yes, just like in the book.
"allows you to understand John a little more"
I agree here, but just a little bit. Plus, if you're so in favor of authenticity, then all the conversations between John, Mariko and the monk should be in Portuguese, don't you think?
I absolutely do not want to devalue your opinion about the series, everyone likes and dislikes different things, I just don't understand the quibble about such a normal thing as subtitles at all))
This is an authentic series about Japan in 1600, it would be a complete mess if the Japanese spoke English in it, because soy gum lovers are more used to it.
There is a difference between book media and video.
In the book, you can write that the characters speak Japanese, in the series you need to show it. And to make it clear where the hero understands what they say and where they don't.
The shooting is very beautiful, the claim to poverty is not clear.
With any film adaptation, it is always better to perceive a new work as a separate work on a topic rather than the embodiment of what you have read. Because no one will be able to remove exactly what a particular reader has drawn in his head.
It's obvious about the film adaptation, but this in no way cancels my right not to consider the result a masterpiece.
We mentioned above that GG doesn't seem to be the main one at all, and I think that's the point. We watched many events unfold through his eyes - the eyes of a European who used to consider his culture the apotheosis of civilization, who came to teach the mind of savages, and who soon realizes that he is the savage here, and no matter how he is a shirt-guy and a smart guy, no one needs him in this world. Neither he, nor his customs, nor his plans for war with Portugal. A very realistic representation of the dynamics between "I came to save you all!" and "who do you think you are?", I believe))
But I do not agree with the opinion expressed earlier that John did not influence anything at all. He didn't have to perform large-scale feats himself to stand out, be remembered, and change the course of other characters' lives. If he had not appeared on the shores of Japan, Mariko would not have been called to translate and she would not have become a key player in Toranaga's plan; she would most likely have remained alive, but indescribably unhappy with an unloved husband, without a purpose in life. Toranaga would not have found out about the secret bases of the Portuguese and in general about their real mission in his country. Yabushige, I think, would have ended up playing without the appearance of the Englishman, but it seems to me that it was the guilt for Mariko's death that finished off his willingness to dodge and lie, and he accepted his sentence with dignity. John just brought variety to Fuji's life with his strangeness, and I dare say that his company helped her regain the desire to live and strive for something in principle. The same Omi and Buntaro, who hated Anjin 99% of the time, in the end, if they did not begin to respect him, then they took the first steps towards acceptance. By his existence, he revealed other characters, and, as we saw with the example of Loki (hello to the commentator who mentioned Marvel in one of the recent series))), this does not take away the title from GG at all, in fact, GG.
It took.
Why tell a dead man about the future?
🤔🤔
An interesting fact is that as a result, in the future, the real Toranaga overthrew the little ruler (his mother and himself committed seppuku after a heavy defeat) and established his own dictatorship, the entire Edo era (about 200 years) Japan was isolated from the influence of all foreigners, and Christianity was eradicated by harsh methods. But through his activities, he united Japan into a single state, but was it worth it?
On the other hand, if the modern unified state of Japan justifies the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, then maybe something is wrong, and it goes back centuries into the history of the country. Maybe Yabushigu shows the true essence of modern Japan, "to betray is to foresee." And all this pathos of devotion shown in the series, show-offs, nothing more??
A decent work in general, it definitely does not need sequels. But if they take on something else from Clavell, I hope it will turn out no worse.
And here, we were often shown that smart characters partially guessed about his intrigues, but some part remained undiscovered by anyone.
Therefore, the last episodes are often two-part ones, the climax in one, the epilogue in the other.
The creators built the series like a movie - the first few episodes are an exposition and the beginning of the main conflict, then the action increases, until the climax when two episodes are on pins and needles, and then the denouement. Everything is according to the canons of cinematography.
The series turned out to be great. From the very first episode, he hooked me, especially since I did not read the book, and did not watch the very first film adaptation. But now I want to do it.
It was very much like Game of Thrones with its intrigues and conspiracies, but all this in a samurai setting and another culture without fiction. The costumes, the interiors, the actors, even the dialogues IN JAPANESE - everything is gorgeous, it's clear that they tried.
Moreover, in fact, there is no need for further continuation and stretching for 5 seasons, because what happened next can be guessed for yourself (unless the creators want more money and still release it, because the ratings of the series are high).
I read above that GG did not contribute much to the plot, but this, as I believe, is the highlight of the whole series. From the outside, like John the European, we observe another country and get to know their culture. We notice various details and that honor for the Japanese is above all, but even this does not protect against betrayal. We even see love between people of completely different cultures, where some hide all their feelings behind 8 walls, and the other just has a slightly unsuccessful actor, as it seemed to me. (and this is just my opinion, because in some places I did not believe in his feelings)
But here's Mariko... It will stay in my heart forever. I fell in love with her from the first appearance on the screen
In any case, the series turned out to be beyond praise and all 10 episodes contributed to the development of the plot, and the atmosphere they are saturated with is just space! I definitely recommend watching it!
I liked everything else - the scenes of John and Fuji are gorgeous ("no translator" and at the end when Fuji said the same thing as Mariko to her in episode 1 about "the last one who touched her"), it's a pity Fuji went into a nun (when John asked not to leave, too, a great moment)., but at least it will be "best nun" .There were also John's emotions on the boat when the priest told about Mariko and when John was ready to sacrifice himself for the sake of the village... Cosmo Jarvis is wonderful in this series. Yabu is still a gorgeous character, his final poem and how he asked to change the way of death - that's the whole point of Yabu) Buntaro and John at the end is also a cool moment, and ending on Toranaga is a good decision, it's a pity he never lets John go and at the beginning of the series it's just John's dreams, not the future.
Overall, it turned out to be an amazing series - the plot, characters, cast, dialogues, scenery, filming. Despite the tone and atmosphere, there are a lot of funny moments. They fell a little short of greatness, of course, but in any case one of the best mini-series. I'm waiting for the awards season so that everyone gets their well-deserved prizes (especially Anna Savai - although I liked the finale, but the episode without Mariko is even perceived differently, as if it was her story in the first place.)
>> why she initially had such an attitude towards Toranaga was not explained
They explained that he was the organizer of the conspiracy, as a result of which her father was killed and overthrown, and she saw it.
I've been waiting for this series for a long time, and it has more than justified itself.
In love with Anna Sawai, after the role of Mariko)
In general, any military leader sacrifices people. Toranaga did it as efficiently as possible.
Это шикарно.
He took into account culture, traditions and everything else and used it all for his own purposes.
With Mariko, he roughly understood what would happen and was prepared for different outcomes. She would hardly have been released alive, and he knew it.
Actually, that's why Europe has crushed the world under itself.
And in episode 10, he was ready to commit seppuku to save the village from terror and surrendered to fate. The very thing we live, we die with which he had struggled so much before.
I won't even remind you about how all the Japanese stood and looked at the door, while he was the only one trying to make a barricade, and how many times he tried to get on his ship and complete his task.
The series is cool, but I was hoping at some point that a longer period of time would be shown and maybe some kind of battle would be filmed. And then they cooked everything, but they didn't show it.
Toranaga was shown everything, as if he had no ambitions to seize power. And in fact, that's all he was going for all the time, pitting the council against each other.
And judging by the wiki, the shoguns were generally considered to be the power in the country.
If we had shown a longer segment, maybe we would have seen a completely assimilated G. And so he rushed the whole series in not understanding what to do and how to behave. Why he wanted to do sepuku in the end is not clear at all. A series earlier, he had left this village in search of a better life.
I watched it in translation and in the last episodes I was sure that he already speaks and understands Japanese normally. And he uses the translator for his own purposes. But apparently this is not quite true.
The story is probably finished - it's even sad. There could be a lot more to show.
No matter how it seems, but I'm still sure that the main character of this story is Toranaga. And it is his story that is told from the observations of John Blacktern.
A cunning man who outplayed everyone. The puppeteer pulling the strings of literally every character in this production.
It would seem that his scam failed, and he himself lost with a crash, but this is just another twist of his plan. A man who does not disdain any sacrifice in the name of the goal.
These are the kind of people I am absolutely afraid of. Yoshi Toranaga is the most dangerous snake in this serpentarium.
And all I hope is that his plan for a golden era without wars has finally been fulfilled and all these sacrifices were not in vain.
I don't understand the meaning of the scenes from England with the old man. John got out and his life moved on? But why ? It would be much more logical to leave the question open. Or close it with the words of Yoshi, which were uttered in the same series.
Yabushige has reopened with a dramatic side. The actor is wonderful with every second of his screen time. He passed away as a man, as a warrior and as a sane person. Toranaga ignited his ember of excitement and twirled it from the very beginning. Yabu thought he was a sly man, that he could handle it and cover his ass, but his ruler saw him as a baby on a changing table and played with him like a baby.
Mariko is the light of the moon and the sun. She is beautiful both by herself and by her game and the quality of her character's disclosure. I am very sorry that their affair with Anjin is so poorly disclosed. But solely for the sake of extra minutes of her screen time. It was a pleasure to see her happy.
I am extremely impressed with this work and spent each of the ten episodes in incredible awe. Thank you for making this series happen to me.
Although it is not without flaws, at the moment it is the best live action that I have seen in the last 2 or 3 years
Никаких мечей, никаких доспехов, никаких внуков, никаких возвращений домой..
But in general, my guesses, which I had even after the first episodes, were completely confirmed — the council was correctly afraid of him and their desire to throw him off was fully justified. As well as the heir's mother's fear of him. As a result, it turns out that Toranaga always wanted to become a Shogun, schemed for decades, spied on everyone (Yabushige), checked everyone, planned everything (operation crimson sky), organized political assassinations (Ochiba's father), etc. And at the beginning of the series, he began to assemble an army, accelerated alliances (marriages), increased his the possessions doubled and held the heir's mother hostage. So all this chatter about how he doesn't want to be Shogun, that he's worried about the heir, and so on is just bullshit.
And I feel sorry for Yabushige. He's an asshole, of course, but he's very human. In fact, he was just trying to survive and didn't do anything that Toranaga wouldn't have done. You could even say that he was more honest. Well, Toranagi's phrase in the finale "why talk about the future with a dead man" killed. I'll just remind you that this is exactly what Yabushige told his nephew about Toranaga in the very first episode, and it turns out that the nephew ratted on his uncle from the very beginning and reported on his every move.
Well, I'll just attach the comment that I left before watching the final episode:
"but I don't agree about Toranaga. I see him as extremely calculating. And although he creates the appearance of such a correct and noble ruler, if you dig a little deeper and see how he manages the lives of his closest allies, how he plots and manipulates everyone, then there is a strong feeling that his motives are not so pure and altruistic. I suspect that he just wants the absolute power and greatness of his clan, and has long planned his way to this goal (the same "crimson sky" they planned for a very long time). And this whole game of a surrendered, feeble old man with a thinned army is aimed not only at the council, but also at identifying and cleaning up insufficiently loyal people in his environment (it is likely that he also checked his brother). Perhaps other members of the council with the heir's mother guessed about these ambitions, and that's why they wanted to remove him, because they saw him as a threat to their existence (and not just because they wanted to squeeze out his possessions). And Yabushige is a smart-ass piece of shit, of course, but charismatic. And you can understand him — he got involved in all this without much enthusiasm, Toranaga's escape and his son's trick confused all the cards for Yabushige, and now he's just trying to survive. And since Toranaga did not tell him about his plans and, moreover, did everything to convince Yabushige that he had surrendered, Yabushige despaired and decided to take his salvation into his own hands (at the same time, most likely, he did not expect such a development of events, the plan was different, but about that already under the next series)".
I haven't read the book myself yet, but there is a feeling that it is very similar to the truth.
In general, I expected more from here...influences on history, or something. In fact, it turned out that through John's eyes we watched a mess in the mud somewhere in the middle of the battle for power - it began before the events of the series, and ended after, and the main character was needed there simply because he was funny;(in fact, it is clear that he is like a guide to the world of a foreign culture, it was easier for the Western reader of the book to associate himself with him, but also the hostility within Christianity, which did not lead to anything, was added. As a result, that he is a Protestant, that he is a Catholic - did not really affect anything). Well, they showed us an alien culture, which, behind all the decorative elements, turned out to be exactly the same as any other - powerful people sacrifice smaller people, hiding behind empty rituals
It seems that I guessed the answers to all the questions from Toranaga's speech +/-
I hoped to the last that Toranaga would spare Yaba. I also threw John and the ship...
it was very beautiful in the boat with Fuji.
I will review and enjoy it.
8/10.
The subtle nature of the Japanese, plus their thirst for power with unlimited attachment to the beautiful, to nature, their country and their master. Excellent work, Mr. Hiroyuki Sanada.
Personally, I was a little upset that many story lines were simply abandoned. I liked that they took some minor moments from the book for the central plot and inserted them into the series, but for some reason that was all.
And about Anzin. There are many who argue whether his role in this story is significant or not. But what worries me more is not that it is not significant. Here he is the same in the last episode as in the first. Absolutely no development as a person. And in the original story, his inner world turned upside down. Why is there no emphasis on accepting karma? And in general, for some reason, he was made much more stupid.
Well, according to the second paragraph, I completely agree and I furiously spit!
1. Tauranga conspired with his stepbrother to pretend to capture him.
1b. Or he didn't even conspire, but simply calculated that he would do so.
2. Then he pretended in every possible way that he was resigned.
3. So that when Mariko died because of Ishido, to say: " but no, I no longer give up, I will avenge my beloved vassal!".
4. So that Ochiba was disappointed in Ishido in the end, they say, well, fuck it was necessary to kill her friend, especially since Tauranga was already kind of going to the block himself, but then he changed his mind, fuck you, Ishido. (I didn't see any other motivation to change my mind)
So?
but there are questions about the plot. Either the series was cut, or in the original as well.
gg is generally useless and does nothing, but everyone treats him like a chosen one. Just an eyewitness to some events, not even a narrator. Everything would have happened exactly the same without him. Well, I steered the ship once.
Glavbaba complains all season about how bad her life is, her husband is not her husband. She told me her cotton wool story, which doesn't explain a damn thing. Either she needs to die, or she doesn't need to. A lot of pretentious speeches about how women should fight, but in her twenty years she has done absolutely nothing. The problems of the rich in all their glory. You can say that she became a one-time assassin, which she talked about in the beginning.
The result was a series about the luboff of two secondary characters, and all the really significant cases within the country were handled without their participation. There wasn't much development, the dude was just going on vacation.
But for the most part, I agree with you. We look at the world of Japan through Blackthorn's eyes. Indeed, he did not bring any significant actions to promote the plot. Here he is teaching the army how to shoot point guns. Will this give them an advantage in the war? Of course, this is a targeted fire that opens up wide possibilities for maneuver. But in fact, how? Well, only Toranagi's son used it to eliminate that gentleman, I don't remember his name. Well, wouldn't there be guns? Yes, well, they would have killed him with katanas in the same way. In fact, it is thanks to Blackthorn that the director explains certain actions of the characters to us
Inside the series, it is needed as a distraction. Therefore, it is inflated.
From the point of view of the viewer, it is necessary that we, as viewers, experience more emotions and go about the same way as Anzin himself - from the expectation that he will be able to somehow teach savages to the understanding that he is far from the most important here.
Only we, unlike him, were made to understand that even the moment when Anzin took fate into his own hands and saved the village was directed by Toranaga.
Very beautiful costumes, landscapes. The creators of the series have invested a lot of effort and budget and it feels like the money was not spent in vain. But I will not paint a visual, so everyone understands everything.
I liked the central idea of the series - you think you've fucked everyone around, but you've been fucked. For every tricky one .Oh, there's a better dick.
In a sense, the creators also fucked us, catching up with the intrigue. I think many people were waiting for the final huge battle. But the battle took place only on the words of Toranaga, and several cadres of troops. But the meaning is clear, as Lord Toranaga said - the battle has already been won by the successful completion of the Crimson Skies plan.
As for Blackthorn, how I wished his dream had become a reality and he had died in his warm European bed, alas, it was only a dream. Having thrown the cross into the sea, we understand that this will not happen
An interesting and very insidious character Toranaga, although he did not directly answer Yabushige's question whether he wanted to become a Shogun, and as if throughout the series we were shown that Toranaga did not want to be a Shogun...
But, the soldier who does not want to become a general is bad, in our case, the daimyo becomes a shogun. Sacrificing his people, old friends, he is following a true bloody path to this. Yes, he doesn't seem to be bloodthirsty, and he seems to be a peaceful and wise ruler... But the road to hell is paved with good intentions. Still, my opinion is that Toranaga is a dictator.
From the very beginning of the series, we were shown how he strengthened his power through new alliances. And it was not for nothing that the council was afraid of him and wanted to remove him. All his victims of his people and allies, burned a ship, began to cut up an entire village - well, all this does not characterize him as a good ruler.
In general, a really beautiful and impressive series 2024 about Japan and the mores prevailing there.
As an illustration to the central idea of the series, I want to attach this picture - not always what we see is true, we just need to squint our eyes.
They are all woven into a single story, and therefore it is interesting who will throw whom in the end.
It feels like either the creators initially chose the wrong format (a mini-series of ten hour episodes), or the screenwriter could not correctly distribute screen time between all the characters. There is some kind of feeling of understatement in many points, which is why question after question from the series constantly appears. "And what is there with <...>?".
It seems to me that it would be necessary either to increase the timing of each episode to 90 minutes, or to make more episodes broken down into seasons (let's say 2x8 or even 3x6).
At the same time, it is impossible not to note either the excellent staging or the beautiful visual. It is clear that they did not save money. we spent wisely and tried to do it as efficiently as possible. At least the setting and the picture alone already answer the question of whether it's worth spending 10 hours of time on this series or choosing something else.
But Cosmo Jarvis somehow let me down. His character was somehow not expressive, as if he wanted to act out confusion and misunderstanding, but only tightness and strangulation turned out. There is no charisma in him that would attract, just as there is no belief that he really hates the Portuguese and is planning something. It's like it's some kind of amoeba that seems to be trying to do something, but in fact has long given up. And because of that, Toronaga's last words about him about a monkey that amuses, do not cause any emotions, that this is an unscrupulous Japanese who really doesn't care, but only "and what is he wrong about?".
You can write for a long time, as contradictory feelings have turned out. Of course, I liked the series, but it is unlikely to take the first place in the top for the year.
And you're scolding the actor in vain, imho. He played a lot of emotions. He didn't really hate the Portuguese from the bottom of his heart, he was just trying to build a career and make it profitable for himself.
Conflicting feelings are good. Not every series gives them. But there is something to think about, something to discuss.
10 thoughtful silent glances at snow-capped mountains out of 10
I watched it to the end, and I can say that this series is much better than the version with Richard Chamberlain. The emphasis here is on Japanese culture, traditions, and history, rather than the colonialist version of the Western barbarians. And the creators of the series were able to show this through an amazing palette of authentic performance (3 different cultural advisers of Japan at that time), magical costumes and masterful performance. The accents placed in the drama of the narrative are also striking: elegantly, accurately and precisely striking at those moments when it is especially needed. I was captured both emotionally and visually. Bravo!
At the same time, we mostly see everything through the eyes of a foreigner and see what he paid attention to, so I think that partly cranberries should be slightly, because the series is also about not understanding an unfamiliar culture from the word at all.
In general, as described above, Blackthorn is rather the same spectator, his role assigned to him by Toranaga is for fun and distraction of enemies (it would seem a trifle, but Isis was constantly annoyed by this issue in the council). Well, as Toranaga said, everything would have happened without him.
Oh, Toranaga, I haven't seen such a puppeteer in a long time. For him, everything is nothing more than pawns on the board, and he calculated his moves long before the appearance of Anjin. He sacrifices friends, people, and his son (the scene where he said it was good that he still had heirs speaks volumes) and at the same time gives others a purpose for existence (from Marika and even Fuji to Anjin). Hiroyuki Sanada is on top here.
Mariko is the decoration of the series, in many ways our main guide to the charming and cruel world of Japan and at the same time a strong and multifaceted character. Through it, we learn the customs and culture of the Japanese, their attitude to death, etc. At the same time, a rather tragic character who never managed to get out of this loop.
Many are unhappy that Blackthorn has not received proper development, but in my opinion, this development is quite obvious throughout the series. He understood the value of words and attitude to death, could no longer return to his former team, made Mariko's decisions and was ready to help her lose her life, and in the end, having lost faith and hope, he accepted, as Mariko once did, this goal from Toranaga.
Of the minuses, we can agree that the change of position is a bit far-fetched (we could show more discord in the council and doubts of the Eyes), on the other hand, the series often gives us to read certain events between the lines.
So, there was an excellent balance between the intricately woven plot, about intrigues and throne games, and a wonderful excursion into the world, culture and way of life of Japan.
Personally, I did not have enough spectacular episodes, large-scale battle scenes, in some scenes the scarcity of the budget was striking - you can see very simple graphics on a green background.
Well, that's right, quibbles.Overall, it's a good series.
Пытаюсь сформулировать впечатление.
Последние 2 серии недоумевала, как они собираются вместить войну. В итоге - полный восторг от элегантности финала. Не знаю правил кинематографа, но я вижу концепцию этого сериала как хокку. Первая строчка - разместили действующих лиц, вторая - запустили цепь событий, третья (повисающая в воздухе, еще не свершившаяся, но уже сформированная) - результат.
Очень рада, что все оказалось настолько на высоте. Узнала о сериале где-то за год до выхода, очень ждала и боялась, что, как обычно, все испортят. Но нет. Спасибо за это.
Еще мелькнула мысль, что за всей этой честью, долгом, обязательствами и прочими бусидо, вся человечность всех персонажей уместилась в маленькой Фудзи. А потом вспомнила, что она садовника казнила)
Good teaching,
Wisdom illuminates the way,
Women are fire.
It is very interesting that the moment with John's seppuku attempt was moved to the ending.
And in general, the acting (and even the wooden Cosmo was in the theme) and the atmosphere will leave in the memory an elusive, but persistent aroma of sakura. Well, Mariko-Sama, " dragged " this whole concert...