A good episode, the ending pulled out. I don't think Victor has any sinister plan that could harm those who are with him on the ship. The grandfather rummaging through his things is a little annoying.
@nayn_overlord: hardly directly. It seems to me that he will just arrive at his destination and throw everyone away. Perhaps he has a purchased place in the bunker. It is not known where this bunker is, so there are some starting points. Perhaps one of them was in San Diego, which is no longer there. But, this is just a guess.
I also think that he has no bad intentions about his fellow travelers, rather selfish, he uses them in order to get there safely. He said he needed a Nickname, maybe he wants to use the others too.
@Darffin: It's a matter of taste, I suppose. A lot of people don't like Madison, they even compare her to Lori, but in my opinion she's a good character, and she never pisses me off, unlike Rick's wife. I like the pair of them with Travis, only the kids annoy them with their stupidity.
@Porter92: Wow, you've already memorized their names. For me, they are all still nouneymes. Mom, dad, ex-junkie, Lexa + another teenage mug, Black captain asshole, And the guy is a fisherman.
FTWD is good because, unlike TWD, zombies do not yet have a strict code, when everyone walks in the same dirty clothes, but for now they flaunt in different clothes, and the faces are not as rotten as in the last series.
The FTWD heroes have the fate of their TWD brethren: the group stumbles upon a safe place that has lived without them for a long time, and it ceases to be safe. For some reason, it was in this series that the special effects were very striking, well, something quite budget-friendly: some kind of strange starry sky, this long painted pier at the end... Along which the infected mother somehow hobbled quickly, because the group ran to the boat (?) Or they argued for so long... in general, despite the nagging, the series is on the level.
In this episode, I realized what the series still lacks. Characters. And then two families and a nigger are hanging out on a yacht. It's kind of boring to look at intra-family showdowns, I want people from outside. I hope 1-2 permanent Persians will be added this season.
Well, why did they mess it up? Oh, they signaled us for a reason. Come on, what's the trouble? I will save your children! Oops, I didn't save it. Well, the mother looks like a complete asshole after such a finale. She got down to business, started sniffing around, made a promise, so do it.
@PALAM94: Ага, особенно мамаша неизвестна. Всего лишь засветилась у двух грандов современных сериалов, Курта Саттера и Дэвида Саймона в Сынах Анархии и Треме соответственно. Я уже молчу про всякие дедвуды, лосты и карточные домики.
@АлинаКипр: Я знаю, просто специально именно по сериалам с ней прошёлся и ещё далеко не все упомянул. Но уже первых двух достаточно, чтоб объяснить некоторым, что там за актриса "второго плана".
@АлинаКипр: ну Трэвис, справедливости ради тоже как бы норм, он играл в "Пекло" Дэнни Бойла, "Фонтан" Даррена Арановски, играл в своё время Пабло Эскобара в фильме "Кокаин". И Воббще в других картинах на большом экране, так что он тоже вполне себе не серая мышка)
@Tonybofthedead: Ну вообще да, в "Пекле" его хорошо помню. "Фонтан" меня в своё время отговорили смотреть, объявив возможно самым неудачным творением Арановски. "Кокаин" как-то мимо прошёл...
Продолжаю быть абсолютно уверен, что всех, кроме чёрного крутана, торчка и девки, надо как можно скорее убить. Все остальные бесят, абсолютно никакие, скучные, пустые персонажи. Девчонка тоже никакая, но на неё хотя бы посмотреть приятно, и то.
@Wilko: он из Сальвадора, к слову эти ребята отличаются от мексиканцев и лицом, и характером - часто больше индейской составляющей, жили в бедности и анархии, а также в 70-80хх лет 15 в состоянии гражданской войны, чего в Мексике не было.
Да нормальные персонажи и актёры тоже вполне себе сносные, что вы тут раскукарекались?
У них еще у всех будет возможность проявить себя в сюжете, уж будьте уверены! Драмы еще будет предостаточно, это я вам гарантирую, как давный читатель разных комиксов Киркмана.
@blindmaggot: Смотрю только потому, что на это надеюсь, зная уровень TWD. Но все-таки уже второй сезон пошел, надежда тает, другое шоу я бы уже бросила смотреть.
Персонажи могут тупить, быть слабыми, глупыми и во всех отношениях несовершенными, делать ошибки - как по мне, так это все простительно. Они не могут только одного - быть неинтересными. Я даже не могу сказать сказать, что они мне не нравятся, они мне безразличны: ноль сопереживания, ноль эмоций.
А сюжет нормальный. Если выпилить всех, запилить новых, то покатит)
@A_nna: "Уровень TWD".. 1-2 сезоны курировал сам мсье Дарабонт, так что это не то что несравнимо, об этом даже думать как-то не очень правильно вообще) Ну а потом все знают что случилось (ничего плохого, в том смысле, что сериал стал популярен и пошло поехало.
А вот про "неинтересность" - это вообще главная характеристика на TV для сериалов, о чем даже критики понять не могут (точнее они скучные сериалы то как раз порой оценивать могут высоко). Главное - чтобы зрителю было интересно смотреть - это стержень. Верно подмечено, как я всегда считал, худшее - это не ненависть или любовь, а когда тебе наплевать, нейтрально, Никак. Посмотрим.
I can imagine how interesting it would be to watch this episode with the characters of HMM. The plot is interesting, but the characters really are not : with
Well, they're stupid.... The child finds the pills and immediately eats, of course, she was not taught not to put anything in her mouth. The mother decided that it was better with other people's uncles and aunts for her children and they should be given away. Atomyvseumrem is on a safe island with only 200 zombies, there is no risk of getting a herd from big cities, there are cultivated gardens and water. Lexa is stupid, she doesn't even understand what she's done with her chatty tongue, she walks with headphones on, well, it's safe. Travis suffers watching his son work with a pickaxe, rejoice, stupid! He's learning to survive. The strand is shocked by everyone. Nick is my idol. Phew.
@Kassia: The children thought that these pills were a cure for the "disease". What the boy was talking about to Nick when he showed his toys. The island is far from safe, especially when you consider that 200 zombies against 5 people, two of whom are just children and one dying woman. As for Alicia, let her go for a walk. What she did was a stupid mistake, but still, who doesn't make them? Moreover, there is no way to fix it, but is she now sitting on a yacht and killing herself? For a second, the apocalypse caught everyone unexpectedly, few people were preparing for it, much less were ready. Naturally, it is difficult for Travis to observe such a sharp transition from how his beloved child becomes an insensitive butcher. Nick is wonderful, I agree with that:
This is the second episode of everything and so far it's a great start, much stronger than the 1st season. The plot and the idea are great, it's much more interesting to watch. As for the characters, they show a normal realistic reaction to what is happening to ordinary people. Ordinary ones! This is not Rick the sheriff, Michonne, or Shane. Maggie and Glenn didn't turn into superheroes right away either. Here the characters are schoolteachers, God forgive me, and their teenage children who have not seen difficulties in life. Except Nick, which is why he's the fittest. Strand and Salazar are a completely different category, there is some kind of vein there, yes, they are certainly stronger than Travis and Madison. But if the last two are already beginning to somehow accept the current situation, then Ophelia, for example, is just sitting on a yacht for furniture. BHM - that's not about the zombie apocalypse at all, as for me. And about people and human relationships in a critical, terrible situation. The characters are still trying to remain human, to preserve humanity. And they don't always succeed, but the development of characters is still visible. The whole season is still ahead, the creators promised notable changes for each character. I am personally satisfied with what I see so far. It's not HMM, and expecting the same as in HMM is stupid. Why do we need another series like this? This is because the spin-off will tell a completely different story.
@Sameen: the fact is that we are already watching the second season of the series. What is excusable in the first season causes a facepalm in the second. And getting off the ship on an unfamiliar shore without putting at least a hammer or a knife in everyone's hands is not even stupidity for superheroes. The heroes of BHM have already faced considerable difficulties from both zombies and humans, it's time to take off the rose-colored glasses. Well, in my humble opinion. >The characters are still trying to remain human, to preserve humanity. well, one does not interfere with the other, let them keep it, with a hammer in their hand)
@Kassia: Well, in the first season everything was bad at all - it was just the beginning there, and comrade Travis offered a zombie neighbor "are you sick? Can I help you? we will cure you"))))) And Madison's mom decided not to tell her daughter anything at all under the pretext of "no, don't, but suddenly everything will pass, there's no need to scare Alicia like that"))) So now the picture is much brighter))) About the hammer, I agree. That would be very appropriate, but let's put it down to the fact that Travis had it under his belt, we just didn't see it :)
@Sameen: That's why I'm season 1 (and not only) I consider season 1 to be the wildest facepalm'om is basically the whole thing and the fact that he was pulled out of it to such a more or less good series in season 2 is wild progress.
Oh, that's it... it's just a pity that the children were not taken away, although that on the boat "ass is close" that on the island. Although it would be more reliable on the island. And in general, the island in my opinion was ideal for "sitting out".
I caught myself thinking that it's not the walkers in the series about walkers that scare me, but people, actually not only here, but in general, man is the scariest monster. I wonder who the black captain contacted.
The beginning turned out to be tense: how the walkers climbed ashore and the children came to play on the shore 😱 Nothing, gradually each character grows over with skin. It was in the first season that they did not know what to do and where to run and only poked like blind kittens. And now not everyone has an understanding of what is possible and what is not and what consequences there may be for everyone. And Alisha is just a pretty girl 😜
At the very beginning, I was ready to close my eyes, because I thought that these zombies would bite the kids. And I'm glad that didn't happen. It would be too creepy. This is one of the advantages. Now I'll run through the moments I didn't like. First of all, I can't understand a mother who wants to hand over her own children to the first people she meets, because it's safer that way. Hey, you're only familiar with them, but are you ready to entrust your child's life? No, Mom, I don't understand you. Probably, the reason for my not remembering the names of many heroes is not at all a bad memory (I really hope so), but a lack of brightness of the characters. If the hero is good, then the name will be remembered by itself, but for some reason even the favorites are not found here. And it's sad. So come on, characters, unwind, don't be bland, you're in the sea after all x) And this grid and cleaning of zombies stirred up memories of HMM, and I tried my best not to compare HMM with BHM. Bummer, however... well, I'm waiting for Jack)
I hope all the main characters will die and the series will be about the only adequate character for all the episodes of this series - the owner of the boat. The series is about how NOT to behave in a zombie apocalypse.
I don't understand why they filmed the second season. For what? Well, everyone would have died there during the cleaning (it would be cool). What's the point of dragging your feet? What will the characters do next? Run and escape from evil people and walkers like Rick and the others? Then this running will last for 7 seasons. It reminds me of something, doesn't it? It was interesting, of course, to look at the beginning of the epidemic, but one season would have been enough. I was really waiting for those "villains" to come and kill half of the heroes...
A surprisingly decent series, and against the background of hell from part 1 and the pilot, it's a leap forward at all, the scene with the soldiers is the best in all 8 seasons, through the prism of children's perception. And finally, surprisingly, all the stupidity and illogic were reduced (or tried) to a minimum here. But on a budget, yes. But finally there are no forests or fields, so be happy.
No, seriously, I even scored the whole series for this episode, but I feel like now everything is going to be very bad again.
With regard to the characters, I can't understand, apparently it's about caste, everything is sad, the only one alive is a junkie, he's not an idiot and at the same time not a cynic, and that's good.
An interesting digression into history, when the son of a drug addict seems to mention "jonestowning" in relation to the family on the island, referring to the sect of Jim Jones, who in 1978 gathered all his followers who founded the city of Johnstown, and as a result of the sermon convinced most of them to commit a "revolutionary act of suicide" by taking poison - 909 the dead, plus he shot himself, and his wife took cyanide, a total of 911. However, such a number appeared in the rescue service earlier, in 1967, it seems, so these are the curiosities.
отличная серия, нравится, что не тупо мертвячину показывают, а показывают обычных людей, со своими мыслями и проблемами, которые просто пытаются выжить, не являясь при этом какими-то супергероями.
Я правильно понимаю что если бы Ник не пошел обыскивать дом (видимо из-за своей наркозависимости) и не нашел таблетки, то маленькая девочка бы этого не увидела, и соответственно не приняла бы их?
очуметь, только сегодня смотрел рекламу "Поп-тартс" из любопытства, в которой был рисованный тостер с 4 слотами и к этой рекламе был вопрос, мол существует ли такой тостер на самом деле? и вот он ответ на десятой минуте(:
на самом деле сюжет очень даже ничего. приятно видеть другую стадию этого зомби-апокалипсиса, где еще есть некий намек на доверие между людьми, на какое-то осмысление ситуации. и это сильно контрастирует с бесконечной беготней Рика и ко по лесам, у которых вообще не было времени, только бежать-бежать-бежать. хотя кончается в обоих сериалах все как всегда плачевно. и наркоша стал кстати доставлять, он самый вменяемый, ну еще негр. и латинос еще конечно неплох. а вот остальные… очень многие уже тут заметили, что персонажи никакие, они не цепляют, к ним тяжело привязаться и следить за ними как-то неинтересно. черт, да тому же Рику в ХМ ты начинаешь сочувствовать еще в первой серии, а под конец сезона за каждого члена группы ведь жутко переживаешь. ну может не за каждого, но за половину так точно. а тут второй сезон, а я даже имен не помню. вот что печально. надеюсь, что все-таки в этом плане будет прогресс, потому что смотреть пока немного, эм, скучновато.
Пока от сезона очень странные и смешанные впечатления. Вот вроде и нравится, что действие проходит в новом месте, новые желторотые герои, общая динамика, но что-то как-то не то. И всё не могу понять, в чём же дело. Пожалуй, персонажам не хватает яркости (или актёрам), т.к. пока на них смотреть довольно скучно: ну ещё учатся, забавно, но сами они ничего из себя не представляют. Их вроде пытаются раскрыть через такие вот серии, однако получается слабо. И опять не понятна причина — сценаристы халтурят или после сезонов ХМ уже ничего не удивляет. Дальше, история с семьёй весьма неплоха, но вновь не дожали: пробирает только момент в самом начале серии, а потом приходит безразличие.
В общем, если 1 сезон радовал первыми днями заражения, то сейчас требуется что-то новое и своё. Очень надеюсь, что сериал разгонится.
И опять ничего про самолёт... После 6-и сезонов Ходячих, когда мы видели, на что способны люди, я как минимум безразлично отношусь к попыткам спасти кого-то. Сериал мог иметь с таким сюжетом боьший успех, если бы он шёл где-то в районе 2-го сезона Ходячих...
Был бы плоттвист, если бы они просто уплыли, а семья продолжила бы себе жить, но такого в Ходячих не бывает. Кого герои встретят - тут же помирать начнут. Было очевидно, что детей они не заберут, но хотя бы спасибо за то, что парень с мальчиком живы. Но девочка очень вовремя и очень глупо умерла. Повторюсь: дети в этом сериале невероятно тупы. А так - серия показалась более жуткой и интересной, чем первая.
This Alicia has a very poor range of emotions, or rather, there are only two of them: confusion and despondency. I want to tell her - you're a beautiful girl, and your hair is fine, but maybe it's time to start playing better? But she probably can't.
Everyone is so drawn to the Nickname, no, the character is cool and well played, but to call him adequate? Hmmm. Just one comment about the fact that he actually flashed the pills to the poor girl and left them in an easily accessible place.
The footage of zombies rising from the surf is very beautiful, in the best traditions of HMM.
Daniel is an economic sweetheart, it makes my heart glad to see how businesslike he is. And for Chris, a good example, biopaps are of little use, tolkio walks on his heels and whines.
I realized why the local characters are so unpleasant to me compared to the heroes of the Walkers: they don't care about each other. In the walkers, even in the first seasons, they worried and tried to help each other, were gentle and careful with each other, although they were strangers to each other, and barely met. Here, they don't seem to care about each other, only the parents worry about the children, and Nick and Alisha seem to be fine - everyone else, even Madison and her kind-of-boyfriend Travis, seem to be completely strangers to each other. They don't try to help, they don't support, although they seem to be all relatives. They only think about themselves. I've been waiting for this to change, and I'm still waiting, but it's kind of unpleasant to watch.(
Usually, when someone goes away from his family somewhere, something happens. That's how I immediately thought of Chris. Oh, this Captain Jack Sparrow))) The uniform suits this shaggy guy Nick. And for some reason the series "The Last Ship" reminds me. And what the hell? Why did a dead man stuck in the sand grab a crab? And why would Grandpa shoot into the crowd, thereby attracting attention?
@Blackly: SPOILERS!!!!!! I'M TERRIBLY SORRY, FOR SOME REASON THE STUPID PHONE OPENED THE PREVIOUS EPISODE INSTEAD OF THE NEXT ONE!!! BUT I DIDN'T SEE IT, I'M BLIND!!! THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THIS HAS HAPPENED TO ME, but there is no way to edit it...
on the one hand, saving children, etc., of course, is good... but on the other, I agree with the driver. Children are a ballast. We can see this perfectly well from the main series - Sofia, two sisters from prison, Rick's lover's boy from Alexandria, a bunch of third-plan children, and the same Carl... Judith alone is adequate, and then not always. A lot of problems because of the children.
An exemplary family, a father who wanted to poison everyone on the sly and a mother who secretly wanted children, without saying goodbye to her father and brother, to send (although her motive is clear to me). The father and the eldest son are morons.
I don't think Victor has any sinister plan that could harm those who are with him on the ship. The grandfather rummaging through his things is a little annoying.
Mom, dad, ex-junkie,
Lexa + another teenage mug,
Black captain asshole,
And the guy is a fisherman.
For some reason, it was in this series that the special effects were very striking, well, something quite budget-friendly: some kind of strange starry sky, this long painted pier at the end... Along which the infected mother somehow hobbled quickly, because the group ran to the boat (?) Or they argued for so long...
in general, despite the nagging, the series is on the level.
Ага, особенно мамаша неизвестна. Всего лишь засветилась у двух грандов современных сериалов, Курта Саттера и Дэвида Саймона в Сынах Анархии и Треме соответственно. Я уже молчу про всякие дедвуды, лосты и карточные домики.
Я знаю, просто специально именно по сериалам с ней прошёлся и ещё далеко не все упомянул. Но уже первых двух достаточно, чтоб объяснить некоторым, что там за актриса "второго плана".
Ну вообще да, в "Пекле" его хорошо помню. "Фонтан" меня в своё время отговорили смотреть, объявив возможно самым неудачным творением Арановски. "Кокаин" как-то мимо прошёл...
Songs: Ohia – Coxcomb Red
У них еще у всех будет возможность проявить себя в сюжете, уж будьте уверены! Драмы еще будет предостаточно, это я вам гарантирую, как давный читатель разных комиксов Киркмана.
Персонажи могут тупить, быть слабыми, глупыми и во всех отношениях несовершенными, делать ошибки - как по мне, так это все простительно. Они не могут только одного - быть неинтересными. Я даже не могу сказать сказать, что они мне не нравятся, они мне безразличны: ноль сопереживания, ноль эмоций.
А сюжет нормальный. Если выпилить всех, запилить новых, то покатит)
А вот про "неинтересность" - это вообще главная характеристика на TV для сериалов, о чем даже критики понять не могут (точнее они скучные сериалы то как раз порой оценивать могут высоко). Главное - чтобы зрителю было интересно смотреть - это стержень. Верно подмечено, как я всегда считал, худшее - это не ненависть или любовь, а когда тебе наплевать, нейтрально, Никак.
Посмотрим.
Phew.
The children thought that these pills were a cure for the "disease". What the boy was talking about to Nick when he showed his toys.
The island is far from safe, especially when you consider that 200 zombies against 5 people, two of whom are just children and one dying woman. As for Alicia, let her go for a walk. What she did was a stupid mistake, but still, who doesn't make them? Moreover, there is no way to fix it, but is she now sitting on a yacht and killing herself? For a second, the apocalypse caught everyone unexpectedly, few people were preparing for it, much less were ready. Naturally, it is difficult for Travis to observe such a sharp transition from how his beloved child becomes an insensitive butcher.
Nick is wonderful, I agree with that:
I disagree with the rest, but I won't argue)
BHM - that's not about the zombie apocalypse at all, as for me. And about people and human relationships in a critical, terrible situation. The characters are still trying to remain human, to preserve humanity. And they don't always succeed, but the development of characters is still visible. The whole season is still ahead, the creators promised notable changes for each character. I am personally satisfied with what I see so far. It's not HMM, and expecting the same as in HMM is stupid. Why do we need another series like this? This is because the spin-off will tell a completely different story.
>The characters are still trying to remain human, to preserve humanity.
well, one does not interfere with the other, let them keep it, with a hammer in their hand)
About the hammer, I agree. That would be very appropriate, but let's put it down to the fact that Travis had it under his belt, we just didn't see it :)
I wonder who the black captain contacted.
Nothing, gradually each character grows over with skin. It was in the first season that they did not know what to do and where to run and only poked like blind kittens. And now not everyone has an understanding of what is possible and what is not and what consequences there may be for everyone. And Alisha is just a pretty girl 😜
This is one of the advantages. Now I'll run through the moments I didn't like.
First of all, I can't understand a mother who wants to hand over her own children to the first people she meets, because it's safer that way. Hey, you're only familiar with them, but are you ready to entrust your child's life? No, Mom, I don't understand you.
Probably, the reason for my not remembering the names of many heroes is not at all a bad memory (I really hope so), but a lack of brightness of the characters. If the hero is good, then the name will be remembered by itself, but for some reason even the favorites are not found here. And it's sad. So come on, characters, unwind, don't be bland, you're in the sea after all x)
And this grid and cleaning of zombies stirred up memories of HMM, and I tried my best not to compare HMM with BHM. Bummer, however...
well, I'm waiting for Jack)
The series is about how NOT to behave in a zombie apocalypse.
I was really waiting for those "villains" to come and kill half of the heroes...
No, seriously, I even scored the whole series for this episode, but I feel like now everything is going to be very bad again.
With regard to the characters, I can't understand, apparently it's about caste, everything is sad, the only one alive is a junkie, he's not an idiot and at the same time not a cynic, and that's good.
However, such a number appeared in the rescue service earlier, in 1967, it seems, so these are the curiosities.
и наркоша стал кстати доставлять, он самый вменяемый, ну еще негр. и латинос еще конечно неплох. а вот остальные… очень многие уже тут заметили, что персонажи никакие, они не цепляют, к ним тяжело привязаться и следить за ними как-то неинтересно. черт, да тому же Рику в ХМ ты начинаешь сочувствовать еще в первой серии, а под конец сезона за каждого члена группы ведь жутко переживаешь. ну может не за каждого, но за половину так точно. а тут второй сезон, а я даже имен не помню. вот что печально.
надеюсь, что все-таки в этом плане будет прогресс, потому что смотреть пока немного, эм, скучновато.
В общем, если 1 сезон радовал первыми днями заражения, то сейчас требуется что-то новое и своё. Очень надеюсь, что сериал разгонится.
После 6-и сезонов Ходячих, когда мы видели, на что способны люди, я как минимум безразлично отношусь к попыткам спасти кого-то. Сериал мог иметь с таким сюжетом боьший успех, если бы он шёл где-то в районе 2-го сезона Ходячих...
А так - серия показалась более жуткой и интересной, чем первая.
The footage of zombies rising from the surf is very beautiful, in the best traditions of HMM.
Daniel is an economic sweetheart, it makes my heart glad to see how businesslike he is. And for Chris, a good example, biopaps are of little use, tolkio walks on his heels and whines.
In the walkers, even in the first seasons, they worried and tried to help each other, were gentle and careful with each other, although they were strangers to each other, and barely met.
Here, they don't seem to care about each other, only the parents worry about the children, and Nick and Alisha seem to be fine - everyone else, even Madison and her kind-of-boyfriend Travis, seem to be completely strangers to each other. They don't try to help, they don't support, although they seem to be all relatives. They only think about themselves. I've been waiting for this to change, and I'm still waiting, but it's kind of unpleasant to watch.(
Oh, this Captain Jack Sparrow))) The uniform suits this shaggy guy Nick.
And for some reason the series "The Last Ship" reminds me.
And what the hell? Why did a dead man stuck in the sand grab a crab? And why would Grandpa shoot into the crowd, thereby attracting attention?
I'M TERRIBLY SORRY, FOR SOME REASON THE STUPID PHONE OPENED THE PREVIOUS EPISODE INSTEAD OF THE NEXT ONE!!! BUT I DIDN'T SEE IT, I'M BLIND!!! THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THIS HAS HAPPENED TO ME, but there is no way to edit it...
Mom quickly turned into a zombie, and reached the pier. Where's Dad? Did she eat it? Well, it's a pity for these two brothers, of course.
but on the other, I agree with the driver. Children are a ballast.
We can see this perfectly well from the main series - Sofia, two sisters from prison, Rick's lover's boy from Alexandria, a bunch of third-plan children, and the same Carl... Judith alone is adequate, and then not always.
A lot of problems because of the children.