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Duration: 110 min.
Released: 27.03.201327.03.2013 23:00
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nens8_8y
nens8_8y
20 Mar 2018, 01:08 #
I thought exactly what Mustafa said. He is so similar to his father, he tries so hard to do exactly as his father raised him, to be true to the values and principles of his father, he so selflessly believes in his father and, first of all, in his father, and not in the sultan (as Suleiman taught him), he does not interfere in any intrigues and does not share anything with his brothers and sister, he even avoids Hurrem and does not interfere in anything, but the sultan is angry at him for this. A wonderful son, a wonderful brother, a wonderful shehzadeh and a worthy future ruler, perhaps more worthy than his father. And so far, he causes much more sympathy than his petty, impulsive brothers.
And I can't understand why Suleiman doesn't take Mustafa on a hike for the third time (the first time he was the same age as Selim, it doesn't bother Selim) and why he doesn't take Bayazed, because he has already grown up since the last campaign. It is clear that it would be very stupid to take all the sons at once, so that there would be no one to ascend to the throne later, suddenly what, but you can take turns. I don't see any logic.
And why didn't they take Selim and Bayazed to Mustafa's for dinner? The elders came, Jihangir came, and what about them? By the way, it was always interesting how Suleiman and Hurrem's children turned out to be all the colors of the rainbow: Mehmet's black hair, the blonde Mihrimah and Jihangir are the same, the red-haired Selim and the fair-haired Bayazed. The same question is also asked about the Sultan's sisters: Suleiman is fair-haired, Beikhan is fair, Hatice is brown-haired and the Shah with black hair. Miracles are simple. They got smart on the selection of actors.
Wow, Lutfi Pasha was unexpectedly surprised. I didn't think that he would care about the feelings of his daughter, and he immediately asked if the marriage was political or not.
Mihrimah is so evil and envious, there is simply no strength. A very unpleasant heroine.
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Sehnsucht
Sehnsucht
04 Jun 2018, 03:32 #
@nens8_8y: As I agree about Mustafa, he is a straight positive hero without questions and reservations, a very worthy person. It's just a shame that he takes such risks (((right now he doesn't listen to anyone at all without Ibrahim.

Mihrimah is just a bitch, I'm sorry. All in the mother, here she is from childhood does not cause sympathy, everything is the opposite, unlike Mustafa.
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Шоич
Шоич
07 Aug 2018, 20:11 #
@nens8_8y: and in my opinion, Mustafa is not so perfect. He is also prone to impulsive and short-sighted actions, at least, for example, this is manifested in relation to his women. I don't see anyone in the Suleiman children who would be able to rule really well.
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nens8_8y
nens8_8y
08 Aug 2018, 23:59 #
@Shoich: yes, I agree about women, but he is still young, we all want to live here and now, take what we want, experience bright emotions,adventures and so on, so on. To get some kind of pleasure from life, after all, and not just to think that it is for the benefit of the future board. This is very clear and understandable, in my opinion. There are no people who would not have any shortcomings at all (Mustafa's character is already teetering on the edge of Marty Sue))). I think he would have been a good enough ruler, better than Suleiman, perhaps, and definitely better than his brothers. At least, he is the only one from shehzade, about whom it is shown that he did anything at all for the state and there is even some hint of systematic work, and not a couple of random benefits from the lord's shoulder.
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Шоич
Шоич
09 Aug 2018, 15:02 #
@nens8_8y: you are right, but the rest of the shehzadeh have not been revealed much so far. Mehmed is also an honest guy, he is drawn to the right thing, but if we forgive Mustafa's mistakes in his youth, then we should not forget that Mehmed is even younger. And the rest of the pot-bellied trifle is not even shown particularly. Until the end of the series, there are 50 episodes, even less, and Selim, the future sultan, is generally still stupid, as it is unclear what, completely undisclosed)
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nens8_8y
nens8_8y
10 Aug 2018, 10:34 #
@Shoich: of course, the question is whether it is Mehmed's fault or not, but he does not even manage a sanjak in his 20s, he has not held any significant position until now. To be honest, I don't remember any important actions of Mehmed, let alone important state actions. So it turns out that, regardless of the reasons, Mustafa is still the best candidate (well, then too)))
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Шоич
Шоич
10 Aug 2018, 17:25 #
@nens8_8y: so he would be happy, it's just that his mother does not want to leave the capital, hd did not wash so she forced Suleiman to delay his son's departure. But he is gaining combat experience after all, but Mustafa is not)
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nens8_8y
nens8_8y
10 Aug 2018, 22:42 #
@Shoich: well, yes, the election of Suleiman in the question of who will go on a campaign has always put me in a dead end. But the joke is that Mehmed goes hiking, he goes, but he doesn't do anything special there either, and after that he has nowhere to apply this experience.
They got this character a little cardboard, like some kind of extra.
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Шоич
Шоич
11 Aug 2018, 20:13 #
@nens8_8y: I am more than sure that Mustafa would not have done anything in the campaign, no one does anything there at all, the advisers consult with each other, and according to them, the sultan then decides. Suleiman, for example, I also don't remember any special military achievements of his. They are the ruling dynasty, you can't throw them into battle, you can only stand and chatter, and still the pashas and military leaders offer solutions, so that later the victory can be attributed to the sultan)
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nens8_8y
nens8_8y
12 Aug 2018, 19:15 #
@Shoich: it probably depends on the specifics of TV and the genre of the series. I also thought about it, the campaigns look something like this: the sultan and all the cool men meet over the map, some complain about how bad everything is, others brag about how good they are, and the enemy is a coward, the sultan praises or scolds and tells them to "take all necessary measures". Everyone goes to take all the necessary measures, then a couple of minutes of cheap grafon with drawn checkers, the sultan and Ibrahim with terrible faces are ahead of the troops and now they are already returning to Istanbul, all the aunts are kissing Suleiman's hand, a happy ending. And after N episodes we will find out that the next campaign has failed, because the military leaders are stupid, but Ibrahim was such a good fellow, how much he did for all these conquests. And what exactly he did is unclear.
But yes, you are right that just as it is unclear what Mehmed did, it is also unclear what Mustafa did. It remains only to accept or not to take on faith their words about who is good in "state affairs" and who is not good. And to judge by their universal actions, which are poorly connected with the state...
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Шоич
Шоич
13 Aug 2018, 14:38 #
@nens8_8y: my god, the perfect description, laughed out loud hd
Well, yes, and for universal reasons-that one, that the second (I realized that there is not a single character in the series for me, to whom I would feel direct unconditional sympathy. I am on the side of Hurrem, but this does not mean that I consider all her actions to be correct. I liked Nigar for a very long time, and then she started an affair with Ibrahim, and everything went wrong. The best character was, perhaps, Daie, and she has been gone for many episodes.
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nens8_8y
nens8_8y
13 Aug 2018, 17:02 #
@Shoich: yeah, it's a real ambush with good characters here, because everyone acts almost the same. I liked a lot of people in different periods as a character, interesting, but almost all of them either deflated and became boring and / or infuriating, or disappointed. As people, very few people like anyone. Just Mostafa Bali Bay -- the only one never had any complaints, and, by the way, both so perfect, almost unbelievable)
I was on the side of Hürrem at some point, but many were on the side of the anti-Hürrem (because it's a series like Hürrem against all :DD). Nigar also liked her for a long time, and during the affair she even liked her, they had such deep, forbidden feelings, but then...I don't want to accidentally spoiler, I don't remember if it was already, but my disappointment was connected with politics, not with love. It was only towards the end of the story that Daiya began to like it, at first it was indifferent, then it aroused respect, but not any special emotions.
But I'm definitely on the side of the anti-Ibrahim, hahah)) That's really who the vile worm is)
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Шоич
Шоич
14 Aug 2018, 00:53 #
@nens8_8y: let's have five! :D Ibrahim is straight beeeeeee. Although the series has become more boring without him, it seems to me. But I think that it was not his merit that was interesting before, it's just that the plot is already too burdensome somehow)
Bali-bey-daaa, a very good character, but boring for me ( I don't know why, but his story with neither the first girl nor the second did not touch him. There is nothing to talk about with Mihrimah at all. And yet, he is certainly much more loyal to the sultan and does not expect anything in return than was the same Ibrahim, whose greed consumed the whole world :/

The whole anti-Hurrem group pisses me off just to the point of shaking. Because they're stupid, seriously. Shah is smart, but also infuriates, because she gets hd
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nens8_8y
nens8_8y
14 Aug 2018, 11:54 #
@Shoich: Yes, I agree. I was really waiting for Ibrahim's death, because he was infuriating more and more and because I was tired of it, I wanted changes. But the more Hurrem's enemies are mowed down, the more boring it becomes. Firstly, Walide and Ibrahim are really strong opponents, and not this ridiculous chicken coop. The shah doesn't seem to be a fool either, but it's not the same, even though I really liked her. Secondly, at the beginning, this enmity looked natural, there was a real reason. But the further it goes, the more it looks like sucking some problems and reasons for quarrels out of your finger. From the series, the rooms were not divided.
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Шоич
Шоич
14 Aug 2018, 13:29 #
@nens8_8y: Yes, I agree.
At one time I respected Valide very much, until she began to bend so much that even Daye sided with Hurrem. I feel sorry for her, of course, but I should have thought earlier and not brought her to extremes. And it was not Hurrem who killed her, again, but Ibrahim and Nigar.
Plus, for the life of me, I don't see anything wrong with the fact that Hurrem was so eager to monopolize the Sultan's attention. These excuses, they say, according to tradition, he should pay attention to the entire harem - complete nonsense, he still would not have the whole harem in bed, there would be the same favorites at different times. She gave birth to children to him, the argument "there are no heirs" does not roll. Now she has got into power, I could still understand why the Shah is drowning her so much, because she wanted to run everything herself, but the rest are all purely female claims and quibbles. Hatice generally endures with this Ibrahim, an unbalanced, rabid hysterical woman. She does not feel sorry for her children, nor for herself, and then she is offended that she was remarried. Yes, there was no justice for her at all. And to blame Hurrem for the death of Ibrahim, at least, is not very smart (here the Shah is surprised that she does the same, because she is more intelligent). Yes, she added fuel to the fire, but this conflict between them and the sultan had been maturing for years and would have spilled out sooner or later without her.
And indeed, the further away, the dumber the reasons for quarrels. With this debt, it's generally a shame. Hurrem wanted the best, but it turned out to be to her own detriment.
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Шоич
Шоич
14 Aug 2018, 14:57 #
@Shoich: here's another thing that annoyed valide. How many times did Hurrem try to make peace, bow her head, say selfishly, they say, it's not for Mahidevran to leave the harem, but she was right. And Valida kept turning up her nose. And how many times I tried to make peace with Hatice and in general. In fact, all these chickens themselves brought this to this.
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nens8_8y
nens8_8y
15 Aug 2018, 03:34 #
@Shoich: there are just a hundred pluses here! It's very disappointing for this. Yes, Hurrem often behaved like a habalka. But for a very long time she really treated Hatija well, helped her or at least did not interfere with her. She treated Valida with respect for a very long time. And for a long time she left a chance for a normal relationship, she was ready to bend herself (it's already strange, for that time such thoughtfulness and reasonableness of Hurrem is not peculiar). And they both didn't want to, well, purely because of some female...ghyr knows what. Like, keep your head down. Did Mahidevran keep her head down? Yes, she did everything the same, only the sultan did not allow her to stick out too high, and Hurrem did. And so Mahidevran would still do something else if she had the opportunity. And Hurrem wouldn't do anything if she didn't have it. Well, how is one better than the other?
And she tried to make peace with Ibrahim Hurrem. Even, in my opinion, more than once. But once for sure. And I believe that it was sincere. That's really who was stupid, so stupid. Rustem won't be stupid and did not lose, our slippery friend))))))
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nens8_8y
nens8_8y
15 Aug 2018, 03:40 #
@Shoich: yes, everyone tried to monopolize the Sultan's attention, absolutely. And even those same sons of his-only more than one lady appeared in bed, they are already deciding who was the first here and who will remain the last. And everyone wants the same thing. And, in my opinion, the phenomenon of the Hurrem monopoly is not what it was and how it held on to power, but how much power Suleiman gave it. As well as Ibrahim, actually.
After all, who made her five children, she did not put herself so uniquely on all imaginable laws. And so on.

Ibrahim is the most terrible enemy to himself, it has been said many times and I completely agree with this. He did everything for his own death and even more, no one would have done as much as he managed.
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Шоич
Шоич
15 Aug 2018, 15:45 #
@nens8_8y: you know, I've been thinking a lot about her behavior, putting myself in her place. And she came to the conclusion that she did not know what she would have done in this or that situation. In a position where either you or you, you don't have to be particularly amygdala. Sometimes I was even taken with admiration, because I often caught myself thinking that I would never get out like this, and Hurrem found a way out of the most hopeless situations, you can't deny her that. Only a smart woman could stay alive for so many years with so many enemies and in such a good position, and not be a beggar/abandoned somewhere out there.
The war with Mahidevran in general was provoked by her, she took it upon herself to poison and beat a new favorite. In general, I came to the conclusion that Mahidevran pushed the sultan away from herself. As soon as Hurrem appeared, she began to look at him with a sour face forever, whining, complaining. Who and when did it help at all? I should have been smarter. No, as a girl of my century, of course, I am generally against all these things in order to keep a man, but then their whole life depended on it, it was very stupid to drip a young frisky and, most importantly, always getting everything he wants, the sultan, surrounded by beauties, on the brains of his eternal dissatisfaction.
It's funny that Hurrem periodically also made such a mistake, coming only to complain, but she always alternated it, behaved more subtly anyway, not like the stupid Mahidevran. How, how was it possible to get all the power, and then make such a mistake on huge embezzlement? She's a fool, and that's it. I will never change my opinion about her hd

And yes, I absolutely agree, the sultan gave great power to two people, it just turns out that Ibrahim and Hurrem found the key to him, since he was so ready to turn a blind eye to everything.
In general, looking at this sultan, I do not understand him, he is some kind of mumble with strange abrupt actions. How many times did Ibrahim and Hurrem warn him about something really serious, the first-about Iskander, for example (well, he was right to some extent), the second-about his sisters or mother, and he always shrugs off and says, they say, no, it can't be. And then he is betrayed, and he is so sincerely surprised. I could have listened sometimes. Although, if I had listened, Ibrahim and Hurrem would have been lying in their graves for a long time, probably hd
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nens8_8y
nens8_8y
15 Aug 2018, 16:33 #
@Shoich: I don't know, on the one hand-of course, yes, if she stayed in power for so many years in such a cruel and ruthless world, apparently there was something in her after all. On the other hand , I couldn't figure out what it was from this series. And I don't think this Hurrem is smart. Sometimes, yes, she does some sensible things, a couple of times-even admiring, but almost always at a late age. From the very beginning, she generally looked like a complete fool and did nothing smart. She just screamed, brawled and presented her rights.
I don't really agree with Mahidevran either. Yes, she certainly doesn't have the grip of a Hurrem, you can't argue with that. But still, in most cases, they did the same thing. Only the sultan reacted to this for some reason in different ways. That's all. For example, Mahidevran made a mistake on what-she sent the poison Hurrem, and even for the sultan's table! The act, of course, is stupid, you can't say anything, how could you be sure that the sultan would not eat it? No way. But Suleiman killed her for this for the rest of her life! At the same time, he knew, he knew for sure that Hurrem had tried to kill Mahidevran in the same way! And he made her ay-yay-yay, but then he forgot it and everything became OK again. Is that how it is?? I'm not on anyone's side here, but I'm infuriated by this hypocrisy, duplicity and double standards, I can't accept it, well, I can't.

Dak and how many times he was warned about the same Hurrem and Ibrahim, he also did not listen)
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Шоич
Шоич
15 Aug 2018, 21:31 #
@nens8_8y: you can't understand much from this series, in general, it causes strange emotions in places hd
And yes, maybe it's the same thing, only Mahidevran immediately pierced, and Hurrem successfully covered her tracks and saved herself many times with her foresight)

Well, yes, I say, I would have listened-they would not have been hd
But, on the other hand, these two were closest to him, it's very difficult to believe about them and their meanness, here you can understand him. But in some cases, he turned a blind eye to the misdeeds of other people, responding to those whom he trusts most: "Everything is oknorm, it seems to you that this is a serious accusation, everything is not true."
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Байхор
Байхор
05 Oct 2019, 15:30 #
Well, what kind of custom do they have, with one slap in the face, they immediately fall off their feet and be sure to beat against something at the same time?
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Kira1964
Kira1964
11 Aug 2020, 03:29 #
Bayezet is acting VERY stupidly. The ruler already develops a great distrust and anger towards his son because of his mistakes with archery and quarrels with Selim, so it's also scary to imagine what will happen after SUCH an act. It seems to me that the sultan will not just be angry/furious/angry, but will completely stop trusting his son(( and in general it is sad that they have not yet had such a profession as a psychologist there, because I see that Bayezet needs psychological support and help more than any other of the Hurrem children.

Mihrimah didn't kill Esmahan, did she?... If she did, it would be a fiasco 🤦 ♀ ️

I think Hurrem will eventually achieve the sale of the house for the construction of a mosque, this is Hurrem: DDD is a good thing and they offer a lot of money, so why not sell this house? :/

The troika of hyenas is again plotting another failed murder of Hurrem)) classic 👍 😝

I have already written, but I will write again that I sincerely feel sorry for Bali Bey, he is simply being torn to pieces from both sides. As far as I understand, he has forever closed his heart to anyone's love and does not feel mutual sympathy for Mihrimah. The sultan's daughter, in turn, also behaves VERY stupidly, she is essentially chasing Bali Bey and all the time wants him to fall in love with her/notice/reciprocate 🤷 ♀ ️ However, if I could choose, I would choose Rustem as a couple for her, although this will never happen, unfortunately, it seems to me that he would be better suited to her and would sincerely love her. And Esmahan would choose Mehmed (although again, this will never happen, unfortunately, due to the fact that they are relatives and Mehmed does not reciprocate her feelings (blunts in short😬 😤)) because my inner furious schipper wants normal couples, and not this is all
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unspiritual
unspiritual
22 Aug 2020, 03:29 #
I don't understand what the problem is with giving Mihrimah to Balibei. And the daughter is happy and bey is there.
In general, the relationship between Hurrem and Mihrimah causes contradictory feelings. On the one hand, like a mother hen, and on the other, as she barks at her daughter, I start putting off a house made of bricks.
I understand that Hurrem will give his daughter to whoever she wants
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Olessya14
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07 Oct 2022, 16:03 #
@unspiritual: потому что Хюррем хочет использовать дочь в своих целях, и выдать её за кого-то кто укрепит её позиции в политическом смысле
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Williams_1864
Williams_1864
08 Feb 2021, 16:16 #
Mihrimah may be a bitch, but I really like her. It's a pity that nothing happened with Bali-Bey. And I'm glad that she hit Esmahan, from the very beginning this innocent lamb was infuriating.

Bali-Bey is sorry, he was surrounded from all sides, but I like how he behaves with dignity, and does not justify himself to anyone. A good example of a real man in my opinion. I love it from the first seconds of BB! ❤
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borshik_ad
borshik_ad
06 Apr 2022, 21:06 #
Вообще! Любит - все сделает, не любит - так и скажет. И никаких игр, лукавства. Красота
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Olessya14
Olessya14
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07 Oct 2022, 16:04 #
@Williams_1864: Михримах вообще достойная доча своей мамульки :) такой пример интриг и многоходовок с детства. Вобрала в себя всё лучшее, так сказать
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pchenskikh
pchenskikh
28 Oct 2021, 17:51 #
— Хотела бы я сказать "Аминь", да не получается :)
😂😂😂
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Ulofa1
Ulofa1
03 Sep 2022, 04:43 #
Шах султан говорит о халатности Хюррем, а ее дочь единственная будто душка… зачем винить Хюррем если она не может всегда следить за 5 детьми . Будто кто-то другой следит за своими двумя
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Petrushanik
Petrushanik
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No, well, this is completely ridiculous...to the point of absurdity. Hatice and the Shah Ala Dynasty just blame Hurrem and Rustem for EVERYTHING.
Mustafa disobeyed the Sultan..It's all Rustem's fault, in the end Mustafa made the right choice: hi-hi, Hurrem again failed...The Sultan did not approve of Esmahan's marriage to Balibey...Hurrem is to blame, she upset the wedding, and there are many such examples.
Yes, Hurrem is not a gift, but the Dynasty looks even worse in my eyes, considering that they are their mother DYNASTY!! I judge by behavior and actions. It's a shame that at first I liked the Shah, how she behaved with dignity... And now only the habits of Hatice 🙄
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