s01e07 — Серия 7
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But the series about Todd inevitably tells about the final split in the group, and it really hurts to see, even though Konoplev, unfortunately, still does not pull out the role of the Prince, although he has become better than in the first series. Plotnikov-Gorshenev did a great job, but here his character, frankly speaking, was not at his best, this vindictiveness and self-confidence of a person do not paint.
But in the fairy-tale world, the Pot and the Prince are still a mountain for each other, although it pleases. And there was an unexpected, but at the same time meaningful connection of two worlds for a fairy tale.
The Sorcerer is a Buffoon, it's gorgeous.
according to KarasyApank, well, in short, I will answer you so then: "Sho this is bullshit, sho this is bullshit, both of these are bullshit, I fucking fucked her mom"
and sit there and fuck yourself, who is there "chewing glass" who put the brackets in the wrong place. FOR FUCK'S SAKE IN GENERAL))))
how would the Internet be here))) write as you want))))))
" xX_ScAffIte_SpAasSipFki_Xx " - that this shit is gone from the Internet)))))
p.s. By the way, IMHO - just a reference of KarasyApank to those distant times))) brought back my 2006 year. Thanks
where the fuck did the prince cry here? I watched the interview and worried and broke the TV - well, OK, I believe. the actor is on 8 out of 10, perhaps, according to the emotions I wrote about. But I'm fucking crying? Where the fuck is it? Where is it? well, I don't believe it)))))
Mikhail is hurt by Andrey's misunderstanding. His friend is too dear to him. But the joke is that Misha hasn't matured a bit. He remained the same teenager in the shower, who would throw insults, but would not come up and lay it all out, calmly accepting the opposite opinion, like an adult. It seems to him that this is all a whim. That the Prince will play around with a new group in empty halls and return back to the old team. That everything will be the same again. But no, it won't be any more.
When Olga says that she met Agatha, Misha is angry at first, and then interested, but as if by the way asks, they say, well, what's there. And then it explodes again. The truth is like a ruffled teenager who badly needs the support of a certain person, but will never say it directly, because he does not want to show his weaknesses.
And when Misha gives that interview, you can see how much he is hurt by the betrayal of his best friend. After all, in his eyes, this is exactly a terrible betrayal. His ideas were not shared by his best friend. I didn't share so little, and I also left, slamming the door.
And Andrey, who sees the interview, is also wildly hurt. It hurts that this is how it turned out. It hurts that a former best friend contemptuously says such nasty things on TV.
About Andrey... His desire to finally become the first violin is understandable. Moreover, he left the group into the unknown. He left the old songs, took only unused material. Raising everything from scratch is hard work, especially in such a competitive environment. Besides, he's still not sure he did the right thing. Even after Misha's interview, he hesitates for a long time with the publication of the post about the final departure for free swimming.
But I don't agree with him about Todd. As if yes, the gloomy one is still, but the song opera of "The King and the Fool" turned out to be brilliant. And the priest is an interesting character, ambiguous. It was he who planted an obsessive thought in Todd's heart, giving the go-ahead for revenge. The judge was a bastard, and so was the butcher.
Ps And I believe that everything was like that, but, as they say, the dead are either good or nothing. Even about punks.
Ps Agatha is still playing like a boiled potato 🤣
In general, of course, you can see how the authors refuted facts from different books about the group and made what they thought would be interesting to the mass audience.
I will explain the situation as I see it: every year the Prince comes with the presentation of a new album and his songs - a small hall, 200 people. And one year, at 16-17, he came in the summer, a memorial concert. The same small hall, only 500 people who came late could not even physically enter.
Since then, they have been bringing us to the city: a couple of new songs, Adele, the Man of Mystery, In the mouth of dark streets, Pierrot and a few more. The rest is Kish's repertoire. But there are a lot more people walking, the big hall is always now.
I honestly got tired of it a couple of years ago, but this is one of the few entertainment options, so I go)
And I would be happy to listen to his music and his personal songs, but then he chose, apparently, earnings, because there are more people walking, it's sad.
Therefore, I have the impression that now, against the background of the series, there is an expectation that KISH's fans (and I know there are those who fundamentally do not listen to the Prince) will still be interested in his work, because that's how it happened and he is not to blame for anything, it offended him, etc..
I just remember coming from my favorite memory to the korea, and there are 200 people there. And you walk soooo freely....
The expectation of occupancy, of course, is present. It's not for nothing that this time on July 19 they took off the Jubilee, and not the Cosmonaut.
Even at all sorts of local tributes and memory concerts, quite a lot of people gather
Turn with a Buffoon. It's kind of cool at first. But then I thought about it.
That is, initially the Jester was positioned as something caused by the dark side of Misha. Something like a demon that broke out, a kind of revived personification of inner fears and complexes. Something that turned out to be so strong that it came out and you have to fight it every single day. Well, or not to fight, but just go with the flow.
And suddenly it turns out that this Buffoon is just a sorcerer who got a Pot in another world and now he is taking revenge on the offender. As for me, such a feint devalues Misha's drama. And it bleaches it so badly. They say it's not his fault, it's all a damned Fool.
The second thing I really didn't like was the lack of a normal relationship with Olga. And the absence of a cheerful Mikhail in principle. I was waiting for this in the last episode. I was waiting in this one. However, everything is meaningless.
Serial Olga looks, I'm sorry, a little like a dog that wags its tail and tries to please a nervous husband. While the real one gave the impression of a person who knows his own worth. Damn, she already had a business in her twenties! I don't believe that Misha could just yell at her, and she was silent in response.
And where, I ask, is the happy Mikhail of the sample of 2008-2010? At that time, he stopped using drugs, was treated, played sports, and had his teeth inserted. Such a man has become, you can't take your eyes off. I watched interviews with him from that period, recordings of concerts, he literally glows with happiness in every frame. He is active in conversations, jokes, constantly smiles. Well, where is it all in the series? Where am I asking you? Where, where, where???
And maybe the positive will still be shown in the final episode, so as not to end up completely gloomy.
There are banal cattle in society even without subcultures, but this is not the norm)
P.S. The Carpenters' game and the way he plays the Pot are just goosebumps.
It turns out that Mosafir didn't give a damn about the band itself and what was going on in it. And he didn't want to shoot the series at all, they tried to persuade him for a long time. The only thing that was interesting to the director was the world of songs. He liked to shoot the fantasy line. The rest is so-so. And initially, fantasy really carried a function, which I wrote about in the comments for the third series (they say, in the real world, the Pot dies, and as if it is transferred there, into the world of fairy tales and fantasies of a best friend, after which it continues to have fun hanging out there among wizards, foresters, ghouls). But the director had something wrong with the introduction of the fantasy line, so they kind of changed the concept. Let's see, in short.
And Mosafir hates prescribing love and normal relationships. Give him drama. That's why everything is so unclear with Olga. Sometimes she is positioned as an angel of God, then suddenly, for no reason, she "strangles" her husband. And so Mikhail spent most of his time in a gloomy depression without any glimpses (although the period of life with Olga, judging by the stories, was one of the happiest in his life).
And I understand that conflict is needed in movies, but damn, you don't always whip characters. Give them the gingerbread at last.
In the first two episodes, the image of the Pot suited me completely. Then came trash and darkness with drugs. Okay, there was such a period in his life. I have no complaints. Then a meeting with Olya and it seems like there should be a gap. But he is not there, Misha is still in darkness.
When the coding scene was shown, I was delighted. I think, finally, now they will definitely show at least something good. Yeah, right now.
People are shouting about some kind of desecration of memory, although from the very beginning the trajectory and the accents were visible, about the antagonist of the Pot and God's dandelion Andrei, etc. At least how many books you don't reread, how many videos you don't review, but hardly anyone will tell the absolute truth, especially when crutches in the face of directors get involved, yes screenwriters.
No matter what kind of Prince a person is in life, I don't think it's worth spreading words, because the image of himself in the series is also distorted very much and also far from for the better.
Maybe even against the background of some subjective views, he was blackened even more than a Pot. Not only did the character himself come out impossibly boring in my opinion, but also from the first episodes there is a feeling of an envious one-man with a lot of resentments and a desire to rise above others. This can be partly seen in the prototype, but, sorry, the Pot was also a drug addict - you can't get the words out of this song.
I'm sorry if I wrote Yoda Style))))) I hope you will understand)))
Here is a cut from the interview, but there is just a piece of the one with the hatchet :)
https://www.km.ru/muzyka/2011/12/22/muzyka-v-rossii/mikhail-gorshenev-knyaz-ne-yavlyaetsya-osnovatelem-korolya-i-shuta
This is posted on the group's website as "a big candid interview by Mikhail Gorshenev in connection with the departure of Andrei Knyazev."
well, it's still fine)))) A fucking great 2-second shot with a vertical panorama when the Pot jumped up from the table and shouted at Olga: "Someone asked you to climb"
Well, the whole series is normal, but the fantasy part in this series is different.
If there was a fixed mask, they would have made it a real mask in the style of 'Bane', otherwise there is some trash. This villain + these green rays/balls, etc. - hello Power Rangers.
The only thing I liked about the visual in this series was how the light was set in some frames.
my question then is: why were all 6 episodes of costumes and monsters and special effects and make-up normal, and somewhere even super, but in the 7th it's all over? ))) Did you get to the style of the 80s only in the 7th series?
Regarding the costumes: the costumes of the main Persians are normal, for some reason the problems are with the costumes of the villains - they did not manage to make normal masks so that it would not be plastic junk and clothes from Aliexpress, I saw people with Halloween craft more cool in appearance.
But the Owner of the antique clock turned out to be cool, you can't take your eyes off! I even paused to consider the details of her image. And the Fairy of flies. Although it was dark in her scenes, maybe that's why she liked it))
in the 7th series, both the Mask and the gz costume are really everywhere, the make-up is also strange for the Fool (a little worse than it was) + crappy special effects on the post.
And the Clown's makeup worsens with each episode, until it becomes a completely peeling mask in the last one. It seems to be an artistic device.
It is very sad to see the final split, when best friends quarrel and become almost enemies - it always hurts 😢
All right… But damn… How disgustingly over-voiced Agatha... does not get into the lips at all ... I rarely notice this, but here it just ... freezes out.
One wants to "be the neck" and turn the "head", the second wants to be next to the man and "give him ammunition" (read support in everything). Whether they are right or not is their own business.
Fan fact: Knyazev's appeal has been deleted on the King and the Fool's website, but the next date is the appeal of the group.
Плотникову хотя бы иногда веришь, ибо похож
Мкльникова норм сыграла
А Вольт просто красивая, там больше не надо)))
Что касается концепции.Никто наверянка не знает, что происходило между Князем и Горшком. Но всё это выглядит как попытка Князя оправдаться за уход из группы+почтить память друга к 10летию его смерти. И честно говоря, оправдаться не получилось: все равно не понятно, почему Князь так обиделся из-за Суинни. Ну сделали бы мюзикл, а потом реализовали бы идеи Андрея. Или просто не снимался бы в Суинни, но дал сыграть остальным. Это признание Андрея в том, что он не умеет договариваться с людьми и идти на уступки?
Далее. Ещё одна проблема, которую вскрыл сериал: Андрей нарисовал в своей голове и в песнях (то что показывают в фэнтези-линии) идеальные отношения с Горшком. Там он был для него тем другом, которого Князь хотел видеть рядом с собой: человек, который никогда про него не забудет, который всегда придет на выручку, и который доволен местом придворного шута при Князе. Беда в том, что люди не обязаны оправдывать наши ожидания, у них есть свои проблемы и амбиции. Очень жаль, что Князь не понял этого при жизни Горшка:он ему друг, но не такой, какого ему нарисовало его воображение.
Единственное, наверное, что очень понравилось - то, как показано безумие Горшка. Через взаимодействие с шутом с афиши. В некоторых местах действительно очень крипово смотреть на то, что происходит в голове другого человека, на что он способен лишь бы избавиться от голосов в голове.
А вообще, считаю, байопики нельзя снимать, пока хоть один участник конфликта жив. Это приводит к конфликту интересов при создании фильма. Снимать надо тогда, когда все уже умерли и ни у кого нет соблазна показать удобную версию событий. Но учитывая что над этим фильмом работал Князь, ладно уж.
Забавно то, что все любили Горшка больше в группе как "персонажа/образ", но песни при этом людям нравились и нравятся Князевы )
Мне в принципе было не интересно кто что написал, мне просто нравятся песни.
Сольник Князя не могу сказать, что прям плохой, но меня не зацепил в своё время, поэтому как то особо и не слушал его.
А если верить сериалу это именно Князь топил за сказки, и выбирая между "средневековьем" и "викторианской эпохой" (не знаю как лучше описать впечатления о месте действия песен), мне сказки нравятся больше.
Пожалуй надо внимательнее ознакомится с его дискографией...
Всё таки дошли уши до сольного творчества Князя.
Что могу сказать, больше половины песен прошли мимо меня.
Какие то песни были пресные по звучанию, в каких то текст ни о чём, какие то продолжали не удачно мусолить старые темы.
В последнее время у него сольники выходили, вот они бодрые, а когда большие альбомы выходили, где больше 10 песен, там 2/3 песен не зашли.
Грубо говоря если у КиШа мне нравится 90% песен, то у Князя всего 33%...
Всё же мне кажется с Горшком было какое то подобие контроля качества материала...
На месте Ольги я бы тоже обиделась за такое свое олицетворение)))
Отдельно хочу отметить то, как гримеры работают с Плотниковым и возрастом его персонажа, но почему-то с Коноплёвым им это совершенно не удается
Но невероятно грустно видеть раскол группы(
Всё-таки для незнакомого с биографией и творчеством группы этот сериал скорее будет непонятным фуфлом.
До этого не сильно напрягали скачки во времени, спокойно отношусь к нелинейному повествованию, но тут действительно как-то лихо перескочили с прослушивания басистов к 2011 году. Понятно, что хронометраж очень ужат и нужно втиснуть оставшееся в одну серию, но в итоге как-то скомкано вышло все: что переход к Тодду и персонажами уже с семьями и детьми, что конфликт с Колдуном в сказочном мире. С фэнтези-линией спокойно можно было делать больше серий - образов и сюжетов там много.
К событиям 2011 года Горшка хорошо гримируют, а Князь, как был мальчишкой, так и остался. Прямо сильно в глаза бросается. Хотя Влад в этой серии хорош.
Песня "Отражение" в титрах на фоне финала серии для меня заиграла новыми красками.
К стати на мюзикле не был, но теперь имею дикое желание его посетить 😌
Раскол группы видеть больно. И это желание Миши поднасрать Князю. Поговорить им надо было по-хорошему, честно, откровенно, а не вот это вот всё. Интервью Горшка прям как нож в сердце. «С панком беседуешь, бл... Могу и обоссать!» 🤦🏼♀️ Большой ребёнок (первые сорок лет детства самые сложные в жизни мужчины). Ранимый и нуждающийся в поддержке. Жаль, очень жаль, что всё так закончилось. И в сериале, и в жизни.
Плотникова так хорошо гримируют, все возрастные изменения воссоздают, а Князь как вампир, не меняется с первой серии 🤔
Костюм Колдуна по спецзаказу такой себе. Выглядит убого. А вот поворот, что Колдун — это Шут, крутой! Нравится.
Ох, как же сердце надрывалось...
2. В этой серии смог наконец понять, в чем суть претензий Ольги к сериалу. Сценаристы с ней не советовались, Михи нет в живых, чтобы о чем-то рассказать, а они просто из головы все так описывают максимально нелицеприятно про их отношения. При этом это не работает на глубину, наоборот вышло утрирование. Мне кажется у Князя должен был тут стоп-кран сработать, раз он продюсер.
3. Выход демона-колдуна именно в 1999 году символичен. Пусть в 2023, в год выхода сериала, он нас наконец оставит.