Mihrimah, it seems, will be worse than Hurrem. She wouldn't have to face her own daughter head-on. And how does Hatice imagine her future life without a divorce? Very stupid. She does not hate Hurrem so much, she has always treated her mostly with sympathy, and then suddenly not only accuses her husband of cheating (and here in general Hurrem), but also in one night she so hated that she is ready to continue living with a disgusted husband, and become a laughing stock for everyone. And all to get the Hurrem. Nonsense. I don't understand Suleiman. He and Gulphem agreed, and they themselves suggested that the harem should be run by Hurrem. Well, Gulphem then changed her mind, although why, no evidence was provided to her, word against word. But what is Suleiman clinging to? First of all, he seems to love Hurrem so much and wants to please her so much, so why does he find fault with her every step, she hasn't done anything like that yet. Secondly, when he appointed her, did he not know that she would not send him girls? Is this the first time, the first day? Why was he so surprised-everything was completely expected and natural, it was clear to the horse, but for some reason it was not clear to the great Padishah. Also nonsense. I would like Hurrem to somehow attract Afife-Khatun to his side, so it would be more interesting.
@Sehnsucht: hahah, yes, I really agree about greed. Not only that, she can never talk to the sultan just like that, always she either has a reason to tell about someone nasty (usually not without her participation and accomplished), or she asks for something. So even as soon as everything gets better, it would seem, live and rejoice, as Hurrem is urgently needed....the chambers!!! Well, just an apartment question in the Topkapi Palace, I laugh so hard every time))
@nens8_8y: Yes, it's terribly funny! as little as that-my chambers, my chambers! ))
By the way, when I was in the Topkapi Palace, we were very surprised where all these vast rooms from the movie were. The harem is quite small in our opinion. :) It is not clear where there was so much to wander, and even get lost.
My main complaint to Hurrem (except for the disgusting appearance) is this greed. Well, you have reached the position, enjoy, smile, show generosity, kindness. But no, MALOOOO! And it is necessary right now. Not an option if you have to wait and work on getting what you want, no, right now! It seems that she has some kind of race with obstacles, but where is the final that would suit her-it is not clear. But if she didn't get into trouble so much, she would be less bullied.
Maybe this is the main idea: that her life is unhappy, because she has never been satisfied with what she has? I have long read a book about Roxolana, the impression remained that despite her powerful influence, the woman never relaxed, did not feel calm, every day she built intrigues and repelled threats so that neither she nor the children would be killed. Maybe they convey this idea in such a peculiar way? :))
Ah!! The Sultan has yielded! Damn, what a rag, right here is not moguuuu... outraged! Hurrem, I've made my decision! The solution! He frowned. And then he's like, all right, stay in your quarters.
@Sehnsucht: Yes laaaaadno??? And I read on the contrary: up to 2000 women lived in the harem at the same time. This is only for women, not counting all kinds of servants. Where did they live if there wasn't enough room? In the series, the extras from the strength of 30 people, one common room for all and then forever half-empty. And all there only young-beautiful, periodically change. Where did, for example, the former favorites like Gulfem or she is one unique and because Suleiman is not interested in anyone, then he just gets a new ride, they will stay for a couple of years and go out? I'd read that Valide had a private mansion on the harem grounds, not exactly a suite. Maybe not everything is open to the public?
Appearance - I can't keep silent. Not only that, Uzerli is not the first beauty even among the caste (the same Mahidevran - well, isn't it a picture?? How to exchange it for such a habalka, I'm sorry?), it's not even that. Under certain circumstances, it is very good. But she has a disgusting facial expression!!! Only she begins to beg and cry, or get angry and yell, or her eternal expression of contempt on her face (I remember the description of Narcissa Malfoy)...she becomes so ugly that it is simply impossible to believe how to fall in love with her. In general, I agree with all your thoughts. I also read once a long time ago, Nazaruk, I don't remember very well. But here from your comment even - you sympathize with such a woman, you understand her, you respect her, no matter what. And Hurrem from the TV series-not really. For the most part, she does not relax, not because something really threatens her or her children, but because she is increasingly developing paranoia, she sees herself in everyone and expects from them the same things that she does, and always invents new and new problems for herself, which she successfully overcomes. Problems that she wouldn't have had without her. Because of this, it does not cause respect, but rather-it looks ridiculous, funny and annoying.
Firuzeh is very good, similar in type to Mahidevran. Such women should be in the harem of the lord of the world-refined, elegant, well-mannered.
@nens8_8y: & gt; And I read on the contrary: up to 2000 women lived in the harem at the same time. This is only for women, not counting all kinds of servants. Where did they live if there wasn't enough room? I don't know! I'm also interested. Perhaps some mansions, such as the "house of valide", were not opened to us, but I remember the arrow "harem" and here in those rooms are ornate corridors-yes, but there was not just SO MUCH space! we went through all these rooms so quickly and were left wondering - where is all this apartment luxury, where all these thousands of women were placed?!
> that it is simply impossible to believe how to fall in love with her. dadada, I completely agree with every phrase! Mahidevaran has such delicate features, Hatije is a very proper royal face, Firuzeh. Even the minor girls are more beautiful, Fatma is much more elegant than Hurrem. Even when they're angry, they don't look like a witch. )) It's just not clear why it was chosen, how it was chosen.
Often the thought comes to me that there would be no Hurrem, there would be no heap of problems, just a heap. Everyone would live much more quietly ) And the Sultan, too. Again, it was clear in the book that Roxalana was an intelligent woman and became almost a political adviser to the sultan, that is, she carefully put some competent thoughts into his head. And Hurrem only wants to invest one thing: forget about your position, kick everyone out, let's sit for 24 hours only with me.
And where do the girls go - it seemed to me that they remain in the harem until the end of their days, then just shove them into some "old palaces", if they are already old-cleaners are always needed! I don't really know much about those customs, and I was surprised that girls could be married off... As well as the fact that it was possible to divorce Hatija. I thought women didn't have that right, it's a relief to the royal family?
@nens8_8y: Digression - Have you watched Kesem? I just happened to watch that part first. Here is the actress who played Safie Sultan there, here is the ideal of Walide's face-beautiful, subtle, regal, domineering and tender at the same time. Just in love with her! Imagine Hurrem at her age-brrrr! :)
@Sehnsucht: Хатидже мне не очень нравится внешне, хотя раньше нравилась, но вот королевским точно её лицо бы не назвала. Она у меня всегда ассоциировалась с Арвен, скорее, эльфийка, загадочная, печальная, меланхоличная, чем королева, величественная и царственная. А Фатьма вообще-вообще не нравится, считаю её одной из самых некрасивых девушек в гареме, как и Гюльшах (как их вообще туда взяли?), та же крысиная мордочка и та же противная мимика))
>забей на свою должность, всех выгони, давай сиди 24 часа только со мной -- при этом ей крупно повезло, что султан на это не купился, иначе наскучила бы она ему за две недели. С ней же нечего делать, кроме как...ну известно что. Говорить с ней не о чём, на музыкальных инструментах она не играет, не танцует, рассказать ничего не может, посоветовать или выслушать сочувственно и промолчать -- тоже. Один раз сыграла забавную комическую сценку в лицах -- всё. Духовной близости у персонажей сериала ваще никакой. А вообще да, пишут, что Хюррем не только сама советовала Сулейману (и, видимо, дельно советовала) по политическим вопросам, но и переписку политическую сама вела с иностранными дипломатами от своего лица.
Я читала, что да, если там несколько лет осталась невостребованной, то выдавали замуж, да еще приличное приданое давали и за приличного человека, не за торговца с рынка. Насколько я поняла, да -- обычно мужчине легко развестись, женщине или вообще невозможно, или трудно, по весомой причине, которую еще доказать надо, но для сестёр султана -- это легко. Опять же, как легко? Легко, если султан за. Если против, то никак, получается.
@Sehnsucht: еще эти вечные плащи с капюшоном Хатидже, у Арвен прям почти такой же был) Мне кажется, кто-то из создателей, может быть, даже сознательно такое сходство задумал.
Да, одно другого не исключает, конечно, это, скорее, акценты, что главное, а что сопутствует.
Now Suleiman not only turns Hurrem, but also his daughter. Ibrahim is just annoying. Why does he allow himself to talk to Eskander like that? And yells constantly. It would have been faster if he had already been killed. Well, I don't know, I don't know, looking at the portrait, I wouldn't say that this is the most beautiful woman =) Firuza is very intriguing. And these visions of hers... interesting, interesting
Dochulya the fire! Dad of course could not resist))) Rustem-aha, I understand this is her future husband and vizier? It will be interesting to watch the development. Hatice is really freaking out! Stay in your palace, take care of your children. So no, it's boring w. Ibrahimka is getting worse and worse. I decided to make myself a sultan! Haha! Oh, well. If you believe the story, he has a couple of years left. Mustafa why is he so relaxed and alone in the forest? Isn't it dangerous when there are only enemies around?
Видимо, теперь у неё в услужении Сюмбюль, а вместе евнухи снова будут драться больше, чем приносить пользы. Ну либо Гюля решили так красиво вывести из сюжета, что более вероятно))
To keep a life with a traitor and leave him without punishment just to prevent Hurrem from winning is stupid. She'll be tormented by herself, silly yet.
Afife and Hatice will now replace Walide, I understand.
When Hurrem said in the room," You too, Suleiman, " I narrowed my eyes! In courage and pride she has, admiration alone!! ❤ ❤
I agree with the people above, now instead of Walide will be Hatice, and instead of Dae-Afife 🙄 Hatice the fool that decided because of Hurrem (!!!) he does not divorce Ibrahim, I am sure that if he cheated once , he will change the second time. The girl from the portrait, I think, will participate in the story, maybe even (I think most likely) will not hang out with the Sultan, but in the" harem " of Ibrahim together with Nigar 😁 👍
I am glad that Mihremakh helped her mother, I hope that she will continue to be at the same time with her mother in the future, I would not like them to come together with their foreheads and characters. The stable boy who saved her looked at her very strangely) perhaps she will stir up trouble with him when she grows up 🤔 although for me personally this is a frightening age difference, but for those customs this is the norm and just right
I really want to highlight the scene with Mustafa and Elena, the only place in the series where I smiled and my heart melted❤️ although I don't like Mustafa, it's very nice and I want them to get married ❤
And last of all, Firuzeh. She scares me with her introductions and her "divine hand" and those tattoos. Personally, I feel very sad when the sultan deliberately ignores Hurrem and hurts her, I hope that her secrets will be revealed quickly and she will leave😒
I will not answer under the comment above, but Hurrem "far from the first beauty" with disgusting facial expressions has been warming my heart for several years and as for me, it is easy to fall in love with her
Вот и Рустем объявился, 2-ой мой любимый персонаж после Ибрагима, собственно после смерти Ибрагима, только из-за Рустема и смотрела сериал, ну и ещё на полную деградацию Суслика прикольно было смотреть, совсем с катушек слетит!
Хюррем знатно поистерила в начале серии, выглядела очень неприглядно. Заявления в стиле "сходи к Нигяр, поучись быть женщиной" и намеки на семейную жизнь втроем, это вообще очень грязные методы. А как известно, грязные методы это признак отчаяния. Очень позабавил момент, когда Хюррем уже открыла рот, чтобы сказать очередную гадость, но или передумала или слов не нашла, и все это выглядело как неудавшийся чих. Не думаю, что Хатидже решила не разводиться с Ибрагимом лишь из-за Хюррем, скорее всего, подсознательно она уже допускала мысль не расставаться с ним и, тем самым, сохранить ему жизнь, а предложение Сулеймана подумать еще раз и ситуация с Хюррем лишь склонили чашу весов в нужную сторону. Доказательством того, что у Хатидже еще есть чувства к Ибрагиму является её реакция на известие о его ранении. Не поняла претензий комментаторов к Афифе, она же не по собственной инициативе явилась в гарем, прослышав, что там черти что творится. Её туда вызвали, не могла же она отказаться и ответить письмом а-ля " Повелитель, вы же помните о моем возрасте? Я стара, дряхла, хворями замучена, какой с меня вам толк?" Удары по пяткам - очень болезненное наказание, сейчас оно используется только в качестве незаконных пыток. Я удивлена тем как быстро Гюльшах оправилась после него и бегает по гарему, выполняя поручения Хюррем. Не иначе как Шекер-ага проявил милосердие и передал ей локума с добавлением опиума. Махидевран думает лишь о том, что Хюррем придется туго, когда Мустафа прибудет во дворец, чтобы временно принять на себя обязанности отца. Ей и в голову не приходит, какая это огромная ответственность, что сын может с ней не справиться, опозориться перед отцом и всеми, кто видит в нем наследника.
Vinogradova_ss, думаю у Фирузе есть и свои собственные планы в гареме)
Ох Сюмбюль, когда злится, такой горячий😥 Рустем такой булочка, кажется с ним Михримах быстро забудет Балибея.
- Сюмбюль Ага! - Чтоб на тебя камень упал размером с Сюмбюля Агу.
Вот что что, а в отношениях с людьми нужен азарт, которого не могут дать заурядные наложницы, лишь Хюррем исключение. Вот и Елена, не будучи знакома с Мустафой, без тени сомнения посмеялась над ним, теперь то он ее не забудет. Даже не верится, что эта скромная бабуля такой зверь.
P.s. Почему первые полчаса серии шли собития из предыдущей?
And how does Hatice imagine her future life without a divorce? Very stupid. She does not hate Hurrem so much, she has always treated her mostly with sympathy, and then suddenly not only accuses her husband of cheating (and here in general Hurrem), but also in one night she so hated that she is ready to continue living with a disgusted husband, and become a laughing stock for everyone. And all to get the Hurrem. Nonsense.
I don't understand Suleiman. He and Gulphem agreed, and they themselves suggested that the harem should be run by Hurrem. Well, Gulphem then changed her mind, although why, no evidence was provided to her, word against word. But what is Suleiman clinging to? First of all, he seems to love Hurrem so much and wants to please her so much, so why does he find fault with her every step, she hasn't done anything like that yet. Secondly, when he appointed her, did he not know that she would not send him girls? Is this the first time, the first day? Why was he so surprised-everything was completely expected and natural, it was clear to the horse, but for some reason it was not clear to the great Padishah. Also nonsense.
I would like Hurrem to somehow attract Afife-Khatun to his side, so it would be more interesting.
By the way, when I was in the Topkapi Palace, we were very surprised where all these vast rooms from the movie were. The harem is quite small in our opinion. :) It is not clear where there was so much to wander, and even get lost.
My main complaint to Hurrem (except for the disgusting appearance) is this greed. Well, you have reached the position, enjoy, smile, show generosity, kindness. But no, MALOOOO! And it is necessary right now. Not an option if you have to wait and work on getting what you want, no, right now! It seems that she has some kind of race with obstacles, but where is the final that would suit her-it is not clear. But if she didn't get into trouble so much, she would be less bullied.
Maybe this is the main idea: that her life is unhappy, because she has never been satisfied with what she has? I have long read a book about Roxolana, the impression remained that despite her powerful influence, the woman never relaxed, did not feel calm, every day she built intrigues and repelled threats so that neither she nor the children would be killed. Maybe they convey this idea in such a peculiar way? :))
Ah!! The Sultan has yielded! Damn, what a rag, right here is not moguuuu... outraged! Hurrem, I've made my decision! The solution! He frowned. And then he's like, all right, stay in your quarters.
Firuzeh is a real beauty. I'm afraid for her now!
I'd read that Valide had a private mansion on the harem grounds, not exactly a suite.
Maybe not everything is open to the public?
Appearance - I can't keep silent. Not only that, Uzerli is not the first beauty even among the caste (the same Mahidevran - well, isn't it a picture?? How to exchange it for such a habalka, I'm sorry?), it's not even that. Under certain circumstances, it is very good. But she has a disgusting facial expression!!! Only she begins to beg and cry, or get angry and yell, or her eternal expression of contempt on her face (I remember the description of Narcissa Malfoy)...she becomes so ugly that it is simply impossible to believe how to fall in love with her.
In general, I agree with all your thoughts. I also read once a long time ago, Nazaruk, I don't remember very well. But here from your comment even - you sympathize with such a woman, you understand her, you respect her, no matter what. And Hurrem from the TV series-not really. For the most part, she does not relax, not because something really threatens her or her children, but because she is increasingly developing paranoia, she sees herself in everyone and expects from them the same things that she does, and always invents new and new problems for herself, which she successfully overcomes. Problems that she wouldn't have had without her. Because of this, it does not cause respect, but rather-it looks ridiculous, funny and annoying.
Firuzeh is very good, similar in type to Mahidevran. Such women should be in the harem of the lord of the world-refined, elegant, well-mannered.
I don't know! I'm also interested. Perhaps some mansions, such as the "house of valide", were not opened to us, but I remember the arrow "harem" and here in those rooms are ornate corridors-yes, but there was not just SO MUCH space! we went through all these rooms so quickly and were left wondering - where is all this apartment luxury, where all these thousands of women were placed?!
> that it is simply impossible to believe how to fall in love with her.
dadada, I completely agree with every phrase!
Mahidevaran has such delicate features, Hatije is a very proper royal face, Firuzeh. Even the minor girls are more beautiful, Fatma is much more elegant than Hurrem. Even when they're angry, they don't look like a witch. )) It's just not clear why it was chosen, how it was chosen.
Often the thought comes to me that there would be no Hurrem, there would be no heap of problems, just a heap. Everyone would live much more quietly ) And the Sultan, too. Again, it was clear in the book that Roxalana was an intelligent woman and became almost a political adviser to the sultan, that is, she carefully put some competent thoughts into his head. And Hurrem only wants to invest one thing: forget about your position, kick everyone out, let's sit for 24 hours only with me.
And where do the girls go - it seemed to me that they remain in the harem until the end of their days, then just shove them into some "old palaces", if they are already old-cleaners are always needed! I don't really know much about those customs, and I was surprised that girls could be married off... As well as the fact that it was possible to divorce Hatija. I thought women didn't have that right, it's a relief to the royal family?
>забей на свою должность, всех выгони, давай сиди 24 часа только со мной -- при этом ей крупно повезло, что султан на это не купился, иначе наскучила бы она ему за две недели. С ней же нечего делать, кроме как...ну известно что. Говорить с ней не о чём, на музыкальных инструментах она не играет, не танцует, рассказать ничего не может, посоветовать или выслушать сочувственно и промолчать -- тоже. Один раз сыграла забавную комическую сценку в лицах -- всё. Духовной близости у персонажей сериала ваще никакой. А вообще да, пишут, что Хюррем не только сама советовала Сулейману (и, видимо, дельно советовала) по политическим вопросам, но и переписку политическую сама вела с иностранными дипломатами от своего лица.
Я читала, что да, если там несколько лет осталась невостребованной, то выдавали замуж, да еще приличное приданое давали и за приличного человека, не за торговца с рынка.
Насколько я поняла, да -- обычно мужчине легко развестись, женщине или вообще невозможно, или трудно, по весомой причине, которую еще доказать надо, но для сестёр султана -- это легко. Опять же, как легко? Легко, если султан за. Если против, то никак, получается.
Соглашусь, что есть сходство. Просто Арвен для меня была и королева тоже. :)
Да, одно другого не исключает, конечно, это, скорее, акценты, что главное, а что сопутствует.
Ibrahim is just annoying. Why does he allow himself to talk to Eskander like that? And yells constantly. It would have been faster if he had already been killed.
Well, I don't know, I don't know, looking at the portrait, I wouldn't say that this is the most beautiful woman =)
Firuza is very intriguing. And these visions of hers... interesting, interesting
Rustem-aha, I understand this is her future husband and vizier? It will be interesting to watch the development.
Hatice is really freaking out! Stay in your palace, take care of your children. So no, it's boring w.
Ibrahimka is getting worse and worse. I decided to make myself a sultan! Haha! Oh, well. If you believe the story, he has a couple of years left.
Mustafa why is he so relaxed and alone in the forest? Isn't it dangerous when there are only enemies around?
It's time for Granny Afifa to retire, she came to help. Here they do not live in peace.
I don't understand why, having become the manager of the harem, Hurrem still hasn't returned Gul-aga?
Afife and Hatice will now replace Walide, I understand.
When Hurrem said in the room," You too, Suleiman, " I narrowed my eyes! In courage and pride she has, admiration alone!! ❤ ❤
Hatice the fool that decided because of Hurrem (!!!) he does not divorce Ibrahim, I am sure that if he cheated once , he will change the second time. The girl from the portrait, I think, will participate in the story, maybe even (I think most likely) will not hang out with the Sultan, but in the" harem " of Ibrahim together with Nigar 😁 👍
I am glad that Mihremakh helped her mother, I hope that she will continue to be at the same time with her mother in the future, I would not like them to come together with their foreheads and characters. The stable boy who saved her looked at her very strangely) perhaps she will stir up trouble with him when she grows up 🤔 although for me personally this is a frightening age difference, but for those customs this is the norm and just right
I really want to highlight the scene with Mustafa and Elena, the only place in the series where I smiled and my heart melted❤️ although I don't like Mustafa, it's very nice and I want them to get married ❤
And last of all, Firuzeh. She scares me with her introductions and her "divine hand" and those tattoos. Personally, I feel very sad when the sultan deliberately ignores Hurrem and hurts her, I hope that her secrets will be revealed quickly and she will leave😒
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Не думаю, что Хатидже решила не разводиться с Ибрагимом лишь из-за Хюррем, скорее всего, подсознательно она уже допускала мысль не расставаться с ним и, тем самым, сохранить ему жизнь, а предложение Сулеймана подумать еще раз и ситуация с Хюррем лишь склонили чашу весов в нужную сторону. Доказательством того, что у Хатидже еще есть чувства к Ибрагиму является её реакция на известие о его ранении.
Не поняла претензий комментаторов к Афифе, она же не по собственной инициативе явилась в гарем, прослышав, что там черти что творится. Её туда вызвали, не могла же она отказаться и ответить письмом а-ля " Повелитель, вы же помните о моем возрасте? Я стара, дряхла, хворями замучена, какой с меня вам толк?"
Удары по пяткам - очень болезненное наказание, сейчас оно используется только в качестве незаконных пыток. Я удивлена тем как быстро Гюльшах оправилась после него и бегает по гарему, выполняя поручения Хюррем. Не иначе как Шекер-ага проявил милосердие и передал ей локума с добавлением опиума.
Махидевран думает лишь о том, что Хюррем придется туго, когда Мустафа прибудет во дворец, чтобы временно принять на себя обязанности отца. Ей и в голову не приходит, какая это огромная ответственность, что сын может с ней не справиться, опозориться перед отцом и всеми, кто видит в нем наследника.
Vinogradova_ss, думаю у Фирузе есть и свои собственные планы в гареме)
Рустем такой булочка, кажется с ним Михримах быстро забудет Балибея.
- Сюмбюль Ага!
- Чтоб на тебя камень упал размером с Сюмбюля Агу.
Вот что что, а в отношениях с людьми нужен азарт, которого не могут дать заурядные наложницы, лишь Хюррем исключение. Вот и Елена, не будучи знакома с Мустафой, без тени сомнения посмеялась над ним, теперь то он ее не забудет.
Даже не верится, что эта скромная бабуля такой зверь.
P.s. Почему первые полчаса серии шли собития из предыдущей?