The ending did not disappoint, although it left a residue. We almost guessed everything, because with each episode there were new hints. But this did not reduce the effect of excellent acting (Lee Seung-gi is just a master!), wonderful shooting (not without mistakes, but where without them) and a confusing script. Mu Chi, selling eggs - the best) It is very good that they showed how the heroes continue to live years later. For me personally, this is a multi-valued movie, the whole drama has developed into a kind of detective philosophical thriller.
Ahaha, I agree with you 😃 Mu Chi and eggs are strong!)
Personally, I, the whole drama, was infuriated about Bo Ni. And as for me, the most hypocritical character! Let's not forget that she killed the doctor (even though we already know that they would have sacrificed him anyway, even if it hadn't been for her) and at least for a minute she would have repented of it, confessed I don't know damn. Of course, she was avenging her grandmother, but still, no matter how you look at it, this is a murder and, as it turned out, the murder of an innocent person. I waited until the last moment that she, like everyone else, would confess her sin and repent, but alas ... no (((and therefore she disgusts me even more than a psychopath, at least he has a diagnosis!
I am very glad, of course, that Syngi had the opportunity to play such an interesting role, but in general, about the series from the 4th (and for the most patient and naively believing in the best, like me, from the 9th already completely), the drama remained interesting mainly due to the patchwork cutting of storylines and omissions, in which the screenwriters, alas, sometimes got confused themselves (I never found the answer about the button in the photo). The main idea of these 20 episodes, if I understood the writers correctly, is "evil must be nipped in the bud, regardless of such trifles as human rights and freedom of choice, and then you see what bullshit comes out for 20 episodes" — I did not go to nausea and rage. Firstly, the law was adopted without ever thinking at all that in addition to the sociopath Barym, there was also a genius Yekhan, who was a scapegoat all the way. Let's kill these children for the company, too, cho, myzhhumanists. Secondly, OK, you abort women who have become registered, but what about those who, maybe, will spend the entire pregnancy in the basement and give birth in the field? What about immigrants, re-immigrants, and so on? And-pa-ba-ba-bam, the cherry on the cake — what about those sociopaths who have already been born? Thirdly, and this is the main thing, the two most sociopathic of the entire flood of maniacs in this story, because of which about as many people died as because of Han, if not more, were Han's wife and Choi Yunshin-normal people, according to Dr. Lee's theory and the adopted law. Dr. Lee, by the way, would also do well to kill himself against the wall. It is completely unknown whether Barym would have become a murderer if he had not been pushed to this in every possible way, but on the contrary, they would have thrown all their forces at the development of genius. Lack of empathy is not equal to the desire to kill, but how to name those who kill for lack of empathy is still a question.
@Iti: damn, yes, even if they did not give birth to such a maniac as bvrym, there will still be murders, some but there will be, I even feel a little sorry for barym, he is not to blame that he is the son of a murderer, his own mother refused him as soon as she gave birth, and he was accused of killing another family. Although he did not have anything to do with it And became a Monster because they also found everything for him to sign this fucking law .it's a pity that Poor ye han was also enraged that they forgot about the fact that he was a genius, even that secretary said it would be better if he was a monster, she was the main thing to sign the law, she didn't care about the other people and the murders that happened, if she had let them talk to barym, maybe he didn't die, he thought that bvrym killed his family
As Seungi promised, she gasped almost all the way: a-a-a-a-a, a secret-secret organization that took not even one, but as many as three group photos, a-a-a-a. Not, well, at least what to expect from morons with tattoos, of course.
A-a-a-a, Dr. Lee and the Fifth Amendment, s-s-s-s. Well, yes, well, Korea and the United States have one constitution for two countries. I wonder if the translators will rewrite it into Russian, or will they still think a little?
So no one told Khan that his mice were not viable. And he himself, apparently, just transplanted the brain and threw this good into the water, really, what difference does it make who will live there for how long after the operation. It turns out, by the way, that the journalist sent Choi Yunshin a recording of the operation from the time of experiments, when Han had no result - he had already sent a successful mouse to Dr. Lee from prison. Nevertheless, this under-operation convinced her to fall on her knees before the Khan, although there were no guarantees for anything. And this is an infinitely stupid scenario move that covers a whole layer of interesting ideas. Although Yunshin could have already told the nation at that moment that both Barym and Yekhan were murderers, they say, my super team of excellent detectives gathered evidence and we wanted to arrest everyone, but they killed each other on the basis of competition, so vote for me, that's how cool I am - I'm happy about you while you sleep and don't blow your mind. Guys, I'm giving you a branch of the plot development, don't thank me.
@Iti:no, she fell to her knees because she didn't have enough murders or something, she was on her hands that he became the son of the nation and she wanted to get the law signed in this way
We are waiting for the final ! But still I was struck by the fact that Barym made the right choice ! And the secretary in the White House is still a strategist 😡
The expected end, but everything somehow turned out to be crumpled I didn't understand a little about the journalist...why did she help lure the victim? And in general, she was somehow given little...It was she who came up with the idea of using Barym for murders together with Dr. Lee
and this secretary of the president actually achieved her goal, the new president passed this bill, but why did no one say in the end that the gene of a psychopath and the gene of a genius are identical? After all, people just ran to vote on the general wave of impressions. another question arose: why did mothers decide to exchange children? What's the point?
Lee Seung-gi is just a crash, he played 100% in this drama% I also liked the plot in principle)
@RumL: the "genius" of the idea of exchanging children was that it would allegedly be easier to kill someone else's child if he suddenly really starts to become a maniac. I can only explain this by the fact that both mothers, against the background of terrible stress and hormones, completely pulled off the roof, so they decided that this was a great work plan
@RumL: Taste and color, yes, but I'd rather not see) Because it's literally a couple of phrases of Khan and 15 minutes of a sobbing child (also nidayboh with words that in the voiceover with an attempt to convey crying generally cut in the ears). But I really didn't have enough explanations for why she didn't hand over the basement for Khan's experiments at a conscious age (
@RumL: the journalist seems to have replaced only one victim, probably in order to survive, Khan killed his brother. They exchanged so that the other could kill the child, because he is a stranger. But they miscalculated that the child can become their own if you bring him up, Barym's mother and his father are worth each other, of course
It's good that I immediately looked at who the screenwriter was, so I didn't expect anything good and just giggled over the next turn and reproduction of maniacs by practically budding. But, perhaps, at this point I will stop with the work of this lover of prescribing organ transplant operations almost on the knee.
I agree with the comment above, the idea that one has only to strangle all the maniacs in the bud and everything will immediately heal in the beautiful Korea of the future is terribly burnt. Not to mention how wonderful it is that once again left-wing people decide what women should do with their bodies.
The only thing I would look at is a black comedy about the life of this organization for tracking maniacs. Knocking out the budget if necessary to cover up the true goal, recruiting new agents in style: - You will serve your country and keep an eye on maniacs. - In the sense of collecting evidence so that they can be planted later? - No, to make sure that they act like maniacs. - ... And at the end of each quarter there are screams full of hatred that the ward has not fulfilled the norm for murders again, so no one will receive a bonus. Because you can't really watch this game anyway.
@Iti: her name is Choi Ran and she is also a screenwriter for Black, from whom I also spat a lot. I know that a lot of people like Black, but it was creaking for me, and the end did not sew a mare's tail at all, as for me. The mouse was an attempt to give her a second chance, but apparently we don't match up at all
@Shis: I agree, I also had a hard time watching both Black and the Mouse. In my opinion, the ending in Black is very strange and does not answer the main questions: how can you remember something that never happened, whether the hero remained a reaper or not, how saving the heroine's father is connected with erasing the hero from the time line, what happened to all the other heroes after all these manipulations, etc. and so on. The list can be continued indefinitely. Here we were given at least some answers, but it still did not make the drama one of my favorites - they overreached, as they wrote above.
I was waiting for the drama as soon as I found out about the exit, I honestly thought that with such a theme, the story would capture and be gorgeous. The first episodes were really interesting, but then I barely watched them. You know, there is a feeling that they overreached, first they overreached, and then they underreached. The final episode is not bad. Lee Seung-gi undoubtedly played his role perfectly, the rest is also excellent, but he still attracted attention the most. Overall, the idea is good, but the drama is for once, unfortunately.
I'm devastated, I have a lot of thoughts, but I don't have the strength to express them, these are the feelings after the drama, I roared in three streams, I was sad from the drama the last time it was after watching scarlet hearts. But damn kaaaak well kaaaak I feel like I betrayed Song Ye Han, I'm ashamed in front of him, because I also thought he was a murderer 😩
I hope the end was a foreshadowing of the fact that Barym, being a small child, received an answer from the Almighty and still became a good person, for me the end is exactly like this 💔
@Moonlight_xx:it's a pity that it was the end for barym, I also considered ye khan a murderer for a very long time until I read the spoilers of the last episodes and somewhere in the 13th-14th episodes I was already sure that he was a murderer
As soon as I saw Barym, I immediately thought that he was a psychopath, because he was very good, and with an old hairstyle he looked like a murderer pretending to be kind. But then everything turned against Yekhan... I was convinced of this, probably because I really didn't want Lee Seung-gi's character to suffer, and judging by the plot, it was clear that he would not remain happy...
But I really liked the dorama) I thought I wouldn't find a dorama about investigations better than "The Memoirist"
@Moonlight_xx: first of all, I also immediately threw suspicions at Borym, and then I was like, "Damn, dorama, do you want to say that I didn't correctly calculate the killer in two episodes? 😞". And I believed it.... I sat until the last one and was like, "What, damn, is really not a maniac?! Have we been deceived?! " And then BAM - EPISODE 14 and I was like, "I TOLD YOU!! " 😂😂 In general, this job shook my nerves significantly and I am very glad that it still exceeded my expectations, because if Yohan was a real killer, it would have been a drain : (I already wanted to be disappointed.
And, I also immediately realized that too much is being shown to us that the Khan is supposedly a beaten doctor, knows anatomy, etc. In general, everything was too sweet) That's why I assumed that, on the contrary, he investigated the case alone (as it turned out later, no), in order to either take revenge or turn over Celik. Well, for some reason I looked into his beautiful eyes and immediately thought that he was a genius 🥲
It's a very cool drama, I don't regret watching it. True, there are a lot of entanglements and every time the whole thing was turned upside down, the first drama in the suspense genre, in the last series even a little shaking from fear or just from the coolness of everything, but I don't regret it. Of course, the end was pleasant, it couldn't be any other way, but barym is still a pity, although he is a murderer, but still, if you think about it, all the misfortunes happened because his loved ones turned away from him, immediately put an end to him, because he is the son of a bounty hunter, everyone just said how bad he was, but they didn't try to help. The saddest thing is that his mother refused him first and did not regret him more than once in her life, and Song ye han died because of her stupidity and this secretary did this to children, this is someone else's life, and she ordered her to first find su ho and forced gg to kill him, but in fact she is to blame for the death of her parents, and Then I gave him anger pills through a doctor. A very unpleasant person For Me. In fact, if his own mother had not got into his life, since she left him, and mothers do not do that, then another mother would not have tried to kill him and he would not have become predators, the environment is also important, they should have prevented him, everyone is sorry for ye han, and hyun soo, and Mu chi, and Bon yi, and Baryma too, everyone in this situation can be understood. But I still think that if the surrounding people were also to blame, as with Ye Han, everyone also said how bad he was, it's unpleasant when everyone says what a monster you are, ye Han also initially wanted to give up and die, but hensu saved him. Ye Han thought ba rym killed his parents, so he wanted to kill them, as he said in the last episode, no one in the drama told anyone anything, everyone hid everything, everyone had a secret, distrust is also bad, what kind of utopia can there be if people can't open up to each other and tell the truth, also they do not trust, some rely only on themselves, if barym had been given the necessary help, everything would have gone differently, and why would the exchange of children be necessary at all if you stick to someone else's
to a child, he will become yours for you, it's not important who gave birth, the main thing is who brought up m you can't kill anyway, it was a stupid idea P. S Lee Seung-gi is becoming more and more the best actor for me, this role revealed his talent to the fullest, they say bad parents reveal acting more, and it turned out, I adore It's really a pity that his character doesn't have a good ending. The best drama. Someday I'll review it to understand better, the secretary was annoyed, I'm glad that she's done, and the last scene with seung gi was cool, I'm also sorry for Shin, I cried a lot at this moment, as in this episode 😫🥺🥰
I read somewhere that the screenwriter wrote this script for 2 years. It is sad that she did not have time to read books on the topic during this time. Perhaps if we take it as a constant that the universe of the drama is parallel to ours and do not try to apply the logic of our universe to that one, then the scenario will be wow... but it didn't work out that way for me... that's why I was constantly bombed by why this or that was happening there... I think in an attempt to make wow effects and unexpected twists, the script was shredded so that sometimes it was difficult to understand what / where / who / why X.x well, holes of logic and inconsistencies - I don't know if it's the fault of the script or an unsuccessful installation. The result of the drama is simple - what? There is a story about 3 types of test subjects, 1 was a genius, 1 was kind of a psycho and 1 was a psycho who could control himself if he hadn't been given triggers since childhood. In the end, let's have abortions for everyone. What is the logic? Ooh, what about first conducting an examination of the entire population for this gene? And see who and how? If it's expensive for everyone, maybe at least those who are in their mental hospitals and prisons? For some reason, it seems to me that the indicators would be interesting. How many psychos are NOT sitting for murder, etc. In short, either I did not understand the message, or he is some kind of heresy ^^" With all this, all the actors played great. It's a pity the script failed.
@Fenica: There were two test subjects, Khan and Barym. A genius and a psychopath. But I also agree, I felt terribly sorry for Barym. A poor and unhappy child. Yes, he was violent as a child. But by the way, I don't blame him for the rabbit. This is a common childish interest. But for the dog and the fish - yes, this was a specific revenge on my stepfather) But again, it was possible to talk to the child, and not threaten, as the "father" did and constantly shout. It is clear that OZ was also like 5 legs for a dog, and would put sticks in the wheels : (But still, the child would have a real chance to grow up +/- adequate from the moral and emotional part. About triggers, about pills that lowered his serotonin, etc. I'm generally silent.
By the way, it would be funny if Borym had depression for a long time because of terribly low serotonin, how would he behave? 🧐
@Jlucuчka: There were 3 test subjects: one born boy, the one who threw his mother off the hospital window, and who then killed single girls by putting bars on their windows. He was the first person to be killed after brain surgery. It's just that his fate and running the organization were not the focus of the series.
I feel sorry for Ye Han. If his mother had not agreed to the exchange of children, it is likely that it would have been a happy and, most importantly, a living family
The beginning was very intriguing. So many mysteries and great potential. But then it all descended into something incomprehensibly fantastic. With a bunch of leftist people, an attempt to confuse the plot, all sorts of different twists, which, to be honest, only irritated. And again, the government is to blame for everything. Well, it's kind of boring.
There is a comment above about the screenwriter. And when I saw the mention of Black, everything fell into place. It's true that everyone wore pants here, it's very amazing. In general, now I will carefully read the list of creators.
I didn't like the acting. That's all. I really like Seungi. For the most part, I only watched because of him, because he's the one I know best. But even Sonny was not pleased. And the actress playing Boney is immediately blacklisted. Although the actress is certainly not to blame that she got such an infuriating character. But it's a matter of principle.
The verdict. Wasted time. The drama is not worth it.
И финал вроде бы расставил все точки, но он случился спустя так много "вау-поворот", которые реально утомляют, что он не принес никакого облегчения. И этот законопроект, за который все боролись и носились как курица с яйцом. Да в нем дырок больше, чем в дуршлаге.
Не понять мне тех, кто недоволен. Может дорам мало в своей жизни посмотрели? Не знают с чем сравнивать? Ладно, не важно. Мне наоборот очень понравилось. И сюжет и посыл. Ли Сын Ги мне всегда нравился, очень харизматичный. Но после этого сериала посмотрела на него с другой стороны, он в моих глазах прямо вырос как актёр. Сюжет динамичный, и да, он закрученный. Но благодаря этому дорама держит в напряжении. Концовка для главного героя вполне понятна, и другой в принципе я и не ждала. Возможно в следующей жизни у него будет всё по-другому. Определённо буду пересматривать.
Потрясающая дорама!!! Она очень качественно написана, остросюжетных поворотов предостаточно, персонажи прочно запали в душу! В Голливуде за последние лет 10 ничего даже близко настолько качественного не снимали и вряд ли снимут! 10 из 10!!!
Не согласна с большинством комментариев не только к последней серии, а в принципе по ходу дорамы. На последнем эпизоде рыдала, как сучка Все это время я относилась к БаРыму одинаково ровно, меня не провели ни его взгляд из-под маски добряка в первых 10 сериях, ни чудеса гениальности до 14й, ни сплошное раскаяние вконце. Но я рыдала. Не могу объяснить ничем, кроме актерской игры на грани гениальности. ЕХана жаль до невозможности. А Чхве ХонЧжу отплатила изящно. Красивее не придумаешь. Для меня все раскрылось в последних сериях, и все нитки привели к ответам. Я, наоборот, очень восхищена сценарной работой и каких-то больших нерешенных вопросов у меня не осталось. Однозначно, один из мощнейших моментов серии - когда "оба сына" сказали одну и ту же фразу. "Ученых" среди их окружения было предостаточно. И как знать, отправился б БаРым убивать кого-то кроме кроликов, если бы его желание направили в интерес к медицине? (хотя я этого персонажа не оправдываю, но помню свои слова к первой серии - если с рождения относиться как к будущему серийнику, не ожидайте, что вырастет одуванчик). Как человек, имеющий некое отношение к науке, моментами мне было очень тяжело. Дело не в нереалистичности, тугих потугах в генетику, физиологию и психосоматику - я это пропускала мимо ушей. Дело в эмоциях. Помню в студенческое время меня очень бесили такие предметы, как биоэтика и биофилософия. Помню, как плевалась от пространных пафосных речей, замешанных на тоннах воды и масле масленом, которые эти две науки задвигали. Эта дорама доказывает их необходимость. Вообще, эта правительственная сучка победила в итоге. Закон-то приняли, как всегда, на эмоциях, ведь о гение-докторе, которого мне на протяжении всея дорамы хотелось обнять - все забыли. Не зря говорит классика - бойтесь серых кардиналов. Для меня главный посыл этого творения - любого монстра взращивает общество.
1. Учитывая масштаб сценария сериала, мне кажется в комментариях придираются уж прямо к совсем мелочам. Первые 4-5 серий вливался, но потом нить вообще не упускалась. 2. Мне почему-то вплоть до последних серий казалось раскроют третьего "психа", например, секретный убийца от организации, или чтобы прямо совсем сделать сюжетный поворот кто-то из участка, кто был с нами в течение всего сериала 3. Есть правда один маааленький минус, лично по моему мнению: это подводка судьбы БаРыма под некий замысел "Бога". Не буду вдаваться в религиозный спор, но водить "милосердного" бога в мире, где так жестоко умирали невинные люди - это необычно)))
Я смотрела много дорам. Могу сказать что эта попала в топ в своём жанре. Сын Ги был моим любимым актером ещё с Книги семья Гу, и я убедилась что не зря его люблю ❤️ он отыграл шикарно на мой взгляд. Очень интересная роль для него🖤 детектив тоже просто лапочка 😍
Я блин заплакала, когда Барым сказал О Бони что в следующий жизни он родиться нормальным. Ведь правда, он не виноват, что родился с таким геном, но то что он сделал, нельзя оправдать
От такого количества сюжетных поворотов на минуту "пленки" кружится голова. И хоть это вызывало кучу эмоциональных качель при просмотре, по крайней мере у меня, подытожив все, что было, уже постфактум, есть небольшое кол-во вопросов к развязке, некоторые моменты зафиналили чуть-чуть скомкано. Но это мелочи на самом деле, сериал все еще очень хорош.
Люблю подобные вещи за то, что они дают хорошую пищу для размышления. Каждый может увидеть своё. Не знаю, какой точно был посыл, но лично мне совсем не видится «зло нужно пресекать в зародыше». Да, по итогу общество проголосовало за этот бесчеловечный закон, но так же на протяжении всей дорамы, была заметна «несостоятельность» общественного мнения. Люди абсолютно ведомые, им сказали, что этот человек убийца, они тут же готовы были «сжигать на костре» его и всех его отпрысков. Это «общество» так же бросались на полицию за их «некомпетентность», что те не могли поймать серийников, и спокойно желали ребёнку смерти за то, что он родился не у тех родителей. При этом, нам максимально светлым и жертвенным показали Ё Хана, и сделали четкий акцент на то, что Барыма всячески подталкивали к его становлению «хищником». Потому мне показалось, что авторка как раз таки не согласна с «общественным» мнением и подобным законом. В лице секретаря и тайной «организации по взращиванию серийников» она показала, что не обязательно рождаться с геном психопата, чтобы стать монстром, и избавиться от всех психопатов не равно достичь идеального мира без преступлений и жертв. Тут нет белого и чёрного, и концовка не хэ, а что-то на грани циничного реализма. Ведь в реальности так и было бы, большинству людей проще свалить все на психопатов, убедить себя в том, что никак иначе с ними быть может, и этим оправдывать свою аморальность ведомую страхом в отношении их, чем признать то, что в действительности нет абсолютного зла и абсолютного добра. В этой дораме много как раз таких спорных с точки зрения морали моментов и действительно сложно принять чью-то сторону. Что касается дыр, «фантастики» и нелогичных вещей, может я смотрю много дорам, но привыкла закрывать глаза на такое, в угоду сюжету и смысловой нагрузке, которую для меня несёт произведение. Я, честно, редко сталкивалась с идеалом, где прям не придраться. В данном случае, для меня плюсы перекрыли минусы.
из-за многочисленных возгласов по поводу "гениальности" и "лучшего" детектива решила посмотреть. ожидания были высокие, но в какой-то степени даже оправдались. однако всё не так просто.
актерская игра - выше всяких похвал. вот это единственное, что так яро засело в душу) ли сынги - потрясающий актер. харизма, передача эмоций, внешность - все очень подошло под героя. ли хиджун тоже понравился. люблю такие роли "неправильных" полицейских-детективов. отлично сыграл, тоже не оставил равнодушия. кен суджин в сердечко просто. настолько хороша сыграла, что так переживаешь ее судьбе, аж невыносимо становилось. актриса пак чухен справилась с ролью, я думаю, но что-то не понравилась роль ее(может играла бесящего персонажа). наверно, стоит посмотреть другие ее работы. ну и мой любимый актер после этой дорамы - квон хваун. хотя его было и немного, в отличие от главных героев, но очень уж понравился. некая аура и харизма у актера заставляет интересоваться им.
насчет сюжета- ну перемудрили. слишком фантастики многовато. слишком много совпадений для продвижения сюжета( как без этого). также излишняя жестокость( без некоторых моментов можно было бы и обойтись. взять того же детектива непо: и ребенок скоро должен родиться - бац смерть).
про затянутость и говорить не буду - хватило бы и 16 серий.
однако дорама всё равно заставила продолжать смотреть и не отвлекать. это плюс.
мораль сериала расплывчатая и многие бы не согласились, но увы, такой сценарий)
да, хорошая дорама, но на один раз и не более. не понимаю тех, кто считает это самой лучшей и интересной дорамой. 4 из 5
Это вторая дорама в которой от каждой серии в голове только вопрос «чтооо??» и взрыв мозга )) первая была «Монстр». Дорама очень понравилась, про Барыма было понятно с самого начала, по моему к третьей или четвертой серии я писала про это. Но столько разных поворотов в каждой серии, мозг реально ломался от непонимания что вообще происходит 😁 Этот эксперимент над людьми псих-гений - ну это совсем за гранью, просто шок. А ведь мы не знаем, может и реально существует секретная организация и проводит над людьми подобные опыты, а может и хуже. Страшно господа 🙄 Барыма жаль больше всего в этой ситуации. Он не виноват, что родился сыном убийцы. Мать, которая отдала другой женщине, чтобы в случае чего та могла его убить 🤦🏻♀️ ОЗ которые спровоцировали ген убийцы. Им нужно было больше убийств. Короче в шоке. Но, я рада, что Барым не совсем психопат, он осознал, что натворил , сдался и умер своей смертью, а не так как например сказала Бони (вот у неё мне кажется наклонности маньячки, реалистично так убийство описала 🙄). Ли Сын Ги смотрю впервые, он просто лучший ! Просто нереально так сыграть 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Смотрите после 20 серии ещё ДВА СПЕЦВЫПУСКА есть, там многое объясняется и показ идет со стороны Барыма. После первого спецвыпуска - Барым реально психопат убийца!
@y_fint: не простил, но понял, что если бы у Борыма был обычный отец, а не с геном психа, то Борым родился бы обычным ребёнком, без всяких отклонений и тд..
Это пожалуй одна из лучших дорам, что я посмотрела. Я всё время в напряжение была пока смотрела и это очень круто, я даже после 15 серии делала перерыв, не могла вынести, что Ба Рым был хищником. Ли Сын Ги моя новая любовь, смотрела с ним его более новую дораму, он мне там понравился, но не настолько как здесь. Поняла сразу, что Ба Рым задумал убить своего отца, думаю отчасти из-за Му Чи, который постоянно так и норовил сесть в тюрьму и его убить. Вообщем я в большой любви к данной дораме и обязательно её пересмотрю, прикольно смотреть когда знаешь изначально кто убийца.
Уже прошел месяц как я посмотрела сериал! Я ничего нового не смотрю и даже не хочу начинать! Я до сих пор перевариваю этот сериал! Вот такое он произвел впечатление! Есть огромное желание снова пересмотреть, но уже в деталях присматриваться к героям и у видеть то, что при первом просмотре могло остаться не замеченным, следить за Ба Рымом, вообще актер очень круто сыграл!
Кто-нибудь может посоветовать что-то схожее по накалу страстей, перепетиям сюжета и с кучей загадок ? Уж очень понравилась "мышь", но по описаниям дорам что-то подобного не находила (((
There are so many comments on the issues of the plot in terms of the lack of logic and stupidity of the actions of some characters. And it didn't bother me, because, in my opinion, the main thing here was to show what happens to a person when he begins to see and evaluate his actions differently. What a hell guilt can be. How terrible can be the thought of never being able to receive the forgiveness of loved ones and loved ones. And how inhumane all experiments on people and their psyche are. And how terrible are the manipulations of politicians who are able to achieve the decisions they need without choosing the means. And that maniacs and fighters against maniacs can be equally immoral. And about the terrible consequences that rash decisions and mistakes of parents can lead to. That's what this series is about, not stupid directorial moves.
I really liked this moment with the rain. I like Barym and the actor. But from the point of view of the script: apparently he fell in love with her before he lost his memory? I've squandered a lot, and I can't stand it. Apparently, he didn't become a murderer because of his nature, after all? Glass, glass, glass, but I'm glad he died, it's the best deal for him, if he hadn't died there would have been an unpleasant aftertaste
In principle, I really like such dramas, confusing and complex, and I also liked this one until the moment when Barym broke the bird. Then it was already clear that Barym was not white and fluffy. For me, dorama took out the attractive Son of Gi, and on the glass at the end. I got into Barym right away, and as a result, the screenwriters made him look like a different person. Because of the promos, I still did not understand whether he felt emotions before the transplant, perhaps they were artificially suppressed, because as a child he was scared of his actions. In any case, if it weren't for the glass, I probably wouldn't have remembered the drama after a month. They screwed up and screwed up a lot of everything. Who watched it normally without rewinding, answer me even if you see this comment in 10 years. Please tell me how it happened with grandma's brooch, it was on the corpse, then disappeared, and then appeared at Barym's house.How and why? Or was it not beaten in any way? And I also think that when Bon Yi crossed the bridge in the rain and looked at the sky, she remembered Barym. Whether she was a detective or not, he still fell into their hearts, even with the fact that he turned out to be that killer. I feel sorry for Barym. Very! I'm not excusing him, but I really feel sorry for him, the Barym who was shown to us after the operation. When he came and realized that he was the killer, I feel sorry for his personality. Although I would like to have a happy ending here, but I remember that it crossed my mind that Barym was a murderer at a moment with a child. For some reason, I immediately suspected him then, because with the beacon it was clear that the doctor had nothing to do with the beacon. And the house where they discussed everything is Barym's house
It was advised by a friend who is not interested in doramas. I thought that since he looked and also advises, you need to look and did not regret it. A million dollar masterpiece)) I cried a lot, watched it for two days until 8 a.m. It's a pity for many, but I would include in the top three: Ye Han, Father (brother of the detective), Detective Xing. One of the best dramas in this genre, purely for me.
Episodes 3 through 10 were just wow, every episode finale is just a shock. Then the pace lost for a couple of episodes, and it seemed to come back again, but not with such intensity. I would like the end to be more impressive, but, on the whole, it's good.
A very cool drama, hooked from episode 1, but the end was very sad. I hoped so much that Borym would not have been a murderer, but it turned out that it was him.. poor Boney, Moochie and Yehan.. one was killed, and then called a serial killer and a psychopath, Boney's grandmother was killed - the only person dear to her and how she ate expired food that her grandmother cooked and how she fell in love with her grandmother's killer, poor Muchi, whose brother was killed, who sacrificed himself for him and remained disabled, and then he also did not repent that he forgave the murderer of his parents and died in front of his brother.. I cried at every episode, especially at the moment when little Borym met with an adult, saying "It's not your fault.." I felt very sorry for everyone, especially Borym, because he did not choose who he was born with and he realized what he had done and repented, but did not ask to understand him or forgive him, he asked for forgiveness, knelt down, was ready to die at the hands of those whom he had hurt and even surrendered so that death would not be for He will be lightly punished.. he even killed his father, who made him like this, killed Moochie's parents and made Moochie's brother disabled... But I believe that if it hadn't been for that bone marrow transplant to Borym, he would have continued to kill, and so, his release gave him a huge gift. Borym was able to feel all the emotions, especially regret, hatred, love, resentment, sadness, anger and pain that tormented him until the last day..🥺
Regarding the series, I would even say a twisted plot, but the acting (especially of children) is on top. When Barym was talking to himself in church and was dying, she cried. The ending is what it should be.
Ну что ж... Первая мысль после завершения просмотра была "Вот они в начале почти каждой серии пишут дисклеймер, что ни одно животное не пострадало. А как же все те несчастные совы, которых они натянули на глобус???" 😂
А вообще... Если воспринимать этот сериал как эдакий аттракцион для мозгов типа американских горок, и не пытаться даже вникать в происходящее, а просто расслабиться и на крутых поворотах кричать "Уиии, ух тыыыы!", то в принципе от него должно остаться приятное впечатление)
Самый главный минус (помимо огромнейшего количества логических несостыковок которые со скрипом можно списать на художественные допущения) - сценаристы совершенно нагло наëбывают зрителя буквально каждый эпизод. Я прекрасно понимаю red herring, то бишь ложные следы/улики/подсказки, это все закон жанра, за что мы его собственно и любим, но здесь 80% сюжета ими напичканы, от чего складывается впечатление, что то ли лыжи не едут, то ли единственная цель сценаристов - заставить зрителя почувствовать себя ебанутым. В этом они преуспели))
Тем не менее в дораме есть действительно душевные моменты - как эмоциональные, так и забавные :) За последнюю сценку между яйцевозом Мучи и Бони отдельное спасибо😁 Вообще для меня лично на Мучи все шоу держалось) Хотя актер, который играл Барыма конечно больше всех впечатлил, надеюсь он получил за эту роль какой-нибудь корейский эмми или золотой глобус)
Это дорама была прекрасна. Еще с самого начала было понятно, что Чон Ба Рым человек с загадкой. Разворот событий был такой, что запутаться было очень легко. Дорама полностью захватила мое внимание. Я была в полнейшем шоке узнав что над людьми ставят такие эксперименты, возможно Ба Рым никогда не проявился бы как убийца, если бы не было триггера, но этого мы уже не узнаем..
Сложно описать все эмоции в этом комментарии, но исход дорамы очень печален😒
Сюжет конечно закрутил за ударили, но вообще мне очень понравилась последняя мысль, это то над чем можно очень хорошо пофилософствовать наказание это или спасение
я под впечатлением, Ли Сын Ги теперь мой любимый актер, у меня аж сердце разрывается, от американских сериалов такого никогда не было, до этой дорамы я посмотрела цветок зла и незнакомцы из ада - вроде ничего, но что то не дотягивало, а вот персонаж Барым это нечто. попробую посмотреть другие дорамы с Ги.
I liked the drama in principle, but I still did not understand the meaning of exchanging children. They probably assumed that it would be easy for them to kill someone else's child, which is already in doubt, because this is what kind of character a woman needs to show to get rid of a little boy, even a future monster. Secondly, even if Barym's foster mother had managed to kill him and there would have been no organization and people who could somehow prevent her, how would she have lived on with the idea that a strange woman was raising her own son? She won't be able to come to her and say sorry, your son is a monster, I killed him, give me mine back. We've been educated and that's enough. It is unlikely that she would just give up her child and leave him with her.
1. What kind of safe world was this woman talking about? Well, even if Korea passed this law, it does not mean that the rest of the world would do the same. 2 I've been dragging myself since Ko Muchi comes to someone else's house and talks to himself in full voice 3. Son's son's relatives are very responsible - grandma committed suicide, mother decided to surrender to the police after 25 years, and you son yourself somehow 4. And it's also interesting, I watch cameras in Korea with windows and do not forget that this should be a maximum security prison. Ordinary criminals probably have prisons with all the amenities and spas at all, Good Koreans, however) 5. It bothers me a little that the creators in every possible way caused us sympathy for the psychopathic killer.
Although it was clear from the first episodes that Barym was a psychopath, but all these branches are super. But most of all, I wanted Bon Yi to be removed from the series. She infuriated the most of all the characters😂
Forced abortions?! The malicious oz organization had a single goal - to justify the controversial gene abortion law through psychopaths. And Song Ye Han showed a great example - he was a good person despite his biology. That is, the series led to the fact that the gene is not a verdict. The result? Does the state catch oz and immediately introduce an abortion law? 🤷♂️ So oz won..
It is very intriguing how it will end )
It is very good that they showed how the heroes continue to live years later. For me personally, this is a multi-valued movie, the whole drama has developed into a kind of detective philosophical thriller.
Mu Chi and eggs are strong!)
Personally, I, the whole drama, was infuriated about Bo Ni. And as for me, the most hypocritical character!
Let's not forget that she killed the doctor (even though we already know that they would have sacrificed him anyway, even if it hadn't been for her) and at least for a minute she would have repented of it, confessed I don't know damn.
Of course, she was avenging her grandmother, but still, no matter how you look at it, this is a murder and, as it turned out, the murder of an innocent person. I waited until the last moment that she, like everyone else, would confess her sin and repent, but alas ... no (((and therefore she disgusts me even more than a psychopath, at least he has a diagnosis!
The main idea of these 20 episodes, if I understood the writers correctly, is "evil must be nipped in the bud, regardless of such trifles as human rights and freedom of choice, and then you see what bullshit comes out for 20 episodes" — I did not go to nausea and rage.
Firstly, the law was adopted without ever thinking at all that in addition to the sociopath Barym, there was also a genius Yekhan, who was a scapegoat all the way. Let's kill these children for the company, too, cho, myzhhumanists.
Secondly, OK, you abort women who have become registered, but what about those who, maybe, will spend the entire pregnancy in the basement and give birth in the field? What about immigrants, re-immigrants, and so on? And-pa-ba-ba-bam, the cherry on the cake — what about those sociopaths who have already been born?
Thirdly, and this is the main thing, the two most sociopathic of the entire flood of maniacs in this story, because of which about as many people died as because of Han, if not more, were Han's wife and Choi Yunshin-normal people, according to Dr. Lee's theory and the adopted law. Dr. Lee, by the way, would also do well to kill himself against the wall.
It is completely unknown whether Barym would have become a murderer if he had not been pushed to this in every possible way, but on the contrary, they would have thrown all their forces at the development of genius. Lack of empathy is not equal to the desire to kill, but how to name those who kill for lack of empathy is still a question.
Not, well, at least what to expect from morons with tattoos, of course.
A-a-a-a, Dr. Lee and the Fifth Amendment, s-s-s-s. Well, yes, well, Korea and the United States have one constitution for two countries.
I wonder if the translators will rewrite it into Russian, or will they still think a little?
So no one told Khan that his mice were not viable. And he himself, apparently, just transplanted the brain and threw this good into the water, really, what difference does it make who will live there for how long after the operation.
It turns out, by the way, that the journalist sent Choi Yunshin a recording of the operation from the time of experiments, when Han had no result - he had already sent a successful mouse to Dr. Lee from prison. Nevertheless, this under-operation convinced her to fall on her knees before the Khan, although there were no guarantees for anything. And this is an infinitely stupid scenario move that covers a whole layer of interesting ideas. Although Yunshin could have already told the nation at that moment that both Barym and Yekhan were murderers, they say, my super team of excellent detectives gathered evidence and we wanted to arrest everyone, but they killed each other on the basis of competition, so vote for me, that's how cool I am - I'm happy about you while you sleep and don't blow your mind.
Guys, I'm giving you a branch of the plot development, don't thank me.
And the secretary in the White House is still a strategist 😡
I didn't understand a little about the journalist...why did she help lure the victim? And in general, she was somehow given little...It was she who came up with the idea of using Barym for murders together with Dr. Lee
and this secretary of the president actually achieved her goal, the new president passed this bill, but why did no one say in the end that the gene of a psychopath and the gene of a genius are identical? After all, people just ran to vote on the general wave of impressions.
another question arose: why did mothers decide to exchange children? What's the point?
Lee Seung-gi is just a crash, he played 100% in this drama%
I also liked the plot in principle)
I can only explain this by the fact that both mothers, against the background of terrible stress and hormones, completely pulled off the roof, so they decided that this was a great work plan
own, yes
, it's a pity that this was not disclosed
of taste and color as they say
But I really didn't have enough explanations for why she didn't hand over the basement for Khan's experiments at a conscious age (
I agree with the comment above, the idea that one has only to strangle all the maniacs in the bud and everything will immediately heal in the beautiful Korea of the future is terribly burnt. Not to mention how wonderful it is that once again left-wing people decide what women should do with their bodies.
The only thing I would look at is a black comedy about the life of this organization for tracking maniacs. Knocking out the budget if necessary to cover up the true goal, recruiting new agents in style:
- You will serve your country and keep an eye on maniacs.
- In the sense of collecting evidence so that they can be planted later?
- No, to make sure that they act like maniacs.
- ...
And at the end of each quarter there are screams full of hatred that the ward has not fulfilled the norm for murders again, so no one will receive a bonus.
Because you can't really watch this game anyway.
I'll know.
The first episodes were really interesting, but then I barely watched them.
You know, there is a feeling that they overreached, first they overreached, and then they underreached.
The final episode is not bad.
Lee Seung-gi undoubtedly played his role perfectly, the rest is also excellent, but he still attracted attention the most.
Overall, the idea is good, but the drama is for once, unfortunately.
I feel like I betrayed Song Ye Han, I'm ashamed in front of him, because I also thought he was a murderer 😩
I hope the end was a foreshadowing of the fact that Barym, being a small child, received an answer from the Almighty and still became a good person, for me the end is exactly like this 💔
But I really liked the dorama) I thought I wouldn't find a dorama about investigations better than "The Memoirist"
And then BAM - EPISODE 14 and I was like, "I TOLD YOU!! " 😂😂 In general, this job shook my nerves significantly and I am very glad that it still exceeded my expectations, because if Yohan was a real killer, it would have been a drain : (I already wanted to be disappointed.
And, I also immediately realized that too much is being shown to us that the Khan is supposedly a beaten doctor, knows anatomy, etc. In general, everything was too sweet) That's why I assumed that, on the contrary, he investigated the case alone (as it turned out later, no), in order to either take revenge or turn over Celik. Well, for some reason I looked into his beautiful eyes and immediately thought that he was a genius 🥲
P. S Lee Seung-gi is becoming more and more the best actor for me, this role revealed his talent to the fullest, they say bad parents reveal acting more, and it turned out, I adore It's really a pity that his character doesn't have a good ending.
The best drama. Someday I'll review it to understand better, the secretary was annoyed, I'm glad that she's done, and the last scene with seung gi was cool, I'm also sorry for Shin, I cried a lot at this moment, as in this episode 😫🥺🥰
By the way, it would be funny if Borym had depression for a long time because of terribly low serotonin, how would he behave? 🧐
That's all I can say.🤦🏼♀️🤷♀️
But it was really stressful.👌🏻
Guy's son is handsome, coped with the role of a bad boy👌🏻😁
There is a comment above about the screenwriter. And when I saw the mention of Black, everything fell into place. It's true that everyone wore pants here, it's very amazing. In general, now I will carefully read the list of creators.
I didn't like the acting. That's all. I really like Seungi. For the most part, I only watched because of him, because he's the one I know best. But even Sonny was not pleased.
And the actress playing Boney is immediately blacklisted. Although the actress is certainly not to blame that she got such an infuriating character. But it's a matter of principle.
The verdict. Wasted time. The drama is not worth it.
И этот законопроект, за который все боролись и носились как курица с яйцом. Да в нем дырок больше, чем в дуршлаге.
Мне наоборот очень понравилось. И сюжет и посыл.
Ли Сын Ги мне всегда нравился, очень харизматичный. Но после этого сериала посмотрела на него с другой стороны, он в моих глазах прямо вырос как актёр.
Сюжет динамичный, и да, он закрученный. Но благодаря этому дорама держит в напряжении. Концовка для главного героя вполне понятна, и другой в принципе я и не ждала. Возможно в следующей жизни у него будет всё по-другому. Определённо буду пересматривать.
В Голливуде за последние лет 10 ничего даже близко настолько качественного не снимали и вряд ли снимут!
10 из 10!!!
На последнем эпизоде рыдала, как сучка
Все это время я относилась к БаРыму одинаково ровно, меня не провели ни его взгляд из-под маски добряка в первых 10 сериях, ни чудеса гениальности до 14й, ни сплошное раскаяние вконце. Но я рыдала. Не могу объяснить ничем, кроме актерской игры на грани гениальности. ЕХана жаль до невозможности. А Чхве ХонЧжу отплатила изящно. Красивее не придумаешь.
Для меня все раскрылось в последних сериях, и все нитки привели к ответам. Я, наоборот, очень восхищена сценарной работой и каких-то больших нерешенных вопросов у меня не осталось.
Однозначно, один из мощнейших моментов серии - когда "оба сына" сказали одну и ту же фразу. "Ученых" среди их окружения было предостаточно. И как знать, отправился б БаРым убивать кого-то кроме кроликов, если бы его желание направили в интерес к медицине? (хотя я этого персонажа не оправдываю, но помню свои слова к первой серии - если с рождения относиться как к будущему серийнику, не ожидайте, что вырастет одуванчик).
Как человек, имеющий некое отношение к науке, моментами мне было очень тяжело. Дело не в нереалистичности, тугих потугах в генетику, физиологию и психосоматику - я это пропускала мимо ушей. Дело в эмоциях. Помню в студенческое время меня очень бесили такие предметы, как биоэтика и биофилософия. Помню, как плевалась от пространных пафосных речей, замешанных на тоннах воды и масле масленом, которые эти две науки задвигали. Эта дорама доказывает их необходимость.
Вообще, эта правительственная сучка победила в итоге. Закон-то приняли, как всегда, на эмоциях, ведь о гение-докторе, которого мне на протяжении всея дорамы хотелось обнять - все забыли. Не зря говорит классика - бойтесь серых кардиналов.
Для меня главный посыл этого творения - любого монстра взращивает общество.
2. Мне почему-то вплоть до последних серий казалось раскроют третьего "психа", например, секретный убийца от организации, или чтобы прямо совсем сделать сюжетный поворот кто-то из участка, кто был с нами в течение всего сериала
3. Есть правда один маааленький минус, лично по моему мнению: это подводка судьбы БаРыма под некий замысел "Бога". Не буду вдаваться в религиозный спор, но водить "милосердного" бога в мире, где так жестоко умирали невинные люди - это необычно)))
Но это мелочи на самом деле, сериал все еще очень хорош.
Обони такая мерзкая и двуличная. Как же сильно она меня бесит
актерская игра - выше всяких похвал. вот это единственное, что так яро засело в душу) ли сынги - потрясающий актер. харизма, передача эмоций, внешность - все очень подошло под героя.
ли хиджун тоже понравился. люблю такие роли "неправильных" полицейских-детективов. отлично сыграл, тоже не оставил равнодушия.
кен суджин в сердечко просто. настолько хороша сыграла, что так переживаешь ее судьбе, аж невыносимо становилось.
актриса пак чухен справилась с ролью, я думаю, но что-то не понравилась роль ее(может играла бесящего персонажа). наверно, стоит посмотреть другие ее работы.
ну и мой любимый актер после этой дорамы - квон хваун. хотя его было и немного, в отличие от главных героев, но очень уж понравился. некая аура и харизма у актера заставляет интересоваться им.
насчет сюжета- ну перемудрили. слишком фантастики многовато. слишком много совпадений для продвижения сюжета( как без этого). также излишняя жестокость( без некоторых моментов можно было бы и обойтись. взять того же детектива непо: и ребенок скоро должен родиться - бац смерть).
про затянутость и говорить не буду - хватило бы и 16 серий.
однако дорама всё равно заставила продолжать смотреть и не отвлекать. это плюс.
мораль сериала расплывчатая и многие бы не согласились, но увы, такой сценарий)
да, хорошая дорама, но на один раз и не более. не понимаю тех, кто считает это самой лучшей и интересной дорамой. 4 из 5
пс. осты замечательные. добавила себе в музыку)
После первого спецвыпуска - Барым реально психопат убийца!
Есть огромное желание снова пересмотреть, но уже в деталях присматриваться к героям и у видеть то, что при первом просмотре могло остаться не замеченным, следить за Ба Рымом, вообще актер очень круто сыграл!
Who watched it normally without rewinding, answer me even if you see this comment in 10 years. Please tell me how it happened with grandma's brooch, it was on the corpse, then disappeared, and then appeared at Barym's house.How and why? Or was it not beaten in any way?
And I also think that when Bon Yi crossed the bridge in the rain and looked at the sky, she remembered Barym. Whether she was a detective or not, he still fell into their hearts, even with the fact that he turned out to be that killer.
I feel sorry for Barym. Very! I'm not excusing him, but I really feel sorry for him, the Barym who was shown to us after the operation. When he came and realized that he was the killer, I feel sorry for his personality.
Although I would like to have a happy ending here, but I remember that it crossed my mind that Barym was a murderer at a moment with a child. For some reason, I immediately suspected him then, because with the beacon it was clear that the doctor had nothing to do with the beacon. And the house where they discussed everything is Barym's house
A million dollar masterpiece))
I cried a lot, watched it for two days until 8 a.m. It's a pity for many, but I would include in the top three: Ye Han, Father (brother of the detective), Detective Xing.
One of the best dramas in this genre, purely for me.
Then the pace lost for a couple of episodes, and it seemed to come back again, but not with such intensity. I would like the end to be more impressive, but, on the whole, it's good.
А вообще... Если воспринимать этот сериал как эдакий аттракцион для мозгов типа американских горок, и не пытаться даже вникать в происходящее, а просто расслабиться и на крутых поворотах кричать "Уиии, ух тыыыы!", то в принципе от него должно остаться приятное впечатление)
Самый главный минус (помимо огромнейшего количества логических несостыковок которые со скрипом можно списать на художественные допущения) - сценаристы совершенно нагло наëбывают зрителя буквально каждый эпизод. Я прекрасно понимаю red herring, то бишь ложные следы/улики/подсказки, это все закон жанра, за что мы его собственно и любим, но здесь 80% сюжета ими напичканы, от чего складывается впечатление, что то ли лыжи не едут, то ли единственная цель сценаристов - заставить зрителя почувствовать себя ебанутым. В этом они преуспели))
Тем не менее в дораме есть действительно душевные моменты - как эмоциональные, так и забавные :) За последнюю сценку между яйцевозом Мучи и Бони отдельное спасибо😁 Вообще для меня лично на Мучи все шоу держалось) Хотя актер, который играл Барыма конечно больше всех впечатлил, надеюсь он получил за эту роль какой-нибудь корейский эмми или золотой глобус)
Сложно описать все эмоции в этом комментарии, но исход дорамы очень печален😒
But most of all, I wanted Bon Yi to be removed from the series. She infuriated the most of all the characters😂