@alex6147: there was such a kind of encouragement in the army - "a photo against the background of the unfolded battle banner of the unit." This is the idea of bonuses in the scoop
Eddie somehow got younger on Mars with his self-tanning. This series is definitely more cheerful than the previous one, if only because it did not have an alternative Mask with its boring line. Margosha looks really depressed. At the time of the meeting in Roscosmos, it seemed that I was watching a series on Russia-1. It's a pity that the hardworking Latino didn't disappear into the abyss (although the way he sat on a rock reminded me of Mr. Manhattan from The Guardians) - his line is also so-so.
Yeah... and why did Svetlana need TWO copies of Crime and Punishment on Mars? How painful it is to watch this clumsy Soviet storyline after everything was done with the soul in The Americans.
If the early seasons had an interesting alternative story/ work life / burnout/ responsibility for making difficult decisions / how it affects the personal lives of the characters / problems of suppression of the stalls / competition / fight against bureaucracy / self-sacrifice / struggle for equality (adequate agenda) and all this with a barely flashing "kalina"
Now it's some kind of fucking Russophobic shit... the USSR is pure evil, everyone is being beaten, shot /tortured. Xs where do more engineers and astronauts come from....
@Lari: To begin with: the series shows an alternative USSR, but it hurts you so much. And for some reason you categorically claim that what is shown in the series was not in reality. One of the two: you are either too old and for you the USSR is an empire of goodness, or you are too young and you get all the information about those times from school textbooks and TV. There is another option: you are just a stupid person.
And yet: in a modern (not alternative) North Korea's human rights situation is even worse, but for some reason they have engineers and they launch satellites. A paradox, isn't it?
1. Apparently you like and are satisfied with the fact that the whole season is being sharpened on the negative branch of the "alternative USSR", and all the other questions / problems of heroes / struggle and so on are enough for a tick, no problem your right))) 2. I love these moralizing and personality analysis in one comment))) If you did not know or maybe did not communicate much with foreigners from different countries (preferably abroad), then I will open a secret for most of the USSR/Russia (people living in already selected CIS countries) = Russians/Russia (it's not a conversation about how much it's right, it's just easier for them). And even "now" (3 years ago, in my first year, I was on an exchange for 1 year Russian Russians came to Ireland with their classmates (Ukrainian/Russian/Georgian) all the time. Therefore, it is difficult not to notice the "log" of the propaganda campaign "bad advice = Russian", except that it is simply intentionally ignored))) 3. I understand that it is easier to be in a crowd and shout: The Empire is the USSR, but read the definition first and you will discover which other country falls into this category and by all signs))) 4. Imagine, in addition to school textbooks and TV, you can find out about the USSR in scientific and documentary works and even in the Library. And plus, lo and behold, there are Grannies/ Grandfathers - that they have lived their lives and can tell about their experiences. 5. Your suit about Korea can be beaten by your own argument))) How can you talk about human rights in the DPRK if you have not personally been / lived there, and your idea is only TV, yes Books)
@Lari: I've never been to Antarctica and oh, a miracle, you can learn about it from various sources: books, articles, movies, Wikis. And you don't have to go anywhere. There are specialized TV channels (NatGeo, Discovery, Nature, Animal Planet, My Planet, Adventure and dozens of other channels). Although the DPRK is a closed country, there is quite a lot of information about it, and it is not rosy.
As for the grandparents. These are mostly frostbitten scoops, for these the Soviet Union is the best country in the world, and no one will convince them otherwise. Personally, I lived in the USSR for 24 years until the collapse, so I saw a lot and learned a lot from the older generation at kitchen gatherings about the "delights" of life in the largest country in the world.
But if you analyze the series, and not stupidly angry at the screenwriters, then you can understand that it shows not an alternative USSR, but modern Russia.
@Painio: And yes: in the series there is not only a "bad" USSR, but also a "good" one - Gorbachev (friendship, cooperation). He became "bad" when the KGB came to power through a coup. Does it remind you of anything?
Ahahhahah , well , if the TV is not Russian , then a priori the source is more reliable, and even Wikipedia 😂 I haven't laughed like that in a long time (it's more reliable than a Swiss watch)😂 Fuck, where does it say that the DPRK is a stronghold of joy and the best in the world? It's a classic to change everything and throw it in.
That's why I'm watching you so "annoyed" by my dissatisfaction with how the history of the series is moving, resulting in pure propaganda of the "alternative USSR - where it's just moving, the Soviets are bad = Russia is the same thing." And you understand this, you have confirmed it yourself, but you persist in telling me here, well, this is an "alternative".
Ahahahahahahahah, s*ka, even in this reference to Gorbachev, do you not understand what the joke of "warming" in the series is?)))
After the words: "scoop", and I'm sure you use "rashka", there is no question of any discussion with you anymore.
For everyone else, I repeat: the sadness is that the series was originally about people (regardless of which countries) about their victories / problems / heroism / struggle for rights and barely noticeable "kalina". Now the series is becoming an "agitator" and last of all the story about the characters of the series themselves.
@Lari: Russian TV, where "everything blooms and spikes", "where GDP, incomes, standard of living and life expectancy are growing, the level of happiness among the population, the friendship of peoples is off the scale", where they persistently assert that human rights are the machinations of liberals and Russia does not need them - it hinders development and they must be abolished? "War is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is power." (c). "And — God save you — do not read Soviet newspapers before lunch," that is, do not watch federal channels.
Are palm trees growing on Wikipedia and in Antarctica? Is North Korea a stronghold of democracy? And the earth is flat? And God created the Earth in 7 days, around which the Sun revolves? It should be banned, everyone is lying there, or even better - write your own.
Isn't that funny to you? Although, no. I was not mistaken - you are a representative of the third option, and a clinical one. And yet: this series was not filmed for Russia, it was filmed, first of all, for the American viewer, who does not know exactly where Russia is (somewhere in Europe). Not because he's dumb, but because he doesn't care where the third world country is. And for you, the option is simply not to watch this movie if you are not satisfied with something.
@Lari: "4. Imagine, in addition to school textbooks and TV, you can learn about the USSR in scientific and documentary works and even in the Library."
I wonder what you will learn "in scientific and documentary works and even in the library" if these publications have been published since Soviet times under strict censorship? Will it say that rural residents were not issued passports until 1974? What was the criminal article for parasitism? That punitive psychiatry was widely used for dissidents? That there was a food coupon system in the 70s beyond the Urals? What was the childlessness tax, which was abolished only in 1992?
@Painio: You've gone off the topic of the series. All adequate people already know that the USSR was an evil empire that killed millions of people, unleashed World War II together with Hitler and engaged in the genocide of some peoples. But on the topic of the series: I think that the style was very coolly copied from the 90s. Such sadness is sadness against the background of dirty snow.
@Painio: it's funny that in real history Gorbachev is just a creature of Andropov, the head of the KGB So, the confrontation between Gorbachev and the KGB is exactly an alternative story
@krook: is this when the USSR, together with Hitler, unleashed World War II?😂 everything is really bad, look at something other than Dudya, maybe you'll finally get smarter
@Sos: for all Mom's liberals and haters of the Soviet Union. For you who do not want to dig into documents, for those who only watch Dudya, Katz and others, who will tell you how evil the USSR was and how it unleashed World War II together with Hitler. THROUGHOUT the 30s, Stalin hammered European leaders with a request to create a coalition against Hitler's aggression. But the bright "democracies" of Britain and France decided to simply incite Hitler to the east. We do not forget how France and England stupidly gave Austria and Czechoslovakia to be devoured. And who was the only one trying to protect the Czechs? Right. Stalin. But Poland did not let the USSR troops through, and she and Hitler went to devour pieces of Czechoslovakia (this is by the way about poor Poland-a victim who suffered for nothing) and after all this, when Stalin sees that the West is not going to stop Hitler, and that Hitler will go to war on the Union, what is Stalin's goal Should it be ? Push the boundaries as far as possible. Do not forget, again, that the USSR sent troops to Poland only after the complete defeat of the latter. There just wasn't a choice anymore. Either you take the lands, or the Germans.
@Painio: Don't try to fit me into the camp of Putinists, Medinists, Kadyrovites and other husks. I don't like the Russian government more than others. However, my historical education allows me not to be guided by propaganda, both pro-government and pro-liberal. Everyone lies in their own interests. The government lies in order to keep this power. Liberals lie in order to discredit the government as much as possible and come to power themselves in order to lie for the sake of power. And so on endlessly. A vicious circle
@Sos: There is no point and benefit for liberals to lie about a state that has not existed for 32 years and for which only "scoops" are nostalgic, and the younger generation has only heard and read something. In 10 years, only historians, some of the survivors and ... no one else will remember about the USSR.
@Painio: if there's no point, then why are they lying? No, I'm serious, you can not love the USSR, there is a reason. But instead of taking real examples, they just blatantly lie, and this lie can be easily exposed, it's just that not everyone is interested in digging into archives, documents and other things. He uses it. And the benefit of lying is at least because the modern Russian Federation is legally the heir of the USSR. And our "highly respected government" uses the Soviet past for its political purposes. Well, at least to see what they turned into on May 9th. Therefore, at least this is the benefit. Allegedly exposing the "terrible" USSR, which our government uses for its own purposes
@Painio: Oh, well, I forgot the most important thing, actually. Liberals lie about the Union because they are disgusted by the Soviet system itself. And, of course, it must be discredited in full. Even by blatant lies
@Sos: Are you serious? Discredit something that has discredited itself for a long time? The coupon system, the "best" medicine in the world, the "best" education in the world, the shortage of basic things, household appliances by appointment, collective farms, punitive medicine, persecution of dissidents, propaganda from all irons about the "best country in the world", "friendship of peoples". WWII: fake heroes, fake exploits, "the country is the only winner of fascism." By the way, people in the COMECON countries lived much better than in the USSR.
I have lived in the USSR for 24 years and this is just a stage in my life, nothing more. No nostalgia. Yes, I could write a lot of good things about the deceased, but I was born and lived in the second city of the country, where all the hardships of the "best Soviet system in the world" were not felt.
I don't need to answer, I don't want to engage in polemics.
A person in his right mind would not write that Stalin sent troops into Poland to push back the border, and allegedly out of absolutely good intentions. First, let the German troops advance and the situation was deplorable, but there were still a lot of divisions that were later captured in the scoop, where most of these very divisions were suddenly shot, since it did not seem promising in the eyes of Stalin to return 100 thousand peasants to the territory occupied by the "scoop", although if we proceed from your logic, then they would be happy to serve within the framework of strategic depth And in continuation of this topic, I want to remind you that at the beginning of the Nazi invasion of Poland, those France and Great Britain that you hate declared war on Hitler, but the Soviet Union was in no hurry, and somehow it did not work out with the coalition. Apparently, the logic was maybe lucky, but somehow it failed, and I had to fight on my lands, where more than 20 million lay in the grave, but the mustachioed genius outplayed everyone, seized a piece of land for himself, instead of preparing troops and fighting obvious evil in enemy territory, and not enslaving the Slavic the people are neighboring, but they sign such dubious pacts. The plan didn't work
@sonic01: God, where do you come from? Did it say something about good intentions somewhere? It was not a good motive, but a necessity. If the Western countries were not going to help the Soviets, and they were not going to. Once again, read about the political situation in the 30s of the 20th century. Probably just for fun, the Soviet government tried to create a rowing coalition against the Germans. France and England declared war on Hitler, but for some reason they did not fight. Oh, what is it? Have you not heard about the Silent War of '39? And you read it. The French and Germans sat in their trenches and did nothing for a year. That's for sure the help to Poland and the war against the aggressor. It's perfectly simple. The USSR did not help Poland because it was not ready for war. And he used these few years of calm, thanks to the Molotov-Rebentrop pact, to mobilize industry and the army. It is interesting how Stalin "enslaved the peoples." He enslaved them so much that he made the Baltic Republics the richest in eastern Europe. Well, now they are independent. And they go to Europe to wash toilets for a small salary. But they wash the toilets independently. Your knowledge of history is excellent.
@sonic01: All liberal kids like to remember Poland, but they try not to mention Austria and Czechoslovakia, which these three bastards, Chamberlain, Wood and Daladier, gave to Adika for so much. I wonder why? Or that the Moscow negotiations with Tea partiers and croissant lovers were disrupted, and the anti-German coalition was not created because the Psheks did not agree to let Soviet troops into the west? Well, we received German ones in the opposite direction a week later.
@fluffyevil: They like to remember Poland. But at the same time, they do not like to remember that there was also a fascist government in Poland, which, together with Adik, participated in the partition of Czechoslovakia
So you yourself wrote a bunch of contradictory facts, which does not cancel out what I said, the quiet war was just for the same reason that you voiced "No one in Europe was ready for war at that moment except Hitler," but only Great Britain and France announced their position at the same time. And by the way, on the topic of war readiness, for some reason the lack of readiness for war did not prevent us from launching a military campaign in Finland, well, appropriately shit ourselves there and reveal to Hitler the real picture of the state of the army at that time, and after such humiliation, of course, we expected to "make friends" with the devil. And by the way, for some reason, the preparation for the war still failed like a copper basin, because until the last they hoped that the plans would be followed and the scoop would be able to sit out just on the ball, capturing some lands for itself, and for the same reason we see not just a catastrophic, but humiliatingly catastrophic start of the war. It's funny to hear what kind of liberals you are, but we can't admit the real mistakes of the past, but if you look at the truth, then at that moment Stalin was no different from Hitler, just winners are not judged, and they were grateful for the sacrifice, so the corners smoothed out a little. On the subject of Eastern Europe and the Baltic States, which should be grateful to the scoop for the barbaric seizure with all the consequences, they are still top 1 in eastern Europe, and Moscow is not Russia, gentlemen, just let me remind you
@sonic01: Smelling of shit and mothballs, the eternal whining of "liberals", non-brothers from the CIS and offended heirs of resettled national traitors (I'm not interested in which category you personally belong to BTV) for how bad and stupid Stalin was, it makes no sense to discuss seriously, of course, adequate and educated people. Although I can't help but ask a standard question: in the opinion of the above-mentioned groups, which cannot distinguish him from Hitler, how many people were selected according to what criteria was Stalin going to destroy?
And by what parameters are the Baltic limitrofs now top 1? According to the population decline over 30 years, this is understandable, but what else is bggg?
@fluffyevil: Come on, what's there to explain to him? The level of intelligence is already clear after the phrase "Stalin is Hitler." You don't even have to read any more. He also said something about the Finnish war. The union was humiliated so much that they already accepted all the demands of Moscow. That's what I mean humiliation is humiliation
As always when talking to cotton wool, there are not enough arguments - we go into aggression Firstly, the answer to the comment above is the demographic crisis throughout eastern Europe, and the fact that somewhere due to migrant workers the index does not fall into the abyss does not mean how good everything is, especially considering that the quality of these migrants is the level of building a house out of shit and sticks Secondly, I did not just write a comment "at that moment", that Stalin was not such a hoaxer and completely detached? Perhaps, but he also coped well with the liquidation of his citizens, and even with the national communities of the states into which he invaded, and generally with a bang. Regarding the Finnish war, is this where the plans were to occupy almost the entire territory? And in fact, did you get a small buffer zone, and the losses are MANY TIMES higher than the losses of the less numerical side? Well, yes, that's what I said, exactly humiliation. In short, guys, go buy a beer for yourself and continue watching the series I don't plan to answer anymore because after all, the site is not for such discussions
@sonic01: The Second World War in Europe was unleashed by Poland in 1938, attacking Czechoslovakia and occupying Tesin Silesia, in alliance with Hitler. In the same 1938, Great Britain and France tore up Czechoslovakia completely and gave it away.. Well, yes, Hitler again. But Stalin is to blame for everything, of course.
Of course, the new head of Roscosmos has interesting management decisions: she complains that the mistake occurred because people are afraid to take responsibility and immediately gives the KGB the man who took it. She'll run out of managers like that in a month.
P. S. I still don't understand where they got Roscosmos from if the Union didn't fall apart
@miha_xxx: That's how he got handed out for hiding information. I told you: if the Americans had found this, they would have accused the entire Roscosmos of sabotage.
Chet kapets shit the fourth season. An infuriating driller who sets everyone up out of his own greed. There are no "combat pensioners" from last season. Fierce cranberries about SOVIET GULAG. This is no longer an exciting series about space exploration, but Santa Barbara with a gulag and strong women. Ugh!
@UmbertoNuevo: Oh, I just wanted to write about the same thing. There was a Glavkosmos department within the Ministry of General Mechanical Engineering of the USSR, which is logical. The RSFSR did not have its own space program.
Nevertheless, it is funny with Margot how an almost exemplary Soviet aunt came out of her - and for this she did not even need to suffer in the dungeons of the organs, even though it was. And on the other hand, it's just as funny with Comrade Morozova, who does not understand that it's not about the dullness of her subordinates and the uniqueness of Margot, but in the system she serves and which does not tolerate uniqueness, but loves and educates dullness, even if often only in behavior.
It's a pity how the series rolled down.. One politicization from season 4 and no interesting storyline(as if the screenwriter had changed ( Before that, the series was like a breath of fresh air with an exciting and interesting plot, now some kind of naked propaganda (
At least the Americans are showing their hypocrisy. The criminal will not give up, she is a "good" ideological criminal. If Vaska had arrived , high would have raised a small bandit -bastard to plant
Now it's some kind of fucking Russophobic shit... the USSR is pure evil, everyone is being beaten, shot /tortured. Xs where do more engineers and astronauts come from....
And yet: in a modern (not alternative) North Korea's human rights situation is even worse, but for some reason they have engineers and they launch satellites. A paradox, isn't it?
2. I love these moralizing and personality analysis in one comment)))
If you did not know or maybe did not communicate much with foreigners from different countries (preferably abroad), then I will open a secret for most of the USSR/Russia (people living in already selected CIS countries) = Russians/Russia (it's not a conversation about how much it's right, it's just easier for them).
And even "now" (3 years ago, in my first year, I was on an exchange for 1 year
Russian Russians came to Ireland with their classmates (Ukrainian/Russian/Georgian) all the time.
Therefore, it is difficult not to notice the "log" of the propaganda campaign "bad advice = Russian", except that it is simply intentionally ignored)))
3. I understand that it is easier to be in a crowd and shout: The Empire is the USSR, but read the definition first and you will discover which other country falls into this category and by all signs)))
4. Imagine, in addition to school textbooks and TV, you can find out about the USSR in scientific and documentary works and even in the Library. And plus, lo and behold, there are Grannies/ Grandfathers - that they have lived their lives and can tell about their experiences.
5. Your suit about Korea can be beaten by your own argument))) How can you talk about human rights in the DPRK if you have not personally been / lived there, and your idea is only TV, yes Books)
As they say, "toad *** viper" 🙂
As for the grandparents. These are mostly frostbitten scoops, for these the Soviet Union is the best country in the world, and no one will convince them otherwise. Personally, I lived in the USSR for 24 years until the collapse, so I saw a lot and learned a lot from the older generation at kitchen gatherings about the "delights" of life in the largest country in the world.
But if you analyze the series, and not stupidly angry at the screenwriters, then you can understand that it shows not an alternative USSR, but modern Russia.
Ahahhahah , well , if the TV is not Russian , then a priori the source is more reliable, and even Wikipedia 😂
I haven't laughed like that in a long time (it's more reliable than a Swiss watch)😂
Fuck, where does it say that the DPRK is a stronghold of joy and the best in the world? It's a classic to change everything and throw it in.
That's why I'm watching you so "annoyed" by my dissatisfaction with how the history of the series is moving, resulting in pure propaganda of the "alternative USSR - where it's just moving, the Soviets are bad = Russia is the same thing."
And you understand this, you have confirmed it yourself, but you persist in telling me here, well, this is an "alternative".
Ahahahahahahahah, s*ka, even in this reference to Gorbachev, do you not understand what the joke of "warming" in the series is?)))
After the words: "scoop", and I'm sure you use "rashka", there is no question of any discussion with you anymore.
For everyone else, I repeat: the sadness is that the series was originally about people (regardless of which countries) about their victories / problems / heroism / struggle for rights and barely noticeable "kalina". Now the series is becoming an "agitator" and last of all the story about the characters of the series themselves.
Are palm trees growing on Wikipedia and in Antarctica? Is North Korea a stronghold of democracy? And the earth is flat? And God created the Earth in 7 days, around which the Sun revolves? It should be banned, everyone is lying there, or even better - write your own.
Isn't that funny to you? Although, no. I was not mistaken - you are a representative of the third option, and a clinical one. And yet: this series was not filmed for Russia, it was filmed, first of all, for the American viewer, who does not know exactly where Russia is (somewhere in Europe). Not because he's dumb, but because he doesn't care where the third world country is. And for you, the option is simply not to watch this movie if you are not satisfied with something.
I wonder what you will learn "in scientific and documentary works and even in the library" if these publications have been published since Soviet times under strict censorship? Will it say that rural residents were not issued passports until 1974? What was the criminal article for parasitism? That punitive psychiatry was widely used for dissidents? That there was a food coupon system in the 70s beyond the Urals? What was the childlessness tax, which was abolished only in 1992?
But on the topic of the series: I think that the style was very coolly copied from the 90s. Such sadness is sadness against the background of dirty snow.
So, the confrontation between Gorbachev and the KGB is exactly an alternative story
I have lived in the USSR for 24 years and this is just a stage in my life, nothing more. No nostalgia. Yes, I could write a lot of good things about the deceased, but I was born and lived in the second city of the country, where all the hardships of the "best Soviet system in the world" were not felt.
I don't need to answer, I don't want to engage in polemics.
First, let the German troops advance and the situation was deplorable, but there were still a lot of divisions that were later captured in the scoop, where most of these very divisions were suddenly shot, since it did not seem promising in the eyes of Stalin to return 100 thousand peasants to the territory occupied by the "scoop", although if we proceed from your logic, then they would be happy to serve within the framework of strategic depth
And in continuation of this topic, I want to remind you that at the beginning of the Nazi invasion of Poland, those France and Great Britain that you hate declared war on Hitler, but the Soviet Union was in no hurry, and somehow it did not work out with the coalition.
Apparently, the logic was maybe lucky, but somehow it failed, and I had to fight on my lands, where more than 20 million lay in the grave, but the mustachioed genius outplayed everyone, seized a piece of land for himself, instead of preparing troops and fighting obvious evil in enemy territory, and not enslaving the Slavic the people are neighboring, but they sign such dubious pacts.
The plan didn't work
Or that the Moscow negotiations with Tea partiers and croissant lovers were disrupted, and the anti-German coalition was not created because the Psheks did not agree to let Soviet troops into the west? Well, we received German ones in the opposite direction a week later.
On the subject of Eastern Europe and the Baltic States, which should be grateful to the scoop for the barbaric seizure with all the consequences, they are still top 1 in eastern Europe, and Moscow is not Russia, gentlemen, just let me remind you
Smelling of shit and mothballs, the eternal whining of "liberals", non-brothers from the CIS and offended heirs of resettled national traitors (I'm not interested in which category you personally belong to BTV) for how bad and stupid Stalin was, it makes no sense to discuss seriously, of course, adequate and educated people. Although I can't help but ask a standard question: in the opinion of the above-mentioned groups, which cannot distinguish him from Hitler, how many people were selected according to what criteria was Stalin going to destroy?
And by what parameters are the Baltic limitrofs now top 1? According to the population decline over 30 years, this is understandable, but what else is bggg?
Firstly, the answer to the comment above is the demographic crisis throughout eastern Europe, and the fact that somewhere due to migrant workers the index does not fall into the abyss does not mean how good everything is, especially considering that the quality of these migrants is the level of building a house out of shit and sticks
Secondly, I did not just write a comment "at that moment", that Stalin was not such a hoaxer and completely detached? Perhaps, but he also coped well with the liquidation of his citizens, and even with the national communities of the states into which he invaded, and generally with a bang. Regarding the Finnish war, is this where the plans were to occupy almost the entire territory? And in fact, did you get a small buffer zone, and the losses are MANY TIMES higher than the losses of the less numerical side? Well, yes, that's what I said, exactly humiliation. In short, guys, go buy a beer for yourself and continue watching the series
I don't plan to answer anymore because after all, the site is not for such discussions
But Stalin is to blame for everything, of course.
Margot Simonyan, bend over
P. S. I still don't understand where they got Roscosmos from if the Union didn't fall apart
it's nice to remember her
This is no longer an exciting series about space exploration, but Santa Barbara with a gulag and strong women. Ugh!
And on the other hand, it's just as funny with Comrade Morozova, who does not understand that it's not about the dullness of her subordinates and the uniqueness of Margot, but in the system she serves and which does not tolerate uniqueness, but loves and educates dullness, even if often only in behavior.
Before that, the series was like a breath of fresh air with an exciting and interesting plot, now some kind of naked propaganda (