@26rus_alk: I wouldn't say that they slipped, in seasons 3 and 4 the series revealed more details about the minor characters, which is also important for the series, as well as the background of the main antagonist, but it's up to you to think so
what billions of characters are we talking about? in season 3, no one except Robin, Alexey and the Russian base appeared, in season 4, Eddie appeared, who was more or less revealed, Vekna, who was completely revealed and who was originally evil from the first season, it's just funny to read comments where people don't attach their criticism, given that season 4 is directly related to the events of season 1, but again, I'm not going to argue, much less quarrel with someone, I hope you will find more weighty arguments☠️
@drifloons: that's right, and this is not the only series where they do it. At least Ginny and Georgia, the whole season "came out" there at once, only recently fixed. The Bridgertons are the same.
So, the filming of the fifth and final season of ST is scheduled for the beginning of summer, as David Harbour said. So, the script has been written and everything that this wonderful story will end with has already been invented... I think that the Duffer brothers in general came up with all this back in 2016, when it became clear that season 1 was successful and the show would continue, and now they are only developing... I wonder what they are preparing for the final? This is insanely important, because if they screw up in the final season, they will ruin everything! I've reviewed season 4 here and I have a few questions.
1 QUESTION – what is really going on in the Wrong side? What is the main global evil that generates everything else? After all, demogorgons from the first part and demos with the torturer of the mind from the second and slimy crap from the third part and even Vekna from the fourth are all performers, assistants who are trying to get into the real world from the Inside out! And not the evil itself that triggers them. Remember, Dustin said that Vecna is a general of the army of evil. But who creates them? And here I have unkind suspicions. I wouldn't want everything to turn out to be banal religious devilry. Like, all these are the servants of Satan who have risen from hell, who want the apocalypse (as the crazy captain of the basketball team drove), and Odie unwittingly opened the gates of hell… Still, I want the story to remain a science fiction thriller until the end. So, I am concerned, firstly, that in the finale of season 4, all four schisms in the earth "crept" in the direction of the church. It is a bad omen of a religious ending. And secondly, one of the few remaining films that have not yet been beaten in ST is exactly "Hellraisers"! It came out just in 1987, which is brewing in our series… I hope that my fears are wrong and it is not hell with Satan that lies in the Underside.
@Serg11: I also reviewed season 4 and came to write my theories) At the expense of 1 of your question, I believe that the Underside itself was simply an unfriendly world with demogorgons and demops plus unformed particles of chaos. When Henry gets there, first the Wrong Side forms him (we see the process), and then he forms a Torturer out of chaos in the image of his favorite spiders and becomes part of the general consciousness of the Wrong Side. That is, the world from the Inside Out is a chaotic evil, where all creatures are connected by a collective mind and Henry, once there, took everything under his control. It seems interesting to me that when Henry is there for the first time, it is shown simply as a random desert, and if this is not done for the sake of heightening the effect, then it was Henry who made the Inside look like Hawkins, from which he came. Which, again, will confirm the idea of his primacy over the Wrong Side. I haven't thought about the version of Hell, I'm in solidarity here, I don't like it. And the moment of the crack near the church really sets up such reflections (
2 QUESTION – what will happen to Audie\Jane? To be honest, only the first question bothers me. I will be very upset if the Duffers turn the show into a banal pseudo-religious apocalypse. But if they cleverly get out of it, I will put up a monument to them! As a poet, the other two questions just really interest me, and do not bother me. About Odi. There is another good film that has not yet been beaten in St. It's called "Flight of the Navigator" (Flight of the Navigator), it's great fiction. Who has not watched – I recommend it. It was released just in 1986. And do you know what it's about? About how in 1978 a 12-year-old boy named David fell off a cliff, lost consciousness and woke up in 1986. And soon he realized that he had been captured by an alien automatic ship and taken to another planet, where he was studied, and then returned back to Earth, but since time travel is dangerous for a person, they returned (taking into account Einstein's law) five years later. The ship needs help – it has crashed, and the guy himself is in another time and he is being pursued by the authorities. And then, to rectify the situation, he climbs back into the ship and asks to take him back to 1978, home. Despite the fact that it is dangerous… Do you understand? The story with Odi began in 1979, when she opened the portal! In 1986 or in 87, everything should end. Just like in that movie. And Nancy, as we know, discovered that the wrong side is the road to the past. Do they really want to go back to 1979 to fix everything? Conspiracy theory, of course. But I can't imagine her getting along in the ordinary world....
@Serg11: As for El (Audie), I have concerns that she will be killed, more precisely, that she will sacrifice herself in the series finale. My assumption is based on the following points: 1) there is an interview with the Duffers, where they tell how they read the caste finale of the whole story and everyone was crying there. So, 100% death of one of the main characters. I would bet on Al or Will as the main "unsuitable" characters in the ordinary world 2) just the "unsuitability" of El. She frankly does not fit into ordinary life, she does not know how to live it, she is good only in a situation of battles with evil. In season 4, we were shown her life without superpowers and focused on the fact that she does not know how to solve ordinary problems. Bullying may well bring an ordinary person to violence, but here the message is about how El cannot "integrate" into ordinary life 3) the series as a whole has been leading a line about self-sacrifice since season 1. Al sacrifices himself for Mike and the guys already in season 1, Bob for the children and Joyce in the second, Hopper in the 3rd, Max chooses to give himself into the hands of Vecna "instead of someone else" in the 4th. It will not be surprising if in the last season the theme of self-sacrifice is elevated to the absolute. The huge gates in Hawkins need to be closed and if Al goes to do it, she will very easily burn in the process. It is quite possible that she will go for it, even realizing the result. 4) this is already the cherry on the cake. The last mise en scene of the 4th season, when everyone goes out on the hill to look at the city, everyone is split into pairs - Nancy with Jonathan, Joyce with Hopper and Mike with Will. El comes forward alone and stands alone, apart from everyone. At the same time, at Max's hospital, they were standing with Mike, huddled together. And here in the field, the placement looks like "this is the battle of El and only her."
@Serg11: I really would not like to travel in time, because so far this world has very clearly explained the rules of paranormality: The wrong side, rare people with superpowers and scientists studying them. The rest is ordinary reality as we know it. Of course, you can add anything you want, but with time travel, you will have to add El to the past, because if she was sent there, she has always existed there, all these time paradoxes. Let's go without it 🙏
3 QUESTION – Will. This is not as simple a question as everyone thinks. After all, it was with his disappearance that everything began. And then, in the second part, he was the main tool of evil from the Inside out. And it penetrated him. And he partially remained connected with the Wrong Side, although his friends and mother and brother expelled the torturer of the mind from him. I think it should end with Will. Surely he will be one of the main characters of the last fifth part. And thus, all those who were outraged that in the third and fourth parts they clamp him and do not allow him to turn around – will be rewarded)) But it is possible, unfortunately, that this can happen at the cost of this character's life. I'm afraid he'll be one of the victims. He will sacrifice himself for the sake of friends in an unequal struggle with the Wrong Side. But Max, on the contrary, can return… So, my guess is this. It seems to me that the Duffers deliberately gave a few hints about the homosexuality of Will's character so that the audience would drown in these doubts and disputes. And in fact, this is either not so, or so, but it does not matter for history. Just think – Robin is not worried at all because of his orientation, falls in love with girls and is great friends with Steve. Why is Will worse? I think that his worries and fears are connected with the fact that he feels the Wrong side of himself and is afraid of it, afraid that he may harm friends ... well, something like that. I will be glad to all those who disagree)) Assume your own before the season starts.
@Serg11: as for Will, I am 98% sure that the line with his gay awareness and recognition to Mike will be brought to an end, because hints have been given since the very first season. I hadn't noticed them before, then I just realized x) I agree that Will can sacrifice himself (instead of El, as I described above), just so as not to break Mike's heart. The same theory is supported by the dynamics of Al-Hopper, that they always return to each other and find in each other a daughter and a father, respectively. Joyce's character is also constantly positioned as "losing someone important" - first Will, then Bob, then Hopper. It is quite possible that in an equation where everyone should have at least someone, Joyce will have Hopper and Jonathan. I just don't agree that Robin is not worried - she is scared to death, her words are "to confess to the wrong person and become a pariah." Plus, Robin is older and has already managed to accept her orientation, and Will is still in the process, and besides, his love interest is his best friend, in love with the girl who saved his (Will's) life (they generally have a very brotherly-sisterly relationship, I just dreamed that it would be more time is given). Therefore, Will's confusion, indecision and complete discord are quite understandable. Again, there is an interview where the cast is asked by the audience if Will is gay and they all look at each other and are very fake like, "noooo, where are you coming from?" So I'm so sure that this line will be made very principled.
Millie Bobby Brown is already fighting dragons there in full😁 As he wrote before, when season 5 comes out, we will no longer see children as planned, but adult young people😂
I don't know, personally, I was waiting for something more global than "Vecna / number 1 - the main antagonist." But in season 4, I personally don't have any other conclusion. You expect something more from such a series.
IT's OFFICIAL: the first half of the final season of "Very Strange Things" will be released later this year. The creators shared the titles of the first six episodes out of eight:
Episode 1 — "The Trap" (The Crawl) Episode 2 — "The Vanishing of Wheeler" Episode 3 — "The Turbo Trap" Episode 4 — "The Sorcerer" Episode 5 — "Shock Jock" Episode 6 — "Escape From Camazotz"
addition: Insider Jeff Snyder reported that Netflix will first release 6 episodes at the end of November 2024, and the last ones will be released around Christmas
Hopes have not been fulfilled yet
I really hope that Max will be alive, and Al will defeat evil, but something tells me that not everything will be so rosy.
At the expense of 1 of your question, I believe that the Underside itself was simply an unfriendly world with demogorgons and demops plus unformed particles of chaos. When Henry gets there, first the Wrong Side forms him (we see the process), and then he forms a Torturer out of chaos in the image of his favorite spiders and becomes part of the general consciousness of the Wrong Side. That is, the world from the Inside Out is a chaotic evil, where all creatures are connected by a collective mind and Henry, once there, took everything under his control.
It seems interesting to me that when Henry is there for the first time, it is shown simply as a random desert, and if this is not done for the sake of heightening the effect, then it was Henry who made the Inside look like Hawkins, from which he came. Which, again, will confirm the idea of his primacy over the Wrong Side.
I haven't thought about the version of Hell, I'm in solidarity here, I don't like it. And the moment of the crack near the church really sets up such reflections (
1) there is an interview with the Duffers, where they tell how they read the caste finale of the whole story and everyone was crying there. So, 100% death of one of the main characters. I would bet on Al or Will as the main "unsuitable" characters in the ordinary world
2) just the "unsuitability" of El. She frankly does not fit into ordinary life, she does not know how to live it, she is good only in a situation of battles with evil. In season 4, we were shown her life without superpowers and focused on the fact that she does not know how to solve ordinary problems. Bullying may well bring an ordinary person to violence, but here the message is about how El cannot "integrate" into ordinary life
3) the series as a whole has been leading a line about self-sacrifice since season 1. Al sacrifices himself for Mike and the guys already in season 1, Bob for the children and Joyce in the second, Hopper in the 3rd, Max chooses to give himself into the hands of Vecna "instead of someone else" in the 4th. It will not be surprising if in the last season the theme of self-sacrifice is elevated to the absolute. The huge gates in Hawkins need to be closed and if Al goes to do it, she will very easily burn in the process. It is quite possible that she will go for it, even realizing the result.
4) this is already the cherry on the cake. The last mise en scene of the 4th season, when everyone goes out on the hill to look at the city, everyone is split into pairs - Nancy with Jonathan, Joyce with Hopper and Mike with Will. El comes forward alone and stands alone, apart from everyone. At the same time, at Max's hospital, they were standing with Mike, huddled together. And here in the field, the placement looks like "this is the battle of El and only her."
How would you like to see the finale of the story already, it will be roof-top 100%
I really would not like to travel in time, because so far this world has very clearly explained the rules of paranormality: The wrong side, rare people with superpowers and scientists studying them. The rest is ordinary reality as we know it. Of course, you can add anything you want, but with time travel, you will have to add El to the past, because if she was sent there, she has always existed there, all these time paradoxes. Let's go without it 🙏
I agree that Will can sacrifice himself (instead of El, as I described above), just so as not to break Mike's heart. The same theory is supported by the dynamics of Al-Hopper, that they always return to each other and find in each other a daughter and a father, respectively. Joyce's character is also constantly positioned as "losing someone important" - first Will, then Bob, then Hopper. It is quite possible that in an equation where everyone should have at least someone, Joyce will have Hopper and Jonathan.
I just don't agree that Robin is not worried - she is scared to death, her words are "to confess to the wrong person and become a pariah." Plus, Robin is older and has already managed to accept her orientation, and Will is still in the process, and besides, his love interest is his best friend, in love with the girl who saved his (Will's) life (they generally have a very brotherly-sisterly relationship, I just dreamed that it would be more time is given). Therefore, Will's confusion, indecision and complete discord are quite understandable.
Again, there is an interview where the cast is asked by the audience if Will is gay and they all look at each other and are very fake like, "noooo, where are you coming from?" So I'm so sure that this line will be made very principled.
I'm waiting, as they once waited for the walking dead.
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We are waiting for the 25th year now
We are looking forward to season 5!
Episode 1 — "The Trap" (The Crawl)
Episode 2 — "The Vanishing of Wheeler"
Episode 3 — "The Turbo Trap"
Episode 4 — "The Sorcerer"
Episode 5 — "Shock Jock"
Episode 6 — "Escape From Camazotz"