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Duration: 47 min.
Released: 24.05.200925.05.2009 06:00
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2 season
s02e12
s02e08 - Better Call Saul
s02e09 - 4 Days Out
s02e10 - Over
s02e11 - Mandala
s02e12 - Phoenix
s02e13 - ABQ
s03e01 - No Más
s03e02 - Caballo sin Nombre
s03e03 - I.F.T.

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BelikovaIren
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10 Feb 2015, 19:03 #
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IrInAZKKK
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27 Aug 2022, 22:53 #
@BelikovaIren: that's right :))) Instead of helping dad sell drugs, they stir up some kind of blizzard. Here are the fools :)))
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eggjurassicpark3
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15 Mar 2015, 08:09 #
I feel sorry for my father.
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Иерарх
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04 Mar 2023, 08:47 #
@eggjurassicpark3: такая ирония
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ru_let
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26 Apr 2015, 01:53 #
Dramatic series
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grexicus
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07 May 2015, 00:25 #
The Whites' daughter is just lovely
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_diana
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30 May 2015, 13:36 #
The ending is just terrible.... My heart sank..
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Alexox
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17 Jun 2015, 16:15 #
I'm sorry about Jane.. I liked her. But it's no good shooting up.
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sari_nakano
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30 Jun 2015, 00:52 #
@Alexox: She's a real goat. She grabbed onto someone else's fortune as if it were her own, and she's shaking her rights. It's a pity, of course, that she died, and such a disgusting death. But I wouldn't remember her with joy.
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Lika_aka_Dianka
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15 Jul 2015, 13:05 #
@yamnikov_oleg: and it only irritated me. The drug deal is over.
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mrvladislav98
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05 May 2017, 18:35 #
@yamnikov_oleg:
Jesy is a rag himself
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09 Aug 2019, 02:45 #
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Alex_Zorin
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28 Apr 2020, 03:33 #
Ruined her wealth
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astaseas
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20 Jul 2015, 03:25 #
I liked Jane, but only until she snapped. Then the degradation of the character went on, but it was still a pity for her. Although I feel even more sorry for her father and Jesse :with
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Иерарх
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04 Mar 2023, 08:49 #
@astaseas: well, people degrade on drugs, everything is logical
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slipfox
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11 Aug 2015, 22:32 #
I liked Jane so much in the beginning, but after she lost her temper, a negative attitude appeared towards her, and I also feel very sorry for her father. And I didn't expect this from Jason, that he would start shooting up =(
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ann_salll
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24 Aug 2023, 02:02 #
@slipfox: not just snapped, but hooked on heroin and Jessie's rattlesnake mix
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AruKenko
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14 Aug 2015, 18:02 #
Walt didn't turn her on her side on purpose, did he? Or wouldn't that have helped already?
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empsokol
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15 Aug 2015, 23:55 #
@AruKenko: As I understood on purpose. So that she would stop corrupting Jesse and Walt would become his number one again)
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nevereats
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16 Aug 2015, 02:47 #
@AruKenko: He didn't do it on purpose... Do you remember the moment with Tuco and Jesse fighting? He was also standing like a pillar.
He starts catching wild dummies at crucial moments...
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AruKenko
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16 Aug 2015, 03:29 #
@nevereats: That's right... a person is not used to participating in such a thing.
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Kira___
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21 Jan 2016, 17:55 #
@nevereats: at the moment of Tuco and Jesse's fight, he tried to participate, but did not shoot because he was afraid to injure the wrong one. So I think he let Jane die on purpose.
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mabwch
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21 Apr 2016, 03:22 #
@Kira___: As series creator Vince Gilligan explains, Walt let Jane die because he was afraid that her bad influence would lead to Jesse's early death from a heroin overdose.
(excerpt from Wikipedia, the article has a link to the source)
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Kira___
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25 Apr 2016, 19:44 #
@mabwch: Well, that's it. I wrote that Walt had deliberately let Jane die. Your comment should have been addressed to nevereat.
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Nerve33
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17 Sep 2016, 13:01 #
@nevereats: it's clearly visible there, he immediately instinctively reached out to help her, but then changed his mind. A bastard, though.
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alfalyxx
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05 Dec 2018, 20:24 #
@Nerve33: Another time, I would have fallen for it.
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strabby
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07 Dec 2018, 20:49 #
@Nerve33: this solved two of his problems at once. 1) Jesse didn't die from an overdose with her. 2) she didn't rat on him to the news.
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IIIu6ko
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16 May 2019, 18:54 #
@strabby: ++
They would have run out of money and she would have remembered about Walt again.
But I still feel sorry for her. Until she took it, she was cool. :(
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Xphiler
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26 Oct 2020, 08:47 #
Not a bastard. Walt did the right thing. Terrible, but right. She was dragging Jessie to the bottom. They would have died together, but then Jesse would think about it and quit. She didn't have a chance to get out of this hole. Plus, she hoped to outsmart Jesse and take the money for herself. To some extent, Jesse is to blame for this. He persuaded her to start using again and blabbed what was not necessary. It had to be removed for their own safety. And it's convenient here. She cleaned herself.
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IrInAZKKK
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27 Aug 2022, 22:56 #
@Xphiler: he didn't bow her down, even asked her to leave.
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unicorn_Ria
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15 Aug 2023, 19:54 #
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Avis
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06 Sep 2015, 17:37 #
First, Jane's father advises Walt not to abandon his troubled "family member", then Walt follows his advice... and becomes the cause of death of his adviser's daughter. You could even say twice: when she turned over on her back because of his intervention, and then when he stood and watched her die.

Well, how can you not love a series full of such subtle, mocking moments? :)
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strannikbaho
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25 Jun 2016, 01:13 #
@Avis: Well, after all, the cause of her death wasn't Walt, but that she was stoned....
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Nerve33
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17 Sep 2016, 13:04 #
@strannikbaho: Walt came in, turned her over and watched her choke. Heroin, of course, is also to blame, but if it wasn't for Walt, she would be alive.
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shura549
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10 Feb 2017, 01:29 #
@Nerve33: If not now, then later. She would have gotten stoned anyway and died either from an overdose or drowned.
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09 Aug 2019, 02:49 #
The cause of death would have been heroin if Walt hadn't been in the room. And that's what it's called criminal inaction
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htoniceskii
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04 May 2020, 13:40 #
Walt didn't turn it over
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Nog
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19 May 2020, 03:45 #
@htoniceskii: Not straight, but she rolled over on her back because Walt was trying to wake Jessie up.
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IrInAZKKK
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27 Aug 2022, 23:00 #
@Nerve33: he didn't turn it over, it fell off when Walt started shaking Jessie.
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vishnyamalinka
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12 Dec 2015, 16:59 #
Damn, he basically killed her... And the dude is bloodthirsty...
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ann_salll
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24 Aug 2023, 02:05 #
@vishnyamalinka: well, not exactly bloodthirsty, for him, Jesse is still clearly expensive, and she just literally squeezed out the money and fucked up heroin again and Jesse became heroin, in general, Jane's death wish is quite logical
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Akuma_des
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22 Jan 2016, 21:20 #
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henrywayat
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20 Jun 2016, 19:57 #
@Akuma_des: Yes, a fictional character written by screenwriters, why didn't you do it, why?! By God, it's like old people talking to the telly.
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mttsth
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25 Aug 2019, 14:09 #
Dude, these are emotions
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sweetadmi
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24 Jan 2016, 06:59 #
I fell into a precipitate after such an ending... Walt, how do you live with this? Oh, yeah, you have cancer.
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IrInAZKKK
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27 Aug 2022, 23:02 #
@sweetadmi: to live normally. Not his worst offense. He lives with others.
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stolen_youth
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17 Apr 2016, 15:54 #
Jane's father is more to be pitied than herself. It's her own fault that she died. And Walt was right not to help her. This is purely my opinion, I do not impose it on anyone)
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strabby
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07 Dec 2018, 20:50 #
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Yand13da
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27 May 2020, 14:19 #
From the point of view of solving the problem that she has become. Walt did everything right, solved two problems at once. I was still in the middle of the series thinking that there was only one way out for them! She must die.
And yes, skip as much as you want. It's a great twist for the plot.
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in_our_love
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10 May 2016, 18:09 #
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Nerve33
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17 Sep 2016, 13:05 #
@in_our_love: So Jesse's a dead junkie too, should he die too?
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strabby
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07 Dec 2018, 20:51 #
@in_our_love: If your best friend becomes an addict, would you say the same?
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goodhoopoe
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14 Dec 2018, 17:07 #
@strabby: If he becomes a complete drug addict, yes. Any more questions?
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strabby
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16 Dec 2018, 11:32 #
@goodhoopoe: Did I ask you, loony?
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09 Aug 2019, 02:51 #
No one can save a drug addict if he doesn't want to save himself.
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IrInAZKKK
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27 Aug 2022, 23:03 #
@in_our_love: I agree, she put Jessie on heroin.
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id271159197
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12 Jun 2016, 21:11 #
The series instills a terrible aversion to all kinds of drugs
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09 Aug 2019, 02:52 #
Watch Requiem for a Dream
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feanorfs
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11 Apr 2020, 22:14 #
@Splyushka: He just cuts off Requiem with an axe, this one slowly saws it out with a hacksaw.
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ATTyoma
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21 Oct 2022, 18:21 #
@feanorfs: I advise you to look at Gaspard Noe's "Ecstasy"
If Requiem is an axe, then Ecstasy is...I don't even know...A chainsaw?
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vk775121
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18 Aug 2022, 05:30 #
@id271159197: I wouldn 't say )
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henrywayat
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20 Jun 2016, 20:01 #
I am pleased with the comments that condemn Walt. Jane is sorry, but it was only a matter of time after her breakdown. So, seriously, do you believe that Jesse and his girlfriend would have a happy ending and a happy drug-free life in hobbit land? Yes, they immediately took another dose instead of washing it off, nuff said.
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Nerve33
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17 Sep 2016, 13:11 #
@henrywayat: that is, drug addicts can be safely killed because they can kill themselves, so what? Would she have died anyway? You don't know that. Not every addict dies from an overdose, there are those who somehow struggle and cope. A tiny spoiler for the next season - but Jesse didn't have it so bad (as far as I remember, I've been watching it for a long time).
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strabby
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07 Dec 2018, 20:54 #
@Nerve33: +1, little brother. here in the comments is a gathering of easily led moralphages who do not know about rehab and substitution therapy, which treats addiction. No, their propaganda-washed brains can only give out that DRUG ADDICTS NEED TO BE SHOT!!11 BOH WILL PUNISH!!!11 in short, I am disappointed that this series is watched by such uninvited sheep. And you have +1
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IrInAZKKK
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27 Aug 2022, 23:06 #
@Nerve33: Yes, because he wasn't on heroin, he wasn't on a needle. In this sense, it's good that she died, apparently, otherwise both ends would have been lost.
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IrInAZKKK
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27 Aug 2022, 23:08 #
@strabby: Oh, how experienced you are, though :)))
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Иерарх
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04 Mar 2023, 08:58 #
@IrInAZKKK: yeah, and in those two episodes, it was he who let glucose through his vein =3
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09 Aug 2019, 02:59 #
And I believe in a happy ending with Jane. She was the only person who didn't judge him at all. And given the lack of sane friends and family relationships, she was generally the only thing to hold on to. No job, no kids, no hobbies. She could have put him in rehab if she hadn't moved out herself. Especially since she started dating him before she found out about the money.
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Moonacre
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06 Jul 2016, 16:05 #
A very difficult ending... :(
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fckngastro
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17 Jul 2016, 02:41 #
I feel sorry for Jessie more than Jane.
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broken_sorrow
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07 Aug 2016, 00:59 #
I think Jane's death was needed in the first place to show that Walter was completely reborn and, for personal purposes, capable of killing/letting die anyone who "takes away his power" over Jesse. Heisenberg has too big plans.
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080585
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23 Dec 2023, 12:08 #
He was crying, who had he been reborn into? In the movies, family members are killed because an agent (like the good guys) talked about his secret job or Mrs. And then this asshole Jesse gave up not just everything about himself, but about Walt!

Jesse is not a man at all, he's a little careless guy who picks his nose and wants a change without doing anything about it. Walt has been pulling everything on himself lately, and Jesse framed him so cruelly
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Nerve33
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17 Sep 2016, 13:22 #
Here I am amazed with the arguments about Jane in the style of "it's my fault, I'm a fool, I lost my temper, I'm sick of her." Do you even know how addiction works? Addiction appears on a biological level, not just a psychological one. People break down after a huge amount of time, strong people who have something to lose, people with families. It's like saying that Walt is an asshole because his cancer has worsened. I'm not saying that it's not her fault at all, of course it's her fault, there can be no question about it. But she is not to blame to the extent that everyone here thinks. And she certainly didn't deserve to die.
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juliakey
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18 Sep 2016, 02:16 #
I feel sorry for Jane because she snapped because of Jessie. She wanted to support him so much that for 18 months the ties went wild. And anger at Jesse for not stopping her. The guy is a weakling, and no matter how rude it sounds, it serves him right. Maybe the loss of a loved one will make him think about what kind of bottom he has slipped into
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Lika_aka_Dianka
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25 Jul 2017, 02:59 #
@juliakey: She didn't snap because of Jessie, but because of herself. Because she's weak and addicted, and her addiction is much bigger than Jessie's. And she's also selfish, and creepy. The moment when she grabbed someone else's money and shouted: "Do you know what this means?! I'm free!" So don't say that Jesse had any influence. He didn't force a syringe into her vein.
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Sagi_UA
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21 Mar 2019, 19:18 #
@Lika_aka_Dianka: The translation added selfishness to her words.
In the original: "Do you know what this is? This is freedom." - "Do you know what it is? This is freedom!"
She meant freedom for both of them, that's why she asked where he wanted to go, and did not express her desires, but of course, having received "freedom", their decision to use heavy drugs was not very reasonable..
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Manmart
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04 Nov 2016, 18:41 #
It amazes me how quickly they give birth in the series. Seriously, she gave birth to a baby in less than an hour, is this even real?
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Sophisticated
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04 Dec 2016, 00:01 #
In reality, second births are often rapid.
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Manmart
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04 Dec 2016, 15:28 #
@Kraynosty: Well, OK, they can give birth in a couple of hours there, not in a day, but not in an hour. She didn't have a caesarean.
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iriska73
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13 Dec 2016, 19:34 #
@Kraynosty: the second birth, but they are 15 years later, can be considered as the first. It's too fast anyway.
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id82903384
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20 Jul 2020, 03:55 #
I gave birth to my first child in an hour)
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DeerBeemo
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09 Jan 2017, 17:05 #
Well, since Jane died, I want to say that she reminded me a lot of Hannah Snowdon.
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LLLL5
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25 Jan 2017, 11:31 #
Not everyone could stand and watch her die like that. I am sure that most people would instinctively rush to help even their worst enemy. I don't like the main character anymore.
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IrInAZKKK
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27 Aug 2022, 23:12 #
@LLLL5: Did you like him? How cute:) When did you do drugs for young people in kilograms?
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FemaleDexter
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12 Jan 2023, 06:31 #
People don't have instincts.
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id119967010
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15 Feb 2017, 08:30 #
Everything ended up right for Jesse and his girlfriend, so let Heisenberg take the bag of money for himself. He warned them!
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lashkova_nat
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11 Mar 2017, 04:14 #
Great, Walt went to get diapers)
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Meliksedova
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13 Apr 2017, 00:13 #
Jesse, like a sucker, told the first whore about his business and normally allowed her to run over a man.
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mrvladislav98
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080585
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23 Dec 2023, 12:13 #
@Meliksedova: Jesse is not like a sucker, he is — this is what is being told from the first episode

The only positive thing that opened up in him was sympathy: for that boy in the house of drug addicts, for his friends, for his family. But, actually, he is like a weak person and sees the same weakness in others and at such moments tries to help as much as he can (and usually cannot in any way)

He is fragile, the drug business is clearly not about him, maybe in some soft or more technical profession he would open up more, but we will not find out, apparently
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deeniks
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15 May 2017, 18:18 #
It was cruel, but I don't feel sorry for her at all. Otherwise, I fell for a dime.
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goodhoopoe
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15 Aug 2017, 13:27 #
The only one I feel sorry for is my father. The guy played a damn good parental experience.
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VIRUS
VIRUS
20 Sep 2017, 02:40 #
Многие тут осуждаю Уолта. Но ведь один из основных мотивов не помогать ей это страх за свою безопасность, а не только желание помочь Джесси. Ведь после того как заночились 480 тысяч она бы первым делом начала его шантажировать чтобы получить ещё. Так что Джесси является не меньшей причиной её смерти, чем Уолт. Не надо было ей всё рассказывать.
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invidia
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19 Nov 2019, 03:30 #
@VIRUS: "never trust junkie", huh
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let_me_fall
let_me_fall
17 Oct 2017, 01:48 #
Да уж, после прошлой серии я прям ждала, когда она умрёт. Такой отвратительной стала, жуть. А ведь изначально нравилась. Эх, остаётся надеяться, что Джесси не будет и дальше искать утешения в наркоте, хотя о чём это я?
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SidRaccoon
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23 Jan 2018, 12:09 #
Смотрю я на Уолта и вспоминаю Декстера с ребенком ;D
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strabby
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07 Dec 2018, 20:58 #
@SidRaccoon: вспомнилась сцена "Daddy kills people, bad people" :D
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vldslv_mklbv
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03 Feb 2018, 03:37 #
серия - экватор сериала.
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ramill
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31 Jul 2018, 03:57 #
Концовка ужасна...
Он дал ей умереть, хоть и со слезами на глазах. Уолт все больше и больше становится тем, кем не хотел быть. Я думаю к финалу сериала я увижу того, кого Уолт призирал в 1 сезоне. Но Гейзенберг конечно крут, но к чему это все приведёт? И действительно ли это все ради семьи? Вот она суть денег и жизни.
Как не крути, но деньги правят всем.
Джесси упал в моих глазах, когда подсел на иглу прихватив с собой подругу свою.
Жаль, что чтобы встать на путь истинный, ему придётся жить с мыслью, что в каком то смысле по его вине, в том числе, погибла девушка в которую он влюбился.
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eman-on
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20 Nov 2018, 05:11 #
@ramill: >Джесси упал в моих глазах, когда подсел на иглу прихватив с собой подругу свою.
??он её никуда не прихватывал, это она его на иглу подсадила, он до неё никогда и не кололся.
но рычажком к срыву джейн стало её желание его поддержать, когда он потерял друга, а т.к. она сама наркоша бывшая другого способа не нашлось, это да, но уж вешать вину за это на него - крайне странно.
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ramill
ramill
23 Nov 2018, 23:36 #
@eman-on: я не вешаю на него вину, я просто написал, что когда он начал колоться, он упал в моих глазах, и в каком-то смысле, он виновен. Просто все взаимосвязано. Не окажись там Уолтера, ничего бы может быть и не произошло. А он там по причине знакомства с Джесси.
А поводу девочки, она влюбилась и Джесси стал ее триггером. В общем тяжелая ситуация, как собственно и весь сериал!
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IrInAZKKK
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27 Aug 2022, 23:14 #
@ramill: о чем вы? это она посадила его на иглу.
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Elya1000
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07 Oct 2018, 11:15 #
Считаю, что поступок Уолта в этой серии, один из немногих хороших поступков по отношению к Джесси, которые он делал
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abay_kenzhekhan
abay_kenzhekhan
05 Nov 2018, 00:04 #
Действительно, сложно сказать чего хотел Уолт когда смотрел как умирает Джейн. Возможно он посчитал что её смерть хороший случай для всех сторон. Ведь Джейн знает слишком много про Уолта, а также Джесси скорее перестанет колоться,но это не факт.
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ali_law
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15 Nov 2018, 20:15 #
Jane's dad - just on the break 💔
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kunica_devica
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13 May 2020, 13:09 #
Его больше жаль, чем Джейн. Он так старался для неё.
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MasterGeo
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21 Feb 2019, 02:49 #
Блин, до сих пор бомбит.
- " о да это мы можем..."
И вот этот результат.
СТолько всего в серии, что надо целую рецензию писать. Мораль, скрытые смыслы, метафоры и прочее.
Но Уолт конечно.... Знал бы он еще что это дочь того самого мужика из бара.....
Грустно все это ппц.

Но думаю Джесси и Джейн не ужились бы, делить бабки начали б или прокутили в конечном итоге. Блин я когда эту фразу писал вспомнил фильм "Джей и молчаливый Боб наносят уда" там фразочка была: "Джей и Джестис прибалдели...."
Сорняк, за оф топ, не в тему конечно, особенно для этой серии.
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ogoltelo
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11 Apr 2020, 17:19 #
@MasterGeo: about the fact that "they wouldn't get along" - it seems to me that they would get along quite well, and most likely they would live like that couple with a child where the wife crushed the man's head with an ATM.
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DimasBogatyrov
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23 Aug 2020, 04:32 #
@ogoltelo: ох да, когда они начали колоться, я сразу же про ту парочку и вспомнил
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IrInAZKKK
IrInAZKKK
27 Aug 2022, 23:17 #
@MasterGeo: я думаю, что если б он знал, что это его дочь, он бы не дал ей умереть. Но может быть слишком хорошо думаю...
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nesmeyanna
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10 Apr 2019, 22:08 #
с самого первого появления джейн в жизни джесси я надеялась, что она поможет ему отказаться от наркотиков. что ж, конечно, не так, как я думала сначала, но похоже поможет..
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Dark_Spawn
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30 Jun 2019, 22:17 #
А Джейн поначалу нормальной была. А потом так скатиться. Наркотики и деньги портят людей.
Уолт назвал Джесси племянником. Это так мило.
То что Уолт не спас Джейн, конечно, плохо, но.... Вообщем не все так однозначно.
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SaraSarra4
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24 Jul 2019, 21:43 #
Пиздец
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Spiel
Spiel
19 Sep 2019, 21:10 #
@SaraSarra4: я бы вообще оскара дал за эту серию.
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iskander-zombie
iskander-zombie
21 Sep 2019, 00:49 #
Жесть какая. о_О
Ну хоть у Уолта все более-менее (до поры до времени, хехе).
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bzzikalka
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27 Oct 2019, 02:51 #
Очень жаль Джейн, но не хотелось бы, чтобы Джесси потом с ней закончил, как тот мужик с банкоматом(
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keitkeit
keitkeit
26 Jan 2020, 20:23 #
Согласна, после реквиема по мечте становится не по себе даже от слова наркотики
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ogoltelo
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11 Apr 2020, 17:23 #
Как хорошо они провели аналогию - Уолт бережно переворачивает свою дочку на бок, чтобы не захлебнулась во сне, а потом идёт и позволяет умереть чужой дочери точно так же.
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IgorLemberg
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30 Jun 2020, 20:33 #
Why pity her? Konchenaaya naarkomansha who wanted money. In 5-10 years, she would be like that drug addict who killed her boyfriend with an ATM. Here in general, I don't feel sorry for a drop.
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IgorLemberg
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30 Jun 2020, 20:42 #
@Сплюшка: я верю в санта клауса:)
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mysh_krodetsya
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22 Feb 2021, 01:45 #
Отец Ддейн мега затупил. Хорошо, он согоасился, чтобы она ехала в клинику завтра, но почему он ее оставил на этой хате с герычем и джесси?? Нужно было хватать ее и везти к себе домой, а не тупо оставлять до завтра
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Kristina_Kris_18
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22 Feb 2021, 17:45 #
Талант пробьёт себе дорогу, хоть ты его души.
Хэнк Шрэйдер
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mahishamir
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17 Apr 2021, 20:30 #
В конце жестоко конечно было, понравилась параллель в начале серии когда он дочку набок положил, если вдруг срыгнет, и в конце когда он просто стоял и смотрел на Джейн
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mamkerink
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08 Sep 2021, 00:47 #
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Hername
Hername
29 Sep 2021, 10:17 #
Всем наркоманам туда и дорога, ни капли не жаль. Сами выбрали подобного рода путь.
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Ustrahan
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23 Jan 2022, 03:33 #
Я вспомнил Windows XP
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Shodan69
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09 Feb 2022, 14:42 #
What a brilliant screenwriter Vince Gilligan is, if he made so many hamsters adore such a disgusting monster as Walter White.
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Ctixia
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09 Feb 2022, 20:51 #
@Shodan69: Гиллиган там далеко не единственный сценарист, а в этой серии вообще не участвовал в разработке сценария.
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Lala_B
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23 Feb 2022, 11:54 #
Не ожидала от Уолта такого…тем более после разговора про дочерей … вот так взять и дать чьей-то дочери умереть(((
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vindis
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09 Apr 2022, 00:57 #
Это было жёстко, но прекрасно. Вот она жизнь, вот они люди. Мерзкие и ужасные. Вот думаешь: "Мог же её спасти, чего не спас?" А потом вспоминаешь, как она его шантажировала, его и его семью. Ух. Жизненно.
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080585
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23 Dec 2023, 12:21 #
@vindis: А как в целом он мог ее спасти? Перевернуть — да. Они оба в отключке, то есть нужно вызывать скорую или везти ее туда

Вызвать скорую — Джесси повяжут, второй арест, найдут следы наркоты и деньги заберут

Если везти — камеры отследят его машину, могут выйти на него

Он мог перевернуть ее на бок и мне кажется, так следовало сделать. Но насколько это помогло бы ее спасти и насколько он должен был спасать ее жизнь, рискуя своей, учитывая, что она вернулась к наркотикам всё же сама?...

Простите за жесткость, но я ставлю больше на Волта
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vindis
vindis
09 Apr 2022, 01:02 #
Но вообще смешно: каких хороших поступков мы ожидаем от человека, который создаёт первоклассный наркотик?)
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080585
080585
23 Dec 2023, 12:23 #
@vindis: Да что вы с этим наркотиком: есть спрос — есть предложение

Алкоголь, фастфуд, сигареты — давайте винить директоров производств, а не людей, которые сами покупают и употребляют это каждый день

Всё начинается с себя
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mirscout
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21 Aug 2022, 20:16 #
Поражаюсь как люди не соображают, читая комменты. Без обид(((
Джейн та еще мразь, она бы и Джесси кинула, и Уайта бы подставила, шантажом бы бабки качала. Сам Фринг говорил неспроста что нефиг с нарколыгами дела вести.
Жалко Уайта.... Знаю что все его называют убийцей, и мол какой он бяка, но в таком бизнесе какой у него был выбор? Да и Джесси тут виноват по полной так то. Про бабки расбазарил.... А Джесс совсем не жалко. Кинула бы так по полной.
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mirscout
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21 Aug 2022, 20:23 #
@mirscout: ААААААААААААААААААААААААААААААААА, Батю Джейн пипец как жалко Т_Т. Доча сдохла тупо на своем порыве(((
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pussydestroyer23
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22 Aug 2022, 19:32 #
Батя слишком добрый, снова жалеет дочь, верит в её очередные обещания завязать.. Надо либо принудительно бригадой скорой помощи её забрать в рехаб или же просто вышвырнуть на улицу, и сдавать две квартиры
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pussydestroyer23
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22 Aug 2022, 19:39 #
Джейн никакой не partner, она тупо подстилка торчащая, которой тупо нужны бабки, чтоб по вене было на что пускать, а вообще с такими деньгами она могла бы и уехать куда-то на время, где могла бы это делать в своё удовольствие и не причесывать бате, что завтра с первыми лучами солнца уже будет в рехабе
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pussydestroyer23
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22 Aug 2022, 20:02 #
Разговор Уолта с отцом Джейн хорош, но блин, если ты говоришь: don't give up on them, это же не значит что после того как хрен пойми сколько раз твоё доверие предают - нужно снова это терпеть, раз не хочешь сдаваться - стоит надавить и самому постараться решить вопрос, ясно что он уже пытался много раз и устал, но блин.. Тут либо не переставать, либо забивать болт - в итоге он вроде как болт не забил, но сам уже ничего не предпринимал, кроме слов, которые не много решают - что мы и видим на примере Джейн, она всё поняла, согласилась с отцом и пошла снова колоться.
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pussydestroyer23
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22 Aug 2022, 20:03 #
Уолт конечно поступил жестоко, но при этом у Джесси теперь появится ахренительный урок на всю жизнь, а она по сути в любом случае была обречена на такой исход, рано или поздно
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fay6277
fay6277
04 Sep 2022, 00:50 #
Чорт, вот сейчас, после того как получили деньги, был такой хороший момент, чтобы остановиться
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Koznetsova
Koznetsova
06 Dec 2022, 15:20 #
По-моему, то что они обдолбались после того как говорили о том что нужно все смыть в унитаз, дает понять что они бы никогда с этим не завязали.
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GoodOrange
GoodOrange
14 Feb 2023, 19:56 #
наркомания - это ужасная зависимость и болезнь.
жалко конечно этого добряка.
но как же так всё совпало, что и Джесси ничего не сказал Джейн, что нужно остановиться, и она его подсадила.
ужасно!
Уолтера понять можно, что он действует только в своих интересах, хоть и прикрывает это заботой о семье
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justlikefiiire
justlikefiiire
17 Feb 2023, 01:42 #
ещё когда уолт деньги передавал, думала, что, может, он убьёт её. решится. не убил, но не спас. отца джейн жаль..
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bars_mu14
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10 Mar 2023, 02:50 #
А Джейн можно было спасти?
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Ctixia
Ctixia
13 Mar 2023, 20:27 #
@bars_mu14: В моменте - да. По жизни - вряд ли.
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Demausol
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03 Apr 2023, 08:25 #
Ааа, он все таки провернул сделку, ну наконец то не облом-обломыч.
Джейн просто.... и Джесси под монастырь подводила (черт, во время написания этой фразы Джейн реально спросила его, не хочет ли он уйти в монастырь) и влезла в то, что ей совершенно не принадлежит.
Вот так встреча отца Джейн и Уолта.
Джейн не жалко, такова цена за то, что насрал на свою жизнь.
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Enjoy230
Enjoy230
12 Jul 2023, 05:23 #
Бедный отец
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мандариновая
мандариновая
12 Jul 2023, 22:44 #
Такие всё милые и наивные в комментах. Жёстче надо быть... Все-таки речь о наркобизнесе, а не продаже воздушных шариков. Ты варишь мет, а твой напарник сливает инфу какой-то левой тёлке, которая ещё и наркоманка, и ещё посмела шантажировать, звонит в семью и всё такое. Да я бы их обоих убрала. Во-вторых, Джейн - конченная нарколыга, вообще думала она передознет Джесси и свалит в заказ с деньгами, где помрёт от передоза. Вопрос времени. И дело даже не в наркомании, а то что деньги уже себе присвоила, говорила от лица Джесси с Уолтером. А деньги закончаться, куда они пойдут? Опять к Уолтеру, шантажировать. Мне очень жаль родственников тех людей, кто сидит на игле. Вытянуть и вернуть к жизни очень тяжело, одни мучения и страдания
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unicorn_Ria
unicorn_Ria
15 Aug 2023, 19:56 #
Жаль всех троих в этой серии, осуждать тоже никого не могу. Не особо верю в хеппиэнд для них вместе, оба затащили друг друга на дно, Джесси дал ей глоток свободы на фоне оправданной гиперопеки ее отца из-за чего она и сорвалась, но и Джейн толкнула его на героиновую иглу. В итоге кто-то один бы скопытился либо оба. Уолтера тоже от части жаль, конечно он убрал помеху которая могла его раскрыть, но и спас Джесси от пагубной любви.
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olekolegovich
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29 Aug 2023, 06:52 #
Не люблю, когда на сюжет влияют невероятные случайности. Уолтер совершенно случайно встретился с баре с отцом Джейн, они поговорили, и случайно получилось так, что этот диалог побудил его вернуться в дом Джесси, что сильно повлияло на сюжет.
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Nonelementary
Nonelementary
09 Mar 10:46 #
@olekolegovich: there is such a thing) But thank God BB and BCS do not often commit this sin. Textbook examples of convenient coincidences in BCS — Sol accidentally meets a judge with a broken arm in a liquor store and Mike's pharmacist-employer accidentally makes deals with Nacho in order to bring the two of them together.
But in principle, with such a heat of what is happening, I will easily close my eyes to a couple of pianos in the bushes)
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vk818887
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25 Sep 2023, 15:59 #
Очень жаль, что Джейн так слили, такой колоритный персонаж мог бы быть. Умиляли их отношения в самом начале, но как только она сорвалась все пошло по одному месту... Очевидно, что ее смерть послужит толчком Джесси завязать, но на эту эпизодическую роль можно было бы взять другую девушку, а Джейн приберечь для эндгейма для Джесси. Она могла бы своим примером помочь ему побороть свою зависимость, подтолкнуть его продолжить заниматься рисованием, из них вышел бы очень гармоничный тандем. Но уже как есть...
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Cry_to_Heaven
Cry_to_Heaven
24 Oct 2023, 09:14 #
Больше всего жалко отца Джейн (((((((
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LDU_serials
LDU_serials
29 Dec 2023, 23:41 #
Жёстко
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Nonelementary
Nonelementary
09 Mar 11:02 #
In general, Jane's naivety is surprising. She seems to be in the same circles, she has her own dealer who sells her heroin. Didn't she realize that threatening and blackmailing a drug dealer was a very bad idea? Has she never heard stories of violence? Jesse had just recently been crying to her that a Combo friend had been dumped on someone else's territory. This business is made on blood, and everyone involved in it is all thugs, but not Walter White, right? Walter is God's dandelion, a schoolteacher, and he cooks meth purely as a hobby. He can be lowered and intimidated. And the person who brings you half a million dollars in cash, of course, he can't wake up in the morning and think: "What the fuck are my problems with this drug addict? I'll hire some sicarios, and she'll be stabbed tomorrow in the alley.
Apparently, the drugs have completely baked her brain, and she hasn't reached such conclusions.

Well, who was struck by the cruelty of Walt's act in the end — guys, you just remember that he strangled Crazy-8 with his own hands in the basement. This is not leaving you in danger, not even a shot where you pulled the trigger and the gun did everything for you. He strangled for a long time, persistently, until Crazy's eyes were bloodshot and he gurgled and grunted. And before that, they had a nice heart-to-heart talk, shared stories about the family. Krazy was the first person to find out about Walt's cancer. That was the cruelest thing to do. That's where Walt suppressed the human in himself.
And Jane was disgusting to him and, according to Walt's logic, drove herself to her grave. It was just a convenient combination of circumstances, he didn't even have to do anything.
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