s01e04 — His Majesty, The King

Name: The Tudors: Season 1, Episode 4 - His Majesty, The King
Genre: Drama, History
Released: 2007-04-22
Rating: 4.473
Cast: Jonathan Rhys Meyers, Henry Cavill, Sarah Bolger, Max Brown, David O'Hara

The Tudors — s01e04 — His Majesty, The King

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Runtime:	53 min.
Release Date:	22.04.2007^{23.04.2007 01:00}
Watched by:	24 428^57.38%

Discussion: Season 1, Episode 4
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samural

02 Apr 2015, 18:48 #

As soon as I found out that the series was American, not English, I realized that they would lie. But that much?! But people will now be sure that Marguerite Tudor strangled the Portuguese king with a pillow the day after the wedding. And they didn't even know each other. Eh! But the real story is so interesting that you don't need to invent anything.

dariola

05 Apr 2015, 23:28 #

@samural: If you find fault with historical improbability, nothing can be removed. It's extremely difficult to cram all the lines and details into the series. Henry was older when he started a divorce (Rhys-Davis looks very young), he had two sisters, and Margaret was the Scottish queen by her first marriage, and then married English nobles twice; and Mary, the second sister of Henry VIII, was first the French queen (the king died of old age), and then the wife of Charles Brandon, 1st Duke of Suffolk. Moreover, for Brandon himself, this was his third marriage, and he already had two daughters (judging by the film, it was the first marriage in which 1 son was born, although actually Maria Tudor gave birth to four).
The king's illegitimate son by Lady Blunt did not die in childhood from sweating, as shown in the series, but at the age of 17, having already married, from consumption.
Wolsey died of a serious illness, not suicide.
And there are also a number of inaccuracies from the category of "who is who", who crowned the king, who died when (for example, in the series Brandon participates in a meeting of parliament, which actually took place after his death) and similar discrepancies. After all, the series is not a documentary. Anyone who is interested will look for information.

samural

06 Apr 2015, 00:33 #

@dariola: Well, there must be some boundaries. After all, without Marguerite's marriage to the King of Scotland, it is unclear who the Stuarts are and how they crawled onto the English throne. And the adoration of the foreign queen by the common English people is just nonsense. A close example is how the Russian people "loved" the German wife of Nicholas II, or the French the Italian queen of the Medici family.

dariola

07 Apr 2015, 00:27 #

@samural: Alexandra Feodorovna was not loved because a) she was the only one of the brides who had already married the emperor, and not the grand duke - she simply had less time; b) she had a difficult character + she was almost completely isolated from social life - even the courtiers did not know her; But Elizabeth Alekseevna, for example, the wife of Alexander I, was loved.
By the way, where is the foreign queen's adoration in the series?

dariola

07 Apr 2015, 00:28 #

@dariola:

SpiralCode

22 Aug 2015, 17:22 #

@dariola: after your words, the opening, in which they say that "this is how it really happened," looks even funnier.)

dariola

07 Apr 2015, 00:29 #

And there was no mention of the Stuarts in the series at all - it's about the Tudors in general and Henry the 8th in particular. It's still a long time from his death to the Stuarts.

samural

07 Apr 2015, 10:32 #

I agree. I haven't watched it yet, but it seems the series should have been called Henry VIII. It would be more logical.

KaterinaVoyler

20 Sep 2018, 23:39 #

And what is the sister of the king of France doing at the English court???
The comedy with Marguerite's wedding is already too much - her Brandon deflowers right on the ship, then she faints when she sees her future husband, then she walks down the aisle with tears in her eyes. And the icing on the cake is suffocation with a pillow.
Henry showed off so well in front of the boys)

alyan

02 Mar 2019, 02:06 #

The episode was funny. Henry was really boastful to the point where he was upside down. It was funny with his sister, too.
But I didn't understand why Henry had bile. Because he fell into a puddle?

Ryouchi

01 Apr 2019, 02:20 #

@alyan: It was just that medicine was so advanced that bile was the only diagnosis, and bloodletting was the cure for all ills. 😅

Annie10792

06 Dec 2019, 04:00 #

In my opinion, the series lacks a soul... Or rather, all his heroes. Let me explain: maybe I'm too naive, but in such a series, filmed about a time that, despite mundane assurances to the contrary, we consider to be a very romantic period of history, we want to see love. At least somewhere, at least in someone, at least to someone, I don't care if it's the love of a man and a woman (and not just a soulless fuck of anyone on a ship or on land), father to daughter (and not just "when the king is already there, fuck the second of my daughters, so that we've become even richer again, otherwise we won't get drunk"), friend to friend (and not just "oh, you were made a duke, but why only you, and not us?" or "oh, they give me a title, and why do they give it to you too?")... I understand that it's important to know, they've always been incredibly cynical, and even more so in those days, but still there must be at least something human in them! At least some warmth, at least some sincere affection and care for another being! But here there is practically none of this, and therefore you don't even worry about the heroes, only lust and ambition are visible! Both of these qualities add spice to the hero, but only when they act as a seasoning rather than a main dish. That shouldn't be the main thing! A person, even the most superficial, cannot consist solely of ambition and striking, I'm sorry, b...a. I hope they will write down at least some sincere feeling later (king+Anne Boleyn doesn't count at all, it's not love, not for any of them)...

dariola

11 Sep 2020, 01:28 #

@Annie10792: I don't remember which episode it was in... There will be (at least initially) the love of Brandon and his wife (the second in the series); there will be the love of Henry and Jane; there is a warm relationship in the family of Thomas More. I don't remember it offhand anymore, I've been watching the series for a long time.

LL345

21 Jul 2020, 01:13 #

Strangling the King of Portugal before everything dragged on too long was a very correct and timely decision.
And if we talk about love, then so far the only one who really loves someone here. So this is Henry's queen..