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Catherine the Great — s01e04 — Episode 4

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Duration: 55 min.
Released: 03.10.201904.10.2019 04:00
Watched by: 1 11641.92%
1 season
s01e04
s01e01 - Episode 1
s01e02 - Episode 2
s01e03 - Episode 3
s01e04 - Episode 4

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Nikquest
Nikquest
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05 Oct 2019, 02:43 #
Utter disappointment. Not that I was just waiting for this minik, but I wanted to see the fitness with such a cast and in this historical layer. As a result, almost a third of the timekeeping of the series is some kind of sad fuck and intrigue, the Empress herself is presented as a pretentious and sarcastic grandmother with quirks, who pleads for pseudo-progressive things, who only by some miracle does not allow herself to be fooled by cunning crooks, and also does not quite look like the real Catherine. It seems that even Helen Mirren is pretty overdoing it, at least some of her antics and giggles left a bad aftertaste. And the sex scenes with her... yeah.

From the pros: budget, fucking pompous decorations and majestic costumes. But they also drive the series into deliberate theatricality, which still belongs on the stage, where such conventions and excessive pomp are easily forgiven. And you watch it on the screen - and you can't help but wonder from which closet that fur coat and those leggings were taken out, from which British court these bleached wigs were pulled off, how thick a layer of great-grandmother's powder actors were painted, what kind of history textbook decorators were beaten on the head, that they stuffed an overabundance of luxury everywhere. In the theater, it would all look much more appropriate than on the screen, especially with such a weak plot and the general weakness of the dramatic part. It's no joke, some of the main events are not shown here, but are described by the credits, and the empress herself is shown quite strangely.

In short, it's a shame.
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Ittanni
Ittanni
05 Oct 2019, 04:03 #
As for me, our version that in Russia 1 is shown much more accurately, well, at least the dates indicate the place of events, and the actors are more suitable. Helen Mirren, of course, is a great actress, but Marina Alexandrova I like much more in the role of Ekaterina
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Natale
Natale
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05 Oct 2019, 12:10 #
@Ittanni: I totally agree, there are enough joints in our version too, but it's still nicer to watch it)
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Natale
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06 Oct 2019, 00:36 #
after watching this creation, the conclusion is that Catherine was made into some kind of slut, but in fact she was not so bad
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Irena_Turner
Irena_Turner
25 Apr 2021, 23:58 #
@Natale: what's the slut about?) The fact that Ekaterina constantly changed favorites much younger than herself? This is a well-known fact. But her personal life in no way downplays what she has achieved
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ElenaHougen
ElenaHougen
06 Oct 2019, 02:34 #
How many pseudo-historians of hypocrites gathered in the comments. Moreover, for some reason, representatives of the well-known Russian Hollywood did not like it, which shoots an Oscar-winning story once a year. But I could have confused something. The series itself is amazing. There may be a lot of claims to historical correspondences, but this is not a documentary. Of course, there will be exaggerated dramatic turns and, possibly, deliberate distortion of facts. However, that's not the point. The plot is about a Queen, madly alone in her huge palace, like any typical monarch. But a little more lucky: she still had a true love. "We are united. Forever." Although no one ever found out about it. A very sad ending. I didn't see excessive affectation or an insane number of bed scenes here (let's admit in the 21st century that a man and a woman have sex). The Church no longer condemns for this. The apogee of the tragedy occurred when the Great Catherine, once the mighty Empress of All Russia, valiant Mother and great ruler, just lay on the floor and died like a dog while her stupid son searched the shelves in search of documents. Of course, he got what he deserved after a couple of years, but the scene itself is disgusting in its contempt for what is about to die. It was very nice that they decided not to end the series on this. At the end, a remote church appears before us, in which the sacrament takes place under the chants of a funny buffoon. This is encouraging. it was very nice to spend time not with the series, but with Ekaterina. which is rightly underestimated by stupid compatriots. In the series, she was not defamed in any way, not humiliated in any way, but on the contrary - tied to her even more. This brought tears to her eyes when she was completely alone. Without his ever-hysterical Grishenka. But they will still meet again in that little church to laugh at everyone again.
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abichaker
abichaker
06 Oct 2019, 14:39 #
the actress for the role of Catherine was not very picked up : with
a in general, you can see
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sad_targaryen
sad_targaryen
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16 Oct 2019, 17:27 #
Despite the historical inaccuracies, everything looked very beautiful and large-scale. It's very good that they spoke normal English, as it was in the Chernobyl TV series, and did not try to portray a Russian accent. And I also liked that they filmed in our palaces, only sometimes it looked strange when they had meetings, and the Peter and Paul Fortress was very close to the window, where is such a palace in St. Petersburg that Petropavlovsk is so close? The Winter Palace is located across the Neva River from the fortress, so. Or were they constantly in the Catherine Palace in Tsarskoye Selo? Then it's even more weird. It seems to me that it was possible to make a little more episodes, after all, Catherine's reign was long, there were so many events, and they were 34 years old, well, a little less, stuffed into four episodes. I liked Helen Mirren, to be honest, I can't even imagine who else can play her from Hollywood actors.
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Beth_Terner
Beth_Terner
17 Oct 2019, 01:21 #
And from the very beginning, I couldn't get rid of the idea that the Strip would have coped much more colorful
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Hedgehogloves
Hedgehogloves
17 Oct 2019, 17:30 #
After watching the trailer (and the name itself), I thought there would be more of Catherine.
Of course, you can't fit the entire board in four episodes.
I would call the series "The Love of the Empress" or something like that, because there is little about the board, a lot of sharp omissions.
Very beautiful scenery.
I really liked the ending.
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Beth_Terner
Beth_Terner
22 Oct 2019, 00:30 #
I watched these endless 4 episodes for more than two weeks. It was terrible, it was all terribly offensive, ugly, overplayed. Unbearable
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Vitos_2021
Vitos_2021
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29 Oct 2019, 04:31 #
In this mini-series, only the love line of Ekaterina and Potemkin is normally prescribed. Everything else is in a heap, mixed up and mixed up. Awkward storylines. And even if you forget about authenticity, then a lot is unclear because of the crumpled narrative. Who is Pugachev? Why the riot? Why Potemkin is one-eyed in one episode, and then walks. as if nothing had happened? Why and where do so many palaces come from? If you don't know, it looks like one solid joint. It is unlikely that foreigners will distinguish the Catherine Palace from Peterhof or the Winter Palace, or Pavlovsk, where Pavel lived.
I think that the foreign viewer, who is not familiar with the history of Russia at all, did not understand anything. Eh, after Chernobyl... It's a pity, of course. The series is for a weak three.
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Di26
Di26
31 Oct 2019, 22:45 #
You have to be an infinitely stupid person to evaluate an art series from the point of view of history:DDDD In fact, I'm not talking about our guys from the maishous, but from the kinopoisk, we have normal guys, the maishous community rules!
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DemonaZZ
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01 Nov 2019, 16:35 #
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Vitos_2021
Vitos_2021
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14 Nov 2019, 05:23 #
@Di26: первое, что я писал про Чернобыль - что это не документальный, а художественный сериал. Но, всё-таки авторы Чернобыля максимально точно, насколько могли воспроизвели события. Тут же абсолютно всё понамешано. Так небрежно тоже нельзя, или надо изначально заявлять, что это вольная интерпретация истории.
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mmurza
mmurza
04 Nov 2019, 00:07 #
Сегодня меня постигло разочарование...

Хелен явно не Екатерина. Совсем.
Хотя, как актриса прекрасна.

Если рассматривать сериал, как выдуманную историю то не плохо. Но! Это все таки история. Даже если это художественный фильм, он все равно основан на истории! А тут.. даже слов нет. Смешали просто все, все все все...
ещё и Екатерину представили, не как великую императрицу, а как не пойми кого. Да, при ней было падение нравов, да, она любила мужчин.. много мужчин. Но и так же она была Великой. И многое сделала для страны. Тут же раскрыли ее как себялюбивую, капризную немку... единственное нравится любовная линия с Потемкиным

Сам сериал не плохой, и картинка выдалась красивой) но я не почувствовала России, от слова совсем. С первых минут не поверила в происходящее. Чего (в принципе)можно было ожидать, но после «Чернобыля» надеялась на лучшее)

...В итоге просто провела 4 часа наблюдая за красивым, но непонятным балаганом у себя на экране, пытающимся выдать себя что-то стоящее....
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mmurza
mmurza
04 Nov 2019, 00:09 #
Думаю, что люди не знающие истории не поняли, что вообще происходило.. кто? от куда? где? зачем?
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Vitos_2021
Vitos_2021
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14 Nov 2019, 05:19 #
@mmurza: да, так и есть.
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sp_cat
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17 Nov 2019, 20:43 #
Не "Война и мир" от BBC - и на том спасибо!

А вообще надо просто рассматривать сюжет отдельно от правления и дворцов, сосредоточившись просто на любовной истории двух людей. В этом ключе - неплохо, но в целом всё равно такое себе, конечно.
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oceanrosy
oceanrosy
19 Nov 2019, 05:29 #
не ожидала, что сериал окажется такой дешевой мелодрамой
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Alfalibra
Alfalibra
09 Dec 2019, 17:45 #
Не особо интересно.
Хотя столько всего можно было наснимать. С их бюджетом и командой.
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AnastasiaS7
AnastasiaS7
17 Dec 2019, 04:58 #
4/10
Не стоит смотреть тем , кто интересуется историей. Сюжет - карикатурный взгляд на историческую персону исключительно под углом любовных и сексуальных утех. Красивые локации съёмок , хорошая игра именитых актёров , но что сказать , если в православной церкви императрица толкает речь - выглядит смешно, и это лишь капля в море. Очень разочарована , тк я ожидала нечто невероятное , а оказалось просто нечто .
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sheypa
sheypa
07 Apr 2020, 01:36 #
Знаю, что придирка, но их дебильные Мату'шка и Гришэ'нька резали ухо невообразимо.
Я все понимаю, но не умеешь не берись. Зачем было вообще впихивать в сценарий слово, которое никто на съемках не знал как произнести, ну или великая Хелен Миррен не смогла выучить ударение в ОДНОМ русском слове, использованном на весь сериал ...
Как фак ю орать, так артикуляция на уровне.
Очень разочаровало.
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HACKER777
HACKER777
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23 May 2020, 20:13 #
Екатерина много всего сделала правильного, но много всего неправильного, как и большинство правителей. Но то, что она была "шлюхой", по современным реалиям - это факт. Даже в этом сериале, который точно не отличается исторической достоверность, ведь он художественный, не были упомянуты многочисленные любовники Екатерины ||, она была намного распущеней, чем Европейские короли в то время, хотя они были ого-го... Насчёт сына, она вообще поступила сильно опрометчиво.. Зачем его лишать любви, ведь его бабушка и так не давала им видится. Она решила также поступить и со своим внуком.. Хотя её сын, при своём правлении, сделал очень много положительных действий, в особенности то, что он сильно упразднил выдачу наград, привилегий знати и отменил различные налоги для простых крестьян. Чего она не могла сотворить.. А только потакала знати. Но прискорбно то, что Павла убили также, как и его отца. Для меня он был намного более значимым персонажем в истории, чем его описывают. Также в истории упоминается, что Павел, также, как и его мать, собирался покончить с рабством!
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Alexies
Alexies
03 Jun 2020, 04:37 #
Разочарование
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NayaLuk
NayaLuk
10 Jul 2023, 15:27 #
Честно можно только как фоновый звук смотреть🤷🏻‍♀️
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