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The Spirit of the Age: 7 credible historical TV series

08 Nov
Toshyak
History shows are rarely accurate: authors often neglect facts in favor of fictional events to make the plot more interesting and dramatic. But sometimes history doesn't need to be embellished. We tell you about seven TV series, whose creators have chosen in favor of authenticity.
A still from "Wolf Hall."

"Chernobyl"

Drama, historical | 4.72 out of 5 on MyShows | 1 season | 2019

кадр из сериала «Чернобыль»

In April 1986, the Unit 4 reactor at the Chernobyl nuclear power plant exploded. The series "Chernobyl" is a story about the accident, its aftermath, and how the true causes of the incident were hidden and how one man fought to uncover them.

"'Chernobyl' is a series about people. About people who lived peacefully and happily in a young and bright town, who did not even think about the disaster and its consequences. It seems that the authors put another great truth into the series. One can draw a parallel to what is happening today. Scientists are sounding the alarm, and humanity continues to destroy the planet more and more for its own interests. I would like to believe that because of misunderstandings between people it will be possible to avoid the destruction of all life on Earth", — Glass.

"A wonderful, powerful and scary series. Many thanks to the entire team, who - it shows! - has worked very carefully and respectfully on the series. Thank you to the screenwriter, who rekindled interest in the painful topic of Chernobyl. Thank you to the terrific actors who really got into character. Thank you to the director, production designer and numerous consultants who were able to create such a stunningly authentic atmosphere. And special thanks to Hildur Gudnadottir for a soundtrack of inhuman power and horror. Thank you for reminding us about the disaster in Chernobyl and the people who, sometimes at the cost of their lives, eliminated the consequences of this catastrophe" - rony-robber.

"I can't even say anything, there is a lump in my throat after the final shots. Perhaps, it is really one of the best series ever created", — floureed.

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"Hatfields & McCoys"

Drama, romance, western | 4.2 out of 5 on MyShows | 1 season | 2012

кадр из сериала «Хэтфилды и МакКои»

The series tells the story of a feud that nearly led to war between the states of Kentucky and West Virginia. Anse Hatfield, nicknamed the Devil, and Randall McCoy were close friends until the end of the Civil War, after which both returned to their homes, Hatfield to West Virginia and McCoy to Kentucky. That's when gradually growing tensions and misunderstandings begin to lead to the very real war between the Hatfield and McCoy clans. Their feud makes international headlines, the governors of their states quarrel, and finally the U.S. Supreme Court intervenes.

"Great series! Excellent historical drama, I watched all 3 episodes in one sitting. Very well conveyed the atmosphere of that time era", — drumoff_k.

"Very much liked this series. Short, but eventful with enough revealed characters. It's interesting to see how pitting grudges and misunderstandings led to irreconcilable feuds, murders, blood feuds. People abandoned their principles for revenge. Meaningless. Even when everyone begins to realize that no one needs it, they continue to feud. It's very interesting", — skairas.

"It's an interesting series, in terms of American folklore, and in terms of this whole village life. Here's your family, and it's a fairly hostile world around you. Is it possible for a loner to survive in it? Day labor, choosing jobs between a shovel and a carbine", — Citokos.

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"Wolf Hall"

Drama, historical | 3.89 out of 5 on MyShows | 1 season | 2015

Кадр из сериала «Волчий зал»

England in the late 1520s. Ambitious lawyer Thomas Cromwell finds himself at the epicenter of intrigue and treachery in the court of King Henry VIII. Born into the family of a humble blacksmith, Cromwell manages to become the chief advisor to the king, who is still unable to produce a male heir. Because of this, Henry wants to annul his twenty-year marriage to Catharine of Spain and marry Anne Boleyn, which is opposed by the Pope and almost all of Europe. What will Cromwell do?

"A beautifully crafted series with excellent detail that lends itself to quiet realism. The protagonist turns his silence into a mirror that allows us to examine the era and its mores", — derxot.

"Fascinating. Since it turns out there are three books [on which the series is based - note], now I want to read them to find out the ending. But I understand why the series ended at that point. They wanted to show Anna's story specifically, so they did. But the series, my goodness. Probably the best historical I've seen", —  SpringSpark.

"As someone who is interested in the personality of Henry VIII and the Tudor era, I really enjoyed this series. A different look at Henry and his wives through the eyes of Thomas Cromwell, the most controversial character in English history. Unlike the same Tudors, this series doesn't evoke a sense of Spanish shame, and Damian Lewis really looks like Henry. There are no complaints about the other actors either. The series looks very organic", — Sprat.

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"Band of Brothers"

Drama, action, military | 4.58 out of 5 on MyShows | 1 season | 2001

кадр из сериала «Братья по оружию»

The story of Easy, 506th Regiment, 101st Airborne Division, U.S. Army, from their first training in 1942 to the end of World War II. The young paratroopers face the horrors of war by participating in many legendary battles: they landed in Normandy, participated in Operation Market Garden, liberated a concentration camp, and were the first to enter Hitler's mountain hideout in Bavaria.

"The series is really strong. I cried at the end. The afterword of the participants is just gorgeous. I think it's the best war series, although I'm not an expert in them. HBO are just good", — uaSolare.

"Great series. I highly recommend the seriesThe Pacific (The Pacific). Same time, same war, same young guys, same drama. Other actors, other enemies, other conditions, other side of the world. Everyone who liked "Brothers in Arms" will also like "The Pacific". Who watched the last episode (Points) carefully, could notice that in one of the episodes the veterans watched a documentary about the Pacific Ocean. After watching the series I recommend, you begin to perceive this episode in a different way", — fcktoreal.

"Legendary series, I always cry at the end. Lewis Nixon, Carwood Lipton, and David Kenyon Webster are my favorites. The cast is amazing - so many wonderful actors, even in minor roles", — id440426744.

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"Isabel"

Drama, historical | 3.91 out of 5 on MyShows | 3 seasons | 2012—2014

кадр из сериала «Изабелла»

The series follows the life of Isabella I, Queen of Castile, who brought prosperity to Spain and promoted geographic discovery, but also drenched the country in blood by persecuting heretics. The show's writers explore how Isabella's character was formed and the hardships she went through to become one of the most memorable rulers in history.

"It's still such a shame to part with them all. You get so used to the characters over three seasons and unconventionally long episodes. And it's a pity that everything ended this way, and what happened next was not shown to us", — ajcrvr.

"A wonderful historical series! The only minus is that the series go on 1.5 hours, very dragged out", — yanaempress.

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"Mad Men"

Drama | 4.09 out of 5 on MyShows | 7 seasons | 2007—2015

кадр из сериала «Безумцы»

New York City in the '60s. The series is about the Sterling Cooper advertising agency and its creative director, Don Draper, who stays in a coveted position thanks to his sophistication and talent. From the outside, he looks like a happy father and husband to a beautiful former model. However, Don is not at all who he seems to be.

"The first seasons, to be honest, did not immediately pull in so much, watched, I admit, a little background, but also Of course, I'm sure I can find something to pick on in terms of character lines, but why? Mad Men, which the further you go, the harder it is to tear yourself away from, is so layered and alive that it makes no sense: everything here is brilliant, everything here breathes and speaks, and the understatement fits quite well. Greatest elaboration of the nuanced embodiment of the period, terrific characters where essentially we're only watching them interact throughout the seasons, and terrific stories from each of them in particular. A total pleasure", — Bullseye0901.

"It was very, very interesting to watch life in the 50s and 60s in America: the Kennedy assassination (both of them), the "moon landing", the assassination of M. L. King, the Vietnam War, etc. The way housewives and those girls who worked lived. What freedom and privileges men enjoyed... It was extremely interesting to see. Thank you to the creators", — NataliaDavydova.

"I watched the series so long ago that today it is more relevant than 7 years ago. A beautiful masterpiece, from start to finish and completed. Everything is very logical, beautiful and clear", — januarism.

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"The Crown"

Drama, historical | 4.55 out of 5 on MyShows | 6 seasons | 2016—...

кадр из сериала «Корона»

The Crown series follows the life and reign of Queen Elizabeth II: from her marriage in 1947 to the early 21st century. Every two seasons, the actress playing the British monarch changes, as the character gets older: for example, first Elizabeth was played by Claire Foy, then Olivia Colman, and in the last parts of her role is played by Imelda Staunton.

"Terrific series, perfectly opens a person's eyes to the complexity of the situation of people of the royal family, who themselves did not choose such a fate, that this is not a beautiful fairy tale life, but a life deprived of almost freedom of choice, andeveryone in this family has to sacrifice everything for the sake of the country, so I think to some extent they are dreaming of an ordinary human life; literally opened the curtain of the life they actually live", — micinakr.

"I put this series off for a really long time because I knew it would be something really worthwhile. And so I fell out of life for a week - I couldn't tear myself away. My husband was watching it in bits and pieces, started reading wikipedia - and I told him: "Don't spoiler!!!". Of course, something I knew, but it was still very interesting", — damoritat.

"Terrific series. I was far from the royal family, well there is and there is, but to go so deep into history, with such amazing actors, against the background of historical events, just wow!" — marinagee.

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Bart182
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08 Nov 2023, 06:23 #
And the first in the list is "Chernobyl" ...
I do not argue, this series is gorgeous, the best about the accident at the Chernobyl nuclear power plant, but there are many different inaccuracies and fictions in it - after all, this is an art series.
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Пакетик_чая
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09 Nov 2023, 07:26 #
@Bart182: any TV series is artistic. And there may be fiction in it.
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Bart182
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09 Nov 2023, 07:33 #
@Paketik_chaya: yes, but this selection is positioned as reliable:
"Historical shows are rarely accurate: authors often neglect facts in favor of fictional events to make the plot more interesting and dramatic. But sometimes the story doesn't need to be embellished. We are talking about seven series, the creators of which made a choice in favor of authenticity."

And the first one on the list is Chernobyl. After that, it is very difficult to take this collection seriously, although all the presented series are very good, and they can be safely recommended for viewing.
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09 Nov 2023, 07:38 #
@Bart182: well, that is, no one promised, judging by your quote, full compliance with the facts.
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Bart182
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09 Nov 2023, 07:49 #
@Paketik_chaya: I am reading the first paragraph of the article (which I quoted above) and I get the impression that unlike other historical series, the authors of the series presented in the article did not invent anything to make the plot more interesting and dramatic.
And then I immediately see "Chernobyl", in which a lot of things were added\ removed \ changed just to create interest and drama.
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09 Nov 2023, 07:53 #
@Bart182: well, damn, this is an old song about the discrepancy between expectation and reality.
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Irena_Turner
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09 Nov 2023, 21:01 #
@Bart182: my guess is that the authenticity in this collection implies an emphasis on non-fictional stories. Not that any little things were accurate, but the immediate fact of this or that event was reliable. The same Chernobyl quite closely told the immediate fact of the accident and the fight against it in the aftermath. What we focus on is that many, especially foreigners, will not remember the names of the heroes and if there are a lot of them they will simply get lost - so they made, for example, a collective image in one character. Did it somehow affect the development of the historical event? In general, no)

As well as other series from the selection. Especially about the authenticity in the TV series about kings and queens it is not necessary to talk) Fact - Isabella was the queen of Castile, persecuted heretics. Do we know for sure about her personal problems and difficulties? No. But this does not prevent us from looking at the assumptions that are hidden behind the facts in the series)
I hope you caught my thought))
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Gordey
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08 Nov 2023, 06:32 #
Are you kidding me?! Chernobyl is a completely fantastic series, even if it was shot very qualitatively! Such a sprawling cranberry can only be found in Alexievich's book!! By the way, the series is based on it, almost one-on-one!

"Pashka was looking for the very middle ground between truth and falsehood, which he could believe himself. Drlm if you don't believe yourself, how will you convince others?" (c) Kir Bulychev - "Prisoners of Yamagiri-Maru"
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deeniks
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08 Nov 2023, 08:00 #
Lol, I guessed that the list would be so-so. But Chernobyl should be put right first. 🤣
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herissonance
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08 Nov 2023, 09:18 #
"Historical" and "authentic" are two terms that will never correlate together. To rely on documents of that time, which could and can be falsified, or on private stories of people, is stupidity, which makes it impossible to think critically. Even now, during the wars, each side presents its own truth and its own history, and the opposite truly believes that the former are wrong, and they are right. A person simply chooses the side that, according to his beliefs, is more plausible and co-dependent on identical interests.
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apollo_2001
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08 Nov 2023, 09:36 #
Guys, you're smothering something. It is clear that Chernobyl is not 100% reliable, but a feature film/TV series will never be super accurate in facts. And as a series BASED on real events, Chernobyl is undoubtedly one of the best.
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Дауншифтер495
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08 Nov 2023, 11:02 #
@apolllo_2001: headline reread AUTHENTIC historical series, not BASED on real events
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08 Nov 2023, 11:32 #
And what would you suggest RELIABLE historical series in this case? The Chernobyl series, in my opinion, conveyed the spirit of the era very well and is certainly not a fantastic series, as some people write about it.
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Дауншифтер495
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08 Nov 2023, 12:09 #
@apollo_2001: what can you talk about with a person who only refers to the spirit of the epoch as authenticity...
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apollo_2001
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08 Nov 2023, 12:22 #
Well, the title indicates the spirit of the era first of all, and the authenticity does not mean documentary, but the authenticity of the transmission of the mood of the era.
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apollo_2001
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08 Nov 2023, 12:25 #
And immediately blocked it) Well, that's right, we will not come to a compromise! It's just that my message is that the community often criticizes the MyShows team from scratch. The selection is interesting because it turned out, but the "experts", as always, crushed it)
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Gordey
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08 Nov 2023, 13:16 #
@apolllo_2001: You didn't ask me, but I will answer: There are no RELIABLE historical ART series. Any work of fiction is based on the author's conjectures and his position on any events. But there are historical series that are full of blunders, and just Chernobyl is one of them. This is just the last century, eyewitnesses of the events are still alive, there are a lot of documents, but the creators of the series were not interested in it all! It was necessary to remove the propaganda about the bad USSR - and they did it!
It is clear that there is no "spirit of the epoch ", there is a VISION by the authors of this very "spirit ", which they successfully put in the heads of those born in this century with a beautiful picture.
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br1ella
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08 Nov 2023, 14:02 #
@Gordey: When they talk about the reliability of the hood. historical shows, a priori speak about the transmitted spirit of the era, then how much is it believed that the action takes place at that time.
For factual authenticity, go to the documentary genre. Well, if you study history according to the worst works, then who is to blame for you.
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Gordey
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08 Nov 2023, 14:09 #
@br1ella: Pure taste. You believe it, but I don't believe it. But we both didn't live in the XIX century, so it's very subjective. Hence the Negroes in Gascony "convey the spirit of authenticity" to the teenage generation of the ignorant.
When I see naked Tula sea miners in the TV series Chernobyl, I don't have any association with reliability anywhere. And it is not I who am studying the history of art works, but those who consider Chernobyl and similar series to be the truest truth - do not confuse
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br1ella
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08 Nov 2023, 14:29 #
@Gordey: Naturally it will be different for everyone, that's why it's the worst genre. Personally, I, whose childhood was spent in the Union, really believe it. Yes, something is knocked out, but in general it is quite.
And let's not talk about who puts who when and what in their head, there have always been fools, so now don't shoot a movie (a rhetorical question)
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Gordey
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08 Nov 2023, 15:12 #
@br1ella: And my childhood was spent in the last century, and even in several cities, so there is something to compare with. And it's not " something " that gets knocked out in the series, but a lot, rather it's hits in that era that are rare there, that's why they are remembered. In fact, it's like with horoscopes, when a person reads it and if one out of five matches, then he is like this right away" Oh! How it is written about me!". The simplest manipulation, which many, alas, are being conducted.
Well, what is the rhetorical question to answer?! I generally think that patriotic movies should be shot, but besides that, you should also be able to shoot it (as well as propaganda, of course) :)))
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ДримТим
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08 Nov 2023, 15:57 #
@apolllo_2001: does the word "facts" mean anything to you? It feels like people can't even understand what they've read, but they're arguing. Or have you managed to read about visual and paraphernalia there somewhere?
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apollo_2001
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08 Nov 2023, 16:51 #
We didn't switch to you) According to the facts, only documentaries are filmed, it's already clear. Here, of course, we are talking about the screening of historical events (for example, not like in the same Great One, where historicity was scored as much as possible, but there it is not needed). Naturally, the degree of accuracy in the facts (and even in some basic points) will not be the maximum. This is a selection, simply put, of beautiful and high-quality artistic historical series, and you are hooked on this authenticity)
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apollo_2001
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08 Nov 2023, 16:56 #
And this is not a dispute, everyone just expresses their point of view here) I spoke in defense of the creator of this news, that such a selection takes place)
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09 Nov 2023, 07:29 #
@Downshifter495: Then why is there anything on the list at all? I believe that a reliable series is the one that was filmed live. They filmed real personalities in real time. Authentic is when the event itself was filmed, not its history.
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Gordey
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09 Nov 2023, 07:51 #
@Paketik_chaya: And this, by the way, is a common problem now. Many people use words whose meaning they either do not understand at all, or imagine very vaguely. So it turns out that the author thought one thing, but in the end he said something completely different. Or he's just dumb :)
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Кукабара
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09 Nov 2023, 16:44 #
@br1ella: Windows, plastic windows there convey the spirit of the era 100%. Haven't you noticed?
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09 Nov 2023, 18:07 #
@Kookabara: yes, it is on the windows that everything is kept in any series about the past
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Кукабара
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09 Nov 2023, 18:18 #
@Paketik_chaya: well, I remember the windows very well. Although how long has it been? Three, four years?
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09 Nov 2023, 18:44 #
@Kookaburra: Yes. And although the windows are not the main thing.
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Irena_Turner
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09 Nov 2023, 21:10 #
@apollo_2001: I totally agree with you! I wanted to put a dislike Down...something turned out to be there and I was also blocked. Although I didn't know about it, but he puts a dislike on all my comments ahah
An infusoria who lives in her own world and refuses to accept constructive argumentation and someone else's opinion)
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Дауншифтер495
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08 Nov 2023, 11:03 #
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maybemaxim
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08 Nov 2023, 13:18 #
Where Is The "Great" One I'm asking you️ ️
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apollo_2001
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08 Nov 2023, 13:21 #
Chernobyl was pecked here, and you write about the Great One 😂
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Пакетик_чая
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09 Nov 2023, 07:31 #
@maybemaxim: and I'm not happy with the lack of a Magnificent Century😂
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Candramelekh
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08 Nov 2023, 16:25 #
Reliable historical series and the first in the list is Chernobyl;
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09 Nov 2023, 07:32 #
@Candramelekh: Authentic does not mean documentary.
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Gordey
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09 Nov 2023, 07:51 #
@Paketik_chaya: And what then?
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Пакетик_чая
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09 Nov 2023, 07:54 #
@Gordey: Good question. I think, then, reliable should not be used as a word
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Gordey
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09 Nov 2023, 07:56 #
@Paketik_chaya: The offer is accepted!
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Пакетик_чая
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09 Nov 2023, 08:12 #
@Gordey: Dahl is not the author of the article
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TaVa2002
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08 Nov 2023, 18:05 #
Brothers in arms is a heavy, but worthy and large-scale series that really shows the war plausibly as it is, I recommend it to everyone :)
There is also the Pacific Ocean, also associated with World War II
Chernobyl and the Crown are also some of the best TV series based on real events
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zhosman-kinoman
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09 Nov 2023, 00:36 #
Noted for myself: The Hettfields and the McCoys and the Wolf Hall 👌🏽
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PinochetM
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09 Nov 2023, 05:07 #
I didn't watch anything else besides Chernobyl. Who needs a documentary - it's not for the artist. I don't see the point, to perceive everything on " serious topics ", I always study the facts before / on time / after viewing. And the most important eyewitnesses, have not been in this world for a long time, the rest is so logically clear.
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09 Nov 2023, 13:13 #
I would also add <<The son of the father of the people>> https://myshows.me/view/40598/
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Irena_Turner
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09 Nov 2023, 21:05 #
Comrades, we are watching a selection of ART SERIES ON HISTORICAL EVENTS.
What are you talking about?))

Admins make a selection for showers with DOCUMENTARY series))
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Gordey
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10 Nov 2023, 06:29 #
@Irena_Turner: I explain once again: The author of the article used the word "authenticity" in the text, thereby highlighting these series as the closest to reality than the others, which are also stated to be based on real events. The series Chernobyl is a purely fantastic series, since only the fact of the explosion at the Chernobyl nuclear power plant is reliable in it, and the rest is the fiction of the screenwriters. That's all.
The outrage was caused by the inappropriate use of the term, no more.
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Irena_Turner
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10 Nov 2023, 12:16 #
@Gordey: You yourself emphasized the phrase "closest to reality". Chernobyl describes a credible event (the Chernobyl accident) and the credible consequences of this tragedy (attempts to conceal the scale of the accident, for example, and the spread of radiation further). Does any native change the reliability of the accident against the background? No. Does it change the outcome of the accident that in fact there were many scientists, and in the series 1 character was shown as a collective image? No.
Like all other historical series. Do you really believe that in "Crown " all these events took place behind closed doors? And about Henry or Isabella, who were half a millennium ago? There are only facts there - he is the king, she is the queen. Ruled for so many years. The facts are over.

All historical hood. serials have some one or two facts, the rest is all the speculation of the writers. That's why they are works of art and NOT documentary series.
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Gordey
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10 Nov 2023, 12:30 #
@Irena_Turner: It's not me, but the author of the news.
Chernobyl does not describe events, but simply makes assumptions about what happened based on the fact. The fact is the explosion at the Chernobyl nuclear power plant. Everything else is speculation and fiction. Including the alleged "authentic" struggle. And for some reason you still can't figure out the terms in any way..

You see, you were born - this is a fact, and then I can come up with anything about you, because it will be a work of art! Tell me, will you be satisfied with such "reliability "?
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Irena_Turner
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10 Nov 2023, 12:40 #
@Gordey: I agree, the author chose the wrong word. But you, as a reasonable person, probably guess that in general "reliable" in the context of "hood. the series" looks like an attempt for more clickability of the news.

Still, at the expense of Chernobyl, you are overreacting, I was in Chernobyl as an official tourist on an excursion and there are speculations in the series, but there are not as many of them as you are trying to present.

If you want to shoot a work of art, I will comment that this is how you see it and ask what you based your assumptions on. Or as a royal family, I will refrain from commenting at all))
And if you want to shoot a documentary (!) movie or a TV series - then I will already begin to arise that everything is a lie)))
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Gordey
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10 Nov 2023, 12:54 #
@Irena_Turner: That's exactly what I'm talking about - the word was chosen incorrectly!

If I overdo it, then just a little. It is enough that they invented at least a dozen significant events, truthfully showing insignificant trifles for greater reliability. I have already written to another user that there is a simple manipulation here, like with horoscopes, but it is really effective.

What kind of documentary? I immediately wrote - artistic! So I can twist facts, rearrange them in places by time, invent some at all, because it's all just an artistic assumption! As an Estonian basketball player, an ardent communist in the movie "Upward Movement" was made an anti-Soviet and almost a traitor to the Motherland! Well, what?! It's a feature film, yeah
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10 Nov 2023, 13:02 #
@Gordey: It confuses me more that everyone is clinging to Chernobyl, although it is the MOST reliable of this whole collection, no matter how paradoxical it may sound, the only difference is that we can check the inaccuracies and compare the described event, and in other cases (the further into history) then less that can be checked.

I think that's exactly what those who create the worst films are doing) for the "artistic context " exaggerate, escalate more drama, etc. Who is interested in watching a dry story?) More precisely, those who are interested are looking for a documentary right away or just go to read scientific articles...

Once you are already wound up, is there at least one "authentic" art series for you?))
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10 Nov 2023, 13:25 #
@Irena_Turner: Exactly! It is already difficult to check the series on the events of even the XIX century, but the Chernobyl disaster is easy! And what are you based on when you say that he is the MOST reliable, if not a secret? Based on the guide's story from a tourist trip?

I'm not against exaggerations and forcing drama, but if you shoot based on real events, you still need to stick to the basic facts, and not make some of the key characters black or, as in the case of Chernobyl, too young. And most people don't care about what happened in the Middle Ages! But Chernobyl is a tragedy! And many are familiar with this tragedy firsthand. Do you think they are pleased when they are blatantly lying about them and these events, passing everything off as declassified archival data?!

No, there are no such things in principle. No movies, no TV shows. If the work is artistic, it is no longer authentic. But if the authors try to stick to the facts, inventing only character dialogues, then this one can be called more reliable than those where just one fact is taken as a basis, and all other events are fiction. This did not happen with Chernobyl.
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10 Nov 2023, 14:31 #
@Gordey: please read the full sentence. I'm talking about the fact that specifically in this collection he is the most reliable. The rest are even less reliable. Based on eyewitness accounts, scientific articles and historians who have studied this period of time in detail. By the way, the guide was excellent and shared good sources, for those who came not just to take a walk, but to broaden their horizons and get acquainted with the tragedy in more detail.

The main facts - adhered to, and you about the age of Shchadov - honestly? In general, it does not change the essence of the story in any way. The essence of the story is much more global - an attempt to conceal a huge tragedy, which is why there are more consequences.
Unfortunately, the majority in general do not care about the Middle Ages, and even more about the Chernobyl tragedy! As well as the story itself. Many do not know what happened in the 90s, not to mention something further besides the fact of some kind of accident at the Chernobyl nuclear power plant in the 80s.
There was no "brazen" lies. There were exaggerations, there were cranberries. What do you think is a blatant lie?
The first thing that comes to my mind from inconsistencies: Ulyana Khomyuk is the only invented character, although HBO immediately stated that she is a collective image of many scientists, and naked miners are an absolutely inappropriate scene, yes it was hot and they were without respirators, but still not naked. Well, Dyatlov and Bryukhanov were made completely antiheroes, although they were rather victims of the regime.
You can continue to sort out by frame what is false, what is true (but is it necessary to do this in an art series?) - but the liquidators, their actions and the memory of them are pretty well provided and not a bit blackened. On the contrary, many abroad who did not know anything about this tragedy at all and began to be interested in it, and Google the facts, and not blindly believe the series!

That's the key. Nobody in the hood. he does not invent film adaptations only dialogues. There are no such films. A lot of things change gender / actions / places of events for more drama. Stick to the facts and schedule all the events thoroughly - these are already two different genres in cinema.
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10 Nov 2023, 14:55 #
@Irena_Turner: When do "exaggerations " and "cranberries" go into the stage of blatant lies? How much should I exaggerate? Yes, the liquidators are not denigrated, but they denigrate the actions of the USSR Government, which carried out the evacuation of Pripyat in a short time, threw all its forces into eliminating the consequences of the accident and prevented the spread of radio infection on a global scale. It clearly follows from the series that the Soviet people coped with the consequences of the explosion not thanks to the actions of the Government, but strictly contrary! And this is the biggest lie of the series. Which just consisted of small exaggerations and cranberries.
Well, what "basic facts " did the creators of the series adhere to? The explosion and its liquidation, evacuation of Pripyat - and that's it! In this regard, yesaaaa! The series is 100% authentic! :)))
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10 Nov 2023, 15:18 #
@Gordey: The USSR government behaved in the worst way, tried to reduce the consequences and threw ALL their forces only when the accident became known abroad. Residents of Pripyat began to be evacuated only a day later! This is a colossal failure! A day later, it was already necessary to evacuate the nearest regions, and Gorbachov obliges the head of the Ukrainian SSR to hold a parade on May 1 in Kiev! For residents who were in the dark and attended all this farce in the future, it affected the health of not only their own, but also the next generation.
You are now trying to attribute to the government what did not happen. If they told in the series that the government did everything at once - that would be a blatant lie)
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10 Nov 2023, 15:34 #
@Irena_Turner: It is you who are now deliberately belittling the role of the Government in solving the problem. Yes, some mistakes took place, but the evacuation of Pripyat was carried out clearly and in record time. This event was included in textbooks, by the way. And where do you think the liquidators had all the resources, supplies and equipment from? The government provided. Do you know what the worst thing is with all kinds of disasters? Panic! And so they tried to avoid it by all means. And it basically worked out.
In the series, they just thickly hint that it was necessary to urgently run for help to the West in general and the USA in particular! And the consequences would be many times less! And this is a blatant lie! :))
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10 Nov 2023, 15:48 #
@Gordey: the government provided them initially - shovels and row with your hands. The liquidators received resources and security only after the publicity, I repeat, abroad.
You're trying to justify avoiding panic at the expense of civilian lives. Evacuation, which takes place a day after the event, can no longer be a priori " in a short time ". I would say that it even loses its meaning, because the radiation did not wait for them to leave the city. I don't even want to know in which textbooks, this inhibition of elimination can enter as something good.

In the series, it is thickly hinted that nothing can be hidden and everything comes out. Especially the incompetent leadership of the country.

"minor mistakes" - I would call the change of age of the character in the series, and not a deliberate lie to the whole country that "there was a minor accident nothing serious")
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10 Nov 2023, 16:36 #
@Irena_Turner: You are trying to belittle the importance of those on whose shoulders the organization of this very liquidation fell. I do not know from what sources you draw information (I hope not from the books of Alixeevich and Western non-Russian journalists), but resources and support began to be received as soon as it became known about the scale of the accident. And after assessing the events, they began to apply evacuation measures. It's easy to reason lying on the couch after almost half a century "Yes, I would then wow!" And then there was no mobile communication, there was no technology like now. And nuclear power plants have only just begun to appear in fact.

And of course it was the leadership in the USSR that was incompetent! You made my day!!!! :))))))))
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10 Nov 2023, 17:17 #
@Gordey: It was only 37 years ago. The phones were already working 24/7. The world has already faced the consequences of the spread of radiation.
On the shoulders of whom the organization really fell - I didn't say a single crooked word. Who from the government stood and led the liquidation? One Shcherbina? What did the authorities do? Did they keep the media inside the country and TV sets with a picture "nothing serious"? The first hours and days are the most valuable time that was not used.
I don't understand what you're talking about "after evaluating the events, you started getting everything you need...apply evacuation measures...". I even Googled it on purpose, I was wrong - the evacuation began not in a day, but in 36 hours. One and a half days!
The explosion that destroyed the reactor on the same night and the fire does not stop. What additional assessments are needed? They are done when you have already taken out the civilian population, canceled parades in the vicinity, took all the first measures to eliminate it and it did not help.
It wasn't about the functionality of the NPP. And in the mandatory tests that were conducted, which did not provide that " something would go wrong ". Another stone in the same garden.

It is incompetent! Even in the constitution of the USSR after this disaster, and then the countries of the post-Soviet space fixed responsibility - for hiding or not bringing information about an environmental disaster to the population.
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10 Nov 2023, 18:24 #
@Irena_Turner: I see you're an expert.. Can you tell me in which paragraph of the Constitution of the USSR or already of the RSFSR there is an article for "responsibility - for concealing or not bringing to the public information about an environmental disaster " (c)?
And once again I repeat: knowing what happened and what consequences it led to, it's easy to reason "how I would have acted on the spot.." and the like. At that time and under those circumstances, the Government of the USSR acted clearly and quickly as much as possible.
And turn on the logic at last! To organize not just evacuation, but also the resettlement of an entire city - this is not the level of local government, this is just the level of Government! To provide liquidators with everything necessary and recruit these liquidators is also not a pound of raisins! Shcherbina alone would not have coped, and he had no time. He supervised the liquidation.
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10 Nov 2023, 20:11 #
@Gordey: and yet, you are too picky. Even an incorrectly specified word does not mean that the presented series are completely true. Even the word "reliability" provides for a departure from reality in small things.
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10 Nov 2023, 20:12 #
@Irena_Turner: well, people can't understand that an art series is no longer a complete correspondence to the facts. But it's up to them to dig in from scratch.
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10 Nov 2023, 20:17 #
@Paketik_chaya: You probably haven't read the whole thread. Read it, maybe you'll understand what I meant
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10 Nov 2023, 20:21 #
@Sachet_chaya: You were born, grew up, studied (perhaps) - these are facts. If I make a film based on your biography, I will stick to them. But I can easily come up with the idea that you are a sex maniac - this is an artistic assumption, you just weren't caught, so this fact is not in your biography. But who prevents me, the creator, from making such an artistic assumption?! No one, according to your own words! Whether you like it or not doesn't matter. It's a little thing that you shouldn't dig into
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10 Nov 2023, 21:14 #
@Gordey: I read all the comments
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10 Nov 2023, 21:16 #
@Gordey: well, no one says that such assumptions are prohibited. It's the same situation as with the series in the compilation. The basis is a person or an event, and the details are already an artistic component. This is how the actions of the USSR in the TV series Chernobyl are overwritten, this is how Anne Boleyn became black, this is how Sherlock Holmes unlocked This Woman's phone.
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10 Nov 2023, 21:24 #
@Paketik_chaya: Do you really understand the meaning of the word "reliability "?
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10 Nov 2023, 21:26 #
@Gordey: Are you sure you're not fixated on one word?
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10 Nov 2023, 21:41 #
@Paketik_chaya: Do you always answer a question with a question?
This word was the beginning of the discussion. And I explained that. And you should have read it, according to your words. If you 're not lying
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10 Nov 2023, 21:41 #
@Gordey: Not always. I read it and realized that you were hooked on the word.
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10 Nov 2023, 21:52 #
@Sachet_chaya: And I explained why - should I repeat it to you?
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10 Nov 2023, 21:55 #
@Gordey: No need, it won't reduce your pickiness
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10 Nov 2023, 22:04 #
@Irena_Turner: I won't argue here how reliable Chernobyl is. And I don't want to.
Only about secrecy, evacuation and lies, I advise you to score "1979 accident at the US nuclear power plant". The accident is comparable to Chernobyl, as a result of which 50% of the power unit melted. The materials are completely classified until now. Evacuation began only a few days later. The evacuation was voluntary. None of the civilians received any compensation. The American government is still lying about the effects of radiation and emissions on people and the environment.
And now ask yourself the question - why haven't the Americans made any film about this tragedy yet?
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12 Nov 2023, 11:13 #
@Gordey: I can't tell you the number in the USSR, in Ukraine - the Criminal Code articles 237, 242 and 245. They include concealment of information on environmental disasters, non-timely liquidation measures, violation of environmental protection rules and actions/non-actions in the case of hazardous waste.
I Googled in the Russian Federation, it seems they just took the Soviet article as a basis - article 237, too.
I turn on logic and am not going to turn a blind eye to the fact that the government demanded experiments, while being absolutely unprepared for the consequences and slowing down and hiding this catastrophe from civilians by my actions. It's wild for me. Most likely you live far away in Russia, and absolutely do not care that the population living in the district still meets with the consequences.
Evacuation is already scheduled in advance when it comes to dangerous objects. Just take it and follow the instructions. It was specially slowed down, as you noticed earlier, so as not to disperse the panic.
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12 Nov 2023, 11:27 #
@Kookaburra: It now looks like "I don't want to make excuses for my inaction, so look how bad everything is.". I'm not specifically talking about you, but in general for using "and they have worse, so we're cool!". In the 21st century, this is already too hackneyed and cheap manipulation, and I will not be guided by it.
And no. It doesn't work that way. America did a shitty job in 1979. The USSR coped shitily in 1986.

Answering your question - there is a TV series on the topic for 2022, I really haven't watched it. And so I understand you too)) And as a counter-question - why is there no reliable worst film from the post-Soviet space? I understand for the same reason that you are hinting why there is no American film about Three Mile Island?)
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12 Nov 2023, 11:52 #
@Irena_Turner: The Criminal Code and the Constitution are different things. And I live in the Chernobyl zone, even in Russia. But I understand everything about your attitude. I consider further discussion pointless
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12 Nov 2023, 12:12 #
@Irena_Turner: to talk in the 21st century from the standpoint of the present time about the events of the 20th century that took place in another state, to cite articles of the criminal Code today and to blame people of that time looks a little silly. This is, to put it mildly, pulling an owl on a globe to pass off your desires as reality.
And yes, Shcherbitsky was lying when he said that Gorbachev ordered him to hold a parade. There is not a single evidence in favor of this, except for the memoirs of his wife and confidants. Gorbachev denied it. Which Ryzhkov confirms in his memoirs.
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12 Nov 2023, 13:19 #
@Gordey: OK. I agree with myself, I wanted to suggest finishing in the next comment, since you have provided only a subjective opinion so far "brazen lies " in the series. There are facts that we look at differently, no more.
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12 Nov 2023, 13:28 #
@Kookaburra: Pulling an owl on a globe is pandering to a state that no longer exists. And continue to voice the official rhetoric of that time. We are in the 21st century, we can already speak openly without fear. Although..

And what does that change? Shifting the responsibility of the government from hand to hand? Parades have been held in infected cities, and that's what matters.

By the way, why did you block me and want answers to questions when you ignore them yourself?))
I can't even give you a dislike, but you sculpt yourself, what kind of kindergarten.
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12 Nov 2023, 13:36 #
@Irena_Turner: so block it too. They are so sure that they are right.
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12 Nov 2023, 13:44 #
@Paketik_chaya: let's try) although it looks like an attempt to abstract from someone else's opinion, since its a single and "reliable ")) this word is just right here))
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12 Nov 2023, 23:19 #
@Kookaburra: I'm very glad that you showed your rotten insides! You don't need answers, because often someone hiding behind dirty insults on the Internet turns out to be an empty place in real life)
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13 Nov 2023, 09:24 #
@Irena_Turner: Did you remember the insults?
Then remember what you wrote a year ago or earlier. And you'll see your rotten insides when you look in the mirror.
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13 Nov 2023, 13:02 #
@Kookaburra: are you all so pure and immaculate?) There will be sins for you too
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13 Nov 2023, 13:06 #
@Paketik_chaya: count my sins, if there is time. Somehow I don't care.
But when khokhlukha dresses up in white clothes, insulting the word "khokhol", not forgetting to write "orcs", "rusnya", "Mordor" and so on, and without getting out of the this Mordor, it's kind of weird.
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13 Nov 2023, 13:13 #
@Kookaburra: it's strange when people pay attention to nonsense. And they take offense like children at the words of unknown people on the Internet. Apparently we can 't pass by anymore
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13 Nov 2023, 13:18 #
@Paketik_chaya: that's right.
Just write it not to me, but to Madame from Ukraine.
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13 Nov 2023, 14:15 #
@Kookaburra: And what should I remember if I don't write like that?) Or are you putting labels on everyone? I'm not trying to assert myself on the Internet through insults. It's stupid and pathetic, you look like an offended woman in a skirt, let it go and don't attribute what is not) Tip - if you end up being offended by the word "orc", do not start a dialogue with strangers with the word "crest"))
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13 Nov 2023, 14:21 #
@Irena_Turner: I'm not like that, I'm waiting for the tram. And what are we for?
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13 Nov 2023, 14:29 #
@Kukabara: so I wrote about you, you're offended
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13 Nov 2023, 14:36 #
@Kookaburra: try something else. sad
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13 Nov 2023, 14:39 #
@Irena_Turner: well, shit got in. Is this such a national feature? I didn't doubt it.
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13 Nov 2023, 14:39 #
@Bag_chaya: 😜🤡
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27 Dec 2023, 06:43 #
@Gordey: you made my day) you painted everything perfectly
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I love the Crown, I'm waiting for the new season!!Thanks for the selection, I haven't even heard about some of them, I'll take a note, And I agree about Chernobyl, there is no history there, it's fantastic!!
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12 Nov 2023, 11:41 #
@alenyshka_bella: As in "The Crown " there is no history there, except for the actors and the place of action)))
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13 Nov 2023, 00:21 #
Isabella is just a fire! With a small budget, we were able to get as close to historical reality as possible (at least, everything that I could find and read in Russian corresponded to what was shown in the series). But the spin-off "Emperor Carlos" could not finish watching - tedious dialogues in the same location.
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And then the red-bellied lovers of autocracy broke...
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