@Benmackenzie: The first seasons were a bit short, but 3.4 and 5 are much better. But wiretapping is still better. Only here it's more about patrolmen, and there it's purely about the work of detectives and the streets.
@5richi5: The wiretapping is good, and I also agree that the last seasons are juicier there, but the series are completely different. There's also a great "Shield" to remember.
@funt7k: it's just that the series is really vital, and life doesn't end, the story about cops and crimes is eternal, so it's impossible to end such a series normally, you can only stop. That's why it looks blurry. We could keep shooting indefinitely, Cooper may survive, or he may die, Ben may continue to deteriorate, or he may come to his senses and become a good cop again... Old people will die and retire, new cops will appear... Such a series is really impossible to logically end.
Definitely the best series in the genre of crime drama. I watched all 5 seasons with great interest and felt a lot of emotions. Alas, the ending left many questions. I wish there were more such series.
It's not the ending I was expecting. I wasn't expecting the finale at all, to be honest, and as far as I'm concerned, I could have shot a couple more seasons, because these five look at the same breath. There are almost no comments on the episodes, which is typical - I immediately turned on the next one, there's no time to discuss what's next, how are they, the guys on the street? But all the same, I don't think the characters deserve such a farewell, especially sorry for Cooper, of course. But Ben, though not sugar himself, is not such a bastard as he was made out to be.
@5richi5: What's stupid about? Saved Cooper's life, he won't talk to him. He covered for Sammy, who wanted to turn him in. If I were Ben, I would stupidly get out of the police: well, he doesn't give a damn about risking his skin for the sake of some damn nerves.
In general, the last couple of episodes are nonsense. John and his partner with experience are being snatched up by dumb meth drugs, and Ben commits an act that is not typical of himself at all and wants to destroy the tape. I didn't like the way the series ended at all. I've been holding the bar for all five seasons, and now for those...
@OlegSamok: Come on, tension between teammates is always a problem, and that's what led to Coop stepping in. as they say, there can be a hole for an old woman, but for Ben, the last two seasons have led to this, he made very serious mistakes over and over again, but without consequences for him, so he got arrogant.
Really, one of those shows that was worth the time spent watching it. It's a pity that there is no sequel, the finale, I agree with many, is blurred. And the ending is so-so. I wanted to get better characters at the finale, but the story of Cooper and Ben's development is so wrong, and that's the whole point, if there had been a sequel, probably everything would have returned to normal for them, but they were thrown to the very bottom and the finale, the end, the curtain, somehow sad ... But the series is solid, high-quality, and the actors played simply beyond praise.
The series is good, but the ending is a disappointment. Of course, it's good that they cut it off like that without the possibility of speculation by the viewer, but it could have been made more epic.
for some reason, I thought Cooper would eventually die, good cops always die, I feel sorry for him, some kind of devastation after the finale, I don't know what to watch now)
@mynameisbang: Well, about the cops and the streets, after all. But I agree the series are different, although the wiretapping looks much more real. There's also a good movie about patrolmen, "Patrol" seems to be called, and Pena and Jillinhol are in the lead, if I'm not mistaken
Sherman's motives and actions can be understood, because if the video evidence where he tried to calm his wife down, to put it mildly, could be leaked (Sherman understood that this would definitely happen and decided to settle it) No one knew that in the future, the intermediary Jesko would injure the babysitter and Sammy would go off the rails. - There is only one verdict! "It's Sammy's fault that he didn't destroy the dirt on himself and Sherman. (Sherman was just trying to fix everything)
AND THE MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION THAT MANY DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO IS ABOUT COOPER.:
Cooper is a policeman himself (plus or minus 30 years of experience) and knows firsthand that making unnecessary movements with a weapon in his hand is the same as passing a death sentence on himself. When a patrolman orders him to get up, he does it with a JERK AND WITH A GUN IN his HAND - this act of his says that he was aware of everything and knew that he was going to be shot (i.e. the conclusion that he wanted to die) WHY DID COOPER WANT TO DIE? Because the recent events, where his partner dies (with whom he became close friends and where Cooper arranges for him to come out, talks about a lot). Plus, even after the death of his partner, his ex-wife refuses to conceive a child with him. It drove him to the edge. If you haven't noticed, we've been shown for a whole season (hinting to Cooper) that you need to have a loved one by your side using the example of his old mentor and mentor. (as a result, he went to his wife and accepted an old offer to become a donor for his son. IS COOPER DEAD? No! In the last scenes where Cooper is shot, it is clear that the bullets are not fatal, because they hit precisely in the ribs and near the liver. When he fell, he moved without convulsions and did not bleed from his mouth. He did not lose consciousness. With fatal wounds, a person does not move at all, because the body
At a birthday party a few episodes ago, a kid, the son of a gangster, was also shot. And the hospital said that he would not survive, although he was breathing, clutching a toy policeman in his hands. So it was made clear here that he chose to die rather than wait for you to put a bullet in your head.
The mentor also attacked Cooper, saying, why the hell did he give the gun away, The man was on the verge of death, and this alconaut is telling him off
@IIIu6ko: The recruit is not very good here. There is little seriousness there. rather, he is closer to Brooklyn 9-9 than to wiretap or Southland. I was stuck on season 5, after Southland I tried to continue three times - but I couldn't watch these comical antics and attempts.
@ProntoHERO: I also dropped out on season 5 just because of the clowning. The first 3 seasons were not bad. They kept the line between comedy and drama. In season 5 or at the end of season 4, I don't remember anymore, I already started catching kringe and dropped it against this background.
@IIIu6ko: I completely agree about the first seasons. And the topic is interesting, how the old man runs around with the young. But it's a pity that they rolled down to this :(
Well, the scriptwriters have the right to do that, although I expected a better ending for Cooper. The brightest spot of the series. And even without this death (or injury?) The narrative is gloomy.
It's easier with Ben - it's not the first time the partners have quarreled, and then everything got better, so I think this is just another stage. We've seen this before. Ben will be forgiven, they will continue to ride together. I even thought that this would be the saddest note, but for some reason they showed a scene with Cooper.
And I'm just happy for Lydia. At least there are no surprises here.
About Lydia, they hinted at some possible romantic relationship with her former partner, because she was disappointed in the child's father and he was no longer mentioned.
It's a very good series. I liked the first seasons a little more - there were more characters, they had some kind of a more solid, thoughtful story outside of work, but in general, the series did not lose all five seasons in quality, it looks great. Cooper is infinitely sorry (The best character in this series, in my opinion, did not deserve such a finale, but how they brought it to this and showed it, it looks very vital. I am very happy for Lydia and Russ. From the very beginning of the series, their relationship was like a ray of light for me in the realm of endless violence on the streets. And I love how the creators ran this story from the beginning of the series to the very end. Well, I can't help but mention Dewey. Sometimes a very impatient character, but very colorful, which gave a zest to the series. Five seasons didn't seem enough, I would have followed the characters with pleasure.
One of the best TV series in recent times. I've wanted to see it for a long time. After the children's "rookie", I just missed the bitter life on the screen.
@Choly_Cavel: another of the old awesome "Shield" is with Chiklis, and "The Third Shift" (but there are also firefighters and paramedics, although the last seasons are almost entirely about the police).
@Acritas: many people write here. And of course, I've bumped into the Shield more than once. But I don't like the main actor. Although of course every role can change an attitude, I only remember it from the Fantastic Four)
@Choly_Cavel: Take a look, you won't regret it. Walton Goggins is not particularly pleasant there, but he also fits in seamlessly. After all, the series about dirty cops is not up to sympathy.
Apparently, there was supposed to be a sequel, and season 5 was not planned to be the final one. Yeah, that's not what I expected, of course.… I'm grateful to the finale only for the hint of Lydia and Russell's relationship, I've been shipping them since the first season, I didn't even expect him to return to the series, but here's how it turned out)
The ending was leaked, but that doesn't stop the series from being wonderful for me personally. Over the course of the series, my opinion of some of the characters has changed a lot, and those I used to respect, I began to despise by the end (Hi Sherman)! I really liked that they were playing an important moment of the series at the very beginning.
One of the few series in which nothing and no one bothered, and which was just not enough! I don't understand why sometimes in TV series they pour from empty to empty for almost decades, and something worthwhile is closed for some unknown reason. Sammy is all charm, Ben is all disappointment (although he was initially muddy).
@Choly_Cavel: agree. Ratings are sometimes created by the most ardent fans, who rely on willpower and love for the characters, despite absolutely impotent scenarios for some 12-15 season.
I found the series after watching Gotham, when I decided to see where else Ben McKenzie was filming. And from the description, it seemed to me that this would be a more or less standard police procedural, maybe somewhat reminiscent of Castle, Novice, or Lucifer (although he also slightly breaks out of the standards due to supernatural setting).
Oh my God, I've never been so wrong! Naturally, approaching the viewing with such expectations, the series quickly plunged me into the brutal reality of what was happening on the screen. And it seems that it wasn't until the second or even third attempt (I stumbled on seasons 1-2) that I managed to get into the atmosphere, the filming, the level of drama, and the grim realism of police work. All this makes him one of the best representatives in his genre.
But I think this is an underrated project and there are doubts that it can (or could) reach a mass audience due to the high level of brutality.
I've been watching the last couple of seasons literally in one gulp for several days, and the further I went, the clearer it became that there wouldn't be a good ending or a completed story, which is what happened in the end.
The ending did not disappoint, it looked slightly crumpled, but we tried to close the branches of the main characters as much as possible.
I was expecting a different ending. I feel sorry for Cooper, but you can understand him, there's too much shit piled on him. Sherman started blundering towards the end. Sammy went a little bit after killing Nate (his partner), and his wife certainly annoyed him a lot. And he fucked up with the tape himself, the man stood up for him risking everything, and he still hasn't gotten rid of the tape.
I watched it in one breath. I was reminded of the movie Patrol, starring Pena and Gyllenhaal, which is also a great film adaptation.
At the top of the debate, which is better: Wiretapping or Southland.
As they say, there is no companion for taste and color! To each his own. The Wiretap is higher on my personal list. But that doesn't mean this one is bad. It's quite high-quality, not boring, you can safely watch it, you won't waste your time for sure.
To everyone who just started watching, enjoy watching. ✌🏻
What an amazing series it is in its naturalness, in this shooting with a shaking camera, in the way the civil service and police work are shown. There is a feeling that they wanted to shoot more, but they turned around halfway along the way as best they could. I'm really sorry for Cooper, I watched so many cop shows, he made me feel like I was looking at a real cop, he looked so convincing in this role. Probably, if the series had been filmed further, he would have survived. But the whole season was brought up to the theme of loneliness and isolation, and John committed suicide by someone else's hands, if I may say so. I'm glad Sammy and Ben aren't partners anymore. Sammy has messed up a lot, of course, but he is still the hero who is tormented by his conscience, and this is important. Ben Sherman, what can I say except that Ben McKenzie is an amazing actor. Who would have thought that the blond-eyed young man who handed out business cards to everyone in the first seasons would turn into such an asshole that you'd dislike the sight of him. But this also needs to be shown, how people become callous in such work, how they become part of the system, part of the problem they wanted to influence. The ending is interesting for Lydia, I don't know if it meant that she and her former partner would be together, but I liked that she began to devote time to herself and her son and became imbued with love.
The ending is crumpled, but the meaning is clear and good: nothing changes, "all panel dramas are like a stencil," some bandits are replaced by others, it is impossible to help everyone, and the most difficult thing is to remain human.
Well, it's a pity, of course, that the series ended so abruptly and openly, but you can understand: they were closed, most likely, for a number of reasons, including rigidity, directness, realism, a completely different reality as opposed to "glossy" propaganda, and from the third season the scriptwriters began to go overboard with drama, obviously complicating the characters, thereby sinking to an exorbitant blackness.
You can talk a lot about heroes, although the main message is simple: they are also people, each with their own cockroaches and demons. Sherman, in fact, remained between heaven and earth, doing both good and bad deeds. Unfortunately, he had no luck with mentors. Cooper has so forgotten himself with his back and drugs that he is wildly offended by Ben for saving his life by sending threats for treatment. Sammy, instead of mentoring him, first started bullying him, and then he was ready to frame him altogether, admitting to having a record of his own stupidity.
In general, Sammy is the weakest and most spineless character. One can only wonder how he got a detective in the first place. While Nate was alive, he obviously dragged their pair on himself. He died, and Sammy went completely broke. He also had the nerve to hit Ben...
Lydia... Well, everything is clear here: pregnancy, childbirth, hormones, so her behavior can be attributed to this, she has done a lot of mistakes.
I really feel sorry for Cooper: he's a good guy, but he's got bad luck on all fronts. He is also overly stubborn, which in many ways provokes this very bad luck. I would have driven around with Sherman, and everything would have been better than it turned out. Indeed, pride is a grave sin...
So the summary is this: this is the strongest series I've ever seen. But still, for the mentioned shortcomings - 4.5 stars.
Discussion: Season 5, Episode 10 Join the Discussion
57I wasn't expecting the finale at all, to be honest, and as far as I'm concerned, I could have shot a couple more seasons, because these five look at the same breath. There are almost no comments on the episodes, which is typical - I immediately turned on the next one, there's no time to discuss what's next, how are they, the guys on the street?
But all the same, I don't think the characters deserve such a farewell, especially sorry for Cooper, of course. But Ben, though not sugar himself, is not such a bastard as he was made out to be.
But the series is solid, high-quality, and the actors played simply beyond praise.
AND THE MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION THAT MANY DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO IS ABOUT COOPER.:
Cooper is a policeman himself (plus or minus 30 years of experience) and knows firsthand that making unnecessary movements with a weapon in his hand is the same as passing a death sentence on himself.
When a patrolman orders him to get up, he does it with a JERK AND WITH A GUN IN his HAND - this act of his says that he was aware of everything and knew that he was going to be shot (i.e. the conclusion that he wanted to die) WHY DID COOPER WANT TO DIE? Because the recent events, where his partner dies (with whom he became close friends and where Cooper arranges for him to come out, talks about a lot). Plus, even after the death of his partner, his ex-wife refuses to conceive a child with him. It drove him to the edge. If you haven't noticed, we've been shown for a whole season (hinting to Cooper) that you need to have a loved one by your side using the example of his old mentor and mentor. (as a result, he went to his wife and accepted an old offer to become a donor for his son.
IS COOPER DEAD? No! In the last scenes where Cooper is shot, it is clear that the bullets are not fatal, because they hit precisely in the ribs and near the liver. When he fell, he moved without convulsions and did not bleed from his mouth. He did not lose consciousness. With fatal wounds, a person does not move at all, because the body
I'll roll out my little list.:
1. Wiretapping / The Wire [https://myshows.me/view/37 /]
2. The Rookie [https://myshows.me/view/57484 /]
3. The Mind Hunter [https://myshows.me/view/52794 /]
4. Bridge / Bron / Broen [https://myshows.me/view/23864 /]
5. True Detective [https://myshows.me/view/26428 /]
"Mentalist"
"Chicago Police"
"Chestnut Man"
It's easier with Ben - it's not the first time the partners have quarreled, and then everything got better, so I think this is just another stage. We've seen this before. Ben will be forgiven, they will continue to ride together. I even thought that this would be the saddest note, but for some reason they showed a scene with Cooper.
And I'm just happy for Lydia. At least there are no surprises here.
Cooper is infinitely sorry (The best character in this series, in my opinion, did not deserve such a finale, but how they brought it to this and showed it, it looks very vital.
I am very happy for Lydia and Russ. From the very beginning of the series, their relationship was like a ray of light for me in the realm of endless violence on the streets. And I love how the creators ran this story from the beginning of the series to the very end.
Well, I can't help but mention Dewey. Sometimes a very impatient character, but very colorful, which gave a zest to the series.
Five seasons didn't seem enough, I would have followed the characters with pleasure.
I'm grateful to the finale only for the hint of Lydia and Russell's relationship, I've been shipping them since the first season, I didn't even expect him to return to the series, but here's how it turned out)
Oh my God, I've never been so wrong! Naturally, approaching the viewing with such expectations, the series quickly plunged me into the brutal reality of what was happening on the screen. And it seems that it wasn't until the second or even third attempt (I stumbled on seasons 1-2) that I managed to get into the atmosphere, the filming, the level of drama, and the grim realism of police work. All this makes him one of the best representatives in his genre.
But I think this is an underrated project and there are doubts that it can (or could) reach a mass audience due to the high level of brutality.
I've been watching the last couple of seasons literally in one gulp for several days, and the further I went, the clearer it became that there wouldn't be a good ending or a completed story, which is what happened in the end.
The ending did not disappoint, it looked slightly crumpled, but we tried to close the branches of the main characters as much as possible.
I watched it in one breath. I was reminded of the movie Patrol, starring Pena and Gyllenhaal, which is also a great film adaptation.
At the top of the debate, which is better: Wiretapping or Southland.
As they say, there is no companion for taste and color! To each his own. The Wiretap is higher on my personal list. But that doesn't mean this one is bad. It's quite high-quality, not boring, you can safely watch it, you won't waste your time for sure.
To everyone who just started watching, enjoy watching. ✌🏻
There is a feeling that they wanted to shoot more, but they turned around halfway along the way as best they could.
I'm really sorry for Cooper, I watched so many cop shows, he made me feel like I was looking at a real cop, he looked so convincing in this role. Probably, if the series had been filmed further, he would have survived. But the whole season was brought up to the theme of loneliness and isolation, and John committed suicide by someone else's hands, if I may say so.
I'm glad Sammy and Ben aren't partners anymore. Sammy has messed up a lot, of course, but he is still the hero who is tormented by his conscience, and this is important.
Ben Sherman, what can I say except that Ben McKenzie is an amazing actor. Who would have thought that the blond-eyed young man who handed out business cards to everyone in the first seasons would turn into such an asshole that you'd dislike the sight of him. But this also needs to be shown, how people become callous in such work, how they become part of the system, part of the problem they wanted to influence.
The ending is interesting for Lydia, I don't know if it meant that she and her former partner would be together, but I liked that she began to devote time to herself and her son and became imbued with love.
The ending is crumpled, but the meaning is clear and good: nothing changes, "all panel dramas are like a stencil," some bandits are replaced by others, it is impossible to help everyone, and the most difficult thing is to remain human.
You can talk a lot about heroes, although the main message is simple: they are also people, each with their own cockroaches and demons. Sherman, in fact, remained between heaven and earth, doing both good and bad deeds. Unfortunately, he had no luck with mentors. Cooper has so forgotten himself with his back and drugs that he is wildly offended by Ben for saving his life by sending threats for treatment. Sammy, instead of mentoring him, first started bullying him, and then he was ready to frame him altogether, admitting to having a record of his own stupidity.
In general, Sammy is the weakest and most spineless character. One can only wonder how he got a detective in the first place. While Nate was alive, he obviously dragged their pair on himself. He died, and Sammy went completely broke. He also had the nerve to hit Ben...
Lydia... Well, everything is clear here: pregnancy, childbirth, hormones, so her behavior can be attributed to this, she has done a lot of mistakes.
I really feel sorry for Cooper: he's a good guy, but he's got bad luck on all fronts. He is also overly stubborn, which in many ways provokes this very bad luck. I would have driven around with Sherman, and everything would have been better than it turned out. Indeed, pride is a grave sin...
So the summary is this: this is the strongest series I've ever seen. But still, for the mentioned shortcomings - 4.5 stars.