Ads

s01e20 — Ba Reum's Final Call

My rating

Rate
Rate the shows you've watched and get up-to-date recommendations
4.617
MyShows
(269)
Duration: 85 min.
Released: 19.05.202119.05.2021 16:30
Watched by: 3 37442.65%
1 season
s01e20
s01 special-2 - Mouse: The Predator - Part.1
s01 special-3 - Mouse: The Predator - Part.2
s01e16 - Episode 16
s01e17 - Episode 17
s01 special-5 - The Theatrical Cut
s01e18 - Please, Give Me Some Time
s01e19 - Kim Joon Sung's Laptop
s01e20 - Ba Reum's Final Call
s01 special-4 - The Last

Discussion of the 20 episode of the 1 season
Discuss this episode
97

no_kiss
no_kiss
PRO
19 May 2021, 10:44 #
Just goosebumps , I'm really looking forward to the final !
It is very intriguing how it will end )
Reply
Show
who liked?
the episode aired 19.05.2021
unicornpower
unicornpower
20 May 2021, 01:57 #
The ending did not disappoint, although it left a residue. We almost guessed everything, because with each episode there were new hints. But this did not reduce the effect of excellent acting (Lee Seung-gi is just a master!), wonderful shooting (not without mistakes, but where without them) and a confusing script. Mu Chi, selling eggs - the best)
It is very good that they showed how the heroes continue to live years later. For me personally, this is a multi-valued movie, the whole drama has developed into a kind of detective philosophical thriller.
Reply
Show
who liked?
+104
irina228
irina228
22 Jan 02:01 #
Ahaha, I agree with you 😃
Mu Chi and eggs are strong!)

Personally, I, the whole drama, was infuriated about Bo Ni. And as for me, the most hypocritical character!
Let's not forget that she killed the doctor (even though we already know that they would have sacrificed him anyway, even if it hadn't been for her) and at least for a minute she would have repented of it, confessed I don't know damn.
Of course, she was avenging her grandmother, but still, no matter how you look at it, this is a murder and, as it turned out, the murder of an innocent person. I waited until the last moment that she, like everyone else, would confess her sin and repent, but alas ... no (((and therefore she disgusts me even more than a psychopath, at least he has a diagnosis!
Reply
Show
who liked?
-4
maurum
maurum
22 Jan 08:12 #
She didn't kill the doctor
Reply
Show
who liked?
+11
Iti
Iti
20 May 2021, 05:08 #
I am very glad, of course, that Syngi had the opportunity to play such an interesting role, but in general, about the series from the 4th (and for the most patient and naively believing in the best, like me, from the 9th already completely), the drama remained interesting mainly due to the patchwork cutting of storylines and omissions, in which the screenwriters, alas, sometimes got confused themselves (I never found the answer about the button in the photo).
The main idea of these 20 episodes, if I understood the writers correctly, is "evil must be nipped in the bud, regardless of such trifles as human rights and freedom of choice, and then you see what bullshit comes out for 20 episodes" — I did not go to nausea and rage.
Firstly, the law was adopted without ever thinking at all that in addition to the sociopath Barym, there was also a genius Yekhan, who was a scapegoat all the way. Let's kill these children for the company, too, cho, myzhhumanists.
Secondly, OK, you abort women who have become registered, but what about those who, maybe, will spend the entire pregnancy in the basement and give birth in the field? What about immigrants, re-immigrants, and so on? And-pa-ba-ba-bam, the cherry on the cake — what about those sociopaths who have already been born?
Thirdly, and this is the main thing, the two most sociopathic of the entire flood of maniacs in this story, because of which about as many people died as because of Han, if not more, were Han's wife and Choi Yunshin-normal people, according to Dr. Lee's theory and the adopted law. Dr. Lee, by the way, would also do well to kill himself against the wall.
It is completely unknown whether Barym would have become a murderer if he had not been pushed to this in every possible way, but on the contrary, they would have thrown all their forces at the development of genius. Lack of empathy is not equal to the desire to kill, but how to name those who kill for lack of empathy is still a question.
Reply
Show
who liked?
+96
ЛиляСтарцева
ЛиляСтарцева
01 Jun 2021, 21:59 #
@Iti: damn, yes, even if they did not give birth to such a maniac as bvrym, there will still be murders, some but there will be, I even feel a little sorry for barym, he is not to blame that he is the son of a murderer, his own mother refused him as soon as she gave birth, and he was accused of killing another family. Although he did not have anything to do with it And became a Monster because they also found everything for him to sign this fucking law .it's a pity that Poor ye han was also enraged that they forgot about the fact that he was a genius, even that secretary said it would be better if he was a monster, she was the main thing to sign the law, she didn't care about the other people and the murders that happened, if she had let them talk to barym, maybe he didn't die, he thought that bvrym killed his family
Reply
Show
who liked?
+21
karenakoki
karenakoki
08 Apr 20:01 #
So has the law been passed? They said they were putting it to a referendum, was the result made?
Reply
Show
who liked?
Iti
Iti
20 May 2021, 05:08 #
As Seungi promised, she gasped almost all the way: a-a-a-a-a, a secret-secret organization that took not even one, but as many as three group photos, a-a-a-a.
Not, well, at least what to expect from morons with tattoos, of course.

A-a-a-a, Dr. Lee and the Fifth Amendment, s-s-s-s. Well, yes, well, Korea and the United States have one constitution for two countries.
I wonder if the translators will rewrite it into Russian, or will they still think a little?

So no one told Khan that his mice were not viable. And he himself, apparently, just transplanted the brain and threw this good into the water, really, what difference does it make who will live there for how long after the operation.
It turns out, by the way, that the journalist sent Choi Yunshin a recording of the operation from the time of experiments, when Han had no result - he had already sent a successful mouse to Dr. Lee from prison. Nevertheless, this under-operation convinced her to fall on her knees before the Khan, although there were no guarantees for anything. And this is an infinitely stupid scenario move that covers a whole layer of interesting ideas. Although Yunshin could have already told the nation at that moment that both Barym and Yekhan were murderers, they say, my super team of excellent detectives gathered evidence and we wanted to arrest everyone, but they killed each other on the basis of competition, so vote for me, that's how cool I am - I'm happy about you while you sleep and don't blow your mind.
Guys, I'm giving you a branch of the plot development, don't thank me.
Reply
Show
who liked?
+31
ЛиляСтарцева
ЛиляСтарцева
01 Jun 2021, 22:03 #
@Iti:no, she fell to her knees because she didn't have enough murders or something, she was on her hands that he became the son of the nation and she wanted to get the law signed in this way
Reply
Show
who liked?
+3
IrInAZKKK
IrInAZKKK
29 Aug 2023, 21:30 #
@Iti: What kind of plot development is this? This is the end of the plot.
Reply
Show
who liked?
no_kiss
no_kiss
PRO
20 May 2021, 10:49 #
We are waiting for the final ! But still I was struck by the fact that Barym made the right choice !
And the secretary in the White House is still a strategist 😡
Reply
Show
who liked?
+21
RumL
RumL
20 May 2021, 15:50 #
The expected end, but everything somehow turned out to be crumpled
I didn't understand a little about the journalist...why did she help lure the victim? And in general, she was somehow given little...It was she who came up with the idea of using Barym for murders together with Dr. Lee

and this secretary of the president actually achieved her goal, the new president passed this bill, but why did no one say in the end that the gene of a psychopath and the gene of a genius are identical? After all, people just ran to vote on the general wave of impressions.
another question arose: why did mothers decide to exchange children? What's the point?


Lee Seung-gi is just a crash, he played 100% in this drama%
I also liked the plot in principle)
Reply
Show
who liked?
+37
Shis
Shis
20 May 2021, 16:03 #
@RumL: the "genius" of the idea of exchanging children was that it would allegedly be easier to kill someone else's child if he suddenly really starts to become a maniac.
I can only explain this by the fact that both mothers, against the background of terrible stress and hormones, completely pulled off the roof, so they decided that this was a great work plan
Reply
Show
who liked?
+64
RumL
RumL
20 May 2021, 18:45 #
@Shis: as a result ,it turned out to be harder to kill a" stranger " than your
own, yes
Reply
Show
who liked?
+24
Iti
Iti
20 May 2021, 21:10 #
@RumL: The journalist helped lure the victim as a child — she was the same girl in the snowy undergrowth that Sister Sukho followed.
Reply
Show
who liked?
+17
RumL
RumL
20 May 2021, 21:59 #
@Iti: I mean her motives, why did she do it?
Reply
Show
who liked?
+3
Iti
Iti
22 May 2021, 02:15 #
@RumL: Why did she help a maniac as a child? He threatened something that would kill his parents, for example.
Reply
Show
who liked?
+18
RumL
RumL
23 May 2021, 10:26 #
@Iti: as an option
, it's a pity that this was not disclosed
Reply
Show
who liked?
+4
Topaz
Topaz
23 May 2021, 10:43 #
@RumL: that's just the motives of the intimidated and confused child, there is no need to explain in any way.
Reply
Show
who liked?
+44
RumL
RumL
23 May 2021, 14:44 #
@Topaz: I'd rather see this moment in a drama
of taste and color as they say
Reply
Show
who liked?
+7
Iti
Iti
23 May 2021, 23:48 #
@RumL: Taste and color, yes, but I'd rather not see) Because it's literally a couple of phrases of Khan and 15 minutes of a sobbing child (also nidayboh with words that in the voiceover with an attempt to convey crying generally cut in the ears).
But I really didn't have enough explanations for why she didn't hand over the basement for Khan's experiments at a conscious age (
Reply
Show
who liked?
+11
karenakoki
karenakoki
08 Apr 20:05 #
And I don't understand why she was put in prison? She was a child and obviously did not willingly lure victims.
Reply
Show
who liked?
ЛиляСтарцева
ЛиляСтарцева
01 Jun 2021, 22:06 #
@RumL: the journalist seems to have replaced only one victim, probably in order to survive, Khan killed his brother. They exchanged so that the other could kill the child, because he is a stranger. But they miscalculated that the child can become their own if you bring him up, Barym's mother and his father are worth each other, of course
Reply
Show
who liked?
+1
Shis
Shis
20 May 2021, 15:58 #
It's good that I immediately looked at who the screenwriter was, so I didn't expect anything good and just giggled over the next turn and reproduction of maniacs by practically budding. But, perhaps, at this point I will stop with the work of this lover of prescribing organ transplant operations almost on the knee.

I agree with the comment above, the idea that one has only to strangle all the maniacs in the bud and everything will immediately heal in the beautiful Korea of the future is terribly burnt. Not to mention how wonderful it is that once again left-wing people decide what women should do with their bodies.

The only thing I would look at is a black comedy about the life of this organization for tracking maniacs. Knocking out the budget if necessary to cover up the true goal, recruiting new agents in style:
- You will serve your country and keep an eye on maniacs.
- In the sense of collecting evidence so that they can be planted later?
- No, to make sure that they act like maniacs.
- ...
And at the end of each quarter there are screams full of hatred that the ward has not fulfilled the norm for murders again, so no one will receive a bonus.
Because you can't really watch this game anyway.
Reply
Show
who liked?
+49
Iti
Iti
20 May 2021, 21:10 #
@Shis: And who is the screenwriter, what else did she do?
Reply
Show
who liked?
+3
Shis
Shis
20 May 2021, 22:18 #
@Iti: her name is Choi Ran and she is also a screenwriter for Black, from whom I also spat a lot. I know that a lot of people like Black, but it was creaking for me, and the end did not sew a mare's tail at all, as for me. The mouse was an attempt to give her a second chance, but apparently we don't match up at all
Reply
Show
who liked?
+6
Sol13
Sol13
21 May 2021, 22:42 #
@Shis: I only survived 4 episodes of Black and thought that I was not like that, most of them praise her, but I didn't go at all)
Reply
Show
who liked?
+5
Iti
Iti
22 May 2021, 02:21 #
@Shis: Oh, I watched Black in full, but only because of the aesthetics of the black cape and the background.
I'll know.
Reply
Show
who liked?
-3
Kleopatra205
Kleopatra205
10 Aug 2021, 06:54 #
@Shis: I agree, I also had a hard time watching both Black and the Mouse. In my opinion, the ending in Black is very strange and does not answer the main questions: how can you remember something that never happened, whether the hero remained a reaper or not, how saving the heroine's father is connected with erasing the hero from the time line, what happened to all the other heroes after all these manipulations, etc. and so on. The list can be continued indefinitely. Here we were given at least some answers, but it still did not make the drama one of my favorites - they overreached, as they wrote above.
Reply
Show
who liked?
-5
ЛиляСтарцева
ЛиляСтарцева
01 Jun 2021, 22:08 #
@Shis:kapets, yes, it's very funny from this Maniac Organization of oz 😂
Reply
Show
who liked?
+8
Sol13
Sol13
21 May 2021, 22:55 #
I was waiting for the drama as soon as I found out about the exit, I honestly thought that with such a theme, the story would capture and be gorgeous.
The first episodes were really interesting, but then I barely watched them.
You know, there is a feeling that they overreached, first they overreached, and then they underreached.
The final episode is not bad.
Lee Seung-gi undoubtedly played his role perfectly, the rest is also excellent, but he still attracted attention the most.
Overall, the idea is good, but the drama is for once, unfortunately.
Reply
Show
who liked?
+36
Moonlight_xx
Moonlight_xx
23 May 2021, 01:30 #
I'm devastated, I have a lot of thoughts, but I don't have the strength to express them, these are the feelings after the drama, I roared in three streams, I was sad from the drama the last time it was after watching scarlet hearts. But damn kaaaak well kaaaak
I feel like I betrayed Song Ye Han, I'm ashamed in front of him, because I also thought he was a murderer 😩

I hope the end was a foreshadowing of the fact that Barym, being a small child, received an answer from the Almighty and still became a good person, for me the end is exactly like this 💔
Reply
Show
who liked?
+17
ЛиляСтарцева
ЛиляСтарцева
01 Jun 2021, 22:10 #
@Moonlight_xx:it's a pity that it was the end for barym, I also considered ye khan a murderer for a very long time until I read the spoilers of the last episodes and somewhere in the 13th-14th episodes I was already sure that he was a murderer
Reply
Show
who liked?
+4
Moonlight_xx
Moonlight_xx
02 Jun 2021, 23:08 #
As soon as I saw Barym, I immediately thought that he was a psychopath, because he was very good, and with an old hairstyle he looked like a murderer pretending to be kind. But then everything turned against Yekhan... I was convinced of this, probably because I really didn't want Lee Seung-gi's character to suffer, and judging by the plot, it was clear that he would not remain happy...

But I really liked the dorama) I thought I wouldn't find a dorama about investigations better than "The Memoirist"
Reply
Show
who liked?
+7
Jlucuчka
Jlucuчka
19 Feb 2023, 02:55 #
@Moonlight_xx: first of all, I also immediately threw suspicions at Borym, and then I was like, "Damn, dorama, do you want to say that I didn't correctly calculate the killer in two episodes? 😞". And I believed it.... I sat until the last one and was like, "What, damn, is really not a maniac?! Have we been deceived?! "
And then BAM - EPISODE 14 and I was like, "I TOLD YOU!! " 😂😂 In general, this job shook my nerves significantly and I am very glad that it still exceeded my expectations, because if Yohan was a real killer, it would have been a drain : (I already wanted to be disappointed.

And, I also immediately realized that too much is being shown to us that the Khan is supposedly a beaten doctor, knows anatomy, etc. In general, everything was too sweet) That's why I assumed that, on the contrary, he investigated the case alone (as it turned out later, no), in order to either take revenge or turn over Celik. Well, for some reason I looked into his beautiful eyes and immediately thought that he was a genius 🥲
Reply
Show
who liked?
+5
ЛиляСтарцева
ЛиляСтарцева
01 Jun 2021, 21:45 #
It's a very cool drama, I don't regret watching it. True, there are a lot of entanglements and every time the whole thing was turned upside down, the first drama in the suspense genre, in the last series even a little shaking from fear or just from the coolness of everything, but I don't regret it. Of course, the end was pleasant, it couldn't be any other way, but barym is still a pity, although he is a murderer, but still, if you think about it, all the misfortunes happened because his loved ones turned away from him, immediately put an end to him, because he is the son of a bounty hunter, everyone just said how bad he was, but they didn't try to help. The saddest thing is that his mother refused him first and did not regret him more than once in her life, and Song ye han died because of her stupidity and this secretary did this to children, this is someone else's life, and she ordered her to first find su ho and forced gg to kill him, but in fact she is to blame for the death of her parents, and Then I gave him anger pills through a doctor. A very unpleasant person For Me. In fact, if his own mother had not got into his life, since she left him, and mothers do not do that, then another mother would not have tried to kill him and he would not have become predators, the environment is also important, they should have prevented him, everyone is sorry for ye han, and hyun soo, and Mu chi, and Bon yi, and Baryma too, everyone in this situation can be understood. But I still think that if the surrounding people were also to blame, as with Ye Han, everyone also said how bad he was, it's unpleasant when everyone says what a monster you are, ye Han also initially wanted to give up and die, but hensu saved him. Ye Han thought ba rym killed his parents, so he wanted to kill them, as he said in the last episode, no one in the drama told anyone anything, everyone hid everything, everyone had a secret, distrust is also bad, what kind of utopia can there be if people can't open up to each other and tell the truth, also they do not trust, some rely only on themselves, if barym had been given the necessary help, everything would have gone differently, and why would the exchange of children be necessary at all if you stick to someone else's
Reply
Show
who liked?
+6
ЛиляСтарцева
ЛиляСтарцева
01 Jun 2021, 21:49 #
to a child, he will become yours for you, it's not important who gave birth, the main thing is who brought up m you can't kill anyway, it was a stupid idea
P. S Lee Seung-gi is becoming more and more the best actor for me, this role revealed his talent to the fullest, they say bad parents reveal acting more, and it turned out, I adore It's really a pity that his character doesn't have a good ending.
The best drama. Someday I'll review it to understand better, the secretary was annoyed, I'm glad that she's done, and the last scene with seung gi was cool, I'm also sorry for Shin, I cried a lot at this moment, as in this episode 😫🥺🥰
Reply
Show
who liked?
+4
Fenica
Fenica
02 Jun 2021, 22:53 #
I read somewhere that the screenwriter wrote this script for 2 years. It is sad that she did not have time to read books on the topic during this time. Perhaps if we take it as a constant that the universe of the drama is parallel to ours and do not try to apply the logic of our universe to that one, then the scenario will be wow... but it didn't work out that way for me... that's why I was constantly bombed by why this or that was happening there... I think in an attempt to make wow effects and unexpected twists, the script was shredded so that sometimes it was difficult to understand what / where / who / why X.x well, holes of logic and inconsistencies - I don't know if it's the fault of the script or an unsuccessful installation. The result of the drama is simple - what? There is a story about 3 types of test subjects, 1 was a genius, 1 was kind of a psycho and 1 was a psycho who could control himself if he hadn't been given triggers since childhood. In the end, let's have abortions for everyone. What is the logic? Ooh, what about first conducting an examination of the entire population for this gene? And see who and how? If it's expensive for everyone, maybe at least those who are in their mental hospitals and prisons? For some reason, it seems to me that the indicators would be interesting. How many psychos are NOT sitting for murder, etc. In short, either I did not understand the message, or he is some kind of heresy ^^" With all this, all the actors played great. It's a pity the script failed.
Reply
Show
who liked?
+13
Jlucuчka
Jlucuчka
19 Feb 2023, 03:00 #
@Fenica: There were two test subjects, Khan and Barym. A genius and a psychopath. But I also agree, I felt terribly sorry for Barym. A poor and unhappy child. Yes, he was violent as a child. But by the way, I don't blame him for the rabbit. This is a common childish interest. But for the dog and the fish - yes, this was a specific revenge on my stepfather) But again, it was possible to talk to the child, and not threaten, as the "father" did and constantly shout. It is clear that OZ was also like 5 legs for a dog, and would put sticks in the wheels : (But still, the child would have a real chance to grow up +/- adequate from the moral and emotional part. About triggers, about pills that lowered his serotonin, etc. I'm generally silent.

By the way, it would be funny if Borym had depression for a long time because of terribly low serotonin, how would he behave? 🧐
Reply
Show
who liked?
+2
КристинаМ
КристинаМ
12 Mar 23:05 #
@Jlucuчka: There were 3 test subjects: one born boy, the one who threw his mother off the hospital window, and who then killed single girls by putting bars on their windows. He was the first person to be killed after brain surgery. It's just that his fate and running the organization were not the focus of the series.
Reply
Show
who liked?
+1
vikont_2805
vikont_2805
05 Jun 2021, 19:51 #
Mdaa....
That's all I can say.🤦🏼♀️🤷♀️
But it was really stressful.👌🏻
Guy's son is handsome, coped with the role of a bad boy👌🏻😁
Reply
Show
who liked?
+8
SevenBunny
SevenBunny
08 Jun 2021, 00:48 #
I feel sorry for Ye Han. If his mother had not agreed to the exchange of children, it is likely that it would have been a happy and, most importantly, a living family
Reply
Show
who liked?
+40
CaribaFiesta
CaribaFiesta
PRO
17 Jun 2021, 23:44 #
The beginning was very intriguing. So many mysteries and great potential. But then it all descended into something incomprehensibly fantastic. With a bunch of leftist people, an attempt to confuse the plot, all sorts of different twists, which, to be honest, only irritated. And again, the government is to blame for everything. Well, it's kind of boring.

There is a comment above about the screenwriter. And when I saw the mention of Black, everything fell into place. It's true that everyone wore pants here, it's very amazing. In general, now I will carefully read the list of creators.

I didn't like the acting. That's all. I really like Seungi. For the most part, I only watched because of him, because he's the one I know best. But even Sonny was not pleased.
And the actress playing Boney is immediately blacklisted. Although the actress is certainly not to blame that she got such an infuriating character. But it's a matter of principle.

The verdict. Wasted time. The drama is not worth it.
Reply
Show
who liked?
-1
CaribaFiesta
CaribaFiesta
PRO
18 Jun 2021, 00:14 #
И финал вроде бы расставил все точки, но он случился спустя так много "вау-поворот", которые реально утомляют, что он не принес никакого облегчения.
И этот законопроект, за который все боролись и носились как курица с яйцом. Да в нем дырок больше, чем в дуршлаге.
Reply
Show
who liked?
+9
Luchnica
Luchnica
11 Jul 2021, 10:02 #
Не понять мне тех, кто недоволен. Может дорам мало в своей жизни посмотрели? Не знают с чем сравнивать? Ладно, не важно.
Мне наоборот очень понравилось. И сюжет и посыл.
Ли Сын Ги мне всегда нравился, очень харизматичный. Но после этого сериала посмотрела на него с другой стороны, он в моих глазах прямо вырос как актёр.
Сюжет динамичный, и да, он закрученный. Но благодаря этому дорама держит в напряжении. Концовка для главного героя вполне понятна, и другой в принципе я и не ждала. Возможно в следующей жизни у него будет всё по-другому. Определённо буду пересматривать.
Reply
Show
who liked?
+18
Nessy-48
Nessy-48
10 Oct 2021, 17:56 #
Потрясающая дорама!!! Она очень качественно написана, остросюжетных поворотов предостаточно, персонажи прочно запали в душу!
В Голливуде за последние лет 10 ничего даже близко настолько качественного не снимали и вряд ли снимут!
10 из 10!!!
Reply
Show
who liked?
+7
maurum
maurum
12 Nov 2021, 20:27 #
Не согласна с большинством комментариев не только к последней серии, а в принципе по ходу дорамы.
На последнем эпизоде рыдала, как сучка
Все это время я относилась к БаРыму одинаково ровно, меня не провели ни его взгляд из-под маски добряка в первых 10 сериях, ни чудеса гениальности до 14й, ни сплошное раскаяние вконце. Но я рыдала. Не могу объяснить ничем, кроме актерской игры на грани гениальности. ЕХана жаль до невозможности. А Чхве ХонЧжу отплатила изящно. Красивее не придумаешь.
Для меня все раскрылось в последних сериях, и все нитки привели к ответам. Я, наоборот, очень восхищена сценарной работой и каких-то больших нерешенных вопросов у меня не осталось.
Однозначно, один из мощнейших моментов серии - когда "оба сына" сказали одну и ту же фразу. "Ученых" среди их окружения было предостаточно. И как знать, отправился б БаРым убивать кого-то кроме кроликов, если бы его желание направили в интерес к медицине? (хотя я этого персонажа не оправдываю, но помню свои слова к первой серии - если с рождения относиться как к будущему серийнику, не ожидайте, что вырастет одуванчик).
Как человек, имеющий некое отношение к науке, моментами мне было очень тяжело. Дело не в нереалистичности, тугих потугах в генетику, физиологию и психосоматику - я это пропускала мимо ушей. Дело в эмоциях. Помню в студенческое время меня очень бесили такие предметы, как биоэтика и биофилософия. Помню, как плевалась от пространных пафосных речей, замешанных на тоннах воды и масле масленом, которые эти две науки задвигали. Эта дорама доказывает их необходимость.
Вообще, эта правительственная сучка победила в итоге. Закон-то приняли, как всегда, на эмоциях, ведь о гение-докторе, которого мне на протяжении всея дорамы хотелось обнять - все забыли. Не зря говорит классика - бойтесь серых кардиналов.
Для меня главный посыл этого творения - любого монстра взращивает общество.
Reply
Show
who liked?
+24
Lena_the_Hyena
Lena_the_Hyena
25 Jan 19:04 #
Comment has been deleted
grappler
grappler
19 Dec 2021, 04:45 #
1. Учитывая масштаб сценария сериала, мне кажется в комментариях придираются уж прямо к совсем мелочам. Первые 4-5 серий вливался, но потом нить вообще не упускалась.
2. Мне почему-то вплоть до последних серий казалось раскроют третьего "психа", например, секретный убийца от организации, или чтобы прямо совсем сделать сюжетный поворот кто-то из участка, кто был с нами в течение всего сериала
3. Есть правда один маааленький минус, лично по моему мнению: это подводка судьбы БаРыма под некий замысел "Бога". Не буду вдаваться в религиозный спор, но водить "милосердного" бога в мире, где так жестоко умирали невинные люди - это необычно)))
Reply
Show
who liked?
+6
tomagalustyan
tomagalustyan
19 Jan 2022, 01:26 #
Я смотрела много дорам. Могу сказать что эта попала в топ в своём жанре. Сын Ги был моим любимым актером ещё с Книги семья Гу, и я убедилась что не зря его люблю ❤️ он отыграл шикарно на мой взгляд. Очень интересная роль для него🖤 детектив тоже просто лапочка 😍
Reply
Show
who liked?
+3
pelly_kw
pelly_kw
03 Feb 2022, 07:17 #
Я блин заплакала, когда Барым сказал О Бони что в следующий жизни он родиться нормальным. Ведь правда, он не виноват, что родился с таким геном, но то что он сделал, нельзя оправдать
Reply
Show
who liked?
+35
ermigurt17
ermigurt17
16 Jul 2022, 13:50 #
😭 свободу серийному убийце😁
Reply
Show
who liked?
-5
PinochetM
PinochetM
08 Aug 2022, 20:46 #
Не помню, чтобы меня так мог растрогать кинематограф, как эта дорама. Высший балл и за сюжет, и за музыку, и за игру актеров!
Reply
Show
who liked?
+5
botinokdina
botinokdina
27 Nov 2022, 23:58 #
На одном дыхании все 20 серий
Reply
Show
who liked?
+1
dntrsv
dntrsv
06 Jan 2023, 09:24 #
От такого количества сюжетных поворотов на минуту "пленки" кружится голова. И хоть это вызывало кучу эмоциональных качель при просмотре, по крайней мере у меня, подытожив все, что было, уже постфактум, есть небольшое кол-во вопросов к развязке, некоторые моменты зафиналили чуть-чуть скомкано.
Но это мелочи на самом деле, сериал все еще очень хорош.
Reply
Show
who liked?
+3
azurblaufliesen
azurblaufliesen
11 Jan 2023, 01:23 #
Одна из лучших дорам, которые я видела
Обони такая мерзкая и двуличная. Как же сильно она меня бесит
Reply
Show
who liked?
+3
SiFox
SiFox
PRO
13 Apr 2023, 19:53 #
@azurblaufliesen: Её можно понять, чел убил её бабушку, а боль самая больная, когда убийцей оказывается человек которого ты любила 😔
Reply
Show
who liked?
+6
SenSen13
SenSen13
11 Jan 2023, 04:24 #
Люблю подобные вещи за то, что они дают хорошую пищу для размышления. Каждый может увидеть своё. Не знаю, какой точно был посыл, но лично мне совсем не видится «зло нужно пресекать в зародыше». Да, по итогу общество проголосовало за этот бесчеловечный закон, но так же на протяжении всей дорамы, была заметна «несостоятельность» общественного мнения. Люди абсолютно ведомые, им сказали, что этот человек убийца, они тут же готовы были «сжигать на костре» его и всех его отпрысков. Это «общество» так же бросались на полицию за их «некомпетентность», что те не могли поймать серийников, и спокойно желали ребёнку смерти за то, что он родился не у тех родителей. При этом, нам максимально светлым и жертвенным показали Ё Хана, и сделали четкий акцент на то, что Барыма всячески подталкивали к его становлению «хищником». Потому мне показалось, что авторка как раз таки не согласна с «общественным» мнением и подобным законом. В лице секретаря и тайной «организации по взращиванию серийников» она показала, что не обязательно рождаться с геном психопата, чтобы стать монстром, и избавиться от всех психопатов не равно достичь идеального мира без преступлений и жертв. Тут нет белого и чёрного, и концовка не хэ, а что-то на грани циничного реализма. Ведь в реальности так и было бы, большинству людей проще свалить все на психопатов, убедить себя в том, что никак иначе с ними быть может, и этим оправдывать свою аморальность ведомую страхом в отношении их, чем признать то, что в действительности нет абсолютного зла и абсолютного добра. В этой дораме много как раз таких спорных с точки зрения морали моментов и действительно сложно принять чью-то сторону. Что касается дыр, «фантастики» и нелогичных вещей, может я смотрю много дорам, но привыкла закрывать глаза на такое, в угоду сюжету и смысловой нагрузке, которую для меня несёт произведение. Я, честно, редко сталкивалась с идеалом, где прям не придраться. В данном случае, для меня плюсы перекрыли минусы.
Reply
Show
who liked?
+19
IrInAZKKK
IrInAZKKK
29 Aug 2023, 22:04 #
@SenSen13: Спасибо за комментарий. Озвучили мои мысли.
Reply
Show
who liked?
+1
tttosgsl
tttosgsl
30 Jan 2023, 14:26 #
из-за многочисленных возгласов по поводу "гениальности" и "лучшего" детектива решила посмотреть. ожидания были высокие, но в какой-то степени даже оправдались. однако всё не так просто.

актерская игра - выше всяких похвал. вот это единственное, что так яро засело в душу) ли сынги - потрясающий актер. харизма, передача эмоций, внешность - все очень подошло под героя.
ли хиджун тоже понравился. люблю такие роли "неправильных" полицейских-детективов. отлично сыграл, тоже не оставил равнодушия.
кен суджин в сердечко просто. настолько хороша сыграла, что так переживаешь ее судьбе, аж невыносимо становилось.
актриса пак чухен справилась с ролью, я думаю, но что-то не понравилась роль ее(может играла бесящего персонажа). наверно, стоит посмотреть другие ее работы.
ну и мой любимый актер после этой дорамы - квон хваун. хотя его было и немного, в отличие от главных героев, но очень уж понравился. некая аура и харизма у актера заставляет интересоваться им.

насчет сюжета- ну перемудрили. слишком фантастики многовато. слишком много совпадений для продвижения сюжета( как без этого). также излишняя жестокость( без некоторых моментов можно было бы и обойтись. взять того же детектива непо: и ребенок скоро должен родиться - бац смерть).

про затянутость и говорить не буду - хватило бы и 16 серий.

однако дорама всё равно заставила продолжать смотреть и не отвлекать. это плюс.

мораль сериала расплывчатая и многие бы не согласились, но увы, такой сценарий)

да, хорошая дорама, но на один раз и не более. не понимаю тех, кто считает это самой лучшей и интересной дорамой. 4 из 5

пс. осты замечательные. добавила себе в музыку)
Reply
Show
who liked?
+5
tekiza51
tekiza51
08 Mar 2023, 18:22 #
Это вторая дорама в которой от каждой серии в голове только вопрос «чтооо??» и взрыв мозга )) первая была «Монстр». Дорама очень понравилась, про Барыма было понятно с самого начала, по моему к третьей или четвертой серии я писала про это. Но столько разных поворотов в каждой серии, мозг реально ломался от непонимания что вообще происходит 😁 Этот эксперимент над людьми псих-гений - ну это совсем за гранью, просто шок. А ведь мы не знаем, может и реально существует секретная организация и проводит над людьми подобные опыты, а может и хуже. Страшно господа 🙄 Барыма жаль больше всего в этой ситуации. Он не виноват, что родился сыном убийцы. Мать, которая отдала другой женщине, чтобы в случае чего та могла его убить 🤦🏻‍♀️ ОЗ которые спровоцировали ген убийцы. Им нужно было больше убийств. Короче в шоке. Но, я рада, что Барым не совсем психопат, он осознал, что натворил , сдался и умер своей смертью, а не так как например сказала Бони (вот у неё мне кажется наклонности маньячки, реалистично так убийство описала 🙄). Ли Сын Ги смотрю впервые, он просто лучший ! Просто нереально так сыграть 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Reply
Show
who liked?
tekiza51
tekiza51
08 Mar 2023, 19:23 #
Смотрите после 20 серии ещё ДВА СПЕЦВЫПУСКА есть, там многое объясняется и показ идет со стороны Барыма.
После первого спецвыпуска - Барым реально психопат убийца!
Reply
Show
who liked?
+6
tekiza51
tekiza51
09 Mar 2023, 00:17 #
Спецвыпусков оказывается есть все пять, смотрела с субтитрами 👍🏻 интересно посмотреть, что думают актеры про дораму.
Reply
Show
who liked?
+2
y_fint
y_fint
14 Mar 2023, 19:26 #
Ай, после концовки у меня все же осталось пару вопросов, Мучи все таки простил Барыма получается?
Reply
Show
who liked?
+2
SiFox
SiFox
PRO
13 Apr 2023, 19:55 #
@y_fint: Думаю не простил. Но был от части благодарен за то, что тот убил папашу.
Reply
Show
who liked?
naytvd
naytvd
PRO
15 Oct 2023, 10:29 #
@y_fint: не простил, но понял, что если бы у Борыма был обычный отец, а не с геном психа, то Борым родился бы обычным ребёнком, без всяких отклонений и тд..
Reply
Show
who liked?
Bekket
Bekket
15 Mar 2023, 14:16 #
Это пожалуй одна из лучших дорам, что я посмотрела. Я всё время в напряжение была пока смотрела и это очень круто, я даже после 15 серии делала перерыв, не могла вынести, что Ба Рым был хищником. Ли Сын Ги моя новая любовь, смотрела с ним его более новую дораму, он мне там понравился, но не настолько как здесь. Поняла сразу, что Ба Рым задумал убить своего отца, думаю отчасти из-за Му Чи, который постоянно так и норовил сесть в тюрьму и его убить. Вообщем я в большой любви к данной дораме и обязательно её пересмотрю, прикольно смотреть когда знаешь изначально кто убийца.
Reply
Show
who liked?
lento4ka
lento4ka
14 Apr 2023, 14:51 #
Уже прошел месяц как я посмотрела сериал! Я ничего нового не смотрю и даже не хочу начинать! Я до сих пор перевариваю этот сериал! Вот такое он произвел впечатление!
Есть огромное желание снова пересмотреть, но уже в деталях присматриваться к героям и у видеть то, что при первом просмотре могло остаться не замеченным, следить за Ба Рымом, вообще актер очень круто сыграл!
Reply
Show
who liked?
+1
medaqss
medaqss
14 Apr 2023, 17:12 #
Это лучшая дорама, которую я когда либо смотрела. Большой поклон автору, огромное спасибо!
Reply
Show
who liked?
+1
Sshadow7
Sshadow7
24 Aug 2023, 00:40 #
Кто-нибудь может посоветовать что-то схожее по накалу страстей, перепетиям сюжета и с кучей загадок ? Уж очень понравилась "мышь", но по описаниям дорам что-то подобного не находила (((
Reply
Show
who liked?
maurum
maurum
24 Aug 2023, 13:21 #
Ну, можно еще одну мышь)))) та что Big Mouth с Ли ЧонСоком. Сюжетно не сказала бы что прям похоже, но интриги накручено немало)
Reply
Show
who liked?
y_fint
y_fint
27 Aug 2023, 21:50 #
@Sshadow7: the twisted plot is still in the drama "Black", and not so twisted, of course, but also a good "Blind Men"
Reply
Show
who liked?
-1
Moonlight_xx
Moonlight_xx
20 Nov 2023, 22:04 #
Dorama "Flower of Evil"!!!! Just a candy bar, very similar to the "Mouse"
Reply
Show
who liked?
+1
IrInAZKKK
IrInAZKKK
29 Aug 2023, 21:47 #
There are so many comments on the issues of the plot in terms of the lack of logic and stupidity of the actions of some characters. And it didn't bother me, because, in my opinion, the main thing here was to show what happens to a person when he begins to see and evaluate his actions differently. What a hell guilt can be. How terrible can be the thought of never being able to receive the forgiveness of loved ones and loved ones. And how inhumane all experiments on people and their psyche are. And how terrible are the manipulations of politicians who are able to achieve the decisions they need without choosing the means. And that maniacs and fighters against maniacs can be equally immoral. And about the terrible consequences that rash decisions and mistakes of parents can lead to. That's what this series is about, not stupid directorial moves.
Reply
Show
who liked?
+9
SoEunGi
SoEunGi
09 Sep 2023, 00:40 #
I really liked this moment with the rain. I like Barym and the actor. But from the point of view of the script: apparently he fell in love with her before he lost his memory? I've squandered a lot, and I can't stand it. Apparently, he didn't become a murderer because of his nature, after all? Glass, glass, glass, but I'm glad he died, it's the best deal for him, if he hadn't died there would have been an unpleasant aftertaste
Reply
Show
who liked?
SoEunGi
SoEunGi
09 Sep 2023, 00:49 #
In principle, I really like such dramas, confusing and complex, and I also liked this one until the moment when Barym broke the bird. Then it was already clear that Barym was not white and fluffy. For me, dorama took out the attractive Son of Gi, and on the glass at the end. I got into Barym right away, and as a result, the screenwriters made him look like a different person. Because of the promos, I still did not understand whether he felt emotions before the transplant, perhaps they were artificially suppressed, because as a child he was scared of his actions. In any case, if it weren't for the glass, I probably wouldn't have remembered the drama after a month. They screwed up and screwed up a lot of everything.
Who watched it normally without rewinding, answer me even if you see this comment in 10 years. Please tell me how it happened with grandma's brooch, it was on the corpse, then disappeared, and then appeared at Barym's house.How and why? Or was it not beaten in any way?
And I also think that when Bon Yi crossed the bridge in the rain and looked at the sky, she remembered Barym. Whether she was a detective or not, he still fell into their hearts, even with the fact that he turned out to be that killer.
I feel sorry for Barym. Very! I'm not excusing him, but I really feel sorry for him, the Barym who was shown to us after the operation. When he came and realized that he was the killer, I feel sorry for his personality.
Although I would like to have a happy ending here, but I remember that it crossed my mind that Barym was a murderer at a moment with a child. For some reason, I immediately suspected him then, because with the beacon it was clear that the doctor had nothing to do with the beacon. And the house where they discussed everything is Barym's house
Reply
Show
who liked?
adelinagarcia
adelinagarcia
18 Sep 2023, 21:41 #
It was advised by a friend who is not interested in doramas. I thought that since he looked and also advises, you need to look and did not regret it.
A million dollar masterpiece))
I cried a lot, watched it for two days until 8 a.m. It's a pity for many, but I would include in the top three: Ye Han, Father (brother of the detective), Detective Xing.
One of the best dramas in this genre, purely for me.
Reply
Show
who liked?
budurr
budurr
21 Sep 2023, 23:36 #
Episodes 3 through 10 were just wow, every episode finale is just a shock.
Then the pace lost for a couple of episodes, and it seemed to come back again, but not with such intensity. I would like the end to be more impressive, but, on the whole, it's good.
Reply
Show
who liked?
-2
naytvd
naytvd
PRO
15 Oct 2023, 14:36 #
A very cool drama, hooked from episode 1, but the end was very sad. I hoped so much that Borym would not have been a murderer, but it turned out that it was him.. poor Boney, Moochie and Yehan.. one was killed, and then called a serial killer and a psychopath, Boney's grandmother was killed - the only person dear to her and how she ate expired food that her grandmother cooked and how she fell in love with her grandmother's killer, poor Muchi, whose brother was killed, who sacrificed himself for him and remained disabled, and then he also did not repent that he forgave the murderer of his parents and died in front of his brother.. I cried at every episode, especially at the moment when little Borym met with an adult, saying "It's not your fault.." I felt very sorry for everyone, especially Borym, because he did not choose who he was born with and he realized what he had done and repented, but did not ask to understand him or forgive him, he asked for forgiveness, knelt down, was ready to die at the hands of those whom he had hurt and even surrendered so that death would not be for He will be lightly punished.. he even killed his father, who made him like this, killed Moochie's parents and made Moochie's brother disabled... But I believe that if it hadn't been for that bone marrow transplant to Borym, he would have continued to kill, and so, his release gave him a huge gift. Borym was able to feel all the emotions, especially regret, hatred, love, resentment, sadness, anger and pain that tormented him until the last day..🥺
Reply
Show
who liked?
BlackCat17
BlackCat17
08 Nov 2023, 06:32 #
A series with such a gorgeous ending could have been reduced to a couple of episodes , the writers were wise.
Reply
Show
who liked?
+1
tamucca
tamucca
PRO
05 Jan 23:47 #
Explain, in the scene after the credits, was one of the characters or a random person lying on the opera table?
Reply
Show
who liked?
vorronovaaa
vorronovaaa
20 Jan 15:45 #
I look like Yekhan, but I could be wrong
Reply
Show
who liked?
+1
tamucca
tamucca
PRO
05 Jan 23:50 #
Regarding the series, I would even say a twisted plot, but the acting (especially of children) is on top. When Barym was talking to himself in church and was dying, she cried. The ending is what it should be.
Reply
Show
who liked?
+1
Milanna
Milanna
21 Jan 02:43 #
Well, what kind of assessment should I give to the drama if the first half is gorgeous, and the second half is muddy?😔
Reply
Show
who liked?
+3
Lena_the_Hyena
Lena_the_Hyena
25 Jan 19:05 #
Ну что ж... Первая мысль после завершения просмотра была "Вот они в начале почти каждой серии пишут дисклеймер, что ни одно животное не пострадало. А как же все те несчастные совы, которых они натянули на глобус???" 😂

А вообще... Если воспринимать этот сериал как эдакий аттракцион для мозгов типа американских горок, и не пытаться даже вникать в происходящее, а просто расслабиться и на крутых поворотах кричать "Уиии, ух тыыыы!", то в принципе от него должно остаться приятное впечатление)

Самый главный минус (помимо огромнейшего количества логических несостыковок которые со скрипом можно списать на художественные допущения) - сценаристы совершенно нагло наëбывают зрителя буквально каждый эпизод. Я прекрасно понимаю red herring, то бишь ложные следы/улики/подсказки, это все закон жанра, за что мы его собственно и любим, но здесь 80% сюжета ими напичканы, от чего складывается впечатление, что то ли лыжи не едут, то ли единственная цель сценаристов - заставить зрителя почувствовать себя ебанутым. В этом они преуспели))

Тем не менее в дораме есть действительно душевные моменты - как эмоциональные, так и забавные :) За последнюю сценку между яйцевозом Мучи и Бони отдельное спасибо😁 Вообще для меня лично на Мучи все шоу держалось) Хотя актер, который играл Барыма конечно больше всех впечатлил, надеюсь он получил за эту роль какой-нибудь корейский эмми или золотой глобус)
Reply
Show
who liked?
+4
NoAngel
NoAngel
22 Feb 17:09 #
@Lena_the_Hyena: Ли Сын Ги получил ДЭСАН (высшая гран-при награда) за роль в дораме «Мышь» на 2018 SBS Entertainment Awards.
Reply
Show
who liked?
Elivrin
Elivrin
31 Jan 10:47 #
Кто-то понял смысл сцены после титров ?
Reply
Show
who liked?
+4
Mister_Tima
Mister_Tima
03 Feb 23:08 #
Тоже интересно
Reply
Show
who liked?
+2
alyona_foxy
alyona_foxy
03 Feb 23:25 #
@Elivrin: сцена после титров 😮 я не видела, надо глянуть. Спасибо за коммент
Reply
Show
who liked?
tanчик
tanчик
06 Feb 11:32 #
Это дорама была прекрасна. Еще с самого начала было понятно, что Чон Ба Рым человек с загадкой. Разворот событий был такой, что запутаться было очень легко. Дорама полностью захватила мое внимание. Я была в полнейшем шоке узнав что над людьми ставят такие эксперименты, возможно Ба Рым никогда не проявился бы как убийца, если бы не было триггера, но этого мы уже не узнаем..

Сложно описать все эмоции в этом комментарии, но исход дорамы очень печален😒
Reply
Show
who liked?
миафарра
миафарра
10 Feb 12:52 #
Сюжет конечно закрутил за ударили, но вообще мне очень понравилась последняя мысль, это то над чем можно очень хорошо пофилософствовать наказание это или спасение
Reply
Show
who liked?
lliriKirill
lliriKirill
14 Feb 21:05 #
Захватывающе. И слишком быстро. Видимо бюджет стали урезать.
Reply
Show
who liked?
baccarat
baccarat
29 Feb 11:58 #
я под впечатлением, Ли Сын Ги теперь мой любимый актер, у меня аж сердце разрывается, от американских сериалов такого никогда не было, до этой дорамы я посмотрела цветок зла и незнакомцы из ада - вроде ничего, но что то не дотягивало, а вот персонаж Барым это нечто. попробую посмотреть другие дорамы с Ги.
Reply
Show
who liked?
+1
More_ya
More_ya
14 Mar 01:52 #
I am tormented by one question : how could Barym with a cast chase Bon in the church after murdering Brother Mucha
Reply
Show
who liked?
intessssa
intessssa
PRO
18 Mar 13:04 #
I liked the drama in principle, but I still did not understand the meaning of exchanging children. They probably assumed that it would be easy for them to kill someone else's child, which is already in doubt, because this is what kind of character a woman needs to show to get rid of a little boy, even a future monster. Secondly, even if Barym's foster mother had managed to kill him and there would have been no organization and people who could somehow prevent her, how would she have lived on with the idea that a strange woman was raising her own son? She won't be able to come to her and say sorry, your son is a monster, I killed him, give me mine back. We've been educated and that's enough. It is unlikely that she would just give up her child and leave him with her.
Reply
Show
who liked?
SantaJul
SantaJul
PRO
21 Mar 18:03 #
1. What kind of safe world was this woman talking about? Well, even if Korea passed this law, it does not mean that the rest of the world would do the same. 2 I've been dragging myself since Ko Muchi comes to someone else's house and talks to himself in full voice 3. Son's son's relatives are very responsible - grandma committed suicide, mother decided to surrender to the police after 25 years, and you son yourself somehow 4. And it's also interesting, I watch cameras in Korea with windows and do not forget that this should be a maximum security prison. Ordinary criminals probably have prisons with all the amenities and spas at all, Good Koreans, however) 5. It bothers me a little that the creators in every possible way caused us sympathy for the psychopathic killer.
Reply
Show
who liked?
-1
Lisithka
Lisithka
23 Mar 15:23 #
Although it was clear from the first episodes that Barym was a psychopath, but all these branches are super.
But most of all, I wanted Bon Yi to be removed from the series. She infuriated the most of all the characters😂
Reply
Show
who liked?
alexeyterekhov
alexeyterekhov
15 Apr 05:30 #
Forced abortions?! The malicious oz organization had a single goal - to justify the controversial gene abortion law through psychopaths. And Song Ye Han showed a great example - he was a good person despite his biology. That is, the series led to the fact that the gene is not a verdict. The result? Does the state catch oz and immediately introduce an abortion law? 🤷♂️ So oz won..
Reply
Show
who liked?
-1
Add a comment:
Ads