The way Cromwell ascended to his post, what methods he used, how he manipulated the king, changed his faith - caused unpleasant feelings towards him. But gradually, the creators of the series forced him to feel even emotions for him, and in the last episodes he became very sorry. His words that it is possible to turn to the Lord at any hour that pleases us, and not only in church, that the Lord lives in the soul of every person; his attitude towards his son, joy for his grandson - all this disposes to the hero. I feel sorry for him. A difficult series. All those who are greatly in Henry's esteem at one time die miserably afterwards. His cruelty knows no bounds.
Damn, I feel terribly sorry for Cromwell. He became one of my favorite characters, after all. And how his head was chopped off is just a nightmare. Charles and Francis are some assholes.
Henry's new passion is some kind of slut. Enrages.
@vk459618: I think her cruelty is just beginning to take shape in the future. She has already experienced so much, so many betrayals and bullying. And her hatred of Protestantism probably came from Anne Boleyn, who took everything from her mother and herself.
What a fool Henry's new woman is! and how exactly his nature is shown - he fell for it, forgot everything, turned off his brain. Nevertheless, there was something special about the first three wives, in each - Catherine was stately, devoted, loving. Boleyn is tempting, domineering. Seymour is chaste, gentle, pure. And here's some giggling fool.
@Indriblets: And I really want to hope for a replacement for this new fool, as it was with Seymour: I didn't like the first terribly, and the second turned out to be just a charmer. So here - this idiot well, I don't like it at all, even if they had already chosen a very beautiful girl, there are even better ladies-in-waiting.
@080585: Tamzin Merchant is very beautiful, I was fascinated by her at Salem, and then I was glad to see her at Carnival Row and finally I waited for her at the Tudors. The final scene where she is naked on a swing is just chic!!
@Indriblets: And why compare Catherine to queens? She is not a queen (perhaps, for now, I study history on TV series). It is better to compare her so far with the king's mistresses/ concubines, with the same Lady Misseldon.
Mixed feelings are such from the series. In principle, I never liked Cromwell, because he was always shown to be an arrogant manipulator. And when everything led to his death, it was not even a pity. And suddenly, literally in the last episode, humanity is thrown at him, they say, and the father is good, and there is faith (only not related to religion), and in general a good man, what are you. Well, no, you can't do that. For 2.5 seasons, he is shown as an asshole, and at the end he is made positive so that death causes shock. I disagree about the attacks on Charles - they never liked each other, but Charles always played fair. Until Charles had to kill a lot of people (including children) with his own hands, largely because of Cromwell. So I understand him perfectly. But Sir Brian is a wild asshole... To get the executioner drunk so that the condemned to death would also suffer is very cruel. Catherine Howard is at least some kind with a twist, unlike Anna nirybanimyaso of Cleves. Yes, and Tamzin Merchant has an unusual appearance, but she is still prettier than Joss Stone in my opinion.
I am very sorry for Mr. Cromwell. First Cardinal Wolsey, now him. Now there are no more adequats left in season 4. It's nice to know that Edward Seymour will be executed on the same hill as Cromwell, on charges of treason. I wish I could see it in the series!
Hospade, Catherine Howard is constantly giggling nastily, it's so annoying Captain Hook is so soft! (I hope there are more fans here Once in a fairy tale))
Lambeth Palace is so small, really just a house. And how did the whole brood of Howard's youngsters fit in there? To some extent, I feel sorry for Cromwell, although if we recall what was allegedly done by the hands of the Reformation... And yet, a terrible death.
@illseethese: It changed hands several times until it eventually went to the Countess of Castlemaine, who later demolished it and sold off building materials to pay off her gambling debts.
Charles has been annoying me since the first seasons. At first, he hung himself on every skirt and didn't even notice how sick his first wife was. Then more than once he schemed against people he didn't like - Anne Boleyn, Wolsey, and now Cromwell were executed not without his participation.
Even his wife can no longer look at him, because of his political intrigues. Did Cromwell force him to execute thousands of innocent people?? Firstly, it was Henry's order. Secondly, he could have refused and not taken the blame, but preferred to save his own skin.
And someone else writes here that he is a positive character. An arrogant schemer, that's who he is and I hope that he will suffer the same fate as the victims of his intrigues
I felt sorry for Cromwell to tears (Yes, he is a very ambiguous character, but somehow it was clear that he was doing everything for the sake of the king and the country. Such a painful execution ((( Henry doesn't learn anything from life at all
I don't understand why everyone feels sorry for Cromwell. He really acted self-confidently and cruelly, with the same Charles, ordering people to be killed. What did you expect to get from him, if not an enemy in his person? The king's new chosen one is disgusting! Why does he tend to choose plain prostitutes
Why do you feel sorry for negative characters the most? How do they do it? Boleyn was executed, I wept. Now Cromwell. I never thought that his death would cause so much pity. The strongest series. Well, the execution of Pestilence, of course. But I feel sorry for Cromwell. The gorgeous actor who played him is an amazing role. At first it got boring without Volsey, now Cromwell is gone. It remains to watch and make fun of the king and his choice of the next lady. Catherine's eye twitches.
Surprisingly.. How can you play so beautifully? The character (Cromwell), whom you hate so fiercely throughout his entire presence, begins to cause pity. You try to put it out, because he's a scoundrel.. but the actor's acting!!! Unless you're holding back tears, still remembering the sins of his character
Moreover. We all know perfectly well that there are hundreds and thousands of examples when reformers are considered cruel and hated during their lifetime, but they are the ones who build empires. You realize this only in this episode. A man who was nobody, went over the heads (even of the one who brought him out of the shadows), achieved great things not only for himself, but also for the country, determined the course of the history of the whole state. And what is the result? Like all reformers, he turned out to be the one to blame for everything
Thomas Cromwell... from the lowest to almost the highest title (Not counting the King) and to die such a painful death, he did a lot and stole behind the King's back..
Charles is such a close friend of the king, but he decided to put a prostitute under her and he really shouldn't have done it! Still, we know who Catherine Howard is, even her behavior says it all, and the king fell for her so easily. Cromwell was dealt with harshly, but he himself did the same to More and co. But one-eye is very annoying, and he also continues
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38His words that it is possible to turn to the Lord at any hour that pleases us, and not only in church, that the Lord lives in the soul of every person; his attitude towards his son, joy for his grandson - all this disposes to the hero.
I feel sorry for him. A difficult series.
All those who are greatly in Henry's esteem at one time die miserably afterwards. His cruelty knows no bounds.
Is Suffolk next?
He became one of my favorite characters, after all.
And how his head was chopped off is just a nightmare. Charles and Francis are some assholes.
Henry's new passion is some kind of slut. Enrages.
I disagree about the attacks on Charles - they never liked each other, but Charles always played fair. Until Charles had to kill a lot of people (including children) with his own hands, largely because of Cromwell. So I understand him perfectly.
But Sir Brian is a wild asshole... To get the executioner drunk so that the condemned to death would also suffer is very cruel.
Catherine Howard is at least some kind with a twist, unlike Anna nirybanimyaso of Cleves. Yes, and Tamzin Merchant has an unusual appearance, but she is still prettier than Joss Stone in my opinion.
Captain Hook is so soft! (I hope there are more fans here Once in a fairy tale))
To some extent, I feel sorry for Cromwell, although if we recall what was allegedly done by the hands of the Reformation... And yet, a terrible death.
But this series and the whole Cromwell story just broke platinum. I felt terribly sorry for him
Then more than once he schemed against people he didn't like - Anne Boleyn, Wolsey, and now Cromwell were executed not without his participation.
Even his wife can no longer look at him, because of his political intrigues.
Did Cromwell force him to execute thousands of innocent people?? Firstly, it was Henry's order. Secondly, he could have refused and not taken the blame, but preferred to save his own skin.
And someone else writes here that he is a positive character. An arrogant schemer, that's who he is and I hope that he will suffer the same fate as the victims of his intrigues
Henry doesn't learn anything from life at all
It remains to watch and make fun of the king and his choice of the next lady. Catherine's eye twitches.