@AlkaSergevna_72: I completely agree, she told him from the very beginning, there is a blockage at work, there is no time, do not come. He showed up like an egoist, I want to be with my girlfriend on the anniversary... That is, I have never heard it. Maybe she went too far with the break in the relationship, but he is completely wrong
@Tristia: Ross actually came to check on Rachel to see if she had anything with Mark, not to unload her work day. He didn't trust her and regretted it. But he obviously didn't give a shit.
@Tristia: Is she to blame? Ross attacked another girl at the first opportunity, not even a day has passed, and he is already making out with another, Rachel has not done anything like that. Yes, it didn't turn out very well that she was busy during the anniversary, but that's all she can be accused of.
@Tristia: Ross is a typical owner. He does not perceive Rachel's work as important to her. He is not comfortable with her work! Since Rachel has a piece of her life that doesn't have him in it. Previously, she was always nearby or downstairs in the coffee shop, it was convenient for him. Mark is just an additional excuse for his vile jealousy, self-doubt, and devaluation of Rachel as an individual and a professional in her work. Very infantile, selfish and not mature behavior of an adult man. Unfortunately, there are a lot of such people in life. Rachel absolutely correctly kicked him out of the office and correctly told him everything after. Instead of analyzing his damn selfish actions and talking to his girlfriend a little later, he ran to the first woman he came across and could not restrain his friend, the poor unfortunate infantile.
@jugheadfuckhead: and this is one of a series of people with anxious attachment, who do not understand that the other should have a personal space. And that no one should interfere with either work or dream. It is a pity that it is such people who break normal girls and boys, after which you will not meet anyone, everyone tries to suppress you for themselves, and not accept what you are
Ross is such a nasty character (sorry not sorry). I don't understand why Rachel fell in love with him in the first place. Maybe jealousy in a relationship adds some kind of spice, but, damn, not to every person. Trust is the most important thing in a relationship, and Ross can trust Rachel, but he is absolutely not worthy of Rachel's trust.
@Lorna: I don't understand why Rachel fell in love with him at all-Love, that feeling that defies logic, because of this, under the impulse of love, we can do completely stupid things.
@dsboev: you need to be able to stop in time and understand that your partner is an abuser. It's difficult, but toxic relationships and people should be kept away.
@Lorna: I totally agree. Ross is a bit of a mumbler. He constantly wants others to feel sorry for him, to love him, as if he were the center of the universe. Although it's the parents who are more to blame
@leralynx: This language was specially invented for the series to make it sound like Russian or any Slavic. Phoebe said the diplomats came from a "small Eastern European country." At 22:10, you can clearly hear: "You understand," "clouds, clouds." In such series, in native-speaking countries, the language of foreigners is often changed during dubbing. It is not necessary to do this here, maybe this was the idea of the authors.
@Shm: Phoebe also described that somewhere in the name there is a letter "g", I once thought they were about Afghanistan :) (There was also something similar to "stan" ending when she tried to pronounce the name). I've always wondered what kind of language it is, too! And what kind of country is this? With their love to move the borders of states :))) (I'm talking about the scientist David from Minsk, in Russia xD)
@Shm: The language sounded more like Italian and the way they pronounced the words. And they didn't look like Eastern European/Slavic guys, but somehow more Italian.
Я подумала, что это Монголия. Она же была в составе СССР, там до сих пор русский один из государственных языков, так что логично, что могут быть имена Сергей и Миша.
@Maksim_Brooks: Монго́льская Наро́дная Респу́блика — социалистическое государство в Восточной Азии, существовало с 1924 года по 1992 год. Ну может не прямо в составе, но как и все социалистические страны, активно взаимодействующей с СССР, соответственно, русский там знали многие, если не большинство.
@Nog: Mark wanted to be with Rachel, he did everything to ingratiate himself, and as soon as the couple cracked, pick up the pieces. So I flew in like a kite as soon as I heard that she had broken up with Ross.
@Tardi: In your opinion, is this a worthy reason for such an act? Do you think that if Rachel had cheated on Ross, he would have had every right to do the same?
@andvlada: If you put yourself in Ross's place without knowing the real picture, then it is clear from his side that Rachel is cheating on him, for example, in the process of breaking up, she invited the person who was the main reason for the breakup to her home. Imagine that you left a guy for your mom because you suspect him of cheating with a girl who hangs around with him all the time and therefore quarreled. And then call him to make peace and find out that he has this girl at home.
@DrZIG: That's actually what I'm thinking about! Thank you for putting this idea into words intelligently :) Ross's act does not justify, of course, but I understand the level of his murder for myself based on the point of view above - the guy went into a rage, because a bomb was detonated in his head with this call, which had been ticking for a long time...
@DrZIG: she didn't invite him, he asked for it and came, she told him not to come, on the phone, but he showed up anyway. Rachel didn't cheat on Ross, even mentally. She wanted to be someone important to herself, and she fulfilled her dream by working where she liked.
@Tardi: Correction, they weren't trying to celebrate the anniversary, but Ros showed up and imposed the anniversary celebration. Why couldn't it have been postponed to a more convenient moment?
I also once had a boyfriend who didn't understand this "sorry, I'm busy, I can't do it in any way, please let's do it on the day when it's convenient for BOTH of us", in the end I still got spontaneous surprises", and then resentment for not being able to pay proper attention and phrases in the style of "you don't appreciate at all everything I do for you." Although I warned in advance that I was UNCOMFORTABLE at this time. I felt terribly guilty at the time, but now I understand that on his part it was terrible selfishness and unwillingness to take into account the capabilities of another person. Ros behaves like that in everything too. It's the same with that lecture where he snored and ruined Rachel's whole event.
Well, well, that's a twist. I didn't expect this from Ross, he was always too correct. But it became interesting to watch, otherwise everything is always boring in their relationship. It's a pity, of course, but let's see what happens next :)
@THMPZ: And how annoying Ross is, why can't he die from the flu. It's not even about treason, because fuck him, but he came to a man at work during an obvious emergency, and tried to make him eat bread carelessly. Just that.
@THMPZ: There, judging by their conversation, Rachel had constant troubles, that is, in general, he said everything correctly about the fact that she needed to change her attitude to work, she could work overtime for years, and as a result only nervous breakdowns and a mess in her personal life. But, of course, it takes time to understand all this, that is, he is generally wrong in his actions.
@OhneName: she found a case to her liking, the fact that she just got settled and has not yet adjusted the process for herself and there is an emergency, Mark partially screwed up there before leaving, making the wrong order. There's nothing to blame her for. Ross could have waited for her from work, and just had a picnic at home. Please her and relax her. As it is, she has no one to rely on, and also this selfishness and jealousy on his part...
@DomesticLazyCat: U2 - With Or Without You. Ross put this song on Rachel's radio to apologize to her for making a list of the pros and cons of Rachel and the girl he was dating at the time (I forgot her name).
Is there even 0 guards in this Bloomingdale's? How did some left-handed person from the street, and even with a purse, easily get into one of the head offices? And yes, I'm making a discount for the year of the series. Ross is an idiot, that's the truth, if the relationship gets worse, then there will be an improvement at work. Why the hell would you come to the office and get in the way? If you're not SO sure about yourself, then try out training or a psychologist. This marker just got me.
I understand everything.: this is a TV series and there should be quarrels in a couple's relationship. But when the characters are SO stupid, they, alas, do not cause any sympathy or feelings. You sit and watch with a pokerface, waiting for the next swearing scene to end. Sadly. I hope that this storyline will end soon, everyone will reconcile, etc.)))
I'm surprised that someone is accusing Rachel of something, saying that she is also to blame. What is her fault? is she trying to arrange her life and enjoying a job that she really likes and opens up new opportunities: even if only such as making good money without hating what you do? or maybe it's her fault that she's just at the beginning of this career path, so it's difficult for her, and here Ross is with his stupid and overstepping jealousy? It's an anniversary, of course, but it won't run away, you can celebrate a day later, but don't spoil the mood for anyone and don't put sticks in the wheels of your girlfriend and your relationship as a whole.
and the fact that Ross rushed into bed with the first girl he saw a couple of hours after "let's take a break from us" (which does not mean "let's break up" and does not mean that Rachel wanted this break to go have fun with guys) is even more disgusting. and the fact that Ross *SPOILER* will spin like a frying pan, but will never admit his mistake is disgusting.
@Blackly: I understand when you want to celebrate an anniversary day in, day out, who doesn't want to? but after all, Rachel was really busy, she just had to get through and endure this period when she was so busy at work. Ross did a very ugly thing.
I agree with you about the break, but their break lasted at most 4 hours. how did Ross, after 10 years of incredible love and adoration, after 4 hours (even out of resentment), already rushed into bed with another girl (not even to some close friend, but just almost the first person he met)???
I also don't understand what you can blame Raych for. As if she herself wasn't offended that she had an emergency at work on their anniversary. She is generally new to the department, the person who brought her there and helped her join the work, the team and cope with her duties has left, this is probably her first major working moment, and then they hang up the extra load and blame her. Yes, it was not enough to kill Ross at that moment with his black pepper, he did not want to notice at all and understand what was bothering her. Moreover, if someone had interfered with his work so much, he would certainly have gone berserk, you can at least remember the moment when he had to attend the ceremony, and the people could not get dressed in any way. So Rachel also apologized for raising her voice, although she had every right to do so! God, these two are so much Finn and Rachel to me (coincidence? I don't think) they remind me of Clay. Only Rachel was mostly inadequate there, and Rachel here is quite adequate, even more so.
Not really the topic of discussion. Why are there so many posters in Russian in the background in the series? For example, in the scene where Monica and Phoebe are on a double date in a restaurant, Soviet posters "Bread to the Motherland" hang.
Because at that time, similar Soviet posters were very popular in America, and according to the creators of the series, they hung in almost every apartment)
@Cell: the main wave of migration to America was in the 90s, so such posters and Russian quarters were in New York. From there, there are references, such as to the friendship of peoples after the fall of the Iron Curtain
Both Gavrik behaved so-so. Rachel should not be blamed for the fact that the job became something important to her, but for giving Mark a chance to come, knowing that he was a red rag to Ross. You don't even need to explain anything about Ross and his joint.
But, to be honest, it doesn't look plausible. You don't believe in their breakup, you don't worry. Because the reasons are sooo stupid. It looks just like a director's idea, not really >_>
What a toxic Ross is. I couldn't be happy for Richelle. I came to work for her, in the heat of the moment. I fucked up everything. I also changed it. It sucks.
When I used to watch the series, everything was perceived somewhat differently. Right now, Ross just wants to yell. God, man, you can't be so stuffy! Just because you're not confident in yourself is no reason to act like a moron. Rachel had never given him a reason before this episode. And he clung to this Brand and took off. The fact that he showed up at her place of work when she was in trouble and tried to pull the blanket over himself - well, like a child (well, maaam, well, look, I'm here). And even more significantly, when she came, and he had already cooled down and had the opportunity to think about everything, he still did not understand what was wrong. An egoist and a rag. Ugh. I used to like him so much, he seemed soft, romantic and sincere. The fact that he slept with another woman is already a consequence of everything else.
Rachel pisses me off at times (for example, when she tries to ruin Ross's relationship with other girls), but here I have nothing to reproach her with. She said emotionally that she needed a break because Ross had just frozen her out. She tries to explain to him why she is offended by his selfish and devaluing behavior, and he is like, "Is this all because of Mark?". I wouldn't be surprised if she threw a lamp at him.
Yes, they both messed up, maybe Ross and more. But Rachel also inexplicably called Mark and called him home. Damn, she has four other friends (and probably there are others) with whom she can discuss this situation.
Ross regularly behaves like a jerk, and I don't like him, and his behavior especially angers me later in subsequent episodes, but in this situation in this series in the office and after, I can't help but be on his side. In most cases, I am closer to a person who is more attracted to his partner, wants to be around more, suffers more without him. And here it's clearly Ross. Jealousy – yes, it is close to me. The desire to spend time together and the thirst for the attention of a partner - yes, without this I do not see the point of being in a relationship. And yes, I understand that there are many people for whom work is not "just work", for whom it is important. But I'm not one of them, and for me relationships are incomparably more important than work, and I understand Ross in all this. (By the way, this is rather ambiguous on his part. For him, his work is clearly important. But: we only saw one time when he sacrificed his leisure time with Rachel for work. And it was when they didn't really have a relationship yet. And that evening together wasn't even planned in advance, and it certainly wasn't an anniversary. And at the same time, he invited her to come with him, not that he didn't mind her presence. And he kept asking for forgiveness. So still, based on the available data in this matter, I cannot accuse Ross of inconsistency.) I understand Rachel, but only with my head. I can understand why she was upset and angry, but only with her brain. My feelings are on Ross's side here, and Rachel is for me a girl who ran over a guy for coming to her place of work with a picnic basket, whoooo. And she's acting like she'd rather he didn't care that they almost stopped seeing each other, aaaaaaa?
If Ross was so stuffy and unbearable in previous relationships, then I completely understand Carol, who preferred an understanding and supportive Susan.
And Ross is just a collection of everything that you can hate in a man: an insecure possessive who is ready to tie Rachel to himself almost with shackles. It was so convenient for him when she worked as a waitress; after all, who could be interested in a waitress who mixed up your order, she is always at hand and he did not have to adjust to her, and now that Rachel has finally plunged into a job that she likes, when her schedule also has to be considered - this it became uncomfortable.
Rachel clearly said "break" and not "break up" — these are two different things. And even if we broke up, what kind of love is this, if after a couple of hours you are already climbing on another woman, completely forgetting about the one you supposedly love?
In general, there is a feeling that Rachel is for Ross like the very toy that his parents did not buy as a child. And when I grew up, I bought it myself, and now you don't give it to anyone, not that you touch it, but you don't even allow me to look at it.
I've picked up enough spoilers over the decades I've spent on the Internet. And I know what the end will be... but after all this, I just don't understand.
-How do we decide where we.. You know, each would.. You know.. Be... -Well, we could flip for it. -Yeah, I guess.. But what's heads, and what's tails? -Well, if you don't know that then I don't want to do this with you.
While everyone is discussing Ross and Rachel, I just want to celebrate Phoebe's dates with the diplomat. It was really funny. Especially at the beginning of the series, when Phoebe and the diplomat are cooing sweetly, holding a pen, and the poor translator looms as the third extra and only translates. It's both funny and sad. I am glad that he also got lucky in the form of Monica in the end.
Ross is a clown, of course. I loved Rachel so much, I was so jealous, as a result, a few hours after the so-called break, I slept with another one, well, I could have waited at least until the morning, check with Rachel, did she say it all emotionally?
Rachel, of course, also has no logic, why would she even let Mark into her house at such a moment? Ross is a jerk, but put yourself in his place, what would you think if you heard the voice of the person you are jealous of on the phone?
And 2 more idiots - Joey and Chandler, was it really impossible to take a friend with you? You could have guessed that it wouldn't lead to anything good.
Если осознать, что Росс сох по Рейчел лет 10 (?), наконец ее добился, любовь-морковь, а после крупной ссоры через пару часов уже в кровати с другой, то что мы тут вообще обсуждаем? Несколько лет назад, когда я впервые смотрела, как-то не вникала так глубоко, а сейчас смотрю совсем с другой стороны. Какая бы там обида не была, что бы он не нарисовал у себя в голове о Марке и Рейчел, нет ничего, что оправдало бы его действия, даже то, что «У НАС БЫЛ ПЕРЕРЫВ!!» 🤢
KNOW KNOW KNOW CARL KNOW :with
Rachel absolutely correctly kicked him out of the office and correctly told him everything after.
Instead of analyzing his damn selfish actions and talking to his girlfriend a little later, he ran to the first woman he came across and could not restrain his friend, the poor unfortunate infantile.
Вот это новость
Ну может не прямо в составе, но как и все социалистические страны, активно взаимодействующей с СССР, соответственно, русский там знали многие, если не большинство.
Do you think that if Rachel had cheated on Ross, he would have had every right to do the same?
I also once had a boyfriend who didn't understand this "sorry, I'm busy, I can't do it in any way, please let's do it on the day when it's convenient for BOTH of us", in the end I still got spontaneous surprises", and then resentment for not being able to pay proper attention and phrases in the style of "you don't appreciate at all everything I do for you." Although I warned in advance that I was UNCOMFORTABLE at this time. I felt terribly guilty at the time, but now I understand that on his part it was terrible selfishness and unwillingness to take into account the capabilities of another person.
Ros behaves like that in everything too. It's the same with that lecture where he snored and ruined Rachel's whole event.
There, judging by their conversation, Rachel had constant troubles, that is, in general, he said everything correctly about the fact that she needed to change her attitude to work, she could work overtime for years, and as a result only nervous breakdowns and a mess in her personal life.
But, of course, it takes time to understand all this, that is, he is generally wrong in his actions.
Ross is an idiot, that's the truth, if the relationship gets worse, then there will be an improvement at work. Why the hell would you come to the office and get in the way? If you're not SO sure about yourself, then try out training or a psychologist. This marker just got me.
I did not expect such a turn
It's an anniversary, of course, but it won't run away, you can celebrate a day later, but don't spoil the mood for anyone and don't put sticks in the wheels of your girlfriend and your relationship as a whole.
and the fact that Ross rushed into bed with the first girl he saw a couple of hours after "let's take a break from us" (which does not mean "let's break up" and does not mean that Rachel wanted this break to go have fun with guys) is even more disgusting. and the fact that Ross *SPOILER* will spin like a frying pan, but will never admit his mistake is disgusting.
I hate this episode right now :(
I agree with you about the break, but their break lasted at most 4 hours. how did Ross, after 10 years of incredible love and adoration, after 4 hours (even out of resentment), already rushed into bed with another girl (not even to some close friend, but just almost the first person he met)???
, a sad, toxic character revealed in all its glory
Both Gavrik behaved so-so. Rachel should not be blamed for the fact that the job became something important to her, but for giving Mark a chance to come, knowing that he was a red rag to Ross. You don't even need to explain anything about Ross and his joint.
But, to be honest, it doesn't look plausible. You don't believe in their breakup, you don't worry. Because the reasons are sooo stupid. It looks just like a director's idea, not really >_>
I came to work for her, in the heat of the moment. I fucked up everything.
I also changed it. It sucks.
The fact that he showed up at her place of work when she was in trouble and tried to pull the blanket over himself - well, like a child (well, maaam, well, look, I'm here).
And even more significantly, when she came, and he had already cooled down and had the opportunity to think about everything, he still did not understand what was wrong. An egoist and a rag. Ugh. I used to like him so much, he seemed soft, romantic and sincere.
The fact that he slept with another woman is already a consequence of everything else.
(By the way, this is rather ambiguous on his part. For him, his work is clearly important. But: we only saw one time when he sacrificed his leisure time with Rachel for work. And it was when they didn't really have a relationship yet. And that evening together wasn't even planned in advance, and it certainly wasn't an anniversary. And at the same time, he invited her to come with him, not that he didn't mind her presence. And he kept asking for forgiveness. So still, based on the available data in this matter, I cannot accuse Ross of inconsistency.)
I understand Rachel, but only with my head. I can understand why she was upset and angry, but only with her brain. My feelings are on Ross's side here, and Rachel is for me a girl who ran over a guy for coming to her place of work with a picnic basket, whoooo. And she's acting like she'd rather he didn't care that they almost stopped seeing each other, aaaaaaa?
And Ross is just a collection of everything that you can hate in a man: an insecure possessive who is ready to tie Rachel to himself almost with shackles. It was so convenient for him when she worked as a waitress; after all, who could be interested in a waitress who mixed up your order, she is always at hand and he did not have to adjust to her, and now that Rachel has finally plunged into a job that she likes, when her schedule also has to be considered - this it became uncomfortable.
Rachel clearly said "break" and not "break up" — these are two different things. And even if we broke up, what kind of love is this, if after a couple of hours you are already climbing on another woman, completely forgetting about the one you supposedly love?
In general, there is a feeling that Rachel is for Ross like the very toy that his parents did not buy as a child. And when I grew up, I bought it myself, and now you don't give it to anyone, not that you touch it, but you don't even allow me to look at it.
I've picked up enough spoilers over the decades I've spent on the Internet. And I know what the end will be... but after all this, I just don't understand.
-Well, we could flip for it.
-Yeah, I guess.. But what's heads, and what's tails?
-Well, if you don't know that then I don't want to do this with you.
EPIC
Rachel, of course, also has no logic, why would she even let Mark into her house at such a moment? Ross is a jerk, but put yourself in his place, what would you think if you heard the voice of the person you are jealous of on the phone?
And 2 more idiots - Joey and Chandler, was it really impossible to take a friend with you? You could have guessed that it wouldn't lead to anything good.