Light should definitely be more careful. Then his dying of a heart attack finds out, and he says a pathetic "goodbye" to him, then he gives out "I am Kira" in the middle of the street. So someone passing by by chance could have heard his confession; one would have thought that this was some kind of joker, and the other would have thought: "what if..." I would not like him to get caught on such bullshit.
It's hard to watch Light get framed like that. I thought she started suspecting him as soon as he looked at his watch after writing down his name. And his further obsession…
@gerado: when you review it 3 times already, for some reason it seems that finding out the name is very far-fetched, also a stupid moment with Aizawa, who sees nothing in front of him
It is not necessary to perceive the characters as robots who always adequately assess the situation. And you don't have to look at everything from your bell tower. During this moment, we only think about whether Light will burn down, and these thoughts do not allow us to fully assess the events on the part of Naomi, who does not know who Kira is. He gained her trust and played on her feelings after the death of her fiance and the desire for revenge. In general, I am personally amazed at how this dialogue is structured and how important all the details are in it. For example, if you immediately watch the final part of the dialogue, then the girl really seems stupid, and if from the beginning, then such a thought does not arise at all, because Light spends a lot of time making sure that she forms the first impression about him that he wants.
Poor girl... It's too harsh... too much. probably this moment will stand in front of my eyes for a long time. this was to be expected, Light himself becomes the god of death, he no longer cares who to kill: criminals or innocent people, for personal gain
It was only on this episode that I realized that I needed to comment on how amazing it is.I really like Ryuk's relationship with light, but the moment with the girl was really very strong and cruel, she was so professional and close.very good.
The series was disappointing. The girl showed her high intelligence and intelligence throughout the series, and how incompetently it was all merged with completely ridiculous obsession and WELL, VERY pale-colored questions. To believe in certain recommendations and entrust your documents is certainly strong.
Hmmm... and also pale yellow. Light also lit up at the police station, and when they were on duty, they left together with the girl. Suicide cases are also conducted in the same way. They will find her body, it will turn out that she came to the police station and that Light was the last person who saw her live. It is clear that it will get out, most likely, but this is an additional attraction to yourself. Then " L " will somehow get the list of passengers on the bus, see that Light was there too. Then the video surveillance of the subway. Plus, he is the son of the head of the investigation team, so he can have access to working files. Croce, the kid is burning. Imho, if I were in Light's place, criminals would have died in different ways from the very beginning and not in such a bunch at the same time, you see, and the connection would not have been found at all. And if they did, she would lie down on the bottom, and not get involved in a chess game, where every subsequent move is not a fact that she will cover her tracks. Most likely, naborot, he will only multiply these traces. It's always like this. There are no perfect crimes. All of them are ruined by vanity.
@Larka1: Perfect crimes exist, we just don't know about them. It makes sense. That's why they're perfect. If they know about the crime, it can no longer be perfect
@Russllann: then how does the information that they exist if no one knows about them? This is already a matter of philosophy, even religion in some way. I'm talking about the genre now, not about life, where some Vasya and Kolya were drinking, Fedya came and stabbed one of them with a knife for an extra stack while the other was passed out, and the police were too lazy to investigate normally. There are hundreds of such situations a day🤷🏼♀️ So, returning to the genre, in my universe, where Sherlocks, Poirot, "L"s and many others reign, there are no perfect crimes😉
@Larka1: so Light, as far as I understood, specifically at the beginning began to kill everyone only with heart attacks in order to attract attention to himself
@mabwch: Hmm... maybe I missed something, but it seemed to me that it came as a surprise to him - when crime was suspected in the mass of "natural" deaths of prisoners. It's just that this surprise fascinated him and he decided to continue playing
@Larka1: I don't remember how directly it was said there, but there is always a possibility that we watched in different voiceovers and could interpret the situation differently through the efforts of translators. In the case of dubbing from English, this happens all the time, but in English, ordinary viewers at least fumble more to independently double-check the original track, if available. I don't know about you, but it won't work for me with Japanese ^^
@Larka1: his initial thought, which he wanted to convey to the masses, is that he is a god who will save humanity from bad people. that's why he killed everyone in one way, so that they would understand that Kira was doing it (for the benefit of people, of course).
I watched the first season a long time ago, but as a teenager I remember empathizing with Light. Like the assistant Chief, it seemed to me that he was not doing the worst thing and they should not have interfered with him. Now I'm watching it again, because I want to watch it to the end, but by this episode I wonder how I didn't notice his rotten essence, which is just masquerading as killing "bad" people, because he wanted to see the death of this girl with such passion, whose life he destroyed. He pursued her like a real serial killer - cold and ruthless, like the ending of the series. Not every screenwriter and writer has the courage, skill and balls to leave the viewer really trembling in horror at the actions of even an antihero, but if it works out, a masterpiece often comes out in the end.
@Desschain: here +++, when I watched as a teenager, I also supported Light, the "fighter for justice", and did not notice his true essence. Now there is a completely different attitude to his actions
As mentioned earlier, the ending is strong. There are few places where you can find this. Although I watch it after reading the manga, I still want her to survive. But alas and ah. This did not happen. Light is just a genius and a very good manipulator. You need to be able to beat everything in your hand in a couple of minutes.
In the Japanese film, the moment of finding out the name was described much more coolly. Somehow everything is more logical there. In general, if you think about it, imagine how much a person inside begins to be cruel, that he is ready to kill any people he meets who somehow interferes with him.
A very strong moment, insanely sorry for the girl. But Ryuk laughed at the end - most likely he saw that the date and time of her death had changed, eh
Well, I hoped she wouldn't fall for his tricks. How can a former FBI agent fall for this? She should know firsthand that no one connects people to such a big deal ON the STREET just by rewriting the data of her ID card. And who did it. A suspiciously annoying schoolboy who, like, helps the investigation, who stupidly cannot have such powers ... It's a shame that such a smart, and thinking in the right direction, a girl so thoughtlessly merged
Still, I don't fully understand everything with the wife of an FBI agent... well, more precisely, my brain is trying to come up with a more interesting story for her than the one where Light slapped her as soon as she showed her driver's license...
I even watched all the previous scenes with her - her name was not mentioned anywhere. She introduced herself to Light with a fake name, then gave her the rights (probably also fake), Kira confessed to her, and she went "I need to do something.".. And against this background, Ryuk is constantly laughing, who knows the girl's name for sure🤔
@kkondrashov2014: When I first watched it, I (apparently) wanted just such a more cleverly contrived episode. it's good that thanks to the cool plot, after a few days I didn't remember about this madam at all))
@terkalton: Actually, when I watched the first time, I couldn't believe she was dead. The way she looks, the aura around the character. She stood out too much, too well-crafted a character. Therefore, I did not believe in her occasional participation. And as it turned out, it's really not just like that. In an interview, the author said that he planned for her to take a huge part in the plot and created this character for a very long time. I don't remember why it was done the way it was done, but I think whoever needs it will Google it.
Well, hz, the girl seems to be smart, but she still behaved in the stupidest way. Now on the street under such conditions, the first person you meet (even the investigator's son) should be given a document with his real name)))))) despite the fact that she got to many nuances with her brains))))) she herself knew that her fiance also gave a document to some person to prove his identity, for which he paid later)
The idea and presentation of the series is, of course, gorgeous. It was interesting to watch their dialogue and Ryuk's antics, but I don't understand at all why everyone thinks that Light pulled off some kind of ingenious scheme here. He obviously failed at so many points, there were so many inconsistencies.. How could an experienced adult woman who worked for the FBI take the word of a schoolboy who introduced himself as one of the participants in a major police investigation? According to her own arguments, Light was very suitable for her version, and she was so stupid to fall for it. But her character had such potential. The heroine was disappointed, in general, as well as the obvious logical relaxation of the screenwriters in favor of the main character.
You see, a person, even a very smart one, does not always act accordingly. Several factors can affect his ability to think. And here they are. She formed a positive impression of Light, thanks to a man in the department who said that he had solved a very difficult case. Secondly, he connected her emotional perception of the world, talking about the groom and that she could take revenge, which already worsens rationality. Why does Light have an ingenious scheme? Because if you don't cling to the moment with the credulity of an agent, which can be explained in general, then he very often gets out of it coolly, manipulates her attention. For example, at the moment when Naomi asks him how he knows secret information, he really does not know what to say, and this pause obviously makes her suspicious. But Light says, Okay. I'll have to tell you. That is, he immediately "explained" his pause to her by thinking about whether to tell her the "truth" or not. Why did she believe him? Yes, she knows that he solved a difficult case not from his mouth. He also explained very plausibly why he was in the group (a negligible number of people who wanted to investigate the case out of fear, so at least some help was needed, and according to him it is clear that he is unofficially recorded, since he is a schoolboy). And there are a lot of similar little things in all two series.
@kkondrashov2014: I agree that even the smartest person in the world is still a human being, and he can make mistakes in conclusions, weaken attention, etc. But in my opinion, the factors that you mentioned and which the screenwriters made the reason for her behavior are very weak, especially the main one - "a positive impression of Light", because the policeman told her that he participated in several investigations, and quite successfully. Why do I think so? Because Naomi herself said that no one can be trusted in this strange case, plus she has a fat argument NOT in favor of Light - she herself came to the conclusion that the main suspects should be a family of policemen, because they were followed by the dead agents, and among them is the one who was followed by her fiance - na That's where she focused her attention. And then Light shows up, tells her that his father is leading the investigation, and that he is also involved in it? This fits perfectly with her version according to all the canons of logic, but here, on the contrary, she weakens suspicion and believes him. Even L said in one episode that Naomi was a strong and intelligent woman when it came to her suicide, and that he didn't believe she would do that. This is another argument in favor of the fact that her "vigilance weakened by trust and emotions", because of which she even showed him her rights, is a very far-fetched moment. She does not behave like most people anyway - she does not fall into depression and hysteria after the death of her fiance, but resolutely decides to investigate his death; puts forward a version that she is sure of, and this version turns out to be correct. This alone speaks to the enormous strength of character and the ability to control herself, as well as her former place of work. Plus, there were enough joints on Light's part - how many times he was overly persistent and meticulous, she even noticed it herself and asked him right in the middle of the conversation, but the authors decided that she would believe him anyway - as if her whole thought process had not happened before this conversation.
@kkondrashov2014: That's why I wanted to say "I don't believe" in this scene, and this is the only moment so far that I didn't like in the series. This is just my opinion, but you may disagree with it, of course. Maybe I'm missing or not understanding something, because most of this series has gone and almost nothing has confused them, but I really think so. 🤷♀️
@peach_witch: Actually, there's a lot of crap in the anime at this point. Try to read this moment in the original manga. Maybe you'll like it better. And so, I agree that this point is controversial, but it seems to me extremely wrong to focus all attention on it and not look at a bunch of smart things in its scheme. I have not seen a scene of this level anywhere else, so well-developed, saturated with original content, although not everything was brought together perfectly. After all, there are conventions in works, even in the most iconic ones. People who liked this episode may have been confused by her behavior, but there were so many decent elements over the course of 20 minutes that they forgave it.
Well, first of all, so far this is just an incredibly intriguing series, on a level no worse than Dexter. I did not expect that I would be so attracted. And secondly, if this schoolboy continues at the same pace to cut out such decent and kind characters as an FBI agent and his girlfriend, I won't have enough nerves. Poor girl, there was such horror in her eyes at the end After all, there are still so many episodes ahead, there will be a moment for everyone where the father will guess and already have to choose whether to remove him, well, then it will be a tin. So, cheering for L!)
Мне кажется наивным, что девушка доверилась школьнику на улице спустя полчаса навязчивого разговора, хождений по пятам и показала своё настоящее имя. Персонаж заслуживал лучшего развития
Всё-таки поражает выдержка лайта. Рюк предлагает сделку, которая поможет узнать имя. Время поджимает, но он все равно не соглашается и ищет выход сам. И у него получается.
Блин, может она все-таки не покончила с собой. А притворилась. Она могла удостоверение фальшивое показать. Единственное, что мешает мне так подумать, Рюк больше не смеялся. Мог ли он проигнорировать тот факт, что имя опять неверное, не знаю
Я возненавидел Лайта за это убийство, она такой персонаж потрясающий Хотя понятно, что он делает то, что должен, чтобы продолжать Но Боже как это было больно Надеюсь ненависть к Лайту пройдёт, а то ещё 30 серий
but L looks like he hasn't slept for a month)
Perhaps even the best in the title
Inspiring
He's kind of weird, though.. He started killing only criminals, now he extinguishes everyone in a row.
I feel very sorry for the girl.
this was to be expected, Light himself becomes the god of death, he no longer cares who to kill: criminals or innocent people, for personal gain
And at the same time, I was worried about Light - I didn't want him to be discovered.
A very intense series, causing conflicting feelings.
Suicide cases are also conducted in the same way. They will find her body, it will turn out that she came to the police station and that Light was the last person who saw her live. It is clear that it will get out, most likely, but this is an additional attraction to yourself.
Then " L " will somehow get the list of passengers on the bus, see that Light was there too. Then the video surveillance of the subway. Plus, he is the son of the head of the investigation team, so he can have access to working files. Croce, the kid is burning.
Imho, if I were in Light's place, criminals would have died in different ways from the very beginning and not in such a bunch at the same time, you see, and the connection would not have been found at all. And if they did, she would lie down on the bottom, and not get involved in a chess game, where every subsequent move is not a fact that she will cover her tracks. Most likely, naborot, he will only multiply these traces. It's always like this. There are no perfect crimes. All of them are ruined by vanity.
So, returning to the genre, in my universe, where Sherlocks, Poirot, "L"s and many others reign, there are no perfect crimes😉
He pursued her like a real serial killer - cold and ruthless, like the ending of the series.
Not every screenwriter and writer has the courage, skill and balls to leave the viewer really trembling in horror at the actions of even an antihero, but if it works out, a masterpiece often comes out in the end.
In general, if you think about it, imagine how much a person inside begins to be cruel, that he is ready to kill any people he meets who somehow interferes with him.
But Ryuk laughed at the end - most likely he saw that the date and time of her death had changed, eh
It's a shame that such a smart, and thinking in the right direction, a girl so thoughtlessly merged
I even watched all the previous scenes with her - her name was not mentioned anywhere. She introduced herself to Light with a fake name, then gave her the rights (probably also fake), Kira confessed to her, and she went "I need to do something.".. And against this background, Ryuk is constantly laughing, who knows the girl's name for sure🤔
The heroine was disappointed, in general, as well as the obvious logical relaxation of the screenwriters in favor of the main character.
But in my opinion, the factors that you mentioned and which the screenwriters made the reason for her behavior are very weak, especially the main one - "a positive impression of Light", because the policeman told her that he participated in several investigations, and quite successfully. Why do I think so? Because Naomi herself said that no one can be trusted in this strange case, plus she has a fat argument NOT in favor of Light - she herself came to the conclusion that the main suspects should be a family of policemen, because they were followed by the dead agents, and among them is the one who was followed by her fiance - na That's where she focused her attention.
And then Light shows up, tells her that his father is leading the investigation, and that he is also involved in it? This fits perfectly with her version according to all the canons of logic, but here, on the contrary, she weakens suspicion and believes him.
Even L said in one episode that Naomi was a strong and intelligent woman when it came to her suicide, and that he didn't believe she would do that. This is another argument in favor of the fact that her "vigilance weakened by trust and emotions", because of which she even showed him her rights, is a very far-fetched moment. She does not behave like most people anyway - she does not fall into depression and hysteria after the death of her fiance, but resolutely decides to investigate his death; puts forward a version that she is sure of, and this version turns out to be correct. This alone speaks to the enormous strength of character and the ability to control herself, as well as her former place of work. Plus, there were enough joints on Light's part - how many times he was overly persistent and meticulous, she even noticed it herself and asked him right in the middle of the conversation, but the authors decided that she would believe him anyway - as if her whole thought process had not happened before this conversation.
And secondly, if this schoolboy continues at the same pace to cut out such decent and kind characters as an FBI agent and his girlfriend, I won't have enough nerves. Poor girl, there was such horror in her eyes at the end
After all, there are still so many episodes ahead, there will be a moment for everyone where the father will guess and already have to choose whether to remove him, well, then it will be a tin.
So, cheering for L!)
Единственное, что мешает мне так подумать, Рюк больше не смеялся. Мог ли он проигнорировать тот факт, что имя опять неверное, не знаю
Хотя понятно, что он делает то, что должен, чтобы продолжать
Но Боже как это было больно
Надеюсь ненависть к Лайту пройдёт, а то ещё 30 серий