s01e13 — Savoureux

Name: Savoureux
Released: 2013-06-20
Rating: 4.698
Cast: Mads Mikkelsen, Hugh Dancy, Laurence Fishburne, Caroline Dhavernas, Gillian Anderson

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Discussion of the 13 episode of the 1 season
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Filadora

18 Jan 2015, 16:54 #

I'm starting to watch the second season, but according to the results of what I've watched, I have too many questions left.
First of all, a hundred percent mess with Will's diagnosis. Fever under forty, hallucinations, memory lapses, headache - and doctors persistently do not think about the infection of the brain?? Yes, with such symptoms, even in the hospital of Mukhosransk, they would think about brain inflammation.
Secondly, Will woke up on the plane alone, Abigail left, i.e. she was alive and well. Didn't any cameras at the airport record this? And not a single camera recorded the arrival of the Lecturer? Have you also not checked the lists of arriving and departing passengers? Very strange! But with such a check, the name of the Lecturer would definitely come up. And Jack Crawford might have wondered what Hannibal was doing there.
I hope the second season will not disappoint))

atsumiri

26 Jan 2015, 02:18 #

cameras are generally greatly neglected there. and other ways of investigating murders....

Roland23

14 Feb 2015, 04:11 #

Well, yes, and in the end, how can Hannibal disappear for who knows how long to go to another state, wait there, kill, dismember, remove, take him to another state, throw him there, shove him under his nails and come all combed fresh again.
And it's not just once. It feels like he doesn't sleep at all and the time in his day is 48 hours.

pastornak

21 Mar 2015, 20:07 #

so she didn't fly back, he flew alone

Roland23

22 Mar 2015, 04:35 #

@pastornak: well, yes, here only then you understand

Firefoxie

17 May 2015, 16:47 #

@Filadora: Oh, yes, you have removed all my indignation from my tongue. This is nonsense. I understand that Will has encephalitis and he is not able to assess the situation adequately, but do his colleagues from the FBI have no suspicions about Lecter?

owlways

10 Jul 2015, 04:20 #

@Filadora: Yes, every episode I wonder several times - why, why would no one think of doing all the tests again. Of course, there is the genius of the Lecturer in everything, but some inconsistencies, neglect of such things, and too perfect execution of everything - that there are no clues, no clues, spoil the overall impression a little.
But, despite this, there is still something about this genius that the Lecturer admires. And even more - that Will, even despite his illness, came to the right conclusion. That's just his (hot, almost massive) blind faith and trust in the Lecturer all season did their job. Hannibal really knows everything very well. He doesn't even have to go anywhere)) Everyone in turn comes running and tells, everyone has their own experiences and comments. And at the same time terribly sorry for Will. In this regard, the Lecturer wins - he sees everything a few steps ahead when Will, an honest guy, immediately and directly says what and how, what he sees and believes. He does not have enough of this - first think about it and think about the consequences .... oh, how lacking. I don't even know now what to expect from the second season)

IrinkaP

18 Apr 2016, 17:14 #

@owlways: They don't do repeated tests because they trust Lecter very much. He said they didn't find anything!
It's a stretch in fact, because time is passing and the disease is developing, it would be high time to do a second scan.
Only it's useless, they tell us that it's useless: Hannibal will still be there and the results will be what they need.

Shirik_451

29 Mar 2016, 00:25 #

@Filadora: He could have come by car, just like in this series.

Luntik650

21 May 2020, 03:48 #

@Shirik_451: that's just there by car 19 hours to go from Baltimore

3Hansel3

23 Dec 2022, 10:02 #

@Luntik650: as fast as possible, and even 19 hours is quite realistic when interested not to leave traces.

PlayerENO

18 May 2023, 01:00 #

@Filadora: Lecter's genius, which was in the original, was turned into the stupidity of his colleagues)
Except Will was alone on the plane, that's where you made a mistake.

Jusidy

23 Mar 2015, 22:23 #

Handsome Will, he figured it out after all! =)

Seraph6

11 May 2015, 14:13 #

@Jusidy: But he was stupid for an unrealistically long time. Already even Jack began to suspect, but Hannibal - nothing. It is clear that according to the scenario, the denouement could not come before the last episode of the season, but this is Will and Jack's blind trust in Hannibal.

snoopyguma

02 Jun 2015, 04:26 #

@Seraph6: Of course, he was brainwashing him all the time.

mr_monument

04 Apr 2015, 19:13 #

I've never been so worried about any character as I was about Will. To be honest, because of the dynamism of events in the series, I tried not to notice any mistakes at all. The series is wonderful and confidently replenishes the piggy bank of my favorite series.

katastrophe

18 May 2020, 01:20 #

I'm reviewing it again and I like it so much that the completely confused, unhealthy, almost lost Will in this episode begins to see clearly and says firmly several times: "I know who I am, and I couldn't kill them." It's unrealistically cool, how strong is this person?

marry9233

26 Apr 2015, 21:15 #

Hannibal is devilishly cunning
and who will call his son Hannibal =)

3Hansel3

23 Dec 2022, 10:06 #

@marry9233: and he will give you his last name as a position. "There's a lecture today. The lecturer is a Cannibal." In Russian translation it should sound like "The teacher is an Ogre"

nurie

15 Mar 21:50 #

Well, maybe in honor of the ancient Hannibal? But yes, it sounds like a pseudonym — too pretentious.

Шакал_Табаки

PRO

01 May 2015, 23:45 #

Brain tumor, Will in prison, declassified Ganiball... And this is only the end of the first season.

3Hansel3

23 Dec 2022, 10:06 #

@Jackal_tabaki: Inflammation of the brain, not a tumor.

Firefoxie

17 May 2015, 16:54 #

It looked something like this:
Will: "I'm being framed and this man is well acquainted with all the details of the cases and the evidence"
Crawford: "No, no one like that comes to mind"

wtf?

3Hansel3

23 Dec 2022, 10:08 #

@Firefoxie: Crawford was unaware of the contents of the conversations between Graham and the Ogre. Crawford didn't know that Graeme was telling the Ogre everything.

DaZ

27 Mar 2023, 13:33 #

Crawford also shared working moments. As I understand it, the Lecturer does not belong to the FSB, but at the same time the throne of the FSB is consulted and everything is brought on a platter)

felixkriventzov

30 May 2015, 16:35 #

In Soviet Russia, Will Graham is in prison, and Hannibal is outside :)
I liked the ending, I'll watch the second season, but I still expected more from the first one.

vishnyamalinka

11 Jun 2015, 15:48 #

I feel sorry for Will ((( good dude, he loves dogs...

rock_n_lina

13 Jun 2015, 15:34 #

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morze_polnocne

24 Sep 2015, 00:43 #

@rock_n_lina: does a degree in psychology limit feelings and their manifestation?

bichitoo

11 Oct 2015, 12:11 #

@rock_n_lina: I'll tell you a secret. psychologists are also people and they have feelings.

Chanterelle

26 Jun 2015, 18:11 #

Hannibal's smile is sinister at the end...

Fiore-sama

27 Jul 2015, 07:18 #

Oh, what a charming little bitch...)

Куб

06 Aug 2015, 13:38 #

I just want to hit the Lecturer because of Will.
You look at Will and you see a lost child, even if he's a genius. I want to protect such a person, but not to mock in this way!

id__0_0morgan

14 Aug 2015, 14:13 #

I'm sorry for Abigail, I really liked the character, I hoped to the last that she was alive.

3Hansel3

23 Dec 2022, 10:10 #

@id__0_0morgan: she is an accomplice to a series of murders, why feel sorry for her? So many girls died with her help.

peachisapple

06 Mar 22:11 #

@3Hansel3: She was trying to survive, her own father wanted to kill her. Are you really so easily ready to push the responsibility onto the victim?

3Hansel3

08 Mar 02:46 #

@peachisapple: She was quite an adult now. I should have gone to the police right away.

peachisapple

08 Mar 08:26 #

@3Hansel3: she has been around a person who poses a danger to her all her life, this literally affects her development. you would also advise victims not to agree to communicate with a pretty stranger their age.

3Hansel3

08 Mar 15:58 #

@peachisapple: This is excusable as long as the person is underage. And a capable, adult person already thinks with his head and is able to realize his actions. They do not live in Taliban Afghanistan so that an adult woman obeys the will of a man so meekly. He didn't keep her locked up, she went to school and college, talked a lot with other people, with the same teachers, so that she could start thinking with her own head. She lived a modern life quite well. There were more than enough moments to escape.

peachisapple

08 Mar 16:03 #

@3Hansel3: Abigail is 19 years old, this is yesterday's teenager. She was trying to survive. Yes, at the cost of the lives of others, to say that she does not deserve pity... You want to believe that everything could have been different if she had behaved correctly. But it doesn't work that way with abusers and maniacs.

3Hansel3

08 Mar 16:05 #

@peachisapple: So you can justify the inaction of the police. Cops don't catch maniacs because they're afraid of them. They can also be understood and pitied.

3Hansel3

08 Mar 16:07 #

@peachisapple: This does not work with abusers and maniacs when dealing with them directly. And if you connect the police, especially the police are on their ears, they've lost their way - they're looking for a maniac, then everything works right away. They would have split her father in one fell swoop, and would not have allowed the father to his daughter.

peachisapple

08 Mar 16:08 #

@3Hansel3: no, for the police this is a job) they learn this and they are adults.

peachisapple

08 Mar 16:11 #

@3Hansel3: have you watched the series diagonally or yes?) Out of fear for her own life, Abi began to help her father kill, and then, obviously, she was afraid that she would be held accountable if she was caught. (even in the hospital, she held on to her innocence until the last moment) you demand from her a composure that she does not have and cannot have.

3Hansel3

08 Mar 16:16 #

@peachisapple: For this, there is a criminal article, complicity in murder. No judge in reality seriously considers options about the intimidation and helplessness of an adult. Madina Shakirova was given 15 years for helping the cannibal Sukletin kill people, no one justified her. You probably looked at it diagonally, in the hospital she was only thinking about not going to jail.

peachisapple

08 Mar 16:21 #

@3Hansel3: Well, what am I saying?) She knew that she would not escape responsibility, so she did not confess to the hospital either. you also read my comments diagonally, lmao.

you are playing with facts, Madina is not Skuletin's daughter, the example is incorrect. in this case, the fact of kinship and the obviously victimized position could be a revelation for Abi. This can be regarded as aiding and abetting, and these are different things.

3Hansel3

08 Mar 16:26 #

@peachisapple: You couldn't. No court would have acquitted her. Yes, they would consider the pressure of the father as a mitigating circumstance, but in no way would he justify it. She would have gotten time anyway. And the court would not consider her an innocent lamb, as you present her.

peachisapple

08 Mar 16:28 #

@3Hansel3: We could, the measure of responsibility is a controversial issue. I do not consider her an innocent lamb, she is a victim, the threat to her life was constant and real. you are trying to deny this fact.

3Hansel3

08 Mar 16:32 #

@peachisapple: Let's figure it out. She is not a completely innocent lamb. Do you agree? She is to blame for the deaths of the girls. Do you agree? Yes, there is a mitigating factor - the pressure of the father. But this is only a mitigating factor, it is not a complete excuse. Do you agree? And if there is guilt, then you can blame her. Do you agree?

peachisapple

08 Mar 16:37 #

@3Hansel3: I did not say that she is an absolutely innocent lamb, you are fantasizing again) I said that Abigail's actions were dictated by circumstances and in this situation she is a victim whose degree of guilt is debatable.

3Hansel3

08 Mar 16:42 #

@peachisapple: Stop. Is she guilty? Or is she not guilty at all and deserves full justification?

peachisapple

08 Mar 16:45 #

@3Hansel3: is this where I was talking about full justification and lack of guilt?) you are analyzing what has been said in a strange way. Reread my comments, I'm not a parrot, I won't repeat it.

3Hansel3

08 Mar 16:48 #

@peachisapple: So her guilt is there, not like her father's. If her father was worthy of the death penalty, then she should have just been given a few years in prison. And, when she has served time, let her go free. She's guilty, that's why I blamed her.

peachisapple

08 Mar 16:52 #

@3Hansel3: I understand. I just didn't like that you were only accusing her and at the same time denying her position as a victim.

3Hansel3

08 Mar 16:59 #

@peachisapple: I don't know. According to the series, looking at her, somehow there were no significant mitigating factors. In the hospital, I saw not a victim, but a cunning, resourceful man who is trying to save his skin from prison. But I am very sorry for her father's victims. Those girls could live and live, and do nothing wrong to anyone.

peachisapple

08 Mar 17:04 #

@3Hansel3: I watched Hannibal twice, the first time as a teenager and then I got into this girl. She was my age, and I understand that her father's upbringing left its mark. she did everything to survive (in every sense).

She could have lived too, and would have been innocent of anything if she had been born into another family.

3Hansel3

08 Mar 17:08 #

@peachisapple: Read the story of the maniac Spesivtsev. I don't see any justification for his mother's actions. In Novokuznetsk, she lured children to his punishment. Oh, granddaughters, help me carry the heavy bags to the apartment.But we had a pioneer upbringing back then. A pioneer should help old ladies. And no one else saw these pioneer girls alive. Do you also see a victim in Spesivtsev's mother? "This is my son, how am I going to turn him in to the police?" There is a video of her interrogation online. I don't see any excuse for her.

peachisapple

08 Mar 17:10 #

@3Hansel3: I won't read about this maniac, I had enough at the university, thank you.

mother and daughter are different things, (one of them is an adult, okeida) stop, please, for the second time I repeat, making incorrect comparisons.

3Hansel3

08 Mar 17:27 #

@peachisapple: And you'd better appreciate it from the tortured girls. They trusted a friend, were honest and open with her, and she turned them in to a maniac. And moreover, she was as natural and friendly as possible, so that they would trust her. Did she have a conscience at least somewhere? Did she even feel sorry for the victims? Did she try to dissuade her girlfriends when their relationship had already become friendly?

peachisapple

08 Mar 17:30 #

@3Hansel3: I do not forget to evaluate them, but at the same time I will not transfer Abi to the category of unambiguous murderers without the right to justification. The main creature here is her father, he deserves the worst.

3Hansel3

08 Mar 17:39 #

@peachisapple: If Abi had a conscience, she would have done something to save her girlfriends. She was not absolutely and meekly let down by her father to the point of being unable to say even a few words. It would have affected her mentally, and she would clearly not have looked like a modern, full-fledged girl, but would have looked like a laggard in development. If she were always almost on a leash with him, then you can still somehow understand that she could not warn anyone. For example, how Josef Fritzel did not leave his slave daughter alone at liberty for 24 years.

peachisapple

08 Mar 17:45 #

@3Hansel3: I don't agree with that. people are different, respectively, their ways of mimicking will be different, because the psyche works differently, appearance is not an indicator.

3Hansel3

08 Mar 17:51 #

@peachisapple: If a person is so depressed that he cannot physically utter an unnecessary word. Physically, he has a barrier, he is in terrible terror and his hands are shaking with fear, and if you ask him about it, he will have a panic attack and hysteria. Then it will be noticeable when communicating. Even if not from the first time, but after a little conversation, it will be clear that something is wrong with the person.

And if she behaved normally when communicating, then she wasn't so fucked up that she completely forgot about her conscience. She just didn't care about these girls, that's all.

peachisapple

08 Mar 17:53 #

@3Hansel3: well, of course, the only true criterion) is a very alternative logic.

3Hansel3

08 Mar 17:59 #

@peachisapple: She didn't care about her girlfriends, that's all. And it is quite possible that over time she would have joined her father in his hobby.

peachisapple

08 Mar 18:02 #

@3Hansel3: No, she was thinking about what had happened, about her guilt, about her record. She didn't care.

history does not know the subjunctive mood, and demonizing Abigail in absentia is stupid.

3Hansel3

08 Mar 18:04 #

@peachisapple: Exactly. Did Spesivtsev's mother lure the girls to a maniac for punishment? Get a deadline. Did Abi lure her girlfriends to a maniac for punishment? Get a deadline. That's all, no subjunctive mood.

peachisapple

08 Mar 18:07 #

@3Hansel3: Stop implicating another maniac and she would be nervous.

You're talking nonsense, Abi paid for everything in full and without a sentence. the question is closed, I have not changed my opinion. you can run around as much as you want.

3Hansel3

08 Mar 18:10 #

@peachisapple: How did she pay off? Died in this episode? Well, then we must consider this a payback, and not regret it.

peachisapple

08 Mar 18:47 #

@3Hansel3: I feel sorry for the heroine who became a victim of circumstances and ended her life too quickly, from one maniac to another.

and don't tell me how to feel, keep your gaslight to yourself.

3Hansel3

08 Mar 19:11 #

@peachisapple: So you came to me for a comment, not me to you. And which one of us is gaslighting?

peachisapple

08 Mar 20:37 #

@3Hansel3: you are gaslighting with your own "it is necessary to count ", twisting the meaning of my previous (after that) comment, and you understand this perfectly well.

3Hansel3

09 Mar 02:05 #

@peachisapple: you understand perfectly well that you came to me under a comment and impose your opinion, frankly gaslight. And I'm not messing up anything in the comments.

peachisapple

09 Mar 07:52 #

@3Hansel3: I did not impose, but expressed my point of view, explaining it.

you misrepresented my comment, and tried to convince me that I shouldn't feel sorry for Abi.

3Hansel3

09 Mar 08:39 #

@peachisapple: And I explained to you that I don't see any reason to feel sorry for her. Her actions did not lead to the theft of a purse on public transport, not to squandering the budget, but to the terrible and painful death of innocent girls. There are no excuses for such terrible crimes. And she doesn't have enough mitigating factors. I don't believe that such a sane and normal girl, if psychologically depressed, then a little bit that we were shown in the series, would not have found a way to interrupt these murders and save at least one of her girlfriends.

peachisapple

09 Mar 12:31 #

@3Hansel3: well, I told you that there can be no sanity and normality in her, but you like to pull the owl of subjectivity onto the globe of events and demand from the heroine actions that she potentially could not have done.

3Hansel3

10 Mar 05:29 #

@peachisapple: She could do anything, she is a capable and adult person, and is well aware of her actions, besides being unscrupulous and selfish, who is just trying to get out of it, exposing herself as a helpless victim. But this is not the case. I have given you a bunch of examples when a real court considered the mitigating circumstances of such pseudo-sentences and gave them real terms anyway. But you don't want to hear anything. You are just pulling your owl onto the globe, not noticing that your owl has long been torn. Without giving more than one example from reality, you repeat the same thing for 20 comments, only your immature feelings.

peachisapple

10 Mar 09:24 #

@3Hansel3: I've told you thirty-three times that your examples are incorrect. She's not a pseudo-bitch. You don't want to hear anything either, and repeat the same things, too, to me, a mature mind.

3Hansel3

10 Mar 11:49 #

@peachisapple: And I answered you thirty-three times: an adult and capable person should be responsible for his actions, there is nothing to justify it. She has small mitigating factors and no more, she is still very guilty.

peachisapple

10 Mar 11:59 #

@3Hansel3: she deserves an excuse, because the heroine was conceived as such. at least you can crack it, but its ambiguity will not go away.

3Hansel3

10 Mar 12:19 #

@peachisapple: Its ambiguity was sucked out of the finger by would-be screenwriters to delay the series. Everything is clear and unambiguous with her: an adult and capable person should be responsible for their actions.

peachisapple

10 Mar 12:21 #

@3Hansel3: What nonsense, 🥱

3Hansel3

10 Mar 12:26 #

@peachisapple: What nonsense 🥱

peachisapple

10 Mar 12:30 #

@3Hansel3: Which you can't prove for days, yeah

3Hansel3

10 Mar 12:35 #

@peachisapple: I proved everything a long time ago. You just stubbornly don't want to see. :) And everything has already been proven, re-read my messages.

peachisapple

10 Mar 12:37 #

@3Hansel3: No, they didn't prove it, all your examples were incorrect. you just persistently repeat one stupidity after another, passing off your subjectivity as facts and as the opinion (idea, thoughts, etc.) of the creators of the series :)

3Hansel3

10 Mar 12:40 #

@peachisapple: This is all about your arguments: persistently repeat one stupidity after another, passing off your subjectivity as facts and as the opinion (idea, thoughts, etc.) of the creators of the series. It's all about you. :)

And by the way, I have just the examples. You don't have one, only one of your subjectivity. :)

peachisapple

10 Mar 12:43 #

@3Hansel3: lmao, here again the gaslighting has arrived and incorrect examples (which I do not need to resort to, as it were), a visionary.

3Hansel3

10 Mar 12:51 #

@peachisapple: ))) Yes, you are the same - gaslighting. It's not me. It's all of you. Even the term subjectivity was the first one you introduced into this thread.

I understand that it is advantageous, when there are no arguments, to switch to a person's personality. But surely there must be some kind of conscience? :)

peachisapple

10 Mar 12:58 #

@3Hansel3: you diagnosed abi in absentia here, and you conducted the trial yourself, and when I called it subjectivity in relation to the heroine, did you start gaslighting? a joke)

you were the first to get personal, you started calling my feelings immature, don't make them up. they added my age and experience. You better watch your conscience.

3Hansel3

10 Mar 13:02 #

@peachisapple: The word "gaslight" is the first one you started using in full. It all started with him, the whole transition to personality. And the fact that Abi is of age and capable is not a diagnosis, it is a fact. But I have essentially given you examples from judicial practice. This is a real judicial practice. Giving examples from real life is an important part of objectivity.

peachisapple

10 Mar 13:09 #

@3Hansel3: no, the transition to personality on your part began earlier, if you reread the comments, you will see. and what, has the capacity for work suddenly become unrelated to diagnoses, or what? you have gone over the fact a million times that she is supposedly perfectly healthy and her young brain is not clouded by anything.

I've already told you all about your examples, they don't fit.

3Hansel3

10 Mar 13:15 #

@peachisapple: The examples fit and fit "not in the eyebrow, but in the eye". I did not write that she was perfectly healthy and not clouded by anything. I wrote that she was fully aware of her actions and was aware of the consequences of her actions, and had a lot of opportunities to prevent these crimes.

peachisapple

10 Mar 18:17 #

@3Hansel3: No, they don't fit. and she couldn't have prevented anything, you're shifting the responsibility.

3Hansel3

11 Mar 12:45 #

@peachisapple: Everything fits. And she could have prevented everything, a hundred thousand million times. I'm not passing the responsibility on to anyone. Both father and daughter are to blame. They are to blame to varying degrees, but both are to blame. In case you forgot, the daughter lured victims for the father.

peachisapple

11 Mar 19:02 #

@3Hansel3: No, it doesn't fit, because at the cost of her own life she could have prevented it. you seem to have forgotten that it was all under threat of death.

3Hansel3

12 Mar 16:17 #

@peachisapple: No, it fits. You seem to have forgotten that this was not happening in Taliban Afghanistan. The police were looking for a maniac, they lost their way, one click was enough for the police to spin her dad in one fell swoop and split her, and Abi would see her father next time only in the dock.

peachisapple

12 Mar 20:06 #

@3Hansel3: not suitable) your stupidity in ignoring the fact of a teenager's fear is very indicative.

dash296

13 Mar 10:14 #

@peachisapple: @3Hansel3
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3Hansel3

13 Mar 13:13 #

@peachisapple: Do not exaggerate the fact of fear. She was too free (not locked up, not under constant supervision), and communicated with other people a lot so as not to be so crushed and helpless around the clock to do nothing.

peachisapple

14 Mar 07:02 #

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3Hansel3

16 Mar 11:46 #

@peachisapple: They showed their face once again, no arguments or arguments, examples from real practice. Just your emotions, which, as always, turn into insults.

peachisapple

16 Mar 13:51 #

@3Hansel3: Yeah, I hope you cried for two days before you wrote another offended comment :)

3Hansel3

17 Mar 14:59 #

@peachisapple: The main thing is that I influence you, for the second week you do not find peace for yourself. I am pleased :)

peachisapple

17 Mar 20:33 #

@3Hansel3: it's nice that the hatred for the series has not let you go for a year, that you still don't find peace, I'm not sorry :)

KILLJOYNASTICORN

27 Aug 2015, 18:44 #

I don't understand Hannibal. it's obvious that he loves Will, then why is he torturing him and setting him up? a strange expression of love..

Fiore-sama

20 Sep 2015, 02:40 #

@KILLJOYNASTICORN: This is his flirtation :3

purumpumpum

30 Mar 2016, 03:01 #

I was wondering the same question ...
But it seems that he was so worried and so fussed with Will, not because of friendly moods, but that his "entertainment" would not spoil, he wanted to continue watching him

IrinkaP

18 Apr 2016, 17:16 #

@KILLJOYNASTICORN: He doesn't love anyone.

Brieskin

08 Feb 2021, 15:07 #

@KILLJOYNASTICORN: So Hannibal is a psychopath, a psychopath by definition does not know how to empathize, does not feel remorse or remorse. His definition of love is rather closer in meaning to the term interest in someone or something.

P.S.: This is simply the best series displaying all the facets of a psychopath as a person, so close to psychology, I have not seen yet in the series 😅

3Hansel3

23 Dec 2022, 10:11 #

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LawrenceUKR

17 Sep 2015, 02:59 #

How many people do you think Hannibal killed?

Fiore-sama

23 Sep 2015, 23:35 #

@LawrenceUKR: over what the hell? :3

purumpumpum

30 Mar 2016, 03:02 #

Well, considering he's been doing it since he was a teenager... There will be a thousand already, probably))

Maxim_Faustus

21 Nov 2015, 19:20 #

Ambiguous feelings about the occasion of the season...
I was just incredibly infuriated by Hannibal, in every episode. Yes, of course, I understand that he is all such a genius and magnificent, but damn it, dismembering people, imitating many criminals, and at the same time framing "the only person who can become my friend"? It's kind of weird. It really annoys me.
Regarding Will, I've loved the character since the first episodes. A man with incredible talent, helping with investigations. At the same time, he understands perfectly well how this will make him feel bad. He is thoroughly brainwashed, he is told that he is to blame for everything. And this is very, very sad. It's just insanely insulting for this hero. He wants to do everything for the sake of saving people.
In general, I'm going to watch season 2 and wait for developments (put Hannibal away, well, don't wait until the end of season 3, really. Although in any case, it is at the end of it that they will put ahaha, if they put him at all)

Ark0

30 Nov 2015, 23:49 #

@Maxim_Faustus: If they hadn't suspected Will, they would have suspected him. I think, although Hannibal considers Graham a friend, he is more important to himself, so you can understand the lecturer.

Maxim_Faustus

18 Dec 2015, 23:48 #

@Ark0: Well, it's natural. In general, people's egoism is still more developed than anything. Even though I understood Hannibal's motives, I still couldn't accept them, somehow

Starry_Night

29 Sep 2017, 14:52 #

@Maxim_Faustus: I finally found a person with similar impressions of the series that I have. I subscribe!Practically!Under!Everyone!Yours!In a word!

I already watch this series once every 3rd-4th, I couldn't finish it off, just because of this character. (Hannibal)
The same feelings. Irritation and rage. This disgusting duplicity of his and the way he frames Will in every episode. What kind of friendship is there. Of course, we are all selfish, but Hannibal clearly has some kind of attitude about what a friend should be. Almost every minute of this series, I want someone to punch him, he's such a nasty slug. I was worried and I'm worried about Will then and now. I hope justice will prevail after all.

Villariba

01 Oct 2017, 00:59 #

@Masota: I hope you watch the series a little further and realize that Hannibal is not framing Will, but breaking him for himself, making him dependent on himself. Hannibal is an experienced manipulator before Will, Hannibal quietly sat underground and once a year quietly yumbled at someone, but then Will appeared and Ostap, that is, Hannibal, suffered all the hardships not because urine hit him in the head. but because he needs Will to become his property "friend" voluntarily. He became as much a monster as Hannibal himself. and I won't spoiler - but Hannibal somehow turned out to be completely different from what he originally hoped for hehe

3Hansel3

23 Dec 2022, 10:19 #

@Villariba: cheap screenwriters probably couldn't come up with anything smarter. I didn't like Will right away. It feels like Will's screenwriters came up with it specifically to manipulate the audience. They made him so positive, so defenseless, so that the viewer would get into him and worry about him very much. And then they deliberately dipped him into all the shit, the further, the more the screenwriters will dip him into the shit, leaving him no chance, and thereby playing on the feelings of the audience.

3Hansel3

23 Dec 2022, 10:24 #

@Villariba: Why worry about a doomed character? The writers will do everything so that Will cannot defeat Hannibal. They will bully Will to the last. When you understand these manipulations with the viewer, you don't want to waste your mental strength worrying about such a character and succumbing to such manipulations. Hannibal would have eaten it faster, so that Will would no longer suffer. And we would feel safer.

Chesterok

08 Dec 2015, 19:32 #

So many emotions from the series!
Several times my fist was close to the monitor, and when Will finally realized who Hannibal really was, I applauded him.
Jack is wildly annoying. And Hannibal. I don't want to explain why, it takes too long...

Stilzchen

21 Dec 2015, 23:50 #

Anyway Hannibal nyasha:D is a bastard, of course, but Nyasha))))
Abigail yes, it's a pity. I didn't know what to think when she realized everything. A completely hopeless situation for her. Understands that it's too late to run, just looks scared....And Hannibal is enjoying the moment like a spider. As I understand it, he fed her his "therapist girlfriend"? It feels like she knows everything. Well, or suspects. She ate this "veal" very carefully and threw two-meaning phrases. And what happened there with them? I hope everything will be clear next season.

3Hansel3

23 Dec 2022, 10:28 #

@Stilzchen: She's probably a maniac too. For the sharpness of the plot.

yuliya1992spn

PRO

01 Feb 2016, 22:43 #

I started hating Jack!!! Complete selfishness, absolute negligence towards his employees - that he had missed his intern, that he had let Will down "to the grave"!
Most of all, his response to Alana's outrage killed him - "I knew that Will's world was collapsing, but I deliberately pushed him deeper, because he was saving people..." WHAT? Isn't Will a human being? Or is it such a military brainwashing of his youth when he served somewhere there? I'm furious! To drive such people into the neck from the post of chief! I wouldn't even trust this Jack with my dog, let alone a child! And when Will needed Jack's help, what did Jack do? HE STUPIDLY SHOOTS AT WILL WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING!!!!!!..But Will is really, as already mentioned above, a child. It needs to be protected, not destroyed....I want to kill the lecturer! I've been playing all season like a cat with a mouse! (although he cooks well) I'm already silent about how stupid they've been all season with finding out "what's wrong with Will".... (Really? No one except Alana could even imagine that Will could have picked up an infection, because he is also a human being?) A separate point about cameras at the airport, as also written above - is everyone in the FBI so stupid that they can't put two and two together? When necessary, they immediately identify almost a spy fly by the most lame quality from the cameras... And how did Abigail find them blind....But I'm proud of Will - even on the verge he was able to catch up with the pro Lecturer! Well done! But it's too bad for him, she roared the whole series ..... Alana is the only one who seems to be a really normal Person!!!!

Banana_Palm

PRO

04 Feb 2016, 04:11 #

A very sad and unexpected turn of events. Oh, this Hannibal (╯°□°)

suvorochka

07 Feb 2016, 13:55 #

I don't understand how the "ultra specialists" working in the FBI couldn't find encephalitis in Will, damn it

and Hannibal fascinates with his tact and perfectionism *-*

Amy_Inflames

20 Mar 2016, 19:50 #

Poor Will...my heart is breaking(((

Velvet

20 Mar 2016, 21:47 #

It seemed to me that Hannibal sees Will as a friend, and here is such a setup...and especially the smile at the end. How cunningly he pulled it off.
In fact, the series looks a bit heavy, maybe because of its gloominess. But I will definitely start watching season 2.

IrinkaP

18 Apr 2016, 19:45 #

@Velvet: Well, what kind of friend? He came to Will's house to feed the dogs and made these hooks! Is that what they do to friends? Hannibal is a calculating killer, just what his calculation is has not yet been shown to us.

AliceLemann

07 May 2016, 14:23 #

I didn't like Abigail at all, I even understood that she was being saved for the end of the season like meat. A very controversial character.

Maximilllian

19 May 2016, 01:43 #

One of those TV shows that you watch excitedly episode after episode, wanting to know how it all ends. I really like the idea of the hero Will and the Hectare, where madness intersects with beauty, abomination and aesthetics. It's so hard to find those movies and TV shows that put a piece of creation into the subconscious, make you reconsider your worldview and even take the place of the villain for a moment. Definitely 5 points for its atmosphere, plot, acting (it's generally ideal here) and Will's fantasies =)

IrinkaP

22 May 2016, 21:06 #

@Maximilllian: Гектар=Ганнибал?

3Hansel3

23 Dec 2022, 10:36 #

@Maximilllian: я тоже рад, что таких сериалов все больше и больше, что помогают пересмотреть своё мировоззрение, и как-то даже взглянуть на мир глазами маньяка. И надеюсь, что маньяков будет всё больше и больше на улицах. :)
P. S. Это ирония :)

MaryAnderson

PRO

01 Jun 2016, 02:51 #

Очень переживала за Уилла! И под конец даже начала ненавидеть Ганнибала.
Шикарный сериал, шикарные актёры, шикарный сценарий и прочее, и прочее. Всё шикарно! Даже придраться не к чему.

Seraph6

01 Jun 2016, 11:52 #

@MaryAnderson: А вы уже все три сезона посмотрели?

id268457930

06 Jul 2016, 19:15 #

Очень напряженная и сильная серия. Хотя мне не нравился Уилл в начале сезона, под конец мне его стало жаль. А с Ганнибалом наоборот - в этой серии я на него смотрела и просто "Ну ты и тварь!", но априори он мой любимый персонаж.

id268457930

07 Jul 2016, 02:38 #

P.S. Мне кажется что Эбигейл жива.

will-o-the-wisp

05 May 2019, 22:35 #

@id268457930: мне тоже... тело так и не показали

nastya_vdsvnk

18 Jul 2016, 16:02 #

это ж как надо мыслить, чтоб так всё подстроить оО восхищаюсь Ганнибалом и в то же время ненавижу его, потому что Уилла жалко.

Bellyash

08 Sep 2016, 02:58 #

Погодите, психиатр Ганнибала все это время знала про его "хобби"? И она знает, что она ест?

will-o-the-wisp

05 May 2019, 22:35 #

@MaryLavo: походу да

3Hansel3

23 Dec 2022, 10:50 #

@Bellyash: и возможно разделяла его пристрастия

_IrIsHkA_

10 Nov 2016, 01:55 #

Я всё не могу понять, как жестокий убийца, каннибал может быть таким привлекательным мужчиной? Насколько же чудовищный это человек, но лично мой мозг вообще не обращает никакого внимания на этот факт. Как там говорится? "Мама, мне нравится мальчик, ему под 50 и он каннибал"...

BlackStacy

05 Dec 2016, 22:14 #

Я не пойму одного - на кой черт Ганнибалу психиатр, если он не может ни о чем ей рассказать и только лжет, лжет, лжет? Чисто ради того, чтобы постепенно подкатывать, или что?

DaZ

27 Mar 2023, 13:42 #

Играет со всеми куклами

Jammm

30 Nov 2023, 10:18 #

Ну вообще, практикующие психиатры и психотерапевты обязаны проходить супервизию. Так положено, если работаешь с клиентами, ходишь сам, чтобы получить второе мнение, не поехать кукухой, выслушивая проблемы других и самому оставаться в адеквате.

hey_Gertie

15 Dec 2016, 21:40 #

Не сериал, а просто пособие для психиатра "Как вычислить психопата среди своих друзей". Восторг, дикий восторг!

nickiel

13 Jan 2017, 17:59 #

хочется расписать по морде Ганнибалу.

nickiel

13 Jan 2017, 18:04 #

@nickiel:
он тот еще сучара, но уж очень обаятельный
Уилла безумно жалко. Импонирует мне. Так хорошо ему характер прописали, до мелочей. Надеюсь, что у него обнаружат все-таки энцефалит и весь бихевиористский отдел ФБР отделяется от влияния доктора Ганнибала Лектера

valeryonutse

27 Jan 2017, 00:51 #

этот сериал заставляет меня испытывать сильнейший когнитивный диссонанс
смотреть на шикарного гениального горячего мужика и при этом всю серию искренне орать "ах ты ж сука последняя, тварь, мразь" - это выше моих сил

Джек тоже одна из самых мерзких личностей этого сериала, очень бесит

если бы Эбигейл была мертва, показали бы не только ухо и пятно крови. уж больно подозрительно это все

3Hansel3

23 Dec 2022, 10:52 #

@valeryonutse: а телятина на ужине с агентом Скалли?

Шерлен

02 Feb 2017, 23:27 #

Никто не напишет про Чёрного Оленя-Человека? (ЧОЧ, прикольно хд)
Как-то оочень крипово было смотреть .____.

id369560193

14 Mar 2017, 02:49 #

@Шерлен: я много кирпичей отложила при его виде -..-

Elly_Kelly

20 May 2019, 20:25 #

@Шерлен: Я когда увидела силуэт, он мне напомнил страшного кролика из Донни Дарко. Боюсь таких штук, бррр.

Visper_Rina

26 Mar 2020, 15:54 #

Мне напомнило ещё главного злодея из «по ту сторону изгороди»

nurie

15 Mar 22:07 #

It's strange: deer are herbivores, and the image is generally positive in their culture, even more like victims (hunting or deception), but here it is! Hannibal would have been more suited to some kind of predator, ideally a reptile. But, apparently, a reference to the devil horned...

poletaeva_ksu

27 Mar 2017, 23:26 #

Досмотрела первый сезон. Первые серии было тяжело смотреть. Как-то угнетали они. Но теперь оторваться не могу. Как наркоману нужна доза, так мне новая серия.
Очень веселит тот момент, что Лектора зовут Ганнибал, и никого это не напрягает)
Только мне Хью Дэнси напоминает Ивана Реона?)

ivpoet

25 Jun 2017, 00:30 #

@poletaeva_ksu: ну наконец-то хоть кто-то это написал! он итак на него смахивает, а в тюремной форме - так вообще Саймон из "Отбросов"!

3Hansel3

23 Dec 2022, 10:54 #

@poletaeva_ksu: а лектор вообще должность. :)

Simon__di

06 May 2017, 00:31 #

Ганнибал - скотина. Я даже не знаю, что хуже - есть людей или так измываться над больным человеком, которому становится все хуже и хуже. Это нервотрепка, а не сериал!

Starry_Night

29 Sep 2017, 14:57 #

@Simon__di: Вот-вот. Мазохизм смотреть его. Но мы не сдаемся и смотрим.

3Hansel3

23 Dec 2022, 10:56 #

@Simon__di: Зачем так переживать? С первой серии же было понятно, что Уилл - мальчик для битья, он нужен продюссерам и сценаристам сериала, только чтоб измываться над ним. И победить Ганнибала сценаристы Уиллу не дадут.

Denni_Grei

03 Jul 2017, 17:20 #

ААААААААААААААААААААА

Villariba

12 Sep 2017, 19:27 #

Ганнибал, как настоящая женщина, если любит - то терзает xD и мне кажется даже сами актеры под конец сезона начали шипперить друг друга

Ctixia

03 Dec 2017, 22:40 #

Это было неожиданно, черт.
Но помимо всех логических несостыковок, обозначенных выше, я не могла понять, почему Уилл не знаком с тестом с часами? Он же профайлер, психолог, они должны знать подобные штуки и просчитывать все тесты на раз.

Да и вообще кажется, что все эти люди (Алана, Ганнибал, Уилл, Джек) - люди совершенно разных профессий, они так себя ведут и так удивляются озвученным моментам, как будто это не в их компетенции. Разве что Алана пока не подвела. Про Джека, на секундочку, главу поведенческого отдела, тоже уже сказали. Просто эпик фейл.

А сериал захватил, даже не верится, что я вчера ток первую серию включила...

pauline33

15 Dec 2017, 02:03 #

не пойму, то ли психиатр Лектера все знает и он ей следовательно правду рассказывает - что хочет быть другом и все остальное, то ли там только непонятки с тем бывшим пациентом их обоих и тогда ганнибал и ей тоже манипулирует для всей этой игры, узнать кто как действует.
очень нравился его персонаж, но все же надеялась, что не посадит он Уилла в клетку, надеюсь Уилл все вспомнит. Хотя если они будут друзьями-серийными убийцами-психопатами будет забавно,
что ж, пойду поем

3Hansel3

23 Dec 2022, 11:00 #

@polina_ratnikova: и вместе с другом съедят ещё много и много людей :)

mashashabardina

18 Mar 2018, 04:10 #

Почему Джек такой тупой

Imperators

29 May 2018, 04:44 #

Джек Кроуфорд - мудила!

Миккельсен играет великолепно, как и Дэнси, как и несравненная Андерсон.

Но в сезоне много говорильни и много маньяков и психологов и психологов-маньяков на квадратный метр. Лучшие серии сезона - снятые Дэвидом Слэйдом.

Король_Лень

16 Jul 2018, 22:04 #

За что так с Уиллом? Он же как тот щенок, которого и грех обидеть.
Немного охренел с такого поворота событий.

3Hansel3

23 Dec 2022, 11:01 #

@Король_Лень: мальчик для издевательств - вот роль Уилла в сценарии.

ПолнаяКастрюля

17 Jul 2018, 04:18 #

финальные переглядки, приветствие и улыбка....такая мооощь!!

max_pinkman

14 Apr 2019, 06:44 #

половину серии сидела со слезами на глазах, как было обидно и досадно за Уилла :с

это надо же - настолько подставить его. но самое обидное даже не то, что его Лектер подставил, как то, что он упорно пытался ему (особенно к концу сезона) всучить, что у него едет крышак и он сошел с ума. я так прониклась персонажем, жутко сопереживала ему весь сезон и под конец больнее всего видеть его - такого потерянного, уже ни в чем не уверенного, разбитого, и то, как все вокруг него кишат со своими косыми взглядами и доводами - как ты мог, я бы никогда не поверил! и Ганнибал где-то рядом со своей коварной ухмылочкой.
единственное, что Алана порадовала своей реакций - она там вообще одна адекват или как? о:

Джек очень разочаровал. до последнего надеялась, что он не так уж и мудак, но в конце даже ни капли сочувствия и ни капли вины, а ведь его вины в случившемся там предостаточно

max_pinkman

14 Apr 2019, 06:50 #

с одной стороны, в какой-то степени и всех сотрудников понять можно - все улики прямиком указывают на Уилла, а с его нестабильным состоянием вполне легко поверить даже в то, что он может неосознанно кого-то пришибить... а с другой - черт возьми, ну насколько можно быть слепыми и не увидеть в страдающем человеке, собственно, страдающего человека и жертву, а не серийного убийцу? они же, как-никак, были друзьями (можно ли их так назвать?)

очень тронула сцена с собачками Уилла - как их уводят, грустный взгляд одной из них на хозяина, а потом разговор с Аланой, что она заберет их к себе. прям не могу не выделить :с

сериал мощный. подруга сказала, что со второго сезона идет какая-то параша, однако меня слишком увлекло - однозначно буду смотреть дальше. а там уж и выводы сделаем)

Watka

28 Oct 2019, 11:11 #

@Ctixia: Девушка-журналист раскрыла причастность Эбигейл к смерти Николаса, а Алана - нет)

AiWaKokoro

09 Dec 2019, 21:38 #

Шедевр. Финал последней серии потрясающий.

mirror_effect

06 May 2020, 16:33 #

Оооу еее Уилл понял что ганнибал - ганнибал. На самом деле сезон прошёл на одном дыхании, настолько легко детективы не смотрятся. С удовольствием начну смотреть 2 сезон🧡🥰

3Hansel3

23 Dec 2022, 11:05 #

@mirror_effect: и что лектер - лектер

sophia_jones

13 Jun 2020, 17:34 #

Подставы подставами,но насколько я знаю Уилла не могут арестовать без главной улики-тела Эбигейл. Ухо и кровь под ногтями это одно,но по сути нет тела нет дела. Может в штате в котором они живут какие то другие законы,но во всех сериалах которые я смотрела без тела не сажали в тюрьму.

3Hansel3

23 Dec 2022, 11:07 #

@sophia_jones: там же хватает тел и без Эбигейл. Уилла же обвиняют в 5 убийствах.

Bart182

27 Oct 2020, 09:12 #

Очень жёсткие убийства конечно. Финал сезона классный!
Мадс шикарно отыгрывает Ганнибала.

RinaAri

PRO

06 Nov 2020, 17:34 #

Странные убийства, все так запутанно и переплетено, при этом ты знаешь что есть еще самый изощренный убийца прямо у них за спиной. Раскрываются личности, манипулирование людьми, неуловимый маньяк. Супер.

-ЯR-

PRO

16 Jan 2021, 06:33 #

Первый сезон бомба!

Rin_Rin

28 Jan 2021, 05:43 #

Невероятные 13 эпизодов. Да если б я только могла себе представить всю ту мощь,что здесь увидела, то перестала бы бояться смотреть и откладывать его из-за расчленёнки в долгий ящик! Ибо не расчленёнки надо было бояться,а психологических игр с человеческим разумом.Просто взрыв мозга,уж простите за каламбур.

Уилл Грэм отправляется в список любимых главных героев. Мужчина,которому сопереживаешь,как родному и близкому по духу человеку. Весь сезон хотелось,чтобы он уехал от этих треклятых Джека и Лектора как можно дальше,чтобы они и знать не знали где он живёт.

Под конец до меня дошло,кого мне напомнили Грэм и Ганнибал – Ягами Лайта и Эла из «Тетради смерти». Там правда было противостояние двух умов,которых нельзя было называть друзьями, а тут вот всё несколько иначе,но концепция схожая.

Про Лектора вверху правильно всё написали - он иуда в чистом виде. Манипулятор и паук,которому нравится наблюдать за людьми и их страданиями. Садист и психопат. Но как же Миккельсен непревзойдённо сыграл эту роль...изначально я думала выше Хопкинса в этой роли не прыгнут,но тут просто их поставили в один ряд друг с другом,даже сравнивать не надо, оба гении актёрского мастерства.

Но больше Ганнибала ненависть вызывал именно Джек. Слепой расчётливых мудак,тьфу.

Чертовски жаль Эбигейл...как и Уиллу,сопереживала этой девушке тоже. И как Лектор с ней жестоко обошёлся,скотина. И ели они с психологшей ту самую «телятину»,всё понятно с тобой доктор,ты конченый ублюдок, даже такую девочку не пощадил,ещё и над её останками вот так искусно надругался...

Персонаж Джиллиан Андерсон великолепна, от её игры как всегда дух захватывает! И да,у меня тоже подозрения возникли,что она Лектора таки раскусила...

DemidRodin

31 Jan 2021, 04:53 #

Отвратительное ощущение от первого сезона. Создатели решили специально злить зрителей. Знаю что словлю много минусов.

Ганибал сделан просто всемогущим: и тысячи километров преодолевает, и всех убить и подставить успевает. Очень много натяжек. Очень много пафоса от создателей.

Фбровцы просто дебилы, которые все детали преступлений и дальнейших действий вместе рассказывают левому психологу (зачем?), нулевая скрытность.
Уилл тоже местами тупит нереально, раз тебе плохо, то обратись к простому врачу, а не психологу.

Очень много сценарных условностей, много фантастики и кромешной тупости персонажей.
Сериал «Настоящий детектив» на много круче, особенно первый сезон.

snorkelle

13 Oct 2023, 06:11 #

Он ещё успевает готовить 😅 После работы и всех своих дел, ага. И мыть посуду, убирать и пр. Правдоподобия ноль, конечно, с бытовой точки зрения.

Jammm

30 Nov 2023, 10:21 #

Ну так Уилл и хотел к врачу, а Ганнибал уговаривал его, что это психологическое всё. И результаты мрт скрыл.

JennyWonoo

06 Feb 2021, 22:59 #

именно в этом меня смущает тот факт, что его проверяют потом

Defo

23 Feb 2021, 18:02 #

Все фбровцы возлагают на Уилла такие надежды, его мнение у них в приоритете, но когда дело дошло до того, что сам Уилл оказался подозреваемым, так все сразу: "я ничего не слышу, ничего не вижу, ничего не скажу". Такое ощущение, будто все эти менты вообще не могут в логику.

3Hansel3

23 Dec 2022, 11:12 #

@Defo: по логике как раз Уилл во всем виноват. Там как раз есть такой логичный вывод, когда азиаточка берет кровь из-под ногтей Уилла.

Пилoт

PRO

04 May 2021, 22:12 #

Первый сезон зашел легко. Так перевернуть до боли знакомую историю и ничего не напортить - надо уметь

davibe

27 Jun 2021, 02:14 #

Мне одному кажется, что весь сезон на званных ужинах Лектора все вместо языков, телятины, свиней ели жертв убийств? : )))

3Hansel3

23 Dec 2022, 11:12 #

@davibe: одному

AhmetzyanovR

06 Mar 2022, 13:51 #

Мадс - это конечно актёрише

wickterleto

08 Aug 2022, 13:34 #

Многих в комментариях бесит Джек или Ганнибал, а меня раздражает Уилл и его страдальческий вид. Понимаю, что персонаж такой, и ему точно не позавидуешь, но этот образ непонятого и несчастного щеночка🙂

3Hansel3

23 Dec 2022, 11:17 #

@wickterleto: полностью согласен. Понятно, что с помощью Уилла сценаристы будут манипулировать зрителем. Сделали его максимально беззащитным и будут макать его во всё дepьмo, издеваясь над ним всячески, не давая шанса выплыть, чтоб зритель постоянно переживал за Уилла и рейтинги просмотров не падали. Мальчик для битья. И победить Уиллу Ганнибала продюсеры не дадут. Зачем тогда переживать за уже обречённого персонажа? Хочется уже одного, чтоб Уилл побыстрее отмучился, и Ганнибал сделал бы из него шикарное жаркое.

AnnaAV

PRO

31 Aug 2022, 13:39 #

Первый сезон не плохой, хоть и на некоторые вещи просто забивают, типа проверить камеры и прочее.
Актёры нравятся, особенно репортёрша)

sciurus_insanus

18 Nov 2022, 18:11 #

Последние две серии ну настолько тягомотина, лишенная логики, что прям сил нет.
Друзья не таскающие Уилла по врачам, хотя ему всё хуже, сразу же поверившие, что он всех убил и съел, ну бред же.

3Hansel3

23 Dec 2022, 11:18 #

@sciurus_insanus: просто убил. Про то, что съел пока Уилла не обвиняют.

id18379359

02 Feb 2023, 20:30 #

Нравится персонаж Андерсон,она вроде отстранена, но и словно понимает все козни Ганнибала! Кстати, тут она тут сексуальная, в Икс файлах Скалли совсем не такая

Jammm

30 Nov 2023, 10:25 #

На удивление, меня даже меньше ужасают убийства Ганнибала и его кулинарные пристрастия чем его газлайтинг Уилла. Втереться в доверие, запутывать, не давать лечиться, под видом друга пробраться в дом и повесить на него все убийства… Бедный Уилл, и так кукуха едет, а тут ещё и главный его кошмар - попасть в психушку. И если к другого ещё был бы шанс все объяснить, то с его провалами в памяти и галлюцинациями без шансов. Такое ощущение, что никто даже не хочет расследовать происходящее. Алиби, возможности совершить преступление, сразу все на Уилла повесить надо .

tevladka

27 Jan 16:55 #

Моя подруга огромная фанатка данного сериала, и еще в 2021 я сделала первую попытку его глянуть, но кажется даже не досмотрела 1 сезон. В то время мне не пошло, было прям супермрачно и как-то скучновато. Но за это время я перевела шедевральный фанфик про полицейского и серийного убийцу и после этого постоянно возвращалась к мысле, что должна вернуться все же к «Ганнибалу». И в этот раз мне понравилось куда больше! Теперь я гораздо лучше понимаю логику Ганнибала и почему он поступает так с Уиллом, даже вопреки желания быть его другом. Все же этот человек социопат и нельзя ожидать от него поведения и решений нормальных людей. Большинство его поступков продиктованы простым любопытством. Даже если он кого-то спас (как своего психиатра, то опять же ради наблюдения за её реакциями) эмпатия у него на крайне низком уровне, ведь люди для него не люди, а скот. Они ниже его. Поэтому по логике главного героя он совсем не каннибал. Ну и Уилл в данный момент не сможет быть тем другом, который сможет принять его настоящего, именно поэтому и ломает под себя. Ну и знаю, что Ганнибал определенно испытывает к Уиллу и романтический интерес, пускай здесь и будет все лишь намеками да взглядами, однако в этом есть свой прелесть. И если у Ганнибала есть оправдание в отношении Уилла, то к Джека, учитывая что он ни маньяк, ни социопат, этого опрпвдания нет. Воистину самый главный злодей он. Я вообще удивляет, как такой хреновый человек оказался по сторону вроде бы «добра». Уилл для него просто расходный материал, из которого нужно выжать все, пока можно. Вот кто заслуживает моего искреннего презрения.

3Hansel3

28 Jan 11:17 #

@tevladka: Ганнибал вообще положительный герой. Если он кого-то и поедает, то за дело. А вот Джек - самое страшное исчадие ада в этом сериале. Все маньяки этого сериала блекнут по сравнению с Джеком. Вот по кому электрический стул плачет, не по Ганнибалу, а по Джеку. А Ганнибалу много лет здоровья и удачи на его нелёгком поприще.

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