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s02e06 — What If... Kahhori Reshaped the World?

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Duration: 32 min.
Released: 27.12.202327.12.2023 15:00
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2 season
s02e06
s02e01 - What If... Nebula Joined the Nova Corps?
s02e02 - What If... Peter Quill Attacked Earth's Mightiest Heroes?
s02e03 - What If... Happy Hogan Saved Christmas?
s02e04 - What If... Iron Man Crashed into the Grandmaster?
s02e05 - What If... Captain Carter Fought the Hydra Stomper?
s02e06 - What If... Kahhori Reshaped the World?
s02e07 - What If... Hela Found the Ten Rings?
s02e08 - What If... The Avengers Assembled in 1602?
s02e09 - What If... Strange Supreme Intervened?

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bcm1nt
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27 Dec 2023, 14:14 #
soryan, but relatively the weakest series. Who are all these people? maybe there are fans, but I didn't like the series at all
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Nog
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27 Dec 2023, 17:11 #
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svetskayababe
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27 Dec 2023, 23:01 #
I like it so much that now any deviation from the default is perceived as an agenda. :)
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mandrygin95
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28 Dec 2023, 10:58 #
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Ytzin
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01 Jan 22:09 #
@svetskayababe: in what sense is "deviation from default"? The series has: 1. A strong female character who goes against the system (first the elders, then the "thunder people", and then the Spaniards) 2. A lost tribe with great power 3. (my personal top) hunting in which they do not kill, but extract fruits (honestly, it seems to the screenwriter they are already bantering here) 4. a strong female character who instantly mastered the local "magic" 5. Rewriting history and putting the vile European colonizers in place.
Call it what you want: an agenda, progressive instructive ideas, whatever you want.
Only because you rename it does not cease to be what it is - a plastic hack built on the laziest stamps. So lazy that sometimes it seems like it's a parody.
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svetskayababe
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01 Jan 22:22 #
Strong female characters in the agenda format is an emphasis on the fact that the character is a woman. The sex of the heroine does not affect anything in the context of the actions taking place, to put a man instead of her would have turned out the same thing. She did not go against any system, the tribe did not have "do not do" rules, people simply did not see the point in leaving paradise, but no one was forbidden to try to do it. The hackneyed trope "the main character learns strength within a relatively small amount of time" is also not new, again it does not apply to the agenda. A specific story is shown - that if the Indians had the strength to resist the more developed Spanish expansion at that time, this is a deviation from default (the story does not take place in the usual European cities). This is not a subpoena 🥹🥹🥹
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Ytzin
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01 Jan 23:01 #
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KillerTargaryen
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27 Dec 2023, 17:38 #
@bcm1nt: These characters don't exist in comics, they were specially invented for this show. as we understood, Kahori was introduced for the main general plot of the season
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reverse
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30 Dec 2023, 19:09 #
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id63505705
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09 Jan 00:36 #
@reverse: "She was introduced to increase the number of female characters, with the aim of selling more merch in the future."

Ike Mother of Pearl, who refused to introduce more female characters and, in principle, give female soloists to KVM due to low sales of toys for female characters, has now choked.
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Геворг
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05 Mar 18:47 #
@id63505705: Ike has already been fired, and his behavior is mostly considered erroneous.
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Nog
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27 Dec 2023, 15:26 #
Strange is so haggard at the end of the episode.
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Nog
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27 Dec 2023, 15:33 #
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staceyfalcon
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28 Dec 2023, 00:05 #
@Nog: like everyone else at the end of the year)
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Defender_by
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28 Dec 2023, 23:42 #
@Nog: apparently that version of Strange who likes to read all sorts of "dark" books
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plalex
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27 Dec 2023, 16:29 #
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reverse
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30 Dec 2023, 19:09 #
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sai_
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27 Dec 2023, 18:16 #
Ooo Strange is back
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Shikisen_Hishune
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27 Dec 2023, 19:00 #
An interesting decision to make the series almost entirely in Mohawk, the last time I heard the language in ACIII, it seems. It reminded me of "Prey" (2022) and the series "Murders in one Building", dedicated to a deaf-mute character, where there were no sounds, only silence.

Kahori definitely has a Disney princess vibe and a Korra from Avatar. But a world in which America has never been colonized, where Native Americans have never lost their land to colonizers, is interesting, really "what if". I liked the music and the colors, the cool shot where a lot of glowing eyes look at the Spaniard before trampling on him.

Isn't Supreme Strange the antagonist? Why else would he need Kahori, if not to use it in, I suppose, restoring his universe? Unless, of course, he has changed his intentions, which does not seem true from the thin look (or you can also have Strange appear at the moment when Loki turned green and horny in cool moccasins). I wonder if Wanda 1602 from the last series is at the same time with him, or if the team is being assembled separately. There is no scene after the credits.
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Иерарх
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14 Jan 00:25 #
@Shikisen_Hishune: "It reminded me of "Prey" (2022) and the series "Murders in one Building" dedicated to a deaf-mute character, where there were no sounds, only silence."

I can't help but remember one of the episodes of Mr. Robot, where at the very beginning they say "We don't have to talk" and until the very end no one says a single word. And the series ends with the second phrase: "It's time we talked" =3
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dtruebin
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14 Jan 20:45 #
It reminded me of Sonic, Tron and the first Age of Empires
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An_Drew006
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27 Dec 2023, 19:21 #
Super Series and cool new character
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blacki3
blacki3
27 Dec 2023, 21:09 #
I liked that Marvel decided to go beyond the usual framework. It was unexpected and interesting, the series flew by unnoticed. In terms of color scheme and overall vibe, the episode reminded me of the cartoon Atlantis. The Lost World)
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vk728323
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29 Dec 2023, 03:33 #
@blacki3:

I would not just watch a season, but a separate series about this story of theirs and their future fate. I wonder if they are immortal, then how they lived in our world then and whether they can have children and what they will be
The story is new and unusual, as for me, that's why I liked it so much, at least personally I'm interested in looking at that world of theirs and what else they can do with this power
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Рэйдан
Рэйдан
27 Dec 2023, 21:24 #
Quite an interesting option. And the hint at the end of the series to continue the story is even more interesting
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alep
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27 Dec 2023, 21:50 #
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gkalian
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28 Dec 2023, 00:06 #
Somehow the series was not touched, it would have been better if Namor had been instead of Kahori, who did not go under the water, but absorbed the power of the tesseract. The Spaniards were shown as evil colonialists in the film. But the story would be closer or something.
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vm904
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28 Dec 2023, 00:32 #
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Geist-Luft
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08 Jan 17:01 #
@vm904: I don't see Kahori joining the brotherhood of assassins here.
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Sich666
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28 Dec 2023, 20:05 #
As I understand it, Kahori should appear in films. An interesting story, it would be better in a movie format.
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reverse
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30 Dec 2023, 19:12 #
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LUXEON
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03 Jan 02:30 #
@reverse: Why are you so stuck on this topic?
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reverse
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03 Jan 06:00 #
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ErickStark
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03 Jan 11:09 #
@reverse: now only you make yourself look stupid) and it's hard to call you an adult) maybe a little self-education will help you?
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PlanePassenger
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06 Jan 23:29 #
@reverse: well, if you want adult humor, watch something with adult humor, it's kind of strange to demand this from a cartoon for a wider audience. You wouldn't watch a documentary if you wanted a romantic story, would you?
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DanechkaK
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28 Dec 2023, 20:24 #
Kahori looks like Korra, as well as the girl from the Disney cartoon. The series is interesting, instructive, like many others. Stephen's appearance has made this series even better and more excellent!
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kotenokgaff
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31 Jan 11:23 #
@DanechkaK: In general, until her brother called her by name at the beginning, it seemed to me that it was pocahontas)))
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scarcelyinside
scarcelyinside
28 Dec 2023, 21:00 #
Wait, it's that adorable dark!The Strange from the first season!

A cool series. The world is interesting, the colors, the soundtrack. And it's great that it's not in English. Mohawk also heard the last time in ACIII, the atmosphere was good. Here too.
I agree that it would be even better as a movie.
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Иерарх
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14 Jan 00:31 #
@scarcelyinside: Стрэндж Суприм
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ant1k2h
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29 Dec 2023, 01:05 #
Kahori is like Mary Sue of the Marvel world. I would not be surprised if, according to the results of the cartoon, this character appears in the Film Universe.
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hlas_of_my_nick
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29 Dec 2023, 06:15 #
Pocahontas on mental steroids🤣I don't know about Avatar and something about Korra, but Cameron's Avatar reminded me more, oddly enough
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MypMyp
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29 Dec 2023, 10:48 #
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ErickStark
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29 Dec 2023, 12:49 #
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dazzz
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30 Dec 2023, 15:28 #
And this is written by the man from Rashka 🤣 🤣 🤣
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ErickStark
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30 Dec 2023, 19:07 #
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kunjfly
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03 Feb 17:06 #
@dazzz: It's better this way than from the 404 country :)
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Artifill
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29 Dec 2023, 11:57 #
In the first season, popular plots were taken and turned upside down. In the second, the already redone stories are changed in places.
And here we'll just introduce a new character. OK. The multiverse has everything. But the very idea of "what if..." loses all meaning from this.
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Gordey
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29 Dec 2023, 16:03 #
Well okay.. Although it is not clear why
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PlanePassenger
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04 Jan 04:44 #
@Gordey: you came up with a new series of Marvel Comics: "Well, okay..." )))
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byplayz
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29 Dec 2023, 17:38 #
I fell asleep
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NatashCHa
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29 Dec 2023, 21:39 #
The series is not bad, but with the exception of the moment "I got this power five minutes ago, but I've already mastered how to control it and in general I'm going to solve everything for you and call you to fight," but it's definitely better than the stories about Peggy, in which the characters were simply swapped, and the story was left mostly untouched.
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Blackmeser
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30 Dec 2023, 08:19 #
One of the best episodes of the season. There is little Marvel in it, but as an independent series it is TOP.
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kate_archer
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30 Dec 2023, 19:03 #
Hmm, I expected more racist comments here, I'm pleasantly surprised.
The story seems cool, but I didn't order it, what does it do in the middle of What if? Strange here is also unknown what he has in mind, an alarming ending.
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ChandlerLi
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12 Jan 16:19 #
So what if the terrorist attack hit another place, so this story is very appropriate 😅
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Mcmaffic
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31 Dec 2023, 09:10 #
A very cool series, it looks like a separate cartoon
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Ytzin
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01 Jan 21:59 #
It's sad. I liked it, except for the completely insane turning of the hunt inside out, and the final one, as it was called "feat". A truly heroic deed.
But one question arises in connection with all this - why are the Chinese speaking English in the next episode?
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GonReborn
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02 Jan 13:43 #
The series is some kind of fierce cringe, is it really impossible to show the heroism of Native Americans without indulging the ridiculous patterns of modernity.
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Zombieset
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03 Jan 07:45 #
What kind of Pocahontas on speed?
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dtruebin
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14 Jan 20:48 #
What if... Pocahontas and Sonic had a baby
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bpGusar
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04 Jan 03:45 #
no wonder the series has a score of 3.8...)
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pmg
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04 Jan 20:54 #
The most "cool" thing is that if a man were in her place (or even better, a white one!), all the above aching ones would write with boiling water from delight...
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Ytzin
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04 Jan 22:14 #
@pmg: странно, вот я не говорю что ты тут делаешь или что будет делать в дальнейшем. Даже не думаю об этом. А вот тебе почему то важно.
Кстати, если бы... главный герой был белым, сюжет бы серьезно должен был поменяться.
Однако почему надо радоваться сюжету в котором благодаря колдовским силам дикари бы победили цивилизацию, наступило бы новое средневековье и ты бы пахал в полях вместо того что бы в интернете писать (в лучшем случае, а скорее всего давно бы уже помер), все равно не совсем понятно.
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Ytzin
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06 Jan 23:24 #
@Ytzin: by the way, you are more active than minus, I want to rewrite trushny corpophages so that next time I don't even start a conversation.
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Xenobait
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08 Jan 21:52 #
@pmg: если бы это был бы Thunderbird или Warpath может бы и поменялось бы чего, но по факту скорее всего нет.
-История не для этого сериала, все меньше и меньше это What if, где брались сюжетки из Земли 199999 и чутка переделывались, а всё больше какая-то рандомная шляпа(уж простите фанаты, для которых всё где есть значок MArvel это уже хорошо)
-сюжет абсолютно банален, классическая покахонтас
-ну и проблема не только этой серии, а всего сезона "марвелизация". Вместо того чтобы делать все серии, отдельными историями они собираются опять сделать "мстителей вселенных" или как там их. Так уже фанаты доломали Рика и Морти постоянно прося общую сюжетную линию(для сериала который был придуман как stand alone эпизоды), Черное зеркало так и тут теперь вместо новых миров, мы будем по сути делать общий сбор каждый сезон
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witalyasss14
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06 Jan 01:35 #
Пришёл посмотреть марвел, а тут какие-то индейцы
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_CHASER_
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06 Jan 09:33 #
Странная серия четсно говоря выбивается из общей концепции повествования
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Геворг
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05 Mar 18:50 #
@_CHASER_: чем? Тессеракт всё равно попал в наш мир тогда, как и в оригинале. Просто материк другой
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8919
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06 Jan 16:29 #
Потрясающая серия, я бы посмотрел на полнометражный фильм.
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Doro
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10 Jan 14:59 #
Ещё одна Ваканда. Вместо волшебного металла и технологий просто магию всем раздали.
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kotenokgaff
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31 Jan 11:25 #
@Doro: возможно синие цветочки связаны
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Doro
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31 Jan 11:55 #
@kotenokgaff: там же прямым текстом говорится что силы из камня, тут ненужно гадать.
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kotenokgaff
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01 Feb 10:58 #
@Doro: я имею ввиду что и те и те усилены артефактом и дают силу :) в целом похожий концепт
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Doro
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01 Feb 11:09 #
@kotenokgaff: чесно не помню чем в Ваканде были усилены цветы, раздавали их там далеко не всем, к тому же они были давольно опасны.
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Olululala
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12 Jan 01:56 #
I really liked the episode, it flew by in one breath! I would also look at this tribe and heroes)
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vvziro_ann
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12 Jan 11:11 #
I liked this episode the most, only at the end the appearance of strange ruined everything
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Dark_Punk
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13 Jan 14:34 #
Mary Sue's army has arrived
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averroman
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14 Jan 22:08 #
Boring agenda stuff. Seriously, do you have an endless prism of possibilities and are you showing this? Very bad
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PlanePassenger
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15 Jan 01:35 #
A couple of thoughts about the agenda: 1. Damn, Indians are generally the best agenda, and at least some variety, by God. They are cool, besides they are related to our Siberian peoples. As a child, I watched our/European films about brave Indians. Of course, it would have been better if they had fought against real invaders in the series, which clearly should not have been the Spaniards in these places, but thanks for that. In What If, probably, the Americans did not drop the atomic bomb on Japan, as we have on Earth-10005 with a cinematic Wolverine. 2. A strong independent woman with superpowers and no men - this is generally our original Russian agenda))) Ivan the fool, 33 years old, kicked a fool, accidentally picked up Vasilisa the beautiful, and only with her help got out of all the scrapes) A joke, of course, but with a grain of truth, as always.
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almost_lt
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15 Jan 22:57 #
Such outspoken Mary Sue has not even been written in fan fiction for a long time. Of course, the main character is the most fearless (not afraid to go to cursed places), the fastest learner (controls the force literally five minutes after meeting her), the most stubborn (trying to get to the portal in the sky by sticks), the strongest and fastest (hunting scene), the bravest and patriotic (the scene is inspired to go and fight back against the attackers). Of course, the tribe that sees her on her first day follows her and kills bad people.
The heroine, of course, is the best, but this makes the plot predictable and boring.
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faircat
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07 Feb 22:08 #
Индейцы - это всегда интересно. Но у меня вопрос - что эта серия забыла в Марвеле. Я бы поняла, если бы таким образом ввели условного предка Даниэллы - но тут просто ноунейм, вокруг которой все вращается. Ну такое себе, не этого ждешь от Марвела.
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guzinho
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11 Feb 13:32 #
Нравится мне вот это оформление финальных титров, как в этом сериале и "Мандалорце".
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Gordon_Round
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16 Feb 13:54 #
Одна из самых интересных серий в сезоне на мой взгляд. Хорошо
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ИльяЗайцев
ИльяЗайцев
22 Feb 18:10 #
блять, какой ужас, ценителям кала зайдет
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Arleana
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02 Mar 17:47 #
Прослезилась в конце. Очень сильная серия🥹
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Геворг
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05 Mar 12:50 #
LF: оно проклято, и добра от этого не будет, англосабы: оно проклято
В переводе LF есть, но в англосабах отсутствует: «Оно дарует колдовские способности», «Не волнуйся, всё хорошо», «Прикоснись и ощути её. Направь её»
LF: большие, сильные, англосабы: …мускулистые
LF: мой брат, англосабы: кузен
LF: «Привет! Как дела?» «У нас всё отлично», англосабы: «Привет! Как дела?» «Привет!»
LF: Спасибо, Атхарак, англосабы: спасибо, господин… ты (вы?)
LF: а ты говоришь смириться и сидеть сложа руки?, англосабы: Как ты можешь говорить, что у [сил] есть лимит (ограничение]?
LF: Показушный бестолковый, англосабы: показушный
LF: новый волшебный мир, англосабы: новый мир
«Чувствуете молодость?»: LF: Кажется, англосабы: надеюсь
LF: Все твои слова были правдивы. Мы пошли за тобой, англосабы: …были правдивы, поэтому мы пошли за тобой
LF: Запомни это сражение, их героизм, англосабы: смотри на их деяния
LF не перевёл: там в титрах выражают благодарность гражданам нации ганьенгэха-мохоки, которые работали над этой серией
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Геворг
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05 Mar 12:51 #
Я думал действия будут в 10 веке, когда кажись и было нападение на Землю в первом «Тор»-е, но похоже основные действия - это наверное 15-16 вв., раз европейцы уже в Америке.
Кстати, согласно субтитрам, индейцы говорили на языке народа мохоки (Mohawk), а европейцы – на испанском
Камень пространства в некотором смысле стал тем же, что для Ваканды – вибраниум?
Раз это родник, фонтан – не должны просто выпить, а не купаться? 😅
А Каори стала Нео 😮
Было интересно наблюдать, чем же всё кончится, является ли посыл «Око за око», правильность которого наверное зависит от обстоятельств и ситуаций, и когда она пришла в Испанию – я думал она её захватит. Но похоже целью было «Давайте жить дружно», что намного лучше, правда опять же зависит от сил и менталитета оппонента 😅
Думал будет изолированная история, и тут в конце появился Стрэндж 😅 Интересно, это какая версия... И что интересно – наблюдатель не удивился и даже сказал, что девушке в будущем ждёт ещё битва. То есть это, в отличие от перемещения Пегги, есть часть плана… 🤔
Серия посвящена памяти Джоанн Линн Шенандоа (скончалась в ноябре 2021 г. в возрасте 64 года), которая в этой серии исполняла индейские песни, сама она была из племени Oneida
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PlanePassenger
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05 Mar 13:58 #
@Геворг: Стрендж из первого сезона
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05 Mar 18:57 #
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Геворг
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05 Mar 18:58 #
@PlanePassenger: может да, а может нет - в самой серии ничего не указывает, какой это вариант
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PlanePassenger
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05 Mar 20:54 #
@Геворг: его внешность указывает, в этом сериале если хотят подчеркнуть инаковость версии персонажа, его делают прям сильно не похожим на прошлые.
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05 Mar 18:55 #
Очень советую читать статьи серий в Википедии и на TVTropes, очень много интересного можно узнать. Про любой проект Марвел
Например: привлекли к созданию серии настоящих мохаков, следили чтобы всё было аутентично - язык, культура, одежда... Правда испанцев обидели - мол, нас сделали злодеями, какими не были в то время и в том месте😅 Глава сценаристов сказала, что да, в реальности Фонтан искали во Флориде, но в этом таймлайне из-за тессеракта пришли другие слухи, и испанцы направились в современный штат Нью-Йорк. Правда испанцев ещё обидело то, что королева в реальности издавала приказ не порабощать индейцев. было также на TVTropes написано, что в реальности королева была блондинкой, а одежда её двора была в моде век спустя (не исключено, что спутали с другой Изабеллой, правившей век спустя)
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kino_rio
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18 Mar 08:36 #
The series is simple 🔥
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