It's been a long time since I've watched 13 episodes at a time. I was madly waiting for this series, I subscribed to Netflix in advance for it, and it was definitely worth it. I didn't read the book, so as not to spoil anything for myself. I love TV shows that raise similar problems. You can say with foam at the mouth that this is all nonsense or it only happens in America, but no, unfortunately. I changed three schools and in all three children bullied each other physically and mentally. In the series it was shown very well. How far our stupidity goes, our fear of someone else's opinion. Clay touched my soul. The guy is a little out of this world, going about his business, he is not particularly interested in school squabbles, but he will be the catalyst, the lever through which the truth will come out. The actor plays very well, there was not a single moment where I heard a false intonation from him. I sympathized with the character and sincerely worried about him. The last episodes brought me to tears. Can it really leave anyone normal indifferent at all? Chuika didn't let me down, I guessed from the trailer what would happen, but, damn it, how I wanted to be wrong. To raise such a topic... it is necessary.
@Samara_world: You can talk a lot about "don't go drinking", "don't get drunk" and other things. But remember yourself at that time. Did everyone take it seriously? Nobody got drunk? No one did what they later regretted? (I'm not talking about the rapist, he can't be justified at all, in any way). Hannah explains why, explains clearly, it's a pity that she was a teenager, no one was with her, no one helped her, and she, due to her age, did not even try to get out of the situation otherwise. There are so many books on suicide among teenagers, the statistics are terrible, I immediately remember the words of the director at the parents' meeting about the fact that they should be closer with their children. Hannah didn't tell her parents about what happened, she was ashamed, as well as Jessica, who, to my joy, decided to tell her father about the rape. Many are silent about this. There are people who generally perceive such things calmly and only then realize the tragedy of the situation (if they realize, and not tremble for their skin at this time). There are some, and second, and third characters. I'd rather not say anything about the psychologist, I was shaking the whole scene of Clay's conversation with him. The series really touched me, I wrote a comment under the impression, 5 in the morning, it's time to go to sleep for an hour before work, if thoughts will let me fall asleep.
well, of course the victim is to blame, who else! I got into the Jacuzzi in my underwear, poor provoked Bryce! not to drink and not to go to the entrance is a way of life that everyone chooses or does not choose. and do not impose the idea that "nothing good happens at these parties." IT happens if you have fun with people you know well and trust, i.e. with friends. and violence on the part of some asshole in relation to a female representative can overtake in any place and at any "parade", for example, on the way home late in the evening. the statistics are terrifying, and you are "to blame" here. the girl was not the most determined, especially in a depressed state, and she also wanted to find friends, to understand why she did not fit into any company.
@yoggik: It's very convenient to blame the victim, right? :) If a girl says no, it means no. No matter who they thought she was, Bryce took what didn't belong to him. He raped two girls in what, two weeks?! Even if she got into the jacuzzi naked, it does not mean that it was possible to rape her.
@wow-lovely: I agree with your comment. About the parties, I refer to the situation a month ago on our television. A very revealing case. If you got drunk and you were raped, it's your own fault. We have a lot of people who think so (the moralistic comment above confirms this). I got drunk only 1 time in my life, it happened in adolescence, now I understand the consequences of this act, it was a good life lesson. I was also a nerd at school, I entered the university and now I am the "happy" owner of the red diploma. So what? Does this give me the right to judge others? How nice I am, but if someone drinks with friends, then fufufu. You can go to parties and not drink, you can go to parties and at the same time study normally, you can (... do a lot of things if you forget about laziness or stop turning up your nose) enjoy life and try to help your loved ones (and even less condemn others). I am glad to have a large number of comments in which people are against victimshaming. And you said the right thing about violence, no one is immune from it.
@yoggik: everything is clear with you. Actually, she drank with them and went to parties because she was desperately looking for a friend. She herself has talked about it many times on cassettes.
@yoggik: >And who did she trust there, I wonder? Zack, Jessica? To whom? that's the thing about no one. and she really wanted to find friends, and maybe make friends with Jess again. >But you need to think about the consequences of your actions. what actions? what did she do wrong to deserve such treatment from her peers? >And if it happened, then deal with them, and not cut veins. Well, I'm glad that everything is so simple for you and you are such a solid self-sufficient strong personality. It's really harder to live than to get drunk yourself. "suicide is for weaklings," Sky also said, and she's right. but not everyone can. why condemn a person who made such a decision? yes, it is weakness, yes, it is selfishness towards those who remained, but it was her choice and her life.
@yoggik: well, yes, she was stupid (she didn't even have time to drink there), she was already in a depressed state to understand which people she was among.
@Samara_world: I completely agree with you, people are not defined by drinking/not drinking, going to parties/ not going. People are primarily determined by their attitude towards other people. Judging a person by his bad habits, of which there are many and which depend on the environment in which a person cooks, is at least superficial.
@yoggik: And when did the same Bryce rape sleeping Jess? Or was Jessica provoking him too? How then the guy was unlucky - every second girl at school provokes. A rapist is a rapist. And the girl has the right to freedom and safety in any conditions, even at the entrance.
@yoggik: you don't have to go to the reception or get drunk so that some asshole decides that he can rape you. you can just come home from work/school.... that's all. Are you saying that because Hannah was sitting in her underwear in the Jacuzzi, Bryce raped her? Is that how you justify his actions? or maybe he did it because he's a complete asshole???!!!!!! because he believes that a woman is his property and that a woman owes him and a woman is a thing??? God grant that you understand this. and so that this never happens to you.
@Samara_world: well, about our television, I think you're wrong. No one said that if a girl does not dress appropriately and drinks, then she can be raped. The conversation was about the fact that, given Shurygina's background (videos of "sex, drugs", her correspondence, photos), they suggested that there was no rape in principle. And a lot of facts said that she was cheeky. But even this behavior does not give anyone a reason to rape her. And this was said. Here I already wanted to vomit from the rape scenes, it was just awful and God forbid anyone to go through this.
@Sheeva: That's not what I was talking about. The girl could be in shock, she may have a mental disorder that she behaved like that. I know a person, not just someone there, but a real person who behaved the same way after that. And people didn't believe her, she was "obviously lying, she wasn't raped." Only then the boy got drunk and told, and others filmed it on the phone. And people are like, "ko-ko-ko, she goes on a drinking binge, she also shoots vulgar videos about herself, she's a slut, it's her own fault." We really know about this story only what is presented to us. I myself at first shared your point of view about the fact that this may not have happened, and then I started watching comments on the network, where people just said something like what I described above, and was horrified. I wasn't talking about television, I was writing about people's reactions, which, and you can argue with me, but was negative. Not everyone, but many people with whom I discussed the situation think so. It's her own fault. And my comment was about the reaction: "About the parties, I'm referring to the situation a month ago on our television. A very revealing case. If you got drunk and you were raped, it's your own fault. We have a lot of people who think so (the moralistic comment above confirms this)." I didn't say in what way it was presented by the first channel. I answered the girl's attack about "stay at home, don't drink, you will be happy." As said above, this can happen anywhere. I have read very interesting studies on this topic, which prove theses that a large percentage of women suffer from their close environment (dads, grandfathers, uncles, friends).
@Sheeva: About the scene: I immediately remembered the TV series "Murder" (I won't say which season and where, in case you haven't watched). Or a movie based on one of Boris Vian's books. Or DSTD (where even the men in the cinema shuddered). But the most terrible thing was in the movie "Treasure", I advise you to watch it, I really advise you. PS: under so many TV shows that I watched, I saw your comments! I am pleased with polite people who reasonably criticize you
@Samara_world: ah, well, I misunderstood you a little. After rape, reactions can be really different, someone closes in on himself, and someone embarks on all serious (and I know such a case myself). And in fact, I always watch TV and the news with caution, because they show us what we need to see, not the truth. What is the truth, it remains to be guessed. But if we consider "Let them talk" as a kind of artwork, a series, then we can draw our own conclusions. After all, there are many non-docks in this story. About getting drunk and being raped - that's really nonsense, the episode with Jessica and Bryce is proof of that. She was lying almost like a corpse (almost necrophilia), limp, and he took advantage of her moment of weakness. Moreover, you can get into such a situation not only from alcohol intoxication, I read somewhere that some doctor after administering anesthesia to his patients raped them. Here they went to the doctor. So to the principle of "do not drink and you will be happy" you can add "do not go to the doctor", "never leave the house at all", because an attacker can wait for an elementary near the entrance. No one is immune from this. "Murder" watched, really creepy. I was also horrified by the scene from "Irreversibility", an incredibly heavy film. P.S. it's nice to hear! It's even nicer to see the same polite people :)
@Nimriel: Yeah, I was horrified too, I usually don't read obscure comments, but my curiosity took over, because it's hard to earn so many minuses) And what do we see?! everyone who put a minus sign thought it out and drew conclusions themselves, and not concerning yoggik's statement. It's like a rumor, Hannah's a giver! Oh damn, there was only a kiss, wasn't there? We watch TV shows, but we don't draw conclusions.
@yoggik: and I agree with you on 120%. The rest can lose as much as they want. Actually, starting from the first minutes, I liked the series. but the longer I watched it, the more disgusted I became with the main character. In short, I can say what got me the most. 1. Alleged rape. Even the director told her the absolute truth: if you didn't resist, didn't even ask to be released, but just accepted, then by definition there is no rape. In any case, if a woman doesn't want to, she will do everything, scratch out her eyes, scream, bite off her ear, but at least she will fight. And yet, she was asked to tell about everything. Did she think they'd just take her word for it that she'd been raped? 2. When she told Clay a hundred times to get out of the room, and with such a fee. It's crazy to think that he'll stay to feel sorry for her. Clay is not a telepath to guess the thoughts of a girl with PMS. 3. Let's face it, she was a popular girl at school. And the whole series pretended that she was being bullied. Although she could have arranged everything differently, turned everything to her advantage. 4. She saw her friend being raped. Even if she had patted Bryce on the back, he would have fucked up and run away from there. And so, there was a good opportunity to accuse him of rape without being the victim herself. 5. And last but not least, what makes me so sad. How can you take everything so personally?! How can you be so naive? And if anyone thinks that we are discussing this here, being greenhouse plants from prosperous families, I hasten to disappoint you. I know absolutely everything that Hannah went through. And let's ask the experts a question, does Hannah have a strong or weak character? Absolutely nothing had happened in her life that couldn't be fixed or overcome. After all, no one died, but only death cannot be fixed.
@native: A man is walking down a dark street. A robber runs up to him with a pistol and says, "Give me all the money in a good way or I'll shoot you." The man obeys and gives everything he had with him without resistance. Is it the man's fault in this case, too? He didn't resist.
@native: Hannah had psychological problems, she was such that all these bullying (yes, when she was called a "whore" it didn't seem like the desired popularity to her) broke her. Psychological problems are not something out of a series of fiction, it is a disease of the main human organ - the brain, in humans as a result of stress, for example, some biological processes may be disrupted. And it's not that she's to blame for these problems, we're all not born the same, genes, everything. And what might be nothing to you, it wouldn't seem like it to her. It's very naive to think that a rich dad's son will be charged with rape because "he ran away after I patted him on the back." And even more naively, Hannah had to fight back. We're all very smart when we watch a series like this and think that we would have given everyone a hard time, this wouldn't have happened to us. We can all be in a bad situation, without exception, so it's definitely not the victims who need to be blamed.
And it was rape, she turned around to get out of the pool. And Bryce confessed, he understood what he was doing, even he.
@native: I agree)) and besides HOW the GG is presented, I can't help but recall the very trick of the action - recording with cassettes. Someone here has already expressed an opinion. that the young lady just didn't have enough attention, so writing everything down so theatrically before her death somehow doesn't fit in with a depressed teenager.
@native: I totally agree. but this is an unpopular opinion. It is believed that her life was unbearable. one stopped being friends, the second took a picture, the third anonymously printed the poem, the fourth shot down the sign. how to live after this is completely unclear. she drove everyone away (although Tony always remained loyal to her there, no one else was needed with such a friend) and suffered that no one loved her. Yes, they were raped, but thousands of women continue to live after this.
@Vovsedneprianskie: She didn't go anywhere near him. She was sitting in the company, and Bryce got in there himself. And she was trying to get out. She said, "Don't." And she didn't touch anyone, just like she wouldn't touch anyone on the street. What about Jessica? Was it her fault she was asleep? Is this a case where both sides are to blame? It's impossible to be guilty of violence when a huge bulk is pressing down on you, bruising you, strangling you, etc., and you're trying to get out. And some are paralyzed with fear. When they tried to rape me as a child, I was silent out of fear, it's unclear how I escaped at all. They rape you everywhere, and people don't care what kind of clothes you wear or what kind of past you have. Even if you put on a hijab and stand in a corner, this fate may overtake you there. Yes, it's better to minimize situations in which you can fall into the clutches of a rapist, but even close people can rape.
@yoggik: It's disgusting that a girl writes all this. We women are free to go where we want, with whom we want. No one can rape us. A guy cannot be provoked, they are not animals, but people, they lack animal instincts (otherwise all men would rape all women). If he raped, it was entirely his decision. It doesn't matter where you were or what you were wearing, are 10-month-old children being raped, girls in black bags, were they also in the wrong place, in the wrong clothes? When it gets to people that rape is only the rapist's fault.
@DaryaKot: Well, if you think about it that way, then you can safely walk naked through dark alleys, and then SUDDENLY find yourself raped (at best). Yes, the rapist is to blame. Always. No options. But. BUT! You need to have a head on your shoulders. You wouldn't walk through a busy hospital through all 8 lanes without traffic lights and pedestrians because you wanted to, but let the always guilty drivers take a closer look? I may be explaining it in a confusing way, but even when I was at school, I tried not to stay in unpleasant company. It's better to sit with a book than hang out with scoundrels. And to drink with those who periodically bully you... 🤦🏻♀️
When drunk, the worst traits of people most often awaken, and many people "lose their minds," "lose their balance," and "lose their brakes." This is A WELL-KNOWN fact. You have to think about the consequences anyway. She might not have expected to be raped, but she still had to escape FROM there BEFORE, not cut her wrists AFTER.
@Samara_world: "You can say with foam at the mouth that this is all nonsense or it only happens in America, but unfortunately not." why do we have a good series that reveals such problems Guy Germanica "school"
The case when the film adaptation is really better than the book. In the book, all the reasons seemed too far-fetched and far-fetched. The atmosphere in the series is wonderful. Netflix did a good job, picked great actors and gorgeous soundtracks. I'm unlikely to review it, but it's really much better and more interesting than the book.
@anatrnd: how much I read this "far-fetched reasons", I still don't understand. Here, just because of one rape, you can worry very much that you will think about suicide. And then everyone threw shit on the fan. Anyway, Hannah committed suicide because she decided that she had no place in this society, had no friends, could not find support from her parents, or even from a school psychologist.
@Znata: The author is talking about the book. Everything is really written there in such a way that it seems that there are no problems. This is the case when the series is a hundred times better than the book.
From 2/5 of the book, 5/5 of the series was made, I give you a standing ovation... in the book, all the "reason" characters were so flat, well, bastards, what to take from them. and then I even felt sorry for some of them. Netflix (almost) never fails, let alone. The entire cast has already managed to fall in love with so many new talented faces. I will be glad to see them in new projects. ♥
Well, Netflix, that was strong. Serious topics were raised, and I hope that they resonated with the people who viewed this creation in their hearts. People are so cruel, it would seem that Hannah needed just a little warmth, love and care and everything would have been resolved less tragically. And how many such people surround us? There are a lot of things, sometimes it's even scary to look people in the eye, because even the very first student and basketball player(I mean, Zach) may be lonely, or one of the top beauties of the school may be in a terrible situation (Jessica), and the fact that Hannah noticed this and tried to help makes it even more lousy and pitiful for her. I just couldn't help but cry at the moment where Clay talks about the last day of Hannah's life. It would seem that there was a man, but now he's gone, it's scary. I would like to once again note the well-chosen cast, all the characters looked solid and worked out, were able to evoke the full range of emotions from disgust to the deepest sympathy. Also, the excellent work of the operator, the wonderful visual range, the change of color scales, the game with reflections and the transition of Glue from the present to the past is great. Thank you for showing once again how important it is to be kind and attentive to others, who knows, maybe your kind word will save someone from drama. 10 out of 10
Even though I've been crying and crying since episode 11, at the moment "-are you okay? - no, is that all right? -yeah, it's fine" I was completely blown away, but this time from happy tears, because there was a feeling that everything would be fine with them. They no longer need to pretend that everything is fine, because it's okay not to feel okay.
In the coming months, there is no time at all and there was almost no time to watch TV series, but I was so looking forward to this one that I swallowed it overnight. I definitely liked it, I waited until the very end to see exactly how it would end. Of course, there were suspicions about Bryce, but until the last moment I hoped that this, excuse my French, asshole would be punished. The only thing is that I don't understand Justin at all. Yes, you're a scared kid trying to protect your girlfriend (in a way, you can even understand him), but damn it, Bryce has already raped at least TWO people, driving one of them to suicide.And you know about it and you live quietly in his house, smoking weed. Fuck human qualities, of course.
@Lily_TL: The topics of Justin and Bryce were touched upon in the TV series Beyond the reasons. Psychologists explained that the result of Justin's inaction is adherence to the so-called bro-code, when friends share everything and do not consider it something shameful, and also support each other, no matter what. Justin tried to convince himself that Bryce's behavior was normal, that he couldn't betray a friend who had helped him so many times (as he himself tells Jessica when he broke into her house). It's terrible that such a culture exists at all, when you turn a blind eye to a crime, even if it was committed by your friend.
The series is great, I haven't seen anything like it for a long time, the books are much more interesting, which is rare, the characters and their experiences are more fully shown in the series, and you realize that they are not all such bastards who drove an unstable girl to suicide, at least that's what it seemed to me when I read the book. One thing I still don't understand is why Alex killed himself (I feel sorry for him
@id51710070: it seemed to me that he took everything on his own shoulders - it was he who put Hannah on the list, which became, so to speak, the catalyst for everything that happened to her next, and even more so, death. I couldn't stand it, poor man. Well, that's if he took the gun from his father himself. P.S. there's a great version of this murder in the comments below, about the second season
@Lily_TL: I agree, I didn't understand this from the series (that Alex's list gave rise to everything), but I decided to read the book and compare it, and yes, Hannah writes that if it weren't for this list, then further events would not have happened.
@Kuku_ruzya: Actually, the catalyst was Justin's picture, which Hannah talks about in the first episode, and the list only worsened the rumors about her.
Did the stalker photographer shoot Alex? He has a bunch of guns in his drawer, and he took Alex's picture off the rope, where there are pictures of all the guys (who is he going to kill too?).
@id394308344: Most likely. Then the second season develops — this suffering teenager will direct aggression at classmates, taking their lives, not his own:(
@id394308344: It's an interesting idea, of course, but it still seems to me that it's not him. I mean, if it was suicide, then the gun should have been next to Alex's body. But, as we were shown, Tyler himself hides a gun. If the gun hadn't been found immediately, it would have been too obvious that it wasn't suicide. So I think that's not the reason he took his picture, but because he's just dead and without his help.
Really? You must have been terribly lucky in life that you never wanted to die. people do this not because they want to for some reason, but because of TERRIBLE circumstances. It seems like we watched the series, but we didn't understand its meaning. your 13 hours have been wasted :)
@jesse_j: Suicide is the most selfish thing you can think of. I can accept medical euthanasia in some cases when a person really has no choice. And Hannah acted as selfishly as possible, at least with her parents, as we were told about 13 episodes. As long as a person is alive and able to do something, he must fight for his life. Hannah was 17 years old, she was about to graduate from high school, she could easily cope with all the difficulties, at least she had loving parents, unlike Justin. She had Clay, who clearly didn't hate her, he himself came up to her and talked on the last day, she could open up to him. Or Tony. Or that guy from the library who noticed her and didn't consider her a whore or anything else. And therefore, in my opinion, suicide cannot be justified, no matter what terrible things happen to a person. Yes, it was hard for Hannah, but she found a lousy way out.
Yes. exactly. Some kind of school kids. Teenage fucking maximalism. Hannah didn't think about the fact that her parents wouldn't be able to live after that. Although somehow in this series, the parents really seem to be moving on, supporting each other. Of course, yes, Hannah was completely disappointed in life, all people were terrible, everything was evil and unfair, I didn't want to live in such a world. But suicide is terribly selfish. To wait out this moment of disappointment for a while and could continue to live somehow when all the wounds were not so fresh. Antidepressants, therapy. It's the school counselor's fault. Although Hannah really plays out the drama a lot, this whole "I said get the fuck out of here, why did you leave, I wanted you to stay" thing is terribly immature and manipulative. She and Clay wouldn't have had a normal relationship anyway.
@empsokol: not everyone can cope with life's difficulties and survive them, Hannah couldn't cope, she had accumulated so much pain inside that she couldn't stand it, if I were Hannah, I would have been drunk a long time ago. And although the parents are loving, they are still not that good, since Hannah did not open up to them, they did not find an approach to her. Hannah and Clay peed on opening up to each other.
@id394308344: it seems to me that the photographer is preparing to arrange a shooting at school and "solve" the issue of bullying of peers in his own way and contrary to the way Hannah solved this issue.
@classy: Yes, it seems to me that this is the groundwork for the second season, where they will raise another serious teenage topic for the United States – mass scouting in schools, no longer by the book. It's a pity that they were very weak, as it seemed to me, on violence, given that now this whole topic with slat-shaming (and other shaming) and other horrors is trending.
@id394308344: what are you doing, the director came in at the end and said that Alex shot himself in the head, which place did you look at, review the last 15 minutes again
@id394308344: I'm 99% sure that Alex shot himself after all. He gets away with any situation all his life, his father "decides" everything, he said all season that he should confess to everyone and take responsibility, and he was ready to tell the truth himself. But this time, the father managed to settle everything and get his son out of testifying. Therefore, Alex decided to punish himself, since there is no one else, remember those colic of his nerves.
@OneMoreShepard: he had suicidal tendencies at the beginning, when he was driving at breakneck speed in a car, and from that moment on I thought that in the end he would definitely kill himself. and so it turned out.
Hell, I hadn't even thought about that. At first, it seemed that Tyler was clearly planning mass scouting at school and the primary goals in the photo. He pardoned Alex after he remembered that he had stood up for him. But now I doubt it.
Hell, I hadn't even thought about that. First, what Tyler clearly had in mind at school is mass scouting and the primary goals in the photo. He pardoned Alex after he remembered that he had stood up for him. But now I doubt it.
@id394308344: There are a couple of people who could shoot Alex. These are Stalker, Bryce, Jess and Justin. Justin and Bryce are unlikely, of course. I remember it being shown that Jess was teaching Bryce how to hold a gun. Alex wanted to tell the truth about the tapes, but Jess didn't. There is a motive. If it's a stalker, then it's strange, because the flashback showed how Alex helped him in some way. Actually, I thought this stalker was going to start shooting at school. By the way, it's quite possible that the second season is about how school shootings happen. There have been many precedents in America.
@senri_nemesea: He also said that he wanted to shoot himself but couldn't, they showed us pistols so that we would wonder for a whole series who shot himself.
@id394308344: Then it turns out somehow strange: before removing Alex's photo, Tyler remembered how Alex helped him. I thought he'd crossed him off the list of people he was going to kill. And initially we were told that Alex knows how to handle a gun because he goes to the shooting range with his father. But OK, Alex's suicide is also an unlikely possibility.
@id394308344: No, Alex shot himself in the head. Tyler (the photographer) took his picture because he wasn't going to kill him, because he was kind to him.
To be honest, I didn't expect anything worthwhile from the series, even though it was filmed by Netflix. The book didn't leave a strong impression, but the series just took a huge place in my heart. The cast is simply gorgeous, all the characters are revealed perfectly, and the music is amazing. The scariest thing is that it's all a cruel reality. All this bullying is really happening in the world, children are suffering. Therefore, for some, everything ends exactly the same way as for Hannah. I really liked the series, and I openly sobbed over some of the moments. Now it has become one of my favorites.
I knew Mr. Portman would be on the tape, and I didn't like him from the very first episode. He seems to be a school psychologist, but he does his job, purely for show, with a minimum of involvement and interest. The series is very good! I looked at it all at once. The series are heartwarming, and some are even too violent, but they perfectly convey the situation and people's actions. I was very touched by Clay's record, and I'm terribly sorry for him and Hannah. In general, so many opportunities have been missed due to stupidity, weakness, envy, fear, and many other reasons. These feelings make you make the wrong decisions. It's good that the truth came out and Hannah was heard. But it's a pity that the only way to be heard is suicide.
@lohvinenko_yana: It seemed to me that Bryce's relatives had greased him up, but they obviously had money. There was a suspicion that he had already been approached with this kind of problem. And when Clay told him that Bryce was the rapist, he wasn't particularly surprised. I haven't read the book, it's just a guess.
@lohvinenko_yana: I don't remember if this was mentioned in the series, but according to the book, Mr. Porter is not a psychologist by training at all, just a subject teacher who was temporarily asked to take a house.the burden when the real psychologist transferred to another district.
@Luizot: In the series, he only said that he had no psychological education. Which doesn't justify it at all, because in order to listen and empathize with what's already happening, you don't need any special education.
@yanna_l: He's just a school psychologist. A living person with his own problems. Even when talking to Hannah, he was constantly distracted by his phone, apparently his wife was calling. I'm not justifying him, he was the last straw, but he has hundreds of students and everyone has different problems. Hannah's immediate parents couldn't see anything here, I don't think the psychologist is the true scapegoat.
The last TV Series I Watched in one go: Season 1 of True Detective I've come across this book many times, but I haven't had any particular desire to read it. It seemed to me that this was another book for teenagers like "Paper Towns". I've never been so wrong before. All the time I was watching, I was worried and at the same time hated these characters. The cast is very well chosen, their performance is pleasant to watch, there is no pretense. As for the plot itself.. This is something that needs to be talked about, something that needs to be dealt with somehow. And probably it will never outlast itself. I just want everyone who has watched to learn a lesson for themselves. After all, we are all not without sin.
It's been a long time since I've watched a whole season in one go. I immediately spent 13 hours in one go. He liked the excellent cast (the main character, Clay, was from Lost, where he played Jack's son (by the way, Alex's father, a cop, is Jacob from Lost). I liked the idea for the second season, scouting in schools is a very serious and painful topic, let's see how Netflix dares to take this step. The atmosphere is great, and especially the soundtrack – at the age of 17, I listened to it myself :) I didn't like that there was very little discussion, as it seemed to me, on the topic of violence – now it is a very hot topic all over the world, it seemed that it was not brought to a boil. The murder and violence scene is a horror and a nightmare, much scarier than similar scenes from Game of Thrones, because you understand the realism of these situations. It also seemed that the series was slightly suspended in the mid–noughties –not surprising, of course, because the book was from 2007, it probably got in the way – but there were TOO few topics with social networks, no one really uses text messages anymore – the dawn of messengers, except for a couple of mentions - nothing, it's a shame. That's why it seemed a little like the series wasn't about the present (with all the iPhones and stuff).
@mokindan: In America, the Internet is very expensive, especially mobile, and it is not unlimited like ours, which is probably why SMS is still so common, and this is not only in this series, but in many others too: people communicate via SMS.
@existens: yes, besides, my friends have been living there for a long time, as well as in Europe - and almost everywhere there are problems with the Internet, its unlimited availability and cost.
@mokindan: the heroes used iMessage. These are the same SMS messages, only sent over the Internet. A kind of mix of the same WhatsApp and regular messages. It's a pretty popular way of communicating with most foreigners (English speakers, at least for sure) who own Apple devices.
@mokindan: or maybe it was impossible to show the use of well-known messengers, because that would have been advertising. and "faceless" SMS messages do not carry any advertising - no smartphone, no operator, etc.
Well, the series is on a solid four. Anyway, some of the reasons are just really dumb (like the main character). Seriously, the first episodes were very infuriating and it was difficult to watch the series. I especially endured the moment when the first adequate reason appeared in the series (for me) why the girl decided to end her life and this reason is killed in the same scene by Hannah's stupidity. And I'm talking about the moment "go away. Did you leave? Asshole!!!". Seriously? The message, in principle, is clear - don't be an asshole and don't rape. I absolutely agree with the latter. But with the first one... Yes, the sexy list is some shit, but FUCK, it's SUCH A DUMB REASON. And YES, it's good that the series at least showed that people react differently to the same thing - Hannah was offended by the "best ass" nomination, but the other girl's "best lips" nomination only gave her more confidence. The moral follows from this - you never know what you can and can't say, because everyone perceives everything differently. What was also infuriating was Hannah, who spent the entire plot whining about how all guys were assholes and assholes, while paying attention EXCLUSIVELY to outspoken assholes and agreeing to meet with them (Zach, for example), but considering Clay "exceptional" she never allowed him to at least try to be with her.. Lo-gi-ka.
Well, yes, the main message is good, but the stupidity of the heroine was completely freezing.
@light_in_eyes: Oh yes, I forgot to add that I was very pleased with the realistic rape scenes. usually such scenes are very stupidly and improbably filmed.
@light_in_eyes: It's a paradox. How can you be so smart at the same time to record appeal tapes, think over routes, generally be so convincing in your threats to make everyone listen to these tapes, and so stupid... through life. I don't know how to put it better. This is probably the case when "smart thinking comes after." It's all the more unfortunate that Hannah got smarter and died on it. I understand that it was a difficult, desperate and courageous decision. She decided to punish the perpetrators, and realized that they would not listen to a living teenager, but the words of a dead girl are a strong argument.
@CaprichoMonstro: By the way, I don't think I've punished you. Clay got through to them. Therefore, he is a more significant character for me than the main character, because he tried to understand the truth of the "reasons" too. And he found a way to resist the inhuman rapist.
@ia_namir: I decided to punish him, so I wrote :) I think Clay is the main character. Hannah recorded 13 cassettes for people, actions (or inaction) which influenced her life, and the decision to break up with her. If it wasn't for Clay, at least the 14th record wouldn't have appeared. But imagine if you got a similar record with your name, would this change the habitual course of your life? We saw 13 different reactions.
@CaprichoMonstro: This is the case when the character is not fully worked out. That is, there was an idea about the suicide tapes of a teenage girl, but the author did not manage to copy the reasons perfectly and the behavior of the girl. And so we have a funny, sweet and witty Hannah on break with a fool. I think this is the book's problem. All the other characters, I think, are well-developed. 10/10
@Caramale: Or maybe it was meant to be? Hannah had a billion opportunities to fix her situation. I could have run away. To another city, another state. And her parents weren't doing well with business here, so they would definitely support her in this. But she stopped living. Her book of life has empty pages. Besides, it makes it clearer that teenage suicide is mostly senseless and merciless. The basic idea is that we need to look out for each other. Well, that's what I understood.
@CaprichoMonstro: Don't forget that the authors are also human, and sometimes blue curtains are just blue curtains, or if a character's behavior seems unnatural or "cardboard", then it's just not thought out. It's impossible to make sense of everything, it's us, the audience, who sometimes make it up if we really like something) Of course, I really want to hope that everything is as you say) But still, her behavior is very contradictory, not only the act of suicide itself is stupid, but also other inconsistencies are constantly in the actions themselves, there were silly moments.
@Caramale: That's right, from people, about people and for people :) You and I are the most undeveloped characters. And Hannah is as stupid as she ever was. That's what pisses me off. But I understand and agree with what you're talking about.
@CaprichoMonstro: By the way, I don't agree with my parents that they "definitely would have supported her". They quarreled over the "move" after Hannah's death, when, in fact, they had nothing to lose, so why would they agree to move because of the usual teenage complaints? Moreover, despite the fact that her parents seem to be good and kind, but there were many moments where they simply did not notice her, dealing with their problems with the store, debts and quarrels. Many of the reasons, even to us, the viewers, seem overly hyped, and not so serious. If only her mom had made a fuss about bullying at school, it would have only made it harder for Hannah. The only reason to move was if she told about the violence, but it's not so easy to admit it, especially after such a conversation with a psychologist. And a confession would have led to police proceedings, a trial, and general publicity - which is not the most desirable thing for such a psychologically unstable girl. She's clearly not a "fighter" in life.
@albinka_: It seems that the parents were fighting because the father of the family submitted a resume to the supermarket, which they could not compete with. And, I'm sorry, to reissue the loan for a new car so that my daughter can show off at the school ball... My parents wouldn't have thought of spoiling me like that. So I have no doubt that we would have moved again.
@CaprichoMonstro: I agree, she has very understanding parents. and they would, most likely. We should have met her halfway. The problem is different - in adolescence, it is very rare for problems to be brought to the parents. I remember myself perfectly at that time - it never even occurred to me to share it with my parents and somehow involve them. And my husband told me about his school. what if you complain to your parents about something, let's say your status generally fell below the baseboard. So, in my opinion, it doesn't even occur to her to share it with her parents, plus, she thinks that she let them down terribly and they would be better off without her...
@Ravenwyrd: I agree with you. In one of the threads I wrote about the same thing, that very rarely in teenagers parents are the most trusted persons. And now it's easy for us (me) to argue that the problems are overblown. I remember myself when I was 13-17 years old. Everything was serious, the world was hostile, the body also seemed to be against you. I still haven't decided for myself what to do in a parent's place. There is too much theoretical material, and each individual teenager is a unique personality. I have friends who have already become parents, and mostly I see that they don't have time. There's no time to remember that they were also going through a stage of growing up and becoming a personality. I am inclined to believe that the ideal option is to teach a child to read, and monitor the quality of the reading material. It's better for eggs to teach a chicken than to rot in their shell.
@CaprichoMonstro: I know that this is no longer relevant, the season has not been discussed for a long time, but I will comment. You know about such statistics that a person who has already attempted suicide is very likely to finish what he started sooner or later. In my opinion, Hannah didn't have "everything is bad," she had mental problems, but not from the circumstances, but "from birth." And even if she had dated Clay, she would have found moments in her life that made her think about suicide again.
@light_in_eyes: Yes, I agree with the fact that both Hannah and Clay are annoyed at the beginning. But then the ubiquitous Tonny tells us that we need to watch to the end, and then judge. By the end, you realize that each event individually would not have led to suicide, but the way they accumulated one after another and in the end, rape, all this together turned her on. At the same time, anyone in the chain could have prevented this if they had paid more attention to it.
But that doesn't change the fact that Hannah is a bit (a lot) beaten up and drama queen, and she got herself involved in some of these situations. On the other hand, she's a teenager, and it's quite realistic.
I can't stand her stupidity and selfishness. What a complete bastard you have to be to make your wonderful parents go through such a thing - it doesn't fit in my head. I came to Mr. Portman: "I don't want to say anything, I won't name names, I won't tell you anything, but you're going to jail someone, I don't know who, for I don't know what." 'Well, she's unbearably stupid. An infantile, narcissistic chicken who couldn't figure out that people didn't have the ability to read her idiotic thoughts. In general, it doesn't cause a drop of pity, and as a result, Clay throws up his assaults on everyone around. So she didn't hesitate to cut her veins in front of her parents, and she was too shy to turn to a psychologist or a psychotherapist. And how can you sympathize with such a person?
The series is great, I couldn't tear myself away. I wanted to read a book, but after the review about cardboard bastards, I changed my mind - here the characters from the films often evoked sympathy, sometimes illogical. Except for the rapist bastard, of course. Hannah and Clay turned out to be very soulful and deep, but Alex still fell in love more. Although it was hard to believe that everything would be okay with him (even in the third episode it seemed that he would not swim out of that pool), hope died for a long time. I feel sorry for him and Jeff the most. There's still Jessica, but there's at least some hint of light at the end of the tunnel. And the episode is okay for the season finale, but it's not the same for the series finale. The four most innocent people riding off into the sunset is cute, but I still believe in the second season, there were a lot of seeds for this.
@MrsFryJr: > Also tell me that you don't mind each hour-long episode about the suffering fate of one girl.
And I'll tell you. I can't speak for everyone who watched this series. but I can definitely say for myself that it wasn't a burden to me. when you get very involved in the plot, the characters and their experiences, a whole hour passes like five minutes.
@MrsFryJr: Yes, I agree, the first episodes were really long, because almost nothing happened, the problems were petty and Clay just listened to the recordings. but by the end, the series did improve.
@Groundjke: And someone else's opinion is here, if you were to shit on the series in the first episodes, it would still be understandable, because there are so many people, so many opinions. But to write such comments under the latest episode, are you serious? Why would you watch a TV show that you didn't get, that's not clear....
@Groundjke: em... I'm sorry, of course, but as far as I know, an "opinion" is at least adequate and constructive criticism, supported by appropriate arguments, and not empty statements about what reflexes you have after watching.
@Double_Zero: So you're allowed to express your opinion, but I'm not? I repeat, if the series is bullshit, then why waste time and watch it? Well, if this series is, as you said, "for sensitive youngsters," then it means that you are one of them)
@Mindernerwa: You're all the same. Just to form an opinion about the series, you need to watch the entire season. Even all the reviews and reviews are written after the season. When I go to the comments for the last episode, I just want to read both positive and negative comments. I haven't watched this series, I wanted to read the reviews, I'm not afraid of spoilers. By the way, it's very easy to distinguish the dissatisfied ones, since mostly those who liked it are watching to the end. And they'll skip all the others. Thanks to those who are not afraid to leave criticism in recent episodes so that you can look at both points of view. It is clear that the phrase "bullshit for sensitive youngsters" is a rather poor criticism, but still it is. And I can see what else those who didn't like are watching, how similar their tastes are to mine. Soryan, what did you pour out your thoughts here?
@Imp_Imp: Many people write negatives here. the main character seemed very stupid to many, for example. but it's one thing to have a negative, at least somewhat constructive and reasoned opinion, and the other is a stupid shit about the series and everyone who liked it.
@Imp_Imp: I agree with you! Watching a series, even if you don't like it very much, is a normal logic, just like with books. Sometimes there may be a twist in the middle or even towards the end that will completely change the opinion of the work.
In the case of this series, this did not happen. At the end, they show a strong personal tragedy involving rape, but gg herself does not cause much regret and from the very first episodes seems to be the most superfluous in this narrative.
I watched it because I was just interested in the denouement. Usually, episodes are quickly rewound in order to understand the essence and not torment themselves with obvious dialogues, but here it didn't work out that way: frequent flashbacks, shuffled events - you'll never understand what happened. So I had to watch the rest of it in the background, reading the comments on each episode in parallel - they were MUCH more interesting than the series itself, which for some reason was also renewed for a second season. Of course, I won't watch it, but at least in the first story the denouement became more or less clear.
My opinion remains the same: suicide is not an option; everyone has difficulties, and our task is to find a decent solution and help, as well as analyze and change OUR behavior before putting an end to our lives and everyone around us. Hannah is an unsuccessful attempt to show all the possible (and rather hackneyed) twists and turns of teenage life on one character, but I think smart teenagers can draw useful conclusions "from the opposite" - how not to act in a given situation and what could be done.
I sincerely wish you (and myself) reasonable decisions!
It's been a long time since I've watched a whole season without stopping. Impressive camerawork, every time I noticed how the moments in the world change from the past to the present and also in motion (really cool). Directing is also interesting. I only found out from the movies that the series was based on a book and now I want to read it.^^
either I completely outgrew all this and for this reason the series didn't drag me out, or... I don't even know. It's a serious topic, I'm not arguing. it was well shot, atmospheric ... but somehow everything is delayed ... yes, this really happens in life. it's elementary: how many times I was bullied at school, how many attempts I made to get drunk, treatment, psychologists... the reasons for this young lady don't seem serious to me. Yes, there are many of them. little things. but I can still say that she is too sensitive. that's all. I don't think I'll remember this series again (you can take a downside) just for the reason that I've seen much more impressive stories.
@nevereats: No, rape alone is enough to commit suicide, but the problem here is that Hannah moved away from it very quickly - she recorded tapes and all that. therefore, in general, I agree, most of the reasons are shit, but one reason would be enough.
@light_in_eyes: it seems to me that she let it be done with her, because already at that moment she did not consider herself a person worth living for. This is partially discussed in the movie about the series, check it out if you're interested.
Is rape a trivial reason?! A bunch of betrayals from those you trusted? A complete lack of support from friends, and even from an adult, to whom I eventually found the strength to turn? I don't even know what to say... What, then, is an adequate reason?
@Ravenwyrd: the fact of the matter is that there are no adequate reasons for suicide. Well, there aren't any. With the exception of medical euthanasia, which I do not consider suicide. I can think of many people I know who have lived and are living in much worse circumstances than this girl. Apart from rape, everything here is teenage, with age you accept the fact that people are bastards, and you are not surprised by this. But even rape is not a reason at all. Well, that's it.
@Sоlveig: Unfortunately, this is solely your point of view. If everyone thought that way, there probably wouldn't have been any suicides. :) I have a fairly distant acquaintance who committed suicide at the age of 20. Do you know why? He decided that he had already seen everything and nothing interesting would happen to him anymore... And for him, it turned out to be a logical and serious reason. I feel incredibly sorry for his parents, who didn't even know what was going on in his head... So after that, Hannah's reasons seem much more valid to me. Of course, I don't approve of her choice, and I'm closer to Skye's point of view myself, but I can understand her:(
@Sоlveig: I don't understand people who justify suicide and think there might be a good reason for it. I absolutely agree with you, apart from medical euthanasia, there are no excuses.
@Raven_Kaosa: Yes, it's nonsense. I was raped at a party. I don't give a shit. Well, of course, I'm not a particularly empathic dude myself, but fuck. Are you seriously expressing your support for Hannah now? That selfish pig who couldn't even write a note to her parents?
@empsokol: This is a personal matter for everyone. if your life is unbearable like Hanna's, then why live. And you don't have to pretend like you know what it's like.
@dimaguru: You need to live, because there is only one life. And if it is unbearable, we must do everything to improve it. You can go to another place, go to psychotherapy, anything, but not commit suicide. Yes, I didn't live in unbearable conditions, but that doesn't change my attitude to the issue. Life is given alone. She's priceless. And we need to fight for it with all our might, because there won't be another one. And if I commit such an act, my family and friends may no longer have a normal life. And yes, I can't justify such a choice in any way. This is an extreme degree of selfishness.
@empsokol: No one is asking you to understand people who think something and justify their choice. Maybe I shouldn't tell you what to do and to whom in such a situation? Has someone decided to commit suicide? but this is his life, what right does someone completely alien have to meddle in such personal matters and point out, even dictate that he, such an egoist, needs to stop thinking about it and start improving his existence right now. Do you want to make your life better? for God's sake, do whatever you think is necessary for yourself personally, even though every morning in front of the mirror you pathetically repeat that life is priceless, it is given alone and further down the list.
@empsokol: OK, there was a girl, 5 years old, so one evening she was abducted for several years, and all this time she was chained to a bed and they did all sorts of things to her. Years later, she was finally found, and in fact her whole life is torture and violence. So let's tell her about "life is one and priceless," Or a man with an incurable disease, and every day it's pain and torture, and only morphine saves him if he runs out of money, so tell him that life needs to be improved. The hypothetical Hannah has the same situation, maybe less unbearable, but it doesn't matter, people are different.
@dimaguru: And a hypothetical girl should commit suicide? Is this the best way out of the situation? No matter what was done to her, even if her life was torture and violence, this should not be a reason to commit suicide. She should live and show those who are to blame for her traumatic past that they did not achieve their goals, that she is stronger than them, and prove it to herself. Perhaps to inspire other people to struggle with problems and try to come out of the dark past into the light. The case of an incurable disease, which causes only pain and nothing better, is solved by medical euthanasia. Yes, there is a really desperate situation here and it is simply impossible to fight it. In the end, it all boils down to the philosophical question "What is the meaning of life?" to which there is no answer. I believe that life itself has meaning, so depriving yourself of it without making every effort to save yourself is unacceptable.
@tristor: I express my opinion, I don't pry into people's souls, I convey my vision of the situation. And yes, I do not consider the desire to commit suicide as normal, therefore I believe that it is not even a choice, but an indulgence, in some way, of the disease. A person can make a choice to take a machine gun and shoot other people, or make a choice to destroy some work of art, but this does not mean that his choice was the right one. Other people suffer from this choice, as well as from the choice to commit suicide, the relatives and friends of the person who decided it suffer. There are few people who are completely isolated from society, whose life or death will not affect anyone. And all this was not said for the sake of pathos, it's just that the phrase "life is priceless" reflects how I see this issue. Suicide cannot be justified.
@nevereats: It is clear that not everyone will be driven to suicide by this. These were good reasons for her. Not a single friend, every person abandons her and runs away like a leper, which makes her feel like some kind of leprosy that won't do any good to other people. And so on and so forth.
It's a good thing that Clay finally remembered about Skye. If anything could happen to this girl, she needed help too. At first, I didn't understand why there was this character in the book at all, but then everything fell into place. Skye was next. Clay finally realized what she was going to do and decided to save her. I just watched the end of the season and I have some kind of strange feeling in my soul, unpleasant, especially after the rape scene. It's very good that we decided to make this series anyway, because the problems presented there are very relevant now, and I hope that at least someone will think about them and treat friends and classmates differently. What if there's a girl like Hannah among them?
@LouisloveHarry: I don't think Skye was next, she kind of made it clear that she thinks suicide is a dumb choice for weaklings, she looks stronger. The fact that Clay remembered her was like emphasizing the whole theme of the series - pay more attention to your friends/ family, because even a small conversation can save a person.
Probably, the author of the comment made this conclusion based on the book he read, because it almost explicitly states this on the last page. If I'm not mistaken, Clay remembers what Z looked like. Hannah on her last day, her doomed walk.. And he notices a girl in the crowd with the same look, with the same gait; he calls out to her.
@OneMoreShepard: Skye has cut herself many times, she seems to have been through a lot too and feels lonely. Yes, she said that "suicide is for weaklings." and Hannah sent Clay away when she wanted him to stay. words alone are not enough to understand the situation, and this is also shown in the series. and Skye also said about her scars: "this is what you do to avoid suicide." that is, she didn't just have suicidal thoughts, like most people probably do. it came to self harm. so Skye, by all accounts, even by the ones that were shown in the series (I haven't read the book), could be next. for this reason, I'm sorry that Clay didn't think about Alex, who was also clearly in a depressed, deeply depressed state, as well as Tyler, whom he humiliated himself. But Clay is not a saint or a hero, unfortunately, to save everyone. I hope Alex survives, because he was my favorite character after Clay.
@OneMoreShepard: To me, it looked like Clay was reassessing his behavior. He saw how stupid it was that he loved Hannah, she loved him, but they were both stupid, afraid, hesitant, hesitant, and as a result, they missed their chance forever, so he began to do what he really wanted while he had time, and not waste his already short life on doubts..
@nens8_8y: In the book, I don't know, but in the series, there was a moment when Clay and Skye discuss their past relationship and she says that he turned away from her and didn't say a word. And he was like, I didn't know what to say. I think Clay now understands that such a small thing in his behavior can lead to big problems in Skye's mind and corrects his behavior. Not only communicate more openly with those who are attracted to you, but also be more attentive to people.
@OneMoreShepard: you all didn't understand what Skye meant by "this is suicide for weaklings." Suicide itself is not for weaklings. and cutting a vein across is for a weakling. In this case, the blood will flow slowly and you will be saved. How can you be weak by killing yourself? It's incredibly difficult.
I really regret that the series cannot be rated more than a five here. I was drawn into it from the very first minute. Every episode broke my heart. But it was still painfully beautiful. "Live" characters, excellent acting, excellent shooting, atmospheric soundtracks. This series tells not only about what can make a person break down, but also about what can make them live. About how valuable everyone's life is. Everyone must watch!
A lot of problems are raised in the series: the indifference of others, the attitude of adults, drugs, even the sale of weapons (how can a teenager easily assemble an arsenal?). The suicide scene was filmed....I don't even know... incredibly and very much amazing! I've been roaring all the recent episodes( It can take a long time to describe the series, the actors, the characters, and at the same time it is incredibly difficult, because a whole storm of emotions is raging. All I can say is that this series, like the tapes, needs to be watched to the end in order for the story to develop, in order to understand Hannah's condition, whatever...I don't even know....This series just needs to be watched!
And still, it seems to me that in the end she didn't really want to live and give life a chance. Well, what do you mean, "I'll give you just one." Fight it, damn it. Go and report the rape, tell your parents, talk to Jessica, stop complaining about Clay, he even came up on his own! In general, my mother always told me that "there is nothing worth committing suicide over, come to me and we will sort everything out." Hannah's mom also looked quite understanding. So the girl is really drama queen.
@yoggik: by the way, I also didn't understand why, during the entire series, she never once tried to just talk with her mother, at least on abstract topics, in order to fill the need for communication.her mother never pushed her away, her parents even suffered the loss of money relatively calmly) I agree with your mother, but I still think that not everyone could survive rape, so this reason seems logical for suicide, but only this one. In my opinion, Hannah just drove herself into depression from the start.yes, some of the problems with the tapes were unpleasant and overwhelming, but some of it was just that someone didn't guess what Hannah was thinking, saying the opposite) she herself made very few attempts to improve her life, ignoring her own experience and the experience of others. Hannah is not to blame for the rape, but for the most part she is to blame for her own depressing moral state, in which rape simply cannot survive, of course.
@АлинаКипр: Uh, so if someone falls asleep on the couch with the TV on, then the person is shit? That's the logic.. Rather, the problem was that her parents were always preoccupied with her when she went to a party, she tried to find reasons not to go there anyway (she told her mother that she had to do a lot of homework, etc.), to which her mother replied only "if you want, go, if you don't want, don't go." and letting my daughter walk alone on the street at night is also so-so.
@АлинаКипр: This scene was about something else altogether! That despite the difficulties with the business and the situation with the lost money, at the end of the day, Hannah's parents spend time together, hugging each other, at home. And Olivia, who was worried about problems during the day, can relax in the evening like a cat next to the man she loves.
OH, MY BELOVED ALEX, NO. Gentlemen, who have read the book, tell me that he will survive, please. Like almost any Netflix series, I watched it in one gulp, without getting enough sleep and skipping a couple. At first glance, it may seem that this is a simple school drama only for a teenage audience, but no: This is a topical story, with acute issues, artfully made in terms of visual narrative, with a really exciting plot and beautifully crafted characters. It reveals not only the problem of teenage suicide, it is an honest portrait of a modern high school student and the education system, and relationships between people, in principle. They are not used to talking about issues of loneliness, depression, guilt, and violence either in schools or in top TV series about schools. Thanks again to Netflix for the strong story and new faces.
@wow-lovely: In the book, the other characters hardly developed in any way, and Clay practically did not interact with them in any way, since he listened to all the tapes in one night. What happened to Alex, the guns in Tyler's trunk, the notes with Bryce, and much more were not in the book. It seems to me that this is the basis for the second season / film that will tell about the consequences of the tapes.
The bathroom scene is just something with something. When my parents came, I burst into tears. I felt terribly sorry for them all 13 episodes. I think it's selfish of her to put them through all this. Overall, the series is bombastic. Many thanks to the creators, because recently nothing has been so catchy.
@id391286369: I think this is one of the cruelest things you can do to your loved ones. If there's someone you love and you don't want to hurt them, then you need to keep living. Many people here sympathize with Hannah, and I kind of understand and sympathize with her, it seems like a lot of things have happened to her, but this is not the worst thing that could happen to a 16-year-old girl. Maybe I've just grown out of this age too long ago, but for me it all looks like a victory for youthful maximalism and an attempt to prove "look what you did to me, let it feel bad for you now, and you'll understand how I felt," but in fact Bryce has never repented, those who those who bullied her only got angry at her because of these tapes, and those who truly loved her suffered the most. Well, I feel sorry for Alex too. In short, the girl did a lot of things.
@id391286369: Unfortunately, this is understood only by those who have either already gone through this period, or have never been in it. at the moment when you want to commit suicide, it seems that no one cares. I myself once thought/hoped that no one would be particularly sad if I suddenly died. now I have more or less overcome it and I understand that it is not true, but then - no.
@theeastwind: I liked that scene too.she looks very natural somehow: all this fear and pain of hers.She looked like a little kid, and for the first time in the last few episodes, I really felt sorry for Hannah, because there was desperation in that particular scene.
The suicide scene was very hard to watch. This series left me completely devastated, as did the book at the time. Considering how many new and unfinished storylines have been added to the film adaptation, I think there will be a second season.
It's an emotional meat grinder, not a TV series. In the end, I felt like Clay-beaten, but relieved. It's a blessing that they came to their senses, and if not everyone acknowledged the existence of the tapes, they still told us something. With the notes and testimony from Justin and Jessica and Counselor and Bryce, heads should definitely be flying. I can't even imagine what Hannah's parents must feel after listening to the tapes: relief that Hannah's death wasn't gratuitous and they found out the truth, or horror that they didn't notice anything. The suicide scene is simple... I dunno, I haven't writhed in a chair like this while watching 127 Hours and cutting off my arm with a blunt Chinese knife. And for all those who blame Hannah for not going to the police.: You heard the counselor if the girl wasn't screaming or twitching because she was paralyzed by fear, like everything was normal and nothing happened. All over the world, rape victims do not go to the police because of the shame and the nightmarish process when you need to tell everything in detail, go through the examination, and they may not believe you. Shame is the key word. Being in a deep depression at the time of the rape, Hannah, it seems to me, simply stopped feeling like a human being. She didn't feel like she was alive, or that her life meant anything to anyone. In this state, a person, yes, seriously thinks that his family will be better off without him. When you ride an attraction, I do not know, and you are afraid that it will collapse, do you understand that this is a stupid irrational fear? But you can't help yourself. A person can simultaneously understand one thing with his mind, but experience something completely different, and reason will not help in any way. In short, guys, if you think that Hannah is a fool and the reasons are bullshit, then you are unlikely to commit suicide. But for God's sake, take this series into service. Be kinder to people. Keep an eye on your friends and children. Yes, even such "bullshit" can push a person to commit suicide, remember this and help people in need.
@niktss: in principle, it would seem that yes, the story arc is over and so on, but knowing Netflix, I think they will make it so that it is not only watchable, but also as worthy as season 1.
@niktss: I will join you, because there is already a complete and complete story, plus I personally am not particularly interested in the topic of mass shooting, there are films in which it is perfectly revealed.
@DorianGrey: I didn't watch the elephant, the Class immediately comes to mind, especially since the harassment process itself is much tougher there, I even remember watching an additional mini-series in which they already talked about what happened to the survivors of mass scouting, although it went less cheerfully than the film. She also remembers the Whole life before her eyes, where the main focus is already shifting to the victim who accidentally fell under the distribution. In the first season of AHS, this topic was also touched upon, although this is not the main point of the series.
The ending is creepy. It's a very, very difficult series. Squeezes out all the emotions. After it, I just want to sit, be silent and come to my senses. The suicide scene is just a nightmare, it gets creepy from such realism. It's good that they are currently filming TV series on such relevant topics for many. After all, many people have been through this, but not everyone can survive it. Many people, like Hannah, decide to leave... And so, maybe the series will reach someone. The best new product of the year so far.
Have you noticed the play of light? Not just in the psychologist's office, but throughout the series. It seemed to me that this shows Hannah as such a ray of sunshine, because all the memories on the tapes, as well as the mentions of Hannah (the locker at the beginning of the series), are very vivid. Even rape. But the present is in muted black and gray tones.
@vk536693: This made it easier for me personally to distinguish between reality and flashback when watching. I think that was the idea of the authors (+ Clay's scar on his forehead).
Skye is cool, and the final episodes held the bar, that's right. Do I want to see why one guy kept a gun while the other shot himself in the head? Not really, to be honest. It seems to me that they shouldn't have started these plots at all. To say something else... Oh, right, Sky is sooooooo cool, we didn't spend much time on this ray of sunshine :)
The hardest and scariest scene was not even the scene of Hannah's suicide (it was more scary physiologically), but the next one, when her mother enters this bathroom. The way the actress played it — for real, without overplaying, falseness and pathos, the way she stammered, saying "nine-one-one", as she hoped that her daughter was still alive - made some string in my heart break. You sit in a stupor and can't breathe, realizing that there is nothing more terrible than seeing the death of the person you love. After this series, it's impossible to eat, sleep, talk, or think about anything... All emotions are spent, there is an emptiness in the soul — after such a shock, a recharge is needed. Hopefully, this is not in vain, and such works can make us more empathetic and good people.
These teenagers are stupid people after all)) I was there myself, I know. Everything that happened here with them, absolutely everything, can be easily experienced. Guys! Attention!! children 12-17 years old. Please don't take the bathroom scene as a beginner's guide! Also, don't take the main character herself as an example. You don't need to give people semi-transparent hints and expect them to run after you and fall on their knees. People can't read your mind. Only you are responsible for yourself and your life. If you have loving parents, then you are lucky, but even they are not omnipotent. Therefore, it is very important to love yourself and help yourself. If you have problems, don't be silent and don't beat around the bush. Tell people what's bothering you. And if practicing psychologists also happen to come here, I'm contacting you. Don't be like that black school doctor))0) more responsible, adults, more responsible.
@Groundjke: Okay, I didn't quite put it right, I'll paraphrase: "rape after a long trauma can be forgotten or ignored, as advised by a psychologist?" We can't understand Hannah because we haven't been in her shoes. I think suicide is not an option, but she considered it the easiest way to get rid of problems. It's just that katy_mc_gann's comment sounded like "what stupid problems, it's easy to forget everything"
@katy_mc_gann: well, let's not forget that She climbed into the Jacuzzi with Zach and her friend and Jessica and Justin, and only when everyone quietly left, and She was either thinking or dozing off, this scum climbed into her Jacuzzi. So she definitely didn't mess with him.
@Margo_Darling: how you fucked up everything. YES, you can get over it, I got over it without batting an eye. Hannah is a dumb, weak, vindictive creature, and that love line "oh my, what soulmates they are, let's cry" is just so fucking cheap.
@DorianGrey: Were they her friends or something? According to her and based on past episodes, these people are not just her former friends, but people who hurt her and generally turned her life into hell. And after a party where her "friend" is raped, she shows up at the rapist's party. And she jumps in her underwear in the Jacuzzi, to the people who bullied her at the party, who raped her friend. Show me at least one point where there is logic in the actions of the main character.
@NickRockStar: "were they her friends or something?" Either you didn't watch the episode carefully, or you misunderstood it. She drew her scheme after the rape, that is, at the moment when she came to Bryce's party, she did not think about whether they were friends or people who had harmed her, for her they were just classmates with whom there had been misunderstandings in the past. And after Bryce and this scheme, she came to the conclusion that everything went wrong precisely because of the actions of these people.
@yck7vjcvo5df: very convenient. Before the rape, they were her friends, but after the rape, they stopped being her friends and became almost the culprits of her death. Is this fact funny to anyone, or just to me?
@katy_mc_gann: or maybe it's better to look at everything from a different angle and instead of putting the stigma of a "bad example" on the main character, maybe it's better to advise these "guys" not to be insensitive, selfish bastards like those who, through their reckless actions, brought the poor girl to all this horror? What happened to Hannah is terrible, I don't disagree. But you can't turn a blind eye to the other side of the problem, and justify the people who caused this whole nightmare.
I mean, first of all, let's teach children to be kinder and more attentive to each other, to show sensitivity and compassion. And then there will be no question of any suicides (for the most part).
@grim_reminder: In the world of pink ponies. There are no "queues" in the real world. And this applies not only to children. In general, everyone needs to be kinder and more attentive to each other on the one hand. And don't follow the bad example of suicides with another one. And your comment is accusatory. Don't do that. There may also be impressionable people among the readers who will move from one category to another.
it's been a long time since I've captured the series like this, I watched it in a couple of days, and I see from the comments that I'm not the only one)
I'm just thrown out of reality. I do not know what it was at all. There were no tears, just a lump in my throat, silence and fucking. First, the whole suicide scene, then how Hannah's parents found her. It was all sickeningly painful. I love Netflix, and I take my hat off to NewStudeo. I'm not going to talk about what the reasons were and so on, there's been a lot of talk about it, but I'd like to highlight some points. 1. Is Bryce dumb? Or what? These are his words to Justin: "what have you done right now?" "What the fuck?" Does he really not understand what he's doing? Well, Rilly, he's just a fucked up dude. Does the grass not wear out of it already? I do not know how to react. Thanks to NewStudio and his way of translating, I just laughed hysterically at Bryce's behavior (I finally remembered his name). I do not know what else to add, but I repeat that he is finished. 2. Hannah, my sweet, sweet Hannah. Why didn't you just go up to Clay and tell him you needed him? Zainka, why are you so dumb? Why did you seek solace from some assholes and leftist people if you could go to him and tell him why you behaved like that at the party? Why didn't you just say, "Hi, Clay. I'm completely destroyed and broken. I love you. I need you." Why am I sitting here right now, thinking about things that won't happen in this story, and I want to burst into tears because of it? So much has not been said, so much has not been done. Hannah, you made the wrong move.
3. Justin can be understood a bit. Or it was axed at the end. He lives in a situation that affects the brain. He saw Bryce as a kind of salvation. At the party, Justin was drunk, high and abandoned by his mother, he was not himself. That's why he did such a shitty thing, allowed me to do something that wasn't good at all. The fact that he initially covered for Bryce may be justified by the fact that if the rapist "surrendered", all the characters on the tapes would suffer, and Justin was the first to listen to the recordings. Then we see how Clay, Jess, the whole situation with his mother, Alex, Justin realizes that he has let everything go through his pussy. In episodes 11, 12 and 13, I feel for Justin, seriously. I actually thought it all started with him, and it would end with him when he took the gun.
Speaking of guns. At the end of the last episode, they showed an ambulance and a bullet in the head. I've been wondering who it is for a long time. Watching episode 13, I thought it was a flash forward. There were several options: Tyler shot himself or shot Clay, Justin shot himself or shot Bryce, or maybe Clay, Bryce shot Clay because of the tapes. But the bitch!!!! I did not expect such a turn. When Tyler (the fucking faggot, the most infuriating Persian) took a photo of Alex, I thought he had shot Alex. The immediate question is: for what? Snot, growing anxiety, and the director with bad news. Damn, my sunshine of the series!!! I sincerely hope that there will be a season 2, and sweet Alex, who, by the way, has been on Clay and Hannah's side all this time, wanted to admit that he will live. Well, we need to find out what's going on with Tyler, what the Bakers will get in the end, and other innuendos. It's a damn terrible show! I hate you, Netflix!
@Margo_Darling: Yes, it seems to me that Tyler wants to arrange a shootout at school, they showed us such an arsenal of weapons for a reason. And I took Alex's photo because he was already drunk, roughly speaking. I really can't remember what Clay did to Tyler, because there was a photo of him too..
@Margo_Darling: Yes, I also noticed Bryce's behavior, to be honest, I didn't even expect this from him, he seemed a bit of an asshole, but a nice dude. It didn't seem to me that Justin would end up being the bad guy. And so, yes, it turns out that he just has such a worldview and attitude towards women, you'd think that she was squirming and crying, she still wants a piece of information. This, by the way, is one of the most frightening moments of the series, because Bryce does not understand what he is really doing.
@Margo_Darling: about the 2 points. Hannah came up to Clay after the party, all in tears, wanted to talk to him, and he sent her, said that she was hysterical and drawing attention to herself (it was about the death of his friend, who was shot down indirectly because of Hannah). In general, I don't think Hannah is stupid. It just happened that way, really the butterfly effect that she talked about in the first episode. It all started with little things and began to snowball.
@sharen: Hannah didn't just push him away at the party, but expressed herself as if he had offended her, drove him away from her.we, who know the whole story, understand this behavior, but the guy who showed sympathy for the girl and saw sympathy in return was probably hurt and insulted.of course, he didn't want to talk to Hannah, maybe he just wanted to forget everything about her as soon as possible and look for another girl.plus the condition in which HE needed support, and Hannah came to seek support from him.
There's something else I didn't really understand. Tony just brought her this player, or whatever it's called. And, it seems, was not the reason. How did he listen to all those tapes then? And why did he say "we all killed her" when he hadn't done anything to her? Maybe I wasn't paying attention, of course.
@Miloslavova: In one episode, it was shown that before killing herself, she brought a box of cassettes to him. And "we all killed her," probably because he didn't have time to save her or didn't realize that something was wrong with her. After all, he immediately started listening to the first one, as she gave it to him, called their house, and when he ran/arrived, she was already wrapped in a body bag.
@Miss_Frank: On the contrary, Tony said he didn't come to the door right away. It took 45 minutes, and only then did he start listening. Maybe he thought if he had started as soon as he saw Hannah with the box at his house, he could have saved her from suicide.
One of the most emotionally intense series I've ever seen. It's been a long time since she couldn't get out of her head after watching an episode. Of course, there are still a lot of questions after the end. What was the fate of the guys from the tapes, in particular Bryce's asshole? I hope he was brought to justice after all. Alex's suicide was a complete surprise. He seemed to be the most normal of the group, the only one who said that Hannah was telling the truth on her notes and was aware of his guilt. At the end of the twelfth episode, on the episode with the ambulance, I thought at first that someone had killed Clay, but no. Why did Alex do this? Where and with whom was Justin left, completely broken by the end of the series? Why would Tyler need a gun? Why did he take Alex's photo? Did Hannah's parents win a court case against the school? What was the psychologist's condition after listening to the tapes? At the moment of Hannah's suicide, my heart seemed ready to stop. The pain from the cuts was felt physically on his own body. I watched, mostly with my eyes squeezed shut, because it was eerily realistic. The moment her parents entered the bathroom destroyed my composure altogether. The actors conveyed the atmosphere wonderfully. And, actually, I would like to add that after this series, the desire to live increased. It seems to me that through the pain and experiences of the characters, it is shown more than clearly that suicide is not always an option, and that you need to be kind to everyone and appreciate those who are dear to you, because you never know what this or that person is going through.
I'm not going to condemn Hannah's act, and I'm not going to prove why it's pointless, like the commentators on this site, either, because our lives belong only to us, not to our parents, not to our friends, not to acquaintances, not to ill-wishers. Only we are allowed to decide what to do with it. If a person decided to kill himself, this is his right, because, no matter what they say, you also need to have a lot of strength for suicide, and if this happened, it means that the reasons for a particular person were quite weighty, even if those who probably never thought about self-harming do not think so. In my opinion, not everyone is ready to commit suicide without fear of pain or consequences in case of rescue. And the attempts to prove why Hannah had no reason to kill herself prove once again that not everyone who has watched the series has been in a situation where death seems to be the only way out.
God, poor Alex. I want to believe that he is alive, but the director's words about a "headshot" do not inspire much hope. Of all the guys, he is the most adequate - it was he who was aware of his guilt from the very beginning and wanted to confess to the police, unlike other guys who were worried only about themselves. He felt sorry for Hannah and he himself said that he was very sorry about the list that he had made out of stupidity. Clay's a good guy too, I hope he's okay. I'm glad that Hannah's parents found out about the tapes, so the police will now find out too. But now there are more questions, the answers to which can only be seen in season 2. Hopefully the series will be renewed and we'll see how fucking Bryce rots in prison. And I still hope that Alex is alive, well, I really liked his character.
the series turned out to be much heavier than the book. But that's a good thing. the scene of Hannah in the bathtub. I really liked the fact that they didn't add tragic music or anything. after all, there is no such thing in life. When my parents came in, my heart just stopped.
the bathroom scene was shown so believably and eerily that I started shaking and had to press pause to calm down and overcome further minutes. It's really scary and my heart hurts
@embarrassed: I always wonder, how do you assess the plausibility in such scenes? Have you ever seen anything like it in your life? or if the blood is the right color, then it's already normal?
At first, I wanted to skip the series, thinking it was just a regular teen drama, but something made me watch the first episode. And it was very good. The season flew by unnoticed, everything is so vivid, believable and terrible that there are no words. The suicide scene is just gut-wrenching, so realistic. By the end, I couldn't help but cry. Even Justin, who started it all, began to feel sorry for. And Alex, I didn't immediately understand why he did it. I really liked the new actors. Thanks to Netflix for one more year. But I hope that there will be no continuation. Everything is more or less over, although, of course, I would like to see Bryce imprisoned for what he did.
It's a shame, but as a series it's a very mediocre average, although it could make a good two-hour film about the "difficulties of being" a teenager. About the same as the book "I Breathe!", which was fiercely popular with us at the age of Hannah and her peers: it was also two hours of reading, and it was the same as "13 reasons" - about the overwhelming youthful pseudo-sensitivity, the exceptional receptivity of the "truth of life" and other things that "adults cannot understand". The theme is extremely well-worn, and this series has failed to bring any novelty or originality to the subject. A decent, unobtrusive cast game, a pleasant soundtrack - that's probably all the advantages. Of course, the main reason for the "mediocrity" is in the script, because from the camerawork point of view, you can't find fault, and from the director's point of view, it's only in terms of choosing a script. There are a lot of social teen dramas, like "The House in which..." or "The Young World" - but Netflix, apparently, is not up to it yet. The series is a troyban, for Netflix this is a completely passing job - fortunately, the multi-season scenario is not supposed to be.
Before episode 9, the series was like a backdrop for me. I was really looking forward to it, but it seemed boring to me. From episode 9 onwards, I was so immersed in this series, it amazed me so much that after watching the last episode, I went into these thoughts with my head. For me, the topic of suicide is very close for some reason, and the moment of cutting the veins was very difficult to watch. But Netflix, thank you for this, thank you for bringing up such important topics. Narcissistic bastards like Bryce cause good people to suffer, and unfortunately, everything in life is the same. When there was a scene in the ambulance where they were talking about a bullet wound to the head, I was sure that it was either Justin who tried to commit suicide, or he shot Bryce. But Alex? I didn't expect this at all. Will there be a second season? And is a second season needed? It seems like there is a groundwork, but it seems like the essence has been conveyed and the series is over. Well, let's see.
@polinasadchenko: Why would Tyler need a bunch of weapons, what the Bakers and the culprits ended up with, and what eventually became of Alex?.Not a second season, but a two-hour special episode would be nice.
@Margo_Darling: Yes, I agree that it would not be worth stretching for the season. It's strange that the series seems to have come to a logical conclusion, but about the same Alex, Tyler, Justin added clues for the future.
@Margo_Darling: Tyler came to school with a gun and shot all the culprits except Alex, including Clay, or at least tried to. The Bakers used the flash drive as proof to press charges against Bryce. You have a carte blanche of 13 shades of conscience and a perfect open ending, but do you want a second season? Seriously?
The only episode worth watching is the retelling of what happened in the first few minutes of the series, and then it's revealed.
Tony is such a good guy that :(((
Jessica is very sorry. "Dad? I have something to tell you." As far as I remember, her father was portrayed as strict, but he's hardly an abuser like Justin's family, and he'll understand and support her.
Hannah, who "he's not following me, his doors are closed" is such a dumbass. I hate all these teen dramas and people who can't think. I understand perfectly well that no one understands children, and what problems they may have, and blablabla. But if she wanted to ask for help, she would have gone to her parents rather than to the school psychologist. She has normal, understanding parents! They would have supported her. I really feel sorry for them.
As a result: a mix of the films "It's good to be quiet" and "It's Kind of a Funny Story" with the game "Life is strange". There are some throw-ins, like in the game, and about the same theme. It's more interesting to watch about adult depression and suicide, especially when the characters aren't so dumb.
I watched this game and I feel like Dobby, who was given a sock: Dobby is free. The devil knows how people WATCHED it, I was watching the whole series.
Oh, and one last thing: if the film adaptation is better than the book, and everyone says it is, how shitty should the book be? Wow, it's simple. :)
@youarebymyside: What does stupidity have to do with it, fuckers? Hannah obviously had a mental disorder, like depression, which appears precisely because of a series of misfortunes, and not because of a specific one. And the self-intoxication was committed in full awareness, and not in a state of passion. She went to a psychologist because that's what they go to psychologists and psychiatrists for, isn't it logical? And for a teenager to go to an adult with such problems is generally a rare phenomenon, but he also started victimizing on the spot. And yes, you were shown 20 scenes explaining why Hannah didn't go to her parents, isn't that enough? It was necessary not to scroll, but to watch, then there would be no questions.
Here's another great series over. it was incredible, as if you yourself were a student of this school and watching all the events in real time.
netflix continues to delight. Obviously, the series is based on the book, and very skillfully and efficiently. The main thing is that they don't shoot the sequel, because they'll ruin everything with it.
and the series has a huge 5 out of 5 and an honorable place in the list of favorites.
Well, that's not exactly how it works in the book. There's Hannah's narration and Clay's parallel thoughts, listening to tapes and wandering through places on the map. Sometimes he stopped listening, as there were minor events and dialogues with minor characters. He ended up listening to the tapes and walking away, and then a day later at school he saw Skye and realized that she was in a similar situation to Hannah, and called her.
Actually, the book started with Clay mailing the tapes down the list to Jenny (her name is Shari in the series for some reason) (and yes, in the book "reasons" in a different order), then he starts explaining what's going on, and like the narration of the story begins, which ends like this As we said above, Clay notices Skye in the hallway, and she looks as depressed as Hannah did in the last days of her life, and he decides to save her. That's all, there was no investigation, he hadn't talked to anyone since then, except Tony, and no one else had killed themselves.
1. Initially, I was waiting for the series and realized that it would be a very cool series, because of the NETFLIX GODS. After watching episode 1, wtf dramma queen 80 lvl.
2. But after the second one, how did I get involved. This is definitely a foundation for success and the Golden Globe because This is a NEW ORIGINAL SERIES, i.e. not a continuation of the old series that no one needs anymore, which is being made for money.(there are 100 such series, believe me)
3. In fact, "everything", i.e. almost all the characters are spelled out perfectly, not the sledge "CW" where everything is very bad, you know...
4. To be honest, I haven't read the book, but again I looked at the reviews and surprisingly it looks almost incomparable against the background of the series
5. The atmosphere. Soundtracks. Visual transitions approx. (I touched the Helmet and the transition to a memory when Hannah called him a Helmet, and such transitions occur in every episode throughout the series and do not hurt the eyes.)
6. The most important thing is that most likely all of these are TOPICS that are discussed in the series. Abuse/bulling/rape/easy drugs/drinkandrive/responsibility/ignoring/suicide. For example, the NETFLIX platform is one of the most popular online viewers on the web. They can take responsibility and convey to large masses of people that all these problems exist and they are worth talking about and solving.
7. This is probably the strangest and most banal reason, but still. OH MY GOD, THE ACTORS ARE REAL, THEY LOOK LIKE SCHOOLCHILDREN AT LAST. (the main part of them)
8. SCENES of violence and suicide ARE EASY TO FUCK. I just want to go out on the balcony and smoke....
9. And in conclusion, I would like to say thank you that we live in the era of the INTERNET. where everything is FREE. AND THANKS FOR THE TRANSLATIONS OF THE SABBS. I will always insist on watching TV shows with SUBS if possible, otherwise almost the whole atmosphere disappears completely. and there are PROBLEMS WITH ACCESS...or by AIR... or well, you get it)))
P/S ALEX WHYYYYY!!! CYKA WHY???????? (if you read this, write in the comments who is your favorite character ^^ it will be nice to know^^)
@nemocandance: P, By the way, since you liked this topic, watch the movie Disconnect , almost the same thing, but the bias is more towards problems in society due to the Internet https://www.kinopoisk.ru/film/465649/
Beloved - honey Clay, of course, Tony is cool, and Alex was very hooked when he began to understand all the consequences of his actions. And when they told me about his suicide attempt at the end, I just jumped out of my chair. I really hope that everything will be fine :with
I was shaking a lot from the scene in the bathtub, I cried throughout the series, but then I just cried and it was incredibly hard to watch Hannah cut herself. It was as if it was all felt on me.. Terribly plausible. It's a very difficult series for me, but it quickly became one of my favorites. The actors are wonderful, the soundtrack is divine, the atmosphere is realistic.
I read the book about three years ago. To be honest, the picture, characters, phrases and events, or rather, their ideas, coincided with the thoughts when reading. Spectacular, strong, emotional, atmospheric.
The series will definitely be remembered by me for a long time. I didn't wait for him, I didn't read the book, but I decided to watch it only because of Selena Gomez, because I heard that she produced the series, which she spoke about with great pride. I want to say that I will never be able to understand Hannah, and throughout the episodes, I tearfully thought only of her poor parents, who absolutely did not deserve this, but it is very, very difficult to feel sorry for Hannah herself. Yes, she had to go through some shitty moments, but who doesn't? How could anyone, being such a seemingly normal, reasonable, intelligent girl, want to end her life for these reasons? This is a high school. Who even remembers about her, starting right after graduation? How could Hannah not understand that? How could you love Clay, and instead of trying to start a normal relationship with him and focus on some hobby, decide to do this? And that's with such good parents. How could she not even leave a note for them, how could she not mention them at all? I've been thinking about that the whole series. I also admired the game of Dylan Minnett and his strongest character Clay. I wanted to hate Hannah not only because of what she put her parents through, but also this poor guy. What did he do to deserve all this? But not only did he listen to it all, he also did so many things that "Hannah would have wanted." An amazing character who will stay in my thoughts for a long time. And in this whole story, I really want him to be happy the most.
A well-told story is addictive from the first episode. It's a beautiful picture. Excellent acting by some of the characters, especially Hannah's mother. The topic of school relationships and teenage suicide is also relevant. Among the disadvantages, I would note many illogicalities in the actions of the main character and her inconsistency with the image of an adequate offscreen narrator. Well, the stereotypical propaganda cliches of the left-liberal camp: a multiracial hodgepodge of actors, There are more than half a dozen homosexual characters out of the so small total, and the main villain is a healthy, rich, heterosexual white man.
The main character here is Clay, not Hannah (because he is the one who gains strength and confidence and develops as a person in the process of learning all this shit). All the participants formed Hannah's views on life, Hannah's actions help everyone else to form their views on life, everything is looped, logical, clear ending, what else can I say.
@multipassport: Hannah ruined everyone's life with her selfish act, especially Alex, who followed her example and drank himself in. What can we say about parents who have lost the meaning of life?
It's been a long time since I've seen such an emotionally heavy series. The story is absorbing just from the first episode. After such things, it's generally hard to start watching something else, there are too many thoughts in my head that just won't let go. Thanks to Netflix for such a wonderful series♥
Simply...There are no words, seriously. I kept myself in control as best I could, honestly. I ignored the suicide scene of Hannah, because I didn't even expect such an effect of the "reality" of what was happening. The actors played 100%, each conveyed the character and emotions of their character to the fullest. I think it was the right decision not to cast Selena as Hannah. I can't even imagine anyone else in this role now. I remember the footage showing happy Hannah and Clay holding hands, overcoming difficulties together. And it becomes so...Not sad, no. This word is not enough to describe the weight that I felt on my shoulders, on my soul, on my heart after the closing credits. I don't think I can let go of this story so easily after I've "carried" it through myself.
It was something very cool! I'm really sorry that I couldn't watch this series when I was still in school. We were actually so violent, sometimes deep and a couple just "dead." I wish this hadn't happened to anyone, I wish as many people as possible had seen this series and understood what they were just "shouting" about, BUT I'm afraid many wouldn't hear anything. Very sorry.
Thank you so much for the work of Netflix and thank you so much, and a bow to the person who put a lot of effort into making this series - Selena Gomez.
The story is about how I started watching the series right from episode 13, since the last episode of the season was in the player by default. It's lovely, but you don't have to watch the previous 12 episodes. : That is, the last episode came out so punchy and exhaustive that I was emotionally shaken up enough to not watch anything else (and this does not negate my bewilderment, because the most epic spoiler in the history of my film reviews happened)
When watching the series, I couldn't bring myself to realize that Hannah was dead after all. She talked to us through cassettes all season, but when my parents turned them on, it dawned on me that apart from the cassettes, they wouldn't hear her voice anywhere else. Just the one who says the same thing...
@Simamoto: - something happened, I want to tell you "Come on, tell me." "something happened. Something bad. "Were you raped?" "I don't know "Did you resist?" "No," I said. "Did she say no?"
"tell me what happened." Who was it? "I can't tell you "tell me, and then I can help you." - No, I have a tape in my backpack. If you help me, the series won't work. "Damn, well, okay
@rombruns: "What happened?" - I won't tell you... - but what do you want from me? - (running out the door) CATCH UP with MINYA!!!1 - (looking tiredly after) fucking schoolchildren...
@rombruns, @Roland23: That's right :I'm even afraid of people with an unformed psyche (schoolchildren), and if I suddenly found myself in this teacher's place, I'd keep a bottle of whiskey in the table. And a gun. But he's a school psychologist. Even if he just completed an online course in order to work with teenagers, he should be prepared for just such an inadequacy.
@CaprichoMonstro: As for me, he did everything quite adequately. It's just that Hannah came to him for a magic wand, so that everything changed, Bryce was in prison, she had nothing to do with it. And the psychologist tried to explain to her that this was life, and rape would not go away from her memory, and that Bryce would not be imprisoned without her participation, and that she would have to fight for herself. To which she threw a tantrum and ran away.
If a person does not want to be helped, it is impossible to help him, and he will also pull on himself.
@Roland23: I agree that it is impossible to save someone who does not want to be saved. But I cannot agree that the psychologist has done enough. Look, if a teenager doesn't make contact, doesn't even want to come into the office to talk, but behaves suspiciously, what else can you do? The first thing that comes to my mind is to call my parents and talk to the teachers about attendance, academic performance, and other indicators. Hannah left his office, but as long as she's on school grounds, he and every teacher at the school are legally responsible for her. No need to run after her - find out if she went to the next scheduled lesson, if she reached home. And he stayed in his office to hatch the eggs. Moreover, he did not draw conclusions after the incident with Hannah. Who else did he "overlook"? Take Clay's goth girlfriend. Her appearance screams that she needs help. Yes, she cuts wreaths not lengthwise, but across, so as not to bleed to death. But that's not normal, is it, Alex?
@CaprichoMonstro: well, it's true here, of course, but however, in defense of the psychologist, I can say that he is trained for other problems. As he said, "at the school where I worked, the students were shooting at each other, not pulling strings."
@Roland23: Given the arsenal Tyler has gathered, there's a chance that the skills he acquired at that school will be useful to him. Maybe Mr. Porter will even become a hero.
@DorianGrey: But still a hero :D I mean, he's going to put himself in front of a couple of puny nerds, or he's going to step on an ambrosia trying to stop Tyler, or he's going to try to talk him out of it. In short, I believe that Mr. Porter is not a bad person, but a bad specialist. Plus, the pay is not that decent, plus the baby at home screams and shits. But after talking with Clay, the news about Alex's injury, and after listening to the tapes, he will perk up, and the scarlet cloak will fly in the wind :D
A lot has already been said, but I still have one question. It turns out that Hannah was telling the truth on the tapes, but what about the situation with the note to Zach? Did she really see what she wanted then (exaggerated), or were not all the secrets revealed? Maybe someone understood.
Every tear from the series is for Hannah. For the same fools. Like her. For confused teenagers like her. For the same kind of hemorrhoid friends and classmates like her, who themselves may need help in the wake. Just a minute. This whole series is just a scream, but not only for Hannah, but also for them, who are so cool and brutal. Today it sounds on an audio tape, and tomorrow it may sound like their voices. "Hello there! This is Hannah. I'm broadcasting live in stereo" How cute)Be sure to watch and cry. Just don't forget to get a supply of handkerchiefs.
99% of the enthusiastic comments are from girls. Everyone is crying and worried. I understand that there will be disadvantages now, but I will speak out. I started watching the series because it's Netflix. I didn't know anything about the book at all. Yes, I watched it to the end. Yes, it was stupidly interesting how it would end. Maybe she didn't die at all. But each episode burned more and more from her actions and motivations. The only clear reason is rape. But was it? The scene was shown not even from Hannah's words (which is not true), but as Clay presented it after listening to the tape. It seems that she herself had already given up on everything and simply did not resist. And then she got disgusted. Of course, this does not justify the actions of this duck, but nevertheless. The situation with the tapes is completely absurd. It doesn't seem like the actions of a broken, desperate man who wants to end everything as soon as possible. More like a calculated revenge plan. A plan after which another person committed suicide. A plan that has brought so much suffering to parents. And the choice of the tapes suggests that she was not right in the head. What we have in the bottom line. An unbalanced person has chosen a way to solve all their problems. Was that the only way? No. Was that the best way? No. Suicide in this situation is complete stupidity. It's hard to empathize with this. And when you don't empathize with the characters and don't understand the logic of their actions, it's hard to adequately evaluate the entire series.
PS: I remember one girl grabbed my balls at school. I also have big lips, and everyone noticed that when I was a kid. And somehow they got a snowball in their mouth, and everyone started laughing. And a high school student tripped me up when I was running. And in the ninth grade, my best friend stopped communicating. And the first love went to the one with whom that friend began to communicate. And in another week, my parents divorced, my grandmother died, and my girlfriend left me. So, where's my cassette player?
@rombruns: I wanted to write a final comment, but it's probably pointless now - I'll just subscribe to yours.
I will only add that the series is noted in general in all school problems and pulls all the triggers (mainly for the female half), and is expected to become one of the most discussed novelties. In the comments, too, the whole color of enlightened youth brings their education to the masses. Slatshaming, stalking, bullying and other harassment - all the novelties of recent seasons are displayed, and there is also a strong emphasis on "goat boys"!
The series simply splashes youthful maximalism and teenage resentments and uses the most popular trends and hashtags, and even pours hipster sauce on top. The whole soul of the series can be seen in the way the two characters discuss John Grady in one of the scenes - superficially, one-sidedly, and with obvious concern about sex (anyone who has read "Horses" will, of course, earn themselves a facepalm). The characters are poorly written, the director does not have the courage for many scenes, but he has the foresight to prepare more food for the shippers. An average TV series, but not without bright spots.
@Roland23: when you get over 20, you really look at all these teenage quirks with a grin, and then you remember how in your school the boys bullied the weak, dragged him around the floor and called him a "doormat", and you just looked at it and couldn't do anything because you're just an ordinary insecure She's a girl in herself; then you remember how classmates didn't talk to you for a whole year because you were a "nerd" who for some reason didn't want to solve their tests for them.. or how the boys smeared their hands with whitewash at recess, and then ran and whipped all the girls in the ass.. Now it all seems ridiculous, you look at the heroine and periodically think, "get a grip on yourself, you psycho!" ... but in those years when there was no life experience at all, all this was probably significant. Well, the vast majority of young people are superficial, prone to herd feelings and complexes, and also turned on sex - all this is much more realistic than a deep self-sufficient 16-year-old personality. In general, maybe it's not so bad for teenagers to watch this series. And for those who are older, well, you probably need to put aside skepticism a little bit, and be more loyal to all the girls crying over the series :D
@albinka_: Well, yes, universal sadness at the memory of school - it happens to me, too. But I don't know about this series... Here I remember our "Scarecrow" - there I just want to kill the damn classmates, although I understand with my mind that they are not so guilty, but anyway - uuuuuh, I would strangle! And the Scarecrow is insanely, tearfully pathetic, even now, after so many years. And here I look at Hannah - and I want to punch her in the head - come to your senses, girl! Pick up your snot and start taking responsibility for your life and your actions! And I don't want to kill her classmates (although they can handle it themselves). Well, that's why? And there's a girl, and there's a girl, and there's angry schoolchildren, and there's angry schoolchildren. And there she breaks down at the end, and here she breaks down at the end.
By the way, many commentators would do well to watch this movie, perhaps that's the point. For some, 13 PP is the first experience of this kind of story, and, like any first time, it seems the most impossible and mind-blowing. But for others, it's a repetition of the past, new skis on the old ski slope, so there are fewer emotions...
@Roland23: For me, the Estonian "Class" became such a "first experience". But the series is snotty and takes full advantage of the weaknesses of the gg in order to raise more topics and be closer to the people. But in 13PP there is neither serious bullying nor an adequate main character. Thank you for the excellent illustration of the psychotypes of modern youth, and in general it was interesting to see who would handle the situation. P.S. The KNSH adviser is not a professional in psychology (as he admitted), but making him super-guilty and dedicating the final tape is another childish act of the years. There are obvious parallels with the bed scene with Glue - they try to help you and find out the truth, you react rudely, it's unclear what you expect in response and then make people guilty. It's just that they're human. The adviser, of course, wanted to put the brakes on the matter, suggesting that "go ahead", everyone has fewer problems. And then without mentioning this meeting. people. She has only herself to blame.
In general, the point was that an ordinary school, even a good one, is prestigious, but children can still be depressed. And bullying on social media affects hormonal teenagers too much. Not to mention the rape (by the way, she was a virgin, wasn't she?) , but it's not visible from the outside.
When the harassment is clearly visible-injuries - it is easier to provide help. But here there was a complete misunderstanding and the girl felt non-existent and insignificant. Most of her inadequacies result from depression, she is rude to people all the time because cats are scratching at her soul and nothing pleases.
In general, it's just a series to show teenagers that they need to be more attentive and kinder to each other, because everyone is going through their own problems.
@Roland23: Strangle yourself, you stupid thing. At the age of 14, he didn't give a damn about people, what a bastard. It's not for nothing that the mug is like a pig's.
This series broke my heart and blew my brain. In the sense that you sympathize with the characters, but at the same time condemn them, the argument with yourself does not subside during the series. Everyone is constantly in suspense and intrigue. It's been a long time since I've watched a TV series without being distracted at least by my phone. One of the paintings that sticks in my memory because it evokes a lot of emotions. I think no one who watched it will remain indifferent.
So many rave reviews.. and less annoying people with the words "I read a book...", you've already been bored since the very first episode (of any series). The series is strong, I do not argue. Most of the characters are to blame for what happened – some less, some more. But the one who's really to blame is Hannah. What a *fucked up* thing she is! And it's good that there are fewer such people, honestly. Someone above said that she got smarter in the end. Seriously? Although, considering that she has rid the world of herself, then yes, it's a smart move. For the rest, it was all her fault that she went where she shouldn't, that she couldn't open her mouth, and so on and so forth. I can't understand how I feel after watching the entire series and the last episode. The only thing I missed was another half hour of the real finale, and not a car with a group of students driving off into the sunset. But, apparently, the second season will be filmed, where there will be new answers and new questions, and if not.. I don't even remember this series. In the meantime, the ending remains murky, where they continue to live with impunity.
when I turned on the last episode, I thought I would be able to write a decent comment expressing all the emotions. but after watching it, something doesn't work out. as they said more than once in the comments above, after such a series you just want to be silent. and think about it.
to be honest, I took on the series with some apprehension — yes, Netflix inspires confidence, but TV shows with teenagers themselves rarely turn out to be of high quality. After watching a couple of episodes, I realized how wrong I was: a wonderful series that was so addictive that I wanted to watch all the episodes in one gulp.
I haven't read the book (but after the series I wanted to correct this omission), so I can't judge the similarity of the plot. I also can't call the series long—running - the action unfolded slowly, giving the audience as much information as was needed for each reason.
I would like to mention this excellent idea of moving from memories to a gray, routine reality. and the soundtracks in the series are chosen just fine: my playlist has been replenished with several dozen atmospheric songs.
I would also like to highlight the cast. Not only did everyone play convincingly, but almost everyone looked really like schoolchildren. and this is important for a series about teenagers.
As for the sequel, I have conflicting feelings. common sense suggests that it is better to leave a finished story finished, especially considering that everything was filmed according to the book. but my inner curiosity still wants to find out what will happen to the characters. Will Alex survive? Will they put fucking Bryce away? What does Tyler intend to do?
Anyway, thanks to Netflix for this series, which is definitely worth watching.
The series is normal, in principle, everything is already described above, but I will add once again: what a stupid character the psychologist turned out to be (although there are a lot of not the smartest ones, even some of Hannah's actions, but he is just something), they made some kind of retard out of him. Okay, what all the guys did (except Bryce), let's say (well, let's imagine) that their reasons are really too serious, but individually they mean almost nothing. But the scene with the psychologist, when Hannah came to him, literally told him what had happened and showed that she was completely depressed and standing on the edge - here again his idiotic reaction like "mmm, what happened, everything is OK, move on," tin how such moments infuriate. It feels like if someone was already standing with a noose on the bedside table, and he asked if everything was okay and was told yes, he would calmly react and continue to do his business. The only thing that annoyed him more was the lesbian, not because she was a lesbian, of course, but because she was the nastiest of everyone in school (except Bryce ofk)
I was wondering which character this psychologist resembled throughout the series, only now I realized: Mr. Poe from 33 misfortunes from the same Netflix. He's about as stupid as a character who can't see anything, even if it's in front of his eyes)
@kobiii: The sad thing is that there are a lot of people and specialists like this psychologist. Moreover, they are taught to be like that. Speak according to scripts, smile like a brand, so that you don't get involved in other people's business and don't take work home. As they say: "It's nothing personal. It's a business",
I agree, this is scary, especially in schools, such template psychologists/ doctors / etc. work, they need to ask a few standard questions or perform some standard procedure, and that's it, and that's the end of their work. to delve into the situation with students / somehow help them - they don't do such things, most schoolchildren don't even think about contacting these people - because they know that they won't get help, and in some cases, the situation only worsens after contacting school psychologists, this is a fact. That's why I say, of course, they made a cardboard assistant out of this psychologist in the series, but after all, many real specialists are just like that ((
@kobiii: I even think that if they had shown a compassionate psychologist who couldn't sleep and was so worried about his wards, it would have been a fairy tale. That would be consistent with our, excuse me, "Soviet" stereotypes. And that's only for those who were at least born before 1991. Now the pay is hourly, or the salary is based on their working hours. Most of the employed people. And who wants to squirm for the sake of a greedy white bitch, with her "white" problems? I don't want to end my thought like that, but "No one gives a shit." In the original, in life, the victim is always to blame, suicides are weak egocentric posturers, there are no friends in principle, and the system does not work. And this series (if it is not renewed and the happy ending is not completed) is good because it does not give answers, but makes you think. About yourself and your loved ones, at least.
@kvelier: This "alleged" victim eventually committed suicide. Teenage problems are a common thing. and, of course, not everyone commits suicide because of them. but there are people who are more hurt by this than others because of the nature and environment in which they move and communicate. and the circumstances are developing in such a way that everything leads to such decisions. and if you don't help them in time, they will be lost exactly as shown in the series. From my point of view, everything is quite realistic.
@polinasadchenko: Ссылка есть в обсуждении эпизода beyond the reasons, но я Вам помогу: https://www2.thewatchseries.cc/13-reasons-why-season-1-episode-0
I was really looking forward to the series. When I watched the first episode, I thought I'd give it up, but then everything dragged on. Hannah was looking for her own problems in some situations. After each episode, I was afraid, remembering Tony's words: "It's only going to get worse." It turned out to be true..... Bryce. Oh, that cheeky face of his, the grin... The last episode. I watched, I watched. Suddenly, Hannah takes out the blades and I, realizing what was going to happen, just couldn't stand it - I took off my headphones and closed my eyes. I was shaking terribly..... But I really liked the series, I felt sorry for many of the characters((
I just want to point out how beautifully the scene of Hannah's suicide was shot. in complete silence, truthfully, dirty, painful, nothing superfluous. One of the strongest scenes in the whole series, I think.
There has been nothing stronger than the fragment after the call for a long time. Well, stop, see me, I'm here, I'm still there! And the people scattered.
@znaika: But they saw her, they stopped her, the guy from the poetry club who said that they miss her, that they even wrote poems in her honor - isn't that a reason to reconsider your choice?. But, apparently, she had already made up her mind completely, and it was unlikely that anything would really help her, and the fact that no one ran after her/stopped her/saved her was just an excuse for such an act. It's like in an old, not funny joke about a man who is drowning and prays to God for salvation, then a boat comes up with a man who says "get on board," and the man says "no, God will save me," the boat sails away, the man prays all the time, then a boat comes up, the same story. Here's a guy who drowned and asks God, "Why didn't you save me?" and he says, "You idiot, I sent two boats after you."
@albinka_: Oh, yes, I spit furiously. Yes, the girl didn't have the easiest life, but most teenagers experience the same thing. at least 11 of its causes are the usual teenage angst. Be friends with me, love me, I want to be popular, but I don't want to be. In short, a complete set of hormones walking through youth. Now they'll run into me and say that I'm blaming the victim for what happened to her (let me remind you, I'm talking about 11 of the 13 reasons), but in most of her "reasons" she also played an important role. There are always 2 sides. You can't be a victim in all situations. Regarding rape, yes, it can be called a valid reason. But then again, the way she decided to give herself one last chance... leave me alone! No. Keep up! Where are you going, leave me alone! No, follow me! Don't run after me! No one can read minds. People have a lot of their own problems, it's impossible to be attentive and look out for everyone who wants to commit suicide. Even if you're a school psychologist. By the way, I can't even say that he was incompetent about him. He tried to do his best. She didn't help him understand himself much either. And then she "accused" me on these tapes. And again it's "run after me, but I won't tell you anything anyway, and then I'll die anyway, but I'll record tapes with which I'll break a couple of people's lives/psyche." Well, in general, I can't say that I'm 100% sympathetic to the heroine. But I feel sorry for Clay, because he's really broken.
@Arumi: You're right. But still, she probably wasn't that strong-minded to do it. And the people nearby didn't help. It's not necessary to ask, to get into your head, you need to look closely at people, especially those close to you. Everything is solved by small things, unfortunately, a person can freak out from a minor problem and if he is not strong in spirit, he will break down. That's all. I just feel sorry for her anyway, that they didn't help her, that she gave up. And the tapes.. It's just a teenager's scream, hard... but the scream. "Have you seen it? Then I'll show you"
@freeromance: she was strong-minded enough to commit suicide and record incriminating tapes, to plan their journey from person to person, but not strong-minded enough to even talk to her parents, who, by the way, are wonderful people who loved their daughter dearly. She was quite strong-minded enough to neglect Clay, his friendship, and ignore him so many times, and then suddenly expect him to run after her and be interested in her every breath and look, while she herself would push him away and not rush to open up to him, but ran after people who "offended" her But she desperately wanted to be around them because they were popular and Clay wasn't. The joke is that 80% of teenagers experience similar problems (well, except for rape). It's not even bullying. This is life. But as it was said, she's just a drama queen who wanted everything to be about her, as they say. And the situation with the rape of a friend... And what did she do? She watched silently from the closet. She didn't try to talk to Jess, tell her, report the crime, go to the school psychologist, after all. She recorded a tape where she told EVERYONE about what happened to another person. Everyone except this very person. What if Jess, knowing what had happened, didn't want it to be public? It broke her, too. But no, we need to create drama. It's necessary to add a bunch of people who didn't really offend her that much, she just exaggerated the scale of the problems herself.
@freeromance: And the worst thing she did to her parents and Clay. Her parents loved her. They didn't care. It's just that their task is to take care not only of her entertainment, but also of her future. And she wasn't even eager to help them - the first time she was completely irresponsible about the simplest task, and then she wrung her hands about how useless it was and no one needed it. She trampled Clay down. And his feelings, and his psyche. The poor guy almost went crazy with grief (a little?). She just didn't want to admit that she had to take responsibility for her impulsive decisions. And her decision looked like "I'm going to die so that everyone will cry."
@Arumi: She was such a person, I don't justify her, of course, egocentrism went over the edge. It's just that it's always hard with people like that, and they're always in trouble. But such people have a place to be. The question is how and when they will break and for how long. Do you understand? Any factor, even a small one, influenced her. The Queen's complex is quite the same.The other person, as you correctly noted, goes through these problems in adolescence and does not bring himself to such stories. She attracted everything to herself, and we can see the result. I hope the series will give some people something to think about.
This is an insanely cool series and the end is such that you can think for yourself, it only scared the photographer's arsenal and all these types of goals more, and that Alex shot in the head, but if the photographer attempted and removed the photo as an already completed case or forgave him for standing up for it.
But that's not what it's all about, it's just a very atmospheric series. The characters, the sound, the staging, the editing, the sadness and the sadness of this series. It will definitely remain in the soul.
It's a pity that they didn't show the court whether Alex survived, why exactly he decided to do such an act. In short, this is a very difficult series, it makes me think , it's really hard for me after it, I changed 6 schools and there were such cases in each school, maybe not so cruel, but it all sticks, children and the world today is still very cruel
@Irada____: "why did he decide to do such an act?" because he was the only one in the cafe who said, "we all have to take responsibility for what we did"... and then in the evening my father comes and says, "I got you off, you don't have to go through all this.".and then Alex looks at himself in the mirror and is disgusted to look at himself because of his guilt.
It's an incredibly emotional series! I can't even tell you the exact number of times my heart has been torn apart. And now, with a tear-stained face, I sincerely hope that after watching this series, many will reconsider their behavior and try to change the revealed cruelty.
There are no words. The series shook up so much from the inside! ...I feel like I was mentally thrown under a truck, but I survived. The series draws in everything, from the little things like music and the image of a modern man with a tape recorder, to the moment when you begin to draw parallels with some of your life situations and immerse yourself in the analysis of yourself and the characters in general... I'm really glad I watched it. Very much! ps: as a fan of the band The Cure, I was in a wild mood when I started playing Fascination Street.
Noooooo, not Alex, please. I know he's not dead yet, but I'm still worried. Even when they were talking about a seventeen-year-old teenager who shot himself in the head at the beginning of the episode, I thought about either Justin or Alex. Justin could have, after the truth came out, Jess left him, he finally accepted Hannah's words on the tapes, admitted his guilt + problems at home, a stupid mother and beatings. When he stole the gun with the money from the house, she decided that either her mother's boyfriend had found him and shot him in the head, or he had suffered enough and decided to end it. And it would have been better that way, even though I felt a little sorry for Justin. But not Alex! He had been coming to this for a long time, admitted his guilt (which is not as great as it seems to him and Hannah), had already tried to reveal the truth, to deal with it, but after his father once again scolded him, he could not stand it. And so Jeff was killed, who appeared for a couple of seconds in the frame, but managed to be remembered and loved so much ( Just don't touch Zach, Tony, and Clay, please, or I won't be able to stand it. I really liked the way Clay, Alex, Zach, and Tony play. The moment Hannah's mom found her in the bathroom, Kate Walsh played it back by 1000%. It's not screaming, it's not hysterical, it's "it's okay, baby." As I understand it, Tyler decided to arrange his personal vendetta, given the arsenal he has in store. I decided to spare Alex because of the flashback, but there's no one else to really spare. P.S. and what makes everyone in the series think that Jessica is prettier than Hannah? Well, no way.
@Sheeva: Hannah honey, Jessica walking sex. I want to cuddle with Hannah, sleep with Jessica. That's why everyone in the show thinks Jessica is prettier than Hannah, in my opinion)
@Sheeva: What makes you think it's about beauty? Hannah is such a, ahem, peculiar girl in terms of behavior. By the way, what's remarkable about the series is that outwardly popular guys don't differ much from unpopular ones, and the girl who everyone around them thinks is a whore isn't in social isolation at all, someone is constantly talking to her, or trying to, and she's welcome at parties.
@Сьюзи_Q: I'm not talking about popularity depending on beauty, it's just that Hannah once asked Clay, "Do you think I have a chance to become at least a little as beautiful as Jessica?" (not literally, from memory). I was quite surprised by this remark, in fact, as well as Clay.
@Sheeva: I think this is a question not because everyone thinks Jessica is more beautiful than Hannah, but because Hannah made such a conclusion based on the fact that Alex's mutual friend fell in love with Jessica, but not with her, and she was left out.
An incredible series. The truthful, emotional plot, talented young actors led by Dylan Minnett as Clay, and the current theme of the series all make "13 Reasons Why" one of the most important television events of the year. There are simply no words.
And let there be a bunch of dislikes, the series is about nothing. Hannah is hysterical. The moment with her parents touched her soul, when they pulled her out of the bathroom, she did not think about the people closest to her. They showed us all season how good their relationship was, and then, because of some bullshit at school, Hannah committed suicide without even trying to solve the problems. By the way, there are suspicions about season 2. Our photographer / stalker collects weapons so intensively, it looks like there will be something like the movie "class", where teenagers killed half the school
@prison: well, yes, it's a stupid public site, with an audience almost twice as large as the number of registered users on Maishouse, for example)
A public video aimed mainly at teenagers and infantile youth - that is, it matches the audience of this series with 95 percent accuracy.
A public post in which the first posts about 13 reasons collected 3-5 thousand likes, and now everyone collects 10-12 thousand.
And that's with 18,000 watching it on "Mayshouse" at the moment.
Well, in the most commented, this series appeared only after it was "registered" in the Click.
If you had taken a moment to address the issue of the leading media among the youth audience, you would not have treated the "wretched vk publications" so superficially. You might as well say that TJ and MEDUZA are small magazines, and Evgeny Batikov is a slightly popular video blogger.
Oh, I'm not sure if my opinion is important to anyone, but here are the guys. You've caught someone, but why? that's their opinion. and the comments are for discussion, not for shit.someone wrote at the top that it's better to watch 100 Russian TV series and that these are smeared snot, they just didn't understand, didn't get into it, or wasn't in the right period for such a thing, but that's their opinion.and it's normal that yours may not match up with one. personally, I liked the series, but in some places it was absurd, although maybe I forgot how hard it is to be a teenager. the picture, the music, even the acting of some actors - 12 out of 10. I will be glad to continue. maybe I'll review it, because knowing the whole picture, you can observe the details.
@Don_Uki: People write comments, people put cons and pros. Because they can. Why is this surprising to you? There is a tool, people use it. Everything is normal and logical.
The last episode is very powerful and powerful! So many emotions and experiences. I honestly can't count how many times in those 50 minutes tears came to my eyes. Alex admitted his guilt, so it hurt me to hear that he was in the hospital. I am glad that this series talks about such important issues. I hope (and wait) for the second season :)
I watched the series, and I liked it. Hannah's story didn't seem as absurd to me as many people think. Everyone perceives betrayal and bullying in different ways. In this case, Hannah just couldn't handle it all, the rape was the last straw, and a conversation with a psychologist made it clear to her how it seemed to her that no one needed her and no one would stop her. She was trapped, she didn't want anyone else to hurt her, she didn't even contrast her actions, everything piled up one after another, and she didn't know what to do. I just didn't want to live like this, I thought that everything couldn't be changed, that everything would end badly. These are her feelings. People are different, in this case, it was her perception of everything that was happening, it put a lot of pressure on her, and therefore she had the guts to stop it. In my opinion, the series is good and the story is good, everything is just perfect. I would like to watch the sequel, to see how the guilty will be punished.
Hannah's act is bad for twins. Not only did she end her own life, she also blamed people who had somehow offended her along the way. If she had more time, she would have added a neighbor who didn't smile at her. It's strange that the barista didn't get there. The only people there who deserved to go through all this were Bryce, his friend who saw and hid everything, and the stalker who took pictures of her. And of course, Hannah herself, who also saw what Bryce did, but gave up on it. The psychologist explained everything to her, if you accuse Bryce, then OK, I'll help you in any way I can. And if you don't blame him, then of course nothing will happen to him and you will have to move on.
They wrote here that she was just looking for friends at the last party. But she came to the rapist's party. I stayed in the Jacuzzi undressed until the very end, waited until everyone left. Well, I don't understand what could have gone wrong...It's like jumping upside down off a couch without a helmet in the hope of not fracturing your skull.
And in the end, it ruined Alex's life, who shot himself because he didn't want to be friends with Hannah at some point. Well, it's not tinny.
Well, push all this shit on your friend...
And the way she blamed them all for her troubles. But her actions led to most of those things. She trusted cable football players who are simply associated with assholes who do not know how to respect others and should not expect decency from them by default. Or will he trust an unpleasant type (a journalist) after that? who I've never trusted.
And to include super inhumanity in this whole scheme of the main character. Who was kind and courteous to her until the last, despite her ruined reputation, the fact that she wanted to date half of the football team, absolutely not learning from the mistakes she made the previous week.
Tony should have given the tapes to the police right away so that Bryce would be arrested. And others would have moved on, having survived this tragedy without unnecessary complications.
By the end of the season, it became too difficult for her to empathize.
@Wefast: She also said that Alex's act is like a butterfly's wings flapping, which leads to a hurricane on the other side of the world, and that she hopes that her tapes will be the same butterfly's wings flapping, which will lead to major consequences. And so it turned out as she wanted.
It's a very difficult topic. there is a lot of dirt in the comments in the style of "self-blame", "prudent revenge" and similar things. I don't think that the act of a teenager who was so sensitive to everything that was happening around him can be assessed sensibly or not sensibly. hormones + age + a difficult life situation (I'm sorry, but to see a friend being raped, and later to experience it yourself is already totally fucked up) have done their job. Hannah should not be justified, this should not be encouraged, but I think no one has the right to rashly judge such a thing. of course, this is just a character in the series, but the very topic raised, through which thousands of similar situations in our real life are considered, speaks for itself.
We need to help each other. We need to support each other.
PS. violence is always the rapist's fault. in whatever form and in whatever place the victim was, this does not give the right to rape her. the stuffing is completely spontaneous, also written solely on emotions after watching. the actors played very well, there are no complaints about them.
@seraphine: >We need to help each other. We need to support each other. Well, start with yourself. support people who have a different opinion from yours, why did you call their opinion dirt? I really like "peacemakers" who behave like this.
@IrinkaP: What is it? What's the connection between people's support and what you're talking about? Do you think I should show sympathy to everyone who wrote about something else here, do you need it? :D how is this related to support in general? I expressed my emotions after watching it, and you made some strange conclusions.)
@seraphine: what an utter fool. "we need to help each other. we need to support each other,"God, fuck you. Here, take your manatees and go fuck yourself.
It's like I watched a TV series about myself. Thank God, (or whoever it is) what's on the last attempt (almost 13 entries) I found a specialist who had a death grip on me, otherwise I would have been like Hannah already.
I have strange feelings about this series right now. As someone who has been through 90% of what Hannah has been through, I understand her. But at the same time, it's all so stupid and shallow.
Ambivalent feelings.
and the cast is great. I really liked the backhand version with Tyler for season 2. About mass scouting.
The viewing experience is very ambiguous. The best thing about the series is its characters and their interactions. The actors did a great job. The picture and sound are good too. Everything is high-quality, without any visible problems. But the script let me down a bit. The plot is very good, but some actions of the characters with logic or with the instinct of self-preservation are not friends at all. A solid 4 out of 5 just for the stupidity of some points. Removing Shari from the blame and adding a little realism to some moments is a local masterpiece. I don't know why there's a second season. The story is over, everything that needs to be said has been said.
I'm 24, and I'm clearly no longer the target audience of this series. and even as a teenager, I've never been a fan of all these teen themes and movies/TV shows tied to school. and when my brother wrote to me enthusiastically, I read the description and strongly doubted that I would like it. but I liked it. I got stuck with my arms and legs in the first 10 minutes , a huge plus is the dynamism of the series. The further you go, the more intense it gets. the series doesn't sag , and, of course, the story itself. many girls will see themselves in Hannah. many will find themselves in other heroines. When Hannah had a conversation with the school psychologist in the last episode, she said that her parents should have a less problematic daughter. that she shouldn't be like that. and then I recognized myself. my words. word for word. only I somehow managed to get through it all then, and now I remember it only with a smile , and most importantly, I think, said Clay. We just need to be kinder and more attentive to each other. To look after and take care of. And there will be no reason why
I've been crying for most of the last episode. It's been almost a day, and I can't get Hannah out of my head.
@memorandum: I wish I was joking. This is how the publishing house released it. At first, I thought someone was kidding, like a fanboiler. No way. That's how the book sells...
@Grenada: Selena Gomez was originally supposed to play Hannah and promoted the project, but everything stalled pretty quickly, and the book was filmed only five years later. Nevertheless, Selena did not give up the book, but acted as an executive producer of this series.
This cover is from those times. Selena Gomez was at the peak of her popularity, and her name on the cover could really attract teenagers to read.
I don't understand why everyone is so outraged. It is standard practice to involve a teen star in the promotion of a teen book.
@Roland23: What are they outraged about? The fact that she is not the main actor. And yes, in the best traditions, the name of the star is indicated larger than the name of the author... Although money is everything.
@Roland23: even if Selena was on the cover, there would be no complaints. That's not the point at all. It just looks very cheap and ridiculous; the work of a 15-year-old teenager in Paint, not publishing houses.
@Roland23: Google verification has shown that your comment above is valid. The attached picture is the cover of the 14th edition, when everything written under the quote was still true.
The most important thing is that these 13 episodes made everyone think about something, look at life, their own and other people's, from a different angle. I'll just say that I don't regret the time I've spent. It was great, strong, emotionally overwhelming, and in some moments stupid, but nevertheless not in vain. Thank you for filming such things, thank you.
There are inconsistencies: in the first tapes, Hannah said that she would tell 13 reasons and what was wrong with replacing the old psychologist with Mr. Porter, hinting that his name would appear on the list. However, later it turns out that she recorded 12 tapes before meeting Porter. The second mystery is that Tony said that Hannah personally brought him the tapes, and Clay tells Porter that she sent the tapes by mail (although how would he even know?).Even if Clay came up with this in order to hide Tony, then why was it in the flashback to show that guy from the poetry club?..
@Mr_Persik: there were 2 (!) sets of cassettes - she sent one by mail so that the perpetrators would pass it on to each other, and left the second to Tony so that he would release it if someone from the list did not send the cassettes further.
I started watching the series, and the first episode intrigued me terribly. I thought about Hannah that she was very smart and calculating. According to the phrase "do as I say", I thought that a terrible game with cruel tasks would begin now in order to repay those who are to blame. I even thought that suicide was a setup, and in the end Hannah would come out of the shadows with the words "The key to the chain is in the bathroom" or "Its a prank, bro" or something like that.
As a result, there are no "interesting contests" - just the story of one suicide. Well, that's good. I accepted that and tuned into a different genre. And basically everything was fine with me. An excellent past-present montage; a good hanging intrigue; lively characters who had their own motives; touching scenes in which you could recognize yourself. Yes, I liked the series, 4/5. But, probably, the only and huge such disadvantage is Hannah. To say that I am disappointed in her (see above) is to say nothing. In almost every episode, I was burned by her actions, her reactions, and her thoughts...I could have written more about how "good" she is, but dozens of other comments have already done it for me.
So, one of the morals of this fable is this: suicide is for weaklings. Anyone can get drunk, but to gather all the strength, all the will into a fist and, despite all the problems of life, no matter how big they are, and continue to live - that's hardcore.
the series was very exciting, but I had very mixed emotions at the end. I really feel sorry for Hannah, for everything that happened to her, if she hadn't kept everything to herself and pushed away the person close to her (Clay), I think this would not have happened. It was obvious to these two that they were in love with each other, what a game of silence, why not confess their feelings???? one minute she drives him away, meaning that he stays; the other. At some points, I just rolled my eyes because I didn't understand her behavior, what about Potter, what about Clay. the message of the series is really very strong. "everyone you meet is fighting a battle you don't know anything about. Be kind. always."
P.S. I love color transition: bright and warm color in flashbacks, and dark in the "present"
The series is good. I shed a tear at the moment when Mom found Hannah. It's certainly terrible... a terrible scene with vein cutting, and it's so graphic. It's like a suicide manual on how to do it right. I feel sorry for the second girl who was raped, and the scene with her father also touched me.
In general, of course, the series is on 3ku. The reasons are far-fetched and sucked out of the finger, except for the key one, of course. It's not clear why Alex shot himself (and tried to drown himself) because he made a death list and blames himself so much. Damn, there's a list and a list. This is nonsense. This is one of the most imho unimportant reasons. The Korean girl's behavior is not clear, she told everyone until the last that Hannah was lying. That is, she kind of continued to claim that it wasn't her in the photo or something? To all those who listened to the recording, well, some kind of nonsense, of course. Considering that the photographer is at least a witness. Photographer killer is generally atas)))) the author, in my opinion, drifted somewhere in the end.
Imho, the series is not instructive by a gram. If a teenager who believes that no one loves him watches it, he can easily conclude that he can incriminate everyone and kill himself. Wow, it's going to be fun, they're all going to suffer and get killed afterwards. In general, the series (the book) is a great reason to encourage a teenager to commit suicide, it's like a suicide manual...
@KateBorz90: if you watch the special edition, it says why they decided to take it off and show everything "without embellishment." There's nothing romantic about it.
@Grenada: 12 of the 13 reasons are shown "with embellishments", for a mentally balanced person they should not be reasons to commit suicide at all. In my opinion, there are no embellishments here, except for the scene in the bathtub. But in vain.
The fact of the matter is that suicide in life is never romantic, as in the series. Such suffering and endless self-pity are depicted over notes and photos throughout almost all episodes, as if this were the norm. Even the photographer kid, who was bullied like a cockroach and beaten in the corners, and the same photos were thrown off to everyone, had bigger problems compared to Hannah.
Yes, after all, Hannah has so much enthusiasm to record a bunch of cassettes, think over a scheme, who did what to her (it's strange that she didn't remember who took her toys away from her in kindergarten), climb under other people's windows, hide the dude to watch the action, that she should have said at the end "fuck this Shit, I've done so much, I'm alive af"
@Grenada: It wouldn't be so outraged if there were at least really terrible problems on the face, and not the average ones. Except for the rape (although the same thing happened to Jessica, but she didn't kill herself). You can also make a few reservations about Hannah's behavior here - she knew and saw that Bryce was a rapist, but she stayed until the last moment, until everyone left, in the jacuzzi alone with him in his underwear... It's clear that there are no excuses for him, but it's not exactly smooth. I should have taken no chances.
No one hated her, they greeted her at parties, they considered her a beauty, her parents adored her, she knew that Clay loved her, but the series still resulted in suicide, as some kind of natural thing. After watching it, it seemed that he was pushing for suicide more than giving reasons NOT to do it. For some reason, only other people should be responsible for your well-being and happiness, but not yourself.
That's what can give a teenager a reason to be in a difficult situation, maybe even 100 times more difficult than Hannah's. And that's not normal.
PS I think that the series is a separate work and without special editions.
@ExoPrincipal: "For some reason, only other people should be responsible for your well-being and happiness, but not yourself." The series makes you feel like you have to sit and wait for people to read your mind and run, losing their slippers, to save you. Of course, it's important to be kind and take care of each other, but we don't live in a world with rainbow ponies, and playing the lady in distress, hoping for help from assholes and dodging questions from normal people is not an option if you want to survive.
@serialo_wo_man: in my opinion, the way the suicide scene was shot shows that it is not at all romantic, not beautiful, not worthy and not noble, as it may seem, but scary and painful. And that's why, I think, suicide was shown in the frame.
@АлинаКипр: Who is protesting? That's her opinion, and I'm against it too, but I just want to know what's wrong with Alex, and whether Bryce was convicted, that's it.
I watched almost all the episodes at once. The series made me remember my school years and how acutely everything is perceived in adolescence. Of course, many people will say that half of these reasons have been sucked out of their fingers, and in fact this is all nonsense, but if you put yourself in her place, you can understand that she is just a teenager who needed someone's help. Everything is very vital, and the characters are perfectly spelled out. I'm so sorry for Hannah's parents, I'm so sorry for Clay. Of course, it was a terribly selfish act towards my parents. But it's so painful to realize that most people don't care about your feelings and they won't even think about hurting you. But all these tapes and accusations that someone is responsible for your death and forcing them to live with the knowledge of it.. this is certainly too much. Anyway, a lot of things seemed illogical to me. But very topical issues were raised, and I really liked the series for that.
I always knew that Netflix makes high-quality TV series, but not so much! The first series, after which I just sat and tried to rethink everything. In general, I don't mind continuing. What's the big deal? Well, you don't think about the book anymore, you can just write in the credits, like it's based on a book, etc. There are so many questions and so few answers so far, so I'm waiting for the sequel! In general, despite the teenage environment, even for adults such a series will be useful, there are so many topics covered!
I started watching the series after seeing numerous vk screenposts and listening to the soundtracks. At first, I watched one episode after another without stopping, because I really didn't want to believe that Clay had done something terrible, and if he had, then WHAT??? Then I stretched it out as much as I could, but the whole viewing lasted for three days... As an impressionable and empathetic person, I cried periodically from the first episode to the last, but now it's worth thinking about how tears come. After the first day of watching, I was depressed myself, for which there is a reason: my uncle's brother and my classmate also committed suicide, which I also could not understand, and I could not understand why Hannah did this, are these reasons enough???? But as soon as I watched it to the end, everything fell into place. I feel incredibly sorry for almost every hero, who sometimes didn't even understand what kind of things they were doing... Of course I don't feel sorry for Bryce. The only character I didn't like for a second. A great show, great actors - I'll never forget it. And for the first time, when watching one season, I don't even want to know or think about the second... Probably. After all, we don't know what they're going to cook for us. But it's going to be a different series.
The series is a teen series that raises serious issues of modern society. Unfortunately, this is how it turns out in the end - a hyper-sensitive and emotional teenager, without support, simply cannot stand the stage of growing up, so the series is a classic example of the outcome of such a teenager's life in the modern world... Someone may not have brought up the statistics, but it's a fact - there are just a huge number of suicides in adolescence, and with a psychologist like the one who listened to Hannah on the last day, nothing can be fixed. A teenager should not be advised to ignore the problem, a teenager must survive it, otherwise his soft brain will not get stronger and he will not be able to withstand the load, in fact, like Alex.
@Apriorie: There are absolutely no suicides in adolescence. The vast majority of suicides are men aged 35+ years.
It's just that the suicide of a teenager, especially a girl, especially a beautiful one, instantly becomes an information guide and is discussed in the media and on social networks, and just in her city.school.at the institute, and no one cares about the suicide of another drunk who hanged himself in his hut on the grounds of lack of money and hopeless drunkenness.
@Сьюзи_Q: it seems to me that it's not so much the nervousness of men as the lack of balls of steel in women - to kill myself, I can't even imagine what kind of courage and perseverance is needed. Physically, the instinct of self-preservation is not so easy to overcome.
@Sigizmund, it takes balls of steel, as you put it, not to kill yourself. It's harder for a woman not to think about the consequences, especially if she has children. She thinks about how to survive FOR the SAKE of children, how to put them on their feet, and so on. I'm not talking about everyone, but most of them. And that's a fact. It's easier for a man to be selfish
There are as many as 13 reasons for suicide, although in fact there is only one reason - teenage thinking. as many as 13 episodes, half of which could be cut or shortened. Nevertheless, it was interesting to reach the finale, to observe the positions of the characters changing as the action progressed. It's nice that they didn't make the series a story about a bunch of hopeless assholes who ruined the life of a poor sweet girl. in reality, most people are not bad or good, it's just that everyone, as correctly noted, has their own truth and their own goal.
I found story number 10 the most instructive for myself. to be honest, at first I didn't see any problem at all in not informing the police about the downed sign. on the one hand, disqualification for drunk driving and scolding from parents, and on the other - some kind of formality. the choice is obvious... and that's what the consequences were. it made me think about those rules (official and not so official) that we break every day with the saying "oh, come on, nothing will happen."
I feel very sorry for Hannah's parents, as well as the parents of all children who make such decisions. imho, an important task for adults is to convey to their children from an early age that there are no hopeless situations, that problems must be solved and if your strength is not enough, do not be afraid and do not hesitate to ask for help, and any tragedy is no worse than death.
One of the best TV shows I've ever seen. Yes, they were boring in places. Yes, sometimes there were boring dialogues, but now it's hard to find a series that doesn't have that. At the end of the episode, I completely got into the whole tragedy of Hannah.
A very interesting series that touches on the realities of many schools. I don't know how I would have survived my senior year if I hadn't had my beloved friend.
In short, now there is the same shit going on as on the mayshouse in the comments, for the same reasons and with the same expressions - only all over the world)))
A series that proves that our words affect the people around us, no matter if they are close or not. Yes, I think there were places where many people disagreed with Hannah and especially with how it ended, but at the same time, all these seemingly small reasons come together and create a huge chaos in the fragile human soul. Probably many people saw a reflection of themselves in Hannah, even if just a little bit.
A strong series. I'm fucked up by everything In the end, they showed what Tyler has hidden in his chest. I think it might be a reference to the Columbine incident and the fact that there will be a second season about Tyler. To me, Tyler looks like Dylan (Eric's partner and friend). It would be cool to watch the season based on a true story.
I liked the themes that this series raises, I liked the casting of the actors, and I really liked the way it was shot, especially these transitions from the present to the past and vice versa - that's why I give 3 stars out of 5. I won't read the book. And I started watching the series only because I read an article that Selena Gomez is producing something. I was really looking forward to the series, but in the end, for me, "13 reasons why" can safely be called "13 reasons why Hannah doesn't have a brain." This is the first time Netflix has shown shit, to be honest. The plot is just sax, as is the behavior of the characters (especially Hannah). I've already left a lot of comments on the episodes, writing that Hannah's behavior is not only illogical, but also selfish, and the last episode (including the special edition) hasn't changed my opinion, but I'm also somewhat surprised by Clay - why does he think he's the one who can administer this "justice"? And one of Hannah's last phrases is "I made myself clear enough, but no one rushed to stop me," seriously? That is, each of those on the tapes had to understand in absentia what Hannah was thinking and be there at the exact moment when he was needed. The girl had so many ways to survive this situation, but she chose the easiest one. How can a "specialist" like Porter work in schools and with teenagers? It's a time bomb to put a person in the place of a social educator who clearly does not want to discuss the problems of students. I was also surprised by how these students themselves talk to him - is it a normal practice to communicate like this in America? I am referring to communication from schoolchildren with a social teacher. I didn't understand the joke with Alex - why? It doesn't leave the feeling that it was Tyler who knocked him down, but that doesn't remove the issue. In general, I shouldn't have waited for the series. 13 reasons why I lost 13 hours
I really liked the comment on the film about Clay, ppks: "Clay, her faithful friend. A few words about him. This character is clearly from the genre of fiction, it is impossible to find such a character among schoolchildren. It seems to me that the author of the book transferred himself into the character of Clay, and that's why he seemed so unreal to me. To be so confident in social norms? A single virgin behaves like a gifted humanitarian, public figure, philosopher, writer, etc. without having any life experience. He takes on a mission to patch holes in a rotten society, point out to everyone their mistakes, teach everyone around how to live, support the flawed, punish the arrogant — he's just a fully assembled character from all the works on sociology. He probably just sniffed Glue."
The series is interesting. But how infuriating the main character was. Okay, she got into such unpleasant situations by accident at the beginning. Then she was constantly looking for adventures on her ass. For God's sake, it's written all over her face how downtrodden she is. But her "no one understands me, why everyone is like this," as if she has one problem in life. Initially, seeing the same Justin, you can imagine why he goes on dates and what kind of person he is in general, like his friends. Yes, these are the boys who don't give a damn about your honor. She didn't pay any attention to Clay right away. Otherwise, we want "bad fights", and then we whine. A grudge against Alex's list is epic. It was as if She had been called scary there. There were advantages to everything. But no, it's better to invent a drama. Although Alex also turned out to be too much of a spiritual organization. Of all the characters, I liked only Jessica, a really strong girl. Knowing that you were raped, and your boyfriend allowed it to happen, and then lied that it didn't happen: for me, this is a much stronger reason for suicide than for the same Hannah. Hannah, on the other hand, didn't even scream or fight back when She was raped. I made one look. And I liked Justin. I feel sorry for the guy. He's a good guy deep down, but he needed this company, and that's the only acceptable behavior there. And you can also single out Tony and Jeff, who are very pleasant characters.
Oh, and this Hannah Baker is talkative (reminds me of many of the local reviewers) - she talked six and a half cassettes. At least one about Bryce, sent to the police, and a couple of publications would have been enough. And his veins should have been slit in his Jacuzzi. I wish he had a surprise muhaha And so it was unclear what she wanted - she put both rape and a rhyme next to it.
It would be interesting to see the situation from Alex's side. I think he, like Clay, wasn't okay at all during and after listening to the tapes (and they influenced him), but he turned out to be more emotional. Although, if Hannah hadn't said it wasn't Clay's fault, he might have done the same. Alex thought he started it all, and there's some truth to that. But still... It's a pity for the character, he was a good guy after all. It's just that he tried to fit in. Just like everyone else at that age. And he had a completely different goal, he didn't want to make Hannah a whore, he wanted to annoy Jessica. I am sure that he experienced all this very colorfully and sadly. I would just like to see from this perspective. Jessica is also interesting, but basically in her case we can see everything. But Alex only flashes by and has very little information, and it's sad. And if I'm not mistaken, the tapes shouldn't have gone to Bryce, but it's a pity that they didn't. Although he might not understand. He's too shallow. Although they were supposed to, but Clay missed it? Unclear.
I watched 3 episodes in full, then the stupidity of the main character began to annoy me. Yes, basically, teenagers are dumb. All my feelings and indignation are reflected in this user comment.
> violetty No, seriously, I'm outraged. I read the book a couple of days ago and gave myself time to cool down. But I'm still writing a mini-review based on emotions. After flipping through a couple of reviews, I still didn't understand what this book could teach. Only if you blame others for all the troubles, not yourself. The main character is a young idiot (there's no other way to say it) who decided to commit suicide, and at the same time drag thirteen more people into this swamp, whom she indirectly considers responsible for her death. Make them feel guilty. Yes, I understand, there are different situations in life. Someone is able to endure serious problems with fortitude, and someone breaks down because of nonsense. But Hannah's actions and story are so illogical, so disgusting, that I sighed with joy when I closed the book.
@goldenpge: Briefly and exaggeratedly, the story looks like this (warning, possible SPOILERS): "I'm going to commit suicide. But before that, I will write down an appeal to 13 people whom I consider guilty of my death. I've been bullied all my short life. A friend with whom I went to a cafe a couple of times turned away from me because of ridiculous rumors. But then I'll witness her being raped, and I won't do anything. Why? Because that girl treated me badly and deserved it. The boy I was in love with would spread dirty gossip about me. Later, I'll let the guy who raped my ex-girlfriend grope me. After all, I already have a reputation as a whore, which I'm very worried about, but still, why not? I will push away the person who sincerely tried to help me. But I will continue to look into the mouth of the girl who has already betrayed me once. I cut my hair, but no one noticed. It's everyone's fault, no one wanted to help me. "Why are you stooping to the same level as your "abusers"?
I liked the series, but what's interesting is that there's also a lot left unsaid in the book, or it's just how the writers have already worked. We made it feel like there might be a sequel, but that's just the point of doing it. Because why would Alex kill himself? Why would a photographer need such an arsenal of weapons? Will Clay's relationship develop? What will Hannah's parents do after the Audition? Why did Hannah get everything for Tony, and not for anyone else?
Of course, someone has already written about this, but I see that some people do not understand Alex's motivation and blame Tyler for the attempt on his life. Now I will try to highlight several reasons and hints that Alex definitely shot himself. 1) As already stated, Alex was the very first to realize his mistakes of the past. He said that all the perpetrators should be punished for their actions. After all, his girlfriend, whose death he could have prevented, died because of him. 2) Alex has already tried to commit suicide. In the pool moment, and also in the car with Justin and Clay. You can also remember how, at the very beginning of the series, he tore off the flyers on the walls with the inscription: "Suicide is not an option." 3) When Tyler looks at Alex's photo, he remembers not Alex's bad deeds, but how Alex stood up for him, and indeed in their clashes Alex always treated Tyler quite neutrally, unlike the rest at school. So Tyler just crossed Alex off the list because he doesn't want to take revenge on him. 4) I read on some website that the scene in the pool is similar to the scene of Hannah's suicide in the bathroom. This technique is called "omen". From the very beginning, there were many hints of Alex's suicide. 5) I also read in the same place that Alex cleaned his room in episode 12 before the incident occurred, and it was even highlighted by his father. Hannah cleaned the apartment before she committed suicide, too. If you Google the process of preparing for suicide, you will read that before this, people try to fix their affairs: come to relatives, pay off debts, clean the room, etc. In general, Alex undoubtedly committed suicide (if he died at all). His main motive is redemption and the intolerance of further life with guilt on his soul. Well, after all these remorse, desperate looks and sayings, did you think that he would continue to live quietly for himself? P.S. many thanks to NewStudio for the good work on dubbing into Russian.
Or maybe Tyler also wants to "avenge" Hannah's death, and all those who were on the tapes are there. Well, or Sherry, as a cheerleader and a popular girl, could have offended Tyler in some way. And they were all throwing rocks at the window. Who knows)
The most excellent series! I didn't expect to be so consumed by the action, so immersed in it. Initially, I was attracted by the name of Araki among the directors, and thanks to him for participating, otherwise I would hardly have started watching the series.
I'm even sorry that it ended, I would have watched and watched more. That's how a whole bunch of minor actions can form into a single chain that will follow a curve and you won't be able to straighten it out.
Everything is great here, from the actors (especially Minnette) to the well-chosen music.
Yeah, it's a depressing series. 13 episodes, 13 reasons, all of which are Hannah's fault, and that's a fact. The conversations are weird and always off topic. "Okay." Clay is also to blame for the fact that she decided to commit suicide, he was always shy of her and was generally afraid to make the first move, and she eventually knocked him over, it's not his fault. I don't understand why everyone likes this series so much. And I hope that there will be no 2nd season or it will start from the category of "13 reasons why Alex shot himself in the head," etc. This is the finished series.
The series is addictive, and I think that's the job of the cameramen. Beautiful camera angles and colors. But I didn't like the ending at all. You can say about nothing simply. Where is the court? Where is the showdown? Where is Clay's heart-to-heart conversation with his parents? Did they leave it for the second season to whet the interest? Well....okay. although I don't like such things. I think the main victims of all this are Hannah's parents. They have lost their only child and, it seems, the meaning of life. For 13 episodes, they suffer and experience pain the most. I was especially impressed when Mom went into the bathroom and saw Hannah. She was so shocked that her hands were shaking. Great acting. And yet, self-destruction is not an option. It's so stupid to worry about all these things. A lot of people have had this in their lives, and I can say this because I've had similar shit in my life. But suicide is the height of selfishness. It's nice that the series raised such an important topic and showed the stupidity of such a decision. And, apparently, he gave us the idea that we need to watch our words and actions. And keep an eye on each other.
Maybe someone can tell me how Skye's phrase "this is what people do to avoid killing themselves" sounds in the original? It was when she was telling Clay's fortune and he saw her cut hand.
Now the cons will fly, but fuck it. For the entire series, it was only when Hannah was discovered by her parents that she burst into tears. because I really felt sorry for them. But not Hannah. I'm a terrible creature, yes, yes. I'm aware of that. There was only one problem with Hannah. She couldn't go and tell her parents, because, you see, she had to suffer a lot from the very beginning. "Ah, my parents can't see me." Of course, when you pretend that everything is fine, you smile sweetly and don't talk about your problems. She had adequate parents, unlike Justin's family, for example. Yes, they had their own financial problems. But I don't believe they wouldn't have used all their strength to help their daughter. They didn't want this outcome. That, in my opinion, is the thought that should be central to the series. "Teenagers, talk to your parents if you have problems." I'm NOT making excuses for Bryce. He's a rare freak. No amount of behavior or clothing gives you the right to rape. But in fact, Hannah's silence played against her. If she had reported Bryce after the incident with Jess, she wouldn't have been in the same situation herself. And it's so cool: to shake with fear herself and say that she couldn't tell, then get drunk and say that everyone was to blame for her death. Okay, you don't want to go on living. You don't care if your family and friends are heartbroken. So at least do something useful before you open up. You won't get any worse. Go to check-ins to find friends? It's about the same as going to clubs to find the purest love of your life. And wonder why the local contingent only wants to get up their skirts. She could have been very good friends with Clay even at the initial stage after the quarrel with Jess, if she really needed a friend so desperately. And in the beginning, she put her dick on him and traded him for Jess and Alex, because they didn't look as nerdy as Clay. I don't feel sorry for Hannah. Stupid, hysterical egoist. Don't make a martyr out of her.
gspd, Hannah. did you want to send all the n***, and have people keep running after you, begging you to accept their friendship or help? Is that so? You didn't want to give me your name or what happened, but did you want someone to solve your problems mystically and telepathically? It doesn't happen that way, Hannah. However, you've already figured it out.
I don't remember if I've already left a comment, I keep wondering why Tony is telling Clay that he killed Hannah, why the description says that Glue is the main reason.. Hannah says that Glue shouldn't have been on the tapes at all, and he's on them for other reasons! If his parents or anyone else accuse him, it will be even more completely absurd than it is.
@madion: Yeah, is it okay that she turned her back to leave? and nothing that she said "no" to him? the sex was not consensual-that is, there was rape, and Bryce, by the way, admitted it himself. But let's justify rapists only because of the victim's behavior! Everyone is so smart and knows how a person should behave in a similar situation. 👌
@madion: Either this is trolling, or because of assholes like you, rapes occur, and then more victims are condemned.. Okay, even if you forget about Hannah, you'll justify raping Jessica by saying, "Well, she was drunk and couldn't resist, and her friend allowed it," so it turns out? and if you stayed the night with friends at a party, and then, while you were sleeping peacefully, one of them stuck a dick in your ass to the approving laughter of other friends, would everything be normal too?)
@Roland23: ahah) well, I don't even know, judging by some of the comments, some people are seriously writing strange, not quite adequate things) so you can expect anything) the first message still looks like trolling, and the second one is too sluggish for a troll,))
@Roland23: it seems to me that you find deep meanings in phrases that don't have it and irony in something that wasn't even meant) although yes, it's more pleasant to think that the interlocutor is smarter than he really is :D
@Supra: Are you talking about Madion or something? No, it's no use... It's like being in the human immune system - foreign organisms instantly bite to death. Self-regulation and all that. Sometimes the temperature rises and the shit boils, but in the end the whole branch goes down - and calmness again...
In addition, he gave one star to "True Detective." How is that even possible?
Actually, not all rape victims resist. Some people just freeze and can't move, let alone break free or scream. It was a rape. It's a pity that there are people who think otherwise.
I want to get rid of the comments myself. This series is clearly not for a Russian audience.
Clay was reminded of Donnie Darko throughout the series by his resemblance to Gyllenhaal and the general atmosphere. It's a pity that we decided to make a second season, which, apparently, will be about a school shooting. I think the idea is to kill the characters we've become attached to, so that we realize how terrible it is. It seems to me that we should have stopped at the first season so that it would be finished with "13 reasons why", a series about how people come to suicide.
But even with that, the series didn't do very well. From an artistic point of view, it's great, I couldn't stop watching it from episode to episode, I watched it all in one go. But judging by the abundance of comments from people who don't understand Hannah's reasons, it was necessary to allow the viewer to spend more time in her head.
People try to judge her actions from the point of view of a healthy person, asking why she did not act rationally. If it was hinted to us that depression makes a person lie to himself (with a note thrown out to Zach, for example), then this was clearly not enough. If Hannah's reasons seem insignificant to you, try to imagine that you have thoughts every day that you are subhuman (judging by the way the guys treated her), and that the world would be better off without you. Through this lens, when you can cry because someone smiles at you on the street, even stealing compliments is a serious reason. Maybe some people are ready to cling to life with their teeth at any cost, no matter what happens to them, but not all people are like that. You can call it a weakness, but I don't think it deserves to be condemned.
Hannah acted rather cruelly, including Clay in the list and forcing him to suffer 11 tapes, blaming himself from scratch, while Hannah herself said that he was not to blame. But maybe it was an opportunity for her to create an intimate parting moment with him by telling him everything.
@Roland23: I'm sorry if it hurt your feelings. If you want to talk about this or you need a friend, you can always write to me on vkontakte (link in my profile), I will be happy to discuss why this is so important to you and why you are protecting a rapist.
Вот ещё пара интересных мыслей на счёт того, как опасно этот сериал рассказывает про суицид https://www.google.ru/amp/www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-13-reasons-why-teen-suicide-perspec-0424-md-20170420-story,amp.html
@ahiskali: Maybe it was because Hannah was telling the story consistently, the atmosphere was heating up gradually, and she wanted Clay to understand why she reacted the way she did and not blame himself after hearing about the actions of others, against which he stood out as a bright spot in her life.
@alshi_: it was possible to do the same thing, without hinting that he was also to blame. He stopped taking a shower (the scriptwriters' way of telling us that he was getting depressed himself), he was losing his mind, he almost killed himself. Why did she want him to blame himself for 12 tapes?
one of the best TV shows I've watched lately... I really love atmospheric TV series and this is just one of them. The topic is very interesting for me personally, the series lived up to expectations 100%) The only thing that I didn't quite understand the ending (the very end of the series, where they happily drive away in a car, but come on) I'm waiting for the second season)
and then teenagers begin to believe that these are real reasons for sadness, self-flagellation, aggression, and "depression." what a sweet disappointment it is for you, friends, when you turn over 20 and a bitter catharsis occurs.
for depression, it is enough to have a brain in which the elements are produced unbalanced, and after that, the slightest causes can have a huge impact.
Damn, I was expecting Tyler to come to school with a gun at the end and kill everyone in the spirit of the Estonian movie "Klass", it wasn't for nothing that Clay and that informal girl fucked up.
@julija_glushkova: or there are adequate people sitting here who found your comment completely meaningless, because it does not carry any special message or opinion, because you did not describe what you are not satisfied with or what went wrong. If each of the 15,000 viewers comes to the comment and writes "his opinion" in the style: "well, I don't know why, but even so-so" - it will just be a shock. Or, more likely, those who think, "Oh my God, how could you not like this ending?" :D just accept the disadvantages or justify your opinion so that it is not unsupported by anything "well xs".
@albinka_: I did not plan to describe what exactly did not suit me, so I did not ask for an opinion on this matter from you either. and my question was RHETORICAL.
@julija_glushkova: Well, I'm sorry, I'm so naive, I thought that the possibility of commenting was created specifically in order to express my opinion at least a little argumentatively, otherwise why would we read that you are not satisfied with something there? You just didn't like being downsized, so by leaving a comment you were hoping that your opinion would be important to someone and would get advantages, but just the feelings of strangers here are not interesting to anyone, but some kind of informed opinion - always write and catch your long-awaited advantages.
And in your question, you wrote "why ARE YOU".. if you wanted to ask a rhetorical question, then you had to build it more "rhetorically", for example, "oh gods, and why would people ignore my opinion?"..
I heard somewhere that after the show "Pregnant at 16" was released, the percentage of teenage pregnancies decreased - not very much, by 5 percent, oh, and this is already an achievement. I really hope that this series will influence someone and change something, that people will look at themselves from the outside and understand something, and potential rapists will pour out their anger into a fist, instead of ruining someone's life. Very vivid characters. I burst into tears on stage with Jessica and her father, I feel sorry for Alex, who is far from the most guilty in this story, but understands that nothing would have happened without him. Or did it happen, who knows? The vices of society were revealed, I can't imagine who could remain indifferent.
The series is better than the book, and yet the shift in some accents is unclear. Bryce can't be justified, he's a rapist. But Hannah is also acting stupid. He raped her friend in front of her. She goes to his party (whooo?!), finding him in the jacuzzi still talking to him (WHOOO?!). If she had run screaming out of the pool before he even thought to move towards her, nothing would have happened. You can even understand why she doesn't actually resist, but you can't understand why she went there at all and didn't tear her claws at the very sight of him. And it's perfectly explained in the book- she wanted to break herself. And she didn't say no, she let him do it. It would be worth keeping. As well as the fact that in the book the parents are so caught up in the problems that they did not notice her new haircut. Clay is frankly sorry. He's the only one getting into trouble for not loving Hannah the way she needed to. And she didn't even know how she needed it. Without Glue, there would be no plot, he moves everything off the ground (and in the book he doesn't, only within himself), but still the chance that all these tapes could break him was damn great. Hannah is dead. Everyone around blames themselves for her death. But after all, in fact, no one can guarantee that they could have helped her, that at least one of them could have changed something. If it hadn't been for that, it would have been something else, and life is pretty damn difficult. The only moral of this series is that we don't know how our words and actions will affect others. The only thing we can do is try to be kinder and more attentive. But it may still not be enough, alas.
The main character of the series is a dumb little fool! point. She turned off her brain in all situations. Like a blind kitten. There are no such things. In a cafe, she was able to make the right decision with Marcus, but in a hot tub, damn, she turned into a doll? Funny. It's trite to scream, to resist. They weren't the only ones in the territory!!! No, we will endure and then cut our veins. Skip it!
I started watching the series, because they started to force it everywhere , I didn't read the book, but I was interested from the first episode but! Throughout the series, I didn't feel sorry for Hannah. in this situation, I feel incredibly sorry for my parents. a suicide scene.. everything was said about her above. She looked through her fingers, and when her mom ran into the bathroom, tears began to flow. strong scene👏🏽
I was surprised that the series was renewed for a second season. At first I thought, what's to shoot about? The story is told. But on the other hand, bastard Bryce has to be punished. And oh my God, Alex! I adore him. Of all the characters, for some reason he was the one who hurt. When the director said that he had shot himself in the head, tears began to flow. I hope he's alive!
and I really like Skye. probably one of the most sane characters. I'm glad Clay came to her.
@mindmindmind: What makes you think that? They just didn't show it to us. They promise a second season, perhaps it will feature the life of all the characters after the trial.
By the end of the series, or rather on the last episode, you begin to understand almost every character. The only one I didn't understand, won't understand, and won't justify is Bryce. And the rest are mostly just kids who tried to live an adult life, but in the end they still didn't succeed and they gave up, going to their parents for help. I felt sorry for Justin. Not only did the guy not have a normal family, he was also forever under the influence of a friend like Bryce. I would like to know if Alex survived. Still, the most powerful moment of the series is when Hannah opens her wrists and her parents find her body. She didn't want to commit suicide, as the psychologist said, she just wanted more attention to herself and help. It's a pity that I couldn't find support from at least someone when I needed it so much.
At the beginning of the series, the episodes dragged on for sooo long, I couldn't bring myself to watch them, I stretched the episodes for several days. And the last ones are already watching in a row and without looking up. The series turned out to be pretty good.
From the first episode, I was completely absorbed. Still, Netflix knows its stuff. While I was watching, I was amazed at how well everything was shot and thought out. And the disclosure of minor characters is above all praise. There are long-term projects that have not revealed the characters for more than a dozen seasons. Perhaps the theme of the series contributed to this, but still.
It is very interesting to observe what is behind each of the characters of the cassettes. And the fact that at first glance the last bastard is actually a good person and a prisoner of circumstances. Once again, I remind you that not everything can be easily divided into black and white. I also remember the abstracted view of the whole situation, and the fact that each person has their own view, their own truth. I remembered a dialogue from an anime: I am me, and you? I am you, only in another person, I am the way other people see you. A series with an unrealistically cool presentation, excellent editing, attention to detail and a rather uncomplicated but wildly cool plot. All the components of the series are at their best and you just immerse yourself completely in this world and as if you yourself become a student of this school, even though your school and even college years are already over.
Still, there are a couple of minor flaws that I personally don't really like. Such as casting, namely the fact that some 17-year-olds look like 25, (I looked at the age of the actors and realized that they are all younger than me ((Oh)), and the difference is not so critical, so it's more my whim. All the more reason for me to know about the subjective perception of age, when at 15 they give you 18 or more) and the selection of masks. But all youth, youth and similar projects are guilty of this, I note that this certainly does not make the series worse. By the way, at first I was not very impressed, even annoyed by the actor who played GG (Dylan Minnett). Perhaps because of some unpleasant characters that he could have played earlier. But after watching it, putting aside all prejudices, I can confidently say that he played just fine.
H2 (it turned out that the size of the comment was not enough to express the full magnitude of the flight of thought and impressions of what he saw)
By the way, I don't know if it's possible to attribute the shortcomings to the fact that some characters were given just the lion's share of the narrative, and not those who received only a couple of minutes of screen time (yes, I understand this cognitive dissonance, because earlier I praised the series for the excellent character disclosure. But still, compared to the time devoted to the story of Justin (Brandon Filinn), the rest just pale. It looks like this is such a good start for the future. As well as, in my opinion, a rather unnecessarily open ending. There is no sense of that completeness, or something, and with it there is no integrity. Nevertheless, these are minor flaws that many will not even pay the slightest attention to.
To summarize, I would like to note that the series turned out to be excellent, both in its genre and as a series in general. I look forward to the sequel.
Did Alex shoot himself? Why? You know, I hate the open end. I hope the series will be extended, because Alex was still the main character. (well, Jess to them). I'm afraid to think that he shot out of guilt or something; ( in fact, Hannah made the wrong decision by blaming people who are mostly not to blame for her suicide. There was only one person to blame for the fact. the fact that she was humiliated, mocked, insulted, and taedee could harden her character. This happens to every fifth or tenth student at school. Not everyone gets killed like that. (yeah, I know, everyone has a different perception and so on). but she had friends and they talked to her, despite all this stuff. I was overwhelmed by what was on tape 12 for the most part. and then she found the strength to wake up the next day and go to school as if nothing had happened. She went to the director, he didn't kick her out, sat down and listened. attentively, moreover, he was distracted here and there by calls, but he sat and listened to the end. When she left, she made it clear that she didn't want to talk anymore. By yourself! He didn't have to stop her, it was her decision. He asked me to stay. So I don't know. I saw a lot of support in her direction, and she saw a lot of negativity, which was pouring out as well as the positive. but she seemed to ignore and ignore the positive. (or maybe she just didn't want to notice.) (I know what depression is and that it's hard to feel positive about it, but she had real support, she could always ask for help. Just like I did with the director before my suicide. but the fact that he stupidly did not run after her proves once again that she expected a lot from people. no one is obligated to help anyone and ted, it's not worth waiting for support from everywhere, there will always be kicks in the ass in life, you can't hide from them anywhere).
@nellyfila: * I continue, it didn't fit * I'm very proud of the guys that they didn't get scared after all and told me about the tapes. But I'm most proud of Jess for telling Dad. I cried with her. By the end, everything was so depressing, I thought they wouldn't take out the ending, but no. a la "like a happy ending" was taken out and there was such a normal aftertaste from what was viewed. but still, the series is average, I think many will agree. I rocked up on series 6-7 somewhere and was a bit boring in some places. but the main thing is that the series is good because it raises important topics!!! in general, there are a lot of emotions and thoughts from the series, and that's good.
I'm 29, but I've been worried about everything in the series for as long as I've been in my life. And there was a reason. Every minute of the series I watched was worth the time I spent. Each scene leads to something and leads us step by step from one essential point to another. The series is imbued with the spirit and moments of bad loneliness and tips on how to avoid it.: https://puu.sh/wb5hd/32b1c4c438.PNG https://puu.sh/wb5kJ/ea70d4e074.PNG https://puu.sh/wb5lx/cc1ceb0dc4.PNG https://puu.sh/wb5mt/f912a97feb.PNG https://puu.sh/wb5mW/fe50e683d2.PNG https://puu.sh/wb5qc/7675e938fe.PNG (for some reason, I remembered the painting "Feast during the Plague") https://puu.sh/wb5u0/95302a1e57.JPG https://puu.sh/wb5ur/17156642c8.JPG https://puu.sh/wb5w1/3a1df3c9b3.JPG https://puu.sh/wb5xh/bdb468b658.JPG https://puu.sh/wb5yn/be026724dc.JPG https://puu.sh/wb5yQ/f573b16641.JPG https://puu.sh/wb5Cv/cfd2d620d3.JPG
I remember how some children were bullied in our school, and it often broke them. The successful ones became losers or so, both in school and later in life. And the pressure was often put on by those who were born losers. Someone endures, but some fought back. As we were shown, the Photographer does not intend to tolerate this and what we saw does not bode well.
Almost all the stories remained unsolved, but there were hints of what would happen, one of the branches of further events. That's the end of it. That's the way it should be.
Good luck to Clay with La bruja. She's really beautiful in every good way, and she's eaten her pood of salt.
The series would have been much better if half (or even more) of the plot had been grounded in really normal reasons, but here you can count at most two and a half. The series would be better if the main character was Jessica, for example. Drama queen Hannah was infuriating from the very beginning. In some situations, her brain completely atrophies. The series would have been better if at least some of the story lines had been completed. This suspense about the second season is depressing. I want to know what happened to Alex here and now. About the trial. About Hannah's parents.
And no, there is no excuse for rape, but there is no excuse for suicide.
@Ariassa: if Jessica had been the main character, she would have killed herself, which would have immediately made her much dumber than she is now)) Well, in general, just someone like Jessica wouldn't kill herself.
The series is interesting and beautiful, but devalues the topic of suicide. Hannah's story is told like a beautiful fairy tale. All this is unnatural and disgusting. First of all, Hannah is a sweet, beautiful and flirtatious girl. It's not very pleasant to watch a series about a scary, lonely, downtrodden and awkward girl, is it? Therefore, let the main character be exceptionally pleasing to the eye. Secondly, the thought involuntarily arises that the screenwriters of this masterpiece have never been bullied at school and they have no idea what bullying looks like. Bullying is not when you are called the best ass of the school, not when your poem was published in the school newspaper, not when your parents refused to give money for a limo to earn false friends of classmates, and not when a friend and girlfriend did not report that they started dating. She wasn't called scary, she wasn't beaten, her head wasn't dipped in the toilet, her things weren't scattered, she wasn't ignored, she wasn't used to cheat, she was, after all, supported at home. The only bad thing that happened to her was the rape. You can say that she is overly sensitive and unhealthy, but if we are going to make a series about suicide, we need to convey to people what cruelty means, and not this soap opera stuff sucked out of a finger. Third, Hannah is an ungrateful person. She was asked more than once what happened to her, and people were interested in her. From my experience, I can say that I have never been asked what happened, no matter how bad it was for me. Damn, she was persuaded to reach her potential, helped to write poetry. Did strangers mess with you like that? Hannah even has a mutual love for Clay, but she pushed him away on her own. Fourth, Hannah has a normal social life. They talked to her, invited her on dates and parties! How many unhappy teenagers can boast about this? Yes, not everything was as we would have liked, but for most downtrodden children, this would already be a dream. Fifth, consciously bringing others to the pain that you yourself have experienced is piggishness. She's a terrible person. Fake and undisclosed.
I've been planning to watch the series since it was released, but I've been constantly postponing it. Then, when the wave of popularity in VK began, I came across posts about him, I thought that such a thing should happen to a person in order for him to commit suicide. There is also not one reason, but as many as 13. Maybe unrequited love or really serious bullying, harassment? Therefore, from episode 3, I began to be disappointed in these so-called reasons and watched in order to listen to Clay's tape, but it did not meet my expectations either. The 13 reasons could be reduced to 3 real ones: Jessica's rape, Jeff's car accident, and Hannah's own rape. Moreover, there were indeed ways out of all this, but Hannah, apparently, preferred the easiest one. We wrote above that hormones are rampant in adolescence, minor problems seem to be the end of the world. I can understand this if the characters were 13-14 years old, but Hannah is 17 (!), at this age, you already need to start thinking with your head adequately and also adequately analyze your actions and deeds. So it's no longer the fault of adolescence, but of the character of this girl, the drama queen, who would spend her whole life looking for problems from the outside, without trying to change something about herself. It was even shown several times in the series that she had no empathy at all. And it's very good that they showed us all the characters so multifaceted, who also have a lot of problems, worse than Hannah. I saw a comment that the psychologist at school was incompetent and couldn't help. I mean, I couldn't help? He listened to Hannah and tried to give her advice, but she also shut him out. You can't help a person who doesn't want help. I think by the time she came to his office, she had already made up her mind. And her words for recording on tape after leaving the psychologist, who, you see, did not run to catch up and stop her (although he should have? he's got half a school full of them), they just proved it.
From what I liked, we can note the quality of the shooting, the atmosphere of school life (there is something attractive in teen TV series), the elaboration of the characters, the main merit of which is the acting. I was especially shocked by Dylan Minnett's performance, I remember him from the time of Lost. I'm not sure if I'm going to watch season 2, although I was interested in a couple of things. I wonder how the trial will end, whether Bryce will be imprisoned, and what really happened to Alex.
Now, after watching episodes 12 and 13, I want to take back all the words I wrote about Hannah, thinking that she had made up her own reasons for passing away. Of course, everything that happened to her before the rape was small things, and all this could have been overcome if she had a good friend by her side (this is how Ina understood why they did not have a strong friendship with Tony)But this terrible event broke her. And I was terribly sorry to see with what cold calculation she was planning her death. I was deeply disappointed by the indifference of the school psychologist, who had the opportunity to do something, but showed himself to be completely incompetent. What kind of psychologist is this who gives such advice, seeing the condition of the person in front of him?! And then he also stated in a blue eye that he did not know what was on her mind. The suicide scene is terribly realistic...And the reaction of the parents seemed a little crumpled to me...Although I don't know what I expected, considering that they were holding up well a couple of weeks after the funeral. Very strong people... in general, the series is hard. It raises important topics , but it seemed a bit long-winded to me. At the same time, some of the characters were not fully revealed. The ending is quite natural. And I even liked a certain openness. I don't understand why it was renewed for a second season. After the photographer's arsenal was shown, suspicions began to creep in that the second season might be about a school shooting. A kind of "Class" in the American way.
Has anyone watched Desperate Housewives? There's a voiceover of a woman who died in the first episode of the first season. So, let's not be surprised when we hear Hannah's voiceover in the second season)))
@andyrock: I agree with you. Therefore, I would like to recommend the 2007 Estonian film "Klass" and its direct sequel, the mini-series "Klass. Life after" (unless you've already watched them, of course). Teen violence, school bullying, and an even scarier ending than in this series.
I regret that I wasted my time on this series. The first two episodes just got me knocked up, then everything was boring and depressing. This Hannah was making a big deal out of a molehill, like everyone else, that these tapes were such a nightmare, that we would be imprisoned/hanged, that let's kill Clay so that he wouldn't transmit any more. It's just insanity. The most normal reason of all is, of course, rape, that's just Josco, well, in principle, it was the impetus for suicide. But everything else is so-so. The series itself was shot really well and the actors were well chosen. The main characters (Clay and Hannah) sometimes annoyed me so much that I just paused and was ready to yell. The ending wasn't affected at all, although they said it was kind of very cool and emotional. Yeah. Yeah.
I cried the whole episode. I can't imagine what it's like for Hannah's parents to listen to all these tapes. I'm really sorry about Justin. His mom's indifference is something. It is not surprising that he is like this, because the child is the face of his parents, how he will be raised, and that's how he will become. It is a pity that this non-psychologist allowed Hannah to pass away. How can you even say "forget it" in such a situation?! A normal psychologist would have brought her to the answer without any uncertainty or conciseness.
@mrscaramelle: it's very interesting to read dozens of posts purely about who was crying in which place and laughing in which place, but suddenly I didn't cry in the same place, but after your post I'll correct myself
@RaDeman: Why are spoilers more interesting to read when you go to read the first episode, and the spoilers are already for the last one? And people also describe their impression. :D
If she was going to commit suicide, why not kill the rapist and then do her job? The ending is strong. I'm surprised they showed me how she cuts her veins. I can't even imagine what will happen next season.
@imisteria: Why not kill the rapist? Oh, you talk about it so easily) Why not go to the forest this weekend and roast kebabs there? And her condition was clearly not aggressive.
Whatever Hannah Baker was: a silly, attention-seeking drama queen, despite the fact that half of her reasons were soap bubbles, she was a living, breathing person who deserved to live. I would like to tell her and all the people who have found themselves in Hannah.: "Before you end your life, consider that life with you is not over yet."
It's not really clear to me what to actually continue. The open end. The parents listened to the tapes, the rapist will be punished, the children have learned their lesson, rethought their actions and will gradually leave. Do I need a sequel?
@duckingfox: Alex shot himself, and before he did that, he definitely called Zach, and what did he say to him? Tyler has a whole arsenal in his drawer, and the photos he's posted raise suspicions that either he's going to kill himself, and the photos will be analogous to Hannah's tapes, or he's going to kill everyone in those photos, like in the movie "Class." Jason is on edge and is most likely ready to commit suicide. Bakers vs. Bryce: Will the son of a bitch go to jail? So many questions, and that's not even all. Of course, a continuation is needed.
All that you have described does not really pull for a full new season, alas. Perhaps the scriptwriters will certainly figure something out, but the repetition of cassettes and a series of suicides is not a top sequel.
And I feel sorry for Hannah. The girl tried in every possible way to join the team, but everyone was against it. So what if she was looking for love? What's the big deal? Any person, any animal needs care, affection and attention. And I'm not just talking about my parents now, but about a loved one, friends, etc. The girl just couldn't stand the attacks from her peers. Someone weak, someone strong in spirit. Any person cannot stand bullying, misunderstanding, etc., even if it is an adult or a child. The last straw was the rape. God forbid anyone to go through this.
I will add only one thing, Hannah needed to share her feelings and fears with her parents. Not with strangers, but with her parents, who would support her at the right moment.
@popsiknat: not necessarily at all. like most commentators here, they would say that it doesn't matter to suffer. Well, at least that's what she thought.
Once again, I am convinced that Netflix series cannot be bad. I want to watch all the episodes at once, considering that they are posted for whole seasons each time. It all ended quite logically... and what will happen in the second season is anyone's guess. After watching it, I read the book with pleasure. And for me, this is one of those series that I'll want to revisit after a while :)
The series is incredibly addictive. It is very interesting to watch this tragic story, how the characters reveal themselves with each episode. The series is one of my favorites. I was able to learn a lot for myself thanks to him. Therefore, I recommend
I've been delaying the moment for a very long time to watch this series. And it flew by literally in one day. I feel very sorry for Hannah and the way she was treated. It's sad that they didn't show how the trial of these "children" ended. There will be a second season, but probably in vain, because almost all the characters were revealed and their motives were shown.
I think this series has taught a huge lesson to all schoolchildren and students, we all understand that everyone looks at the same situation in their own way, but taking their own life is not an option. I hope that everyone has learned the main lesson for themselves (everyone has their own). The series was amazing, I watched everything in one gulp, I'm looking forward to the sequel!
The suicide scene is very realistic. I was shaking all over, so many emotions, a mixture of disgust, fear and sympathy. The series is great, I hope for a decent sequel.
It's a great show, it's a serious problem, it's always been like this, it's like this, and it's going to be like this in schools. These little things that teenagers do and that kill vulnerable children are accurately and correctly shown. I feel terribly sorry for Alex, I understand the desire to punish myself, but so far Shari corrects her mistakes most correctly, the girl is doing well. And Jessica is strong too. I was really worried about Clay, that the tapes would drive him crazy, but the final scene in the car says that the guy will get out.
As I watched it, my attitude towards Hannah changed. At first, it seemed to me that she was just a delicate, vulnerable, decent girl who found herself in the wrong environment, unlucky. For some, these pokes are like water off a goose, but for her it's a big injury, that's understandable. I feel very sorry for her. But in recent episodes, she has begun to revel in her role as a victim, which is also understandable, but no longer causes much sympathy. Yes, people are shit, well then why go to their party, get away from them, why put yourself at risk. Hannah's instinct for self-preservation is weakened. I'm not excusing Bryce, but she really asked for the rape herself. Well, after she lost 700 dollars of her parents' money!! In the situation of her family's financial crisis, which she was well aware of, this is already a high-level offense for me and cannot be justified by anything.
Some believe that Hannah was clinically depressed. I don't agree. Recorded tapes are another level of vulnerability, it is an attempt to take revenge, punish and teach people how to live properly, people in depression do not have the strength for this. Clay blames himself, though, to demand of him. so that he, the introverted boy, understands what grown men do not understand (go away, but stay)- it's just TOO MUCH. How she stood and waited for the psychologist to follow her. Oh... I know that. I really want someone to understand you without words, come and save you without questions. And yet... and yet... Hannah is essentially the same as them, like these children, she does not notice the feelings of others, does not understand that she may get into an unfortunate moment when they are not ready to listen to her, and is often inattentive. She didn't prevent Jessica's rape, that alone should have given her the opportunity to understand her classmates, she did the same as them. For such a thinking girl, it should have been obvious how she would ruin her parents' lives if they found her in the bathtub. It's just the events of a few weeks. All that remained was to lie low and wait for a couple of months when school was over. Demanding that others behave like adults and very decent adults at that, she herself does not want to act like an adult. I understand this desire not to grow up. It's a feeling that it's better not to deal with the real world, because it hurts you every day with one sharp angle or another, that people are not the same - I understand. But we need to find another way out of this. Absolutely necessary. Moreover, she had Glue.
A lot of people, like me now, felt bad at the end of this episode. I clench my fists and try not to scream. I scream to myself. So many times during the entire series, I shouted "IDIOTS" to Clay and Hannah, trying to stop them, trying to influence their actions somehow, trying not to believe that Hannah was dead after all. It hurts. But the most painful thing is that I'll spend a few days in such a shitty state, and then I'll forget. I will think about this series once every six months, I will be sad, and I will forget again. Like everything important that once had a strong effect on me at a particular moment in my life. And we'll forget everything. But it's so important to remember. Damn sad comment. But those who have just watched the series will understand me. Probably the last time I felt this way was when I finished reading "Loneliness on the Web." Hopelessness.
Crying............... It's just hard to watch. I hope that those who watched and spent 13 hours of their lives, not just like that, but drew conclusions and understood the DEEPEST MEANING of this series. 10 out of 10
The series is vital, about teenagers, about relationships, parents and school. Heavy, but very interesting. It's a pity for Hannah that no one saw what was happening to her and did not try to talk to her and understand her, you need to be attentive to people. As I understand it, Season 2 will be about the future of the other participants. I feel sorry for Alex, did the photographer really try?(
13 Reasons why Nothing is Finished Yet (Spoiler alert: there are still a lot of questions):
In tandem, Alex and Tyler: 1) Did Alex shoot himself, or did Tyler help him? 2) Did Tyler take down Alex's photo because he shot him himself or because he decided to remove him from his "firing list"? 3) Should we expect Tyler to have a new Columbine at Liberty High?
In tandem, Justin – Jessica – Bryce: 4) Why did Justin say he would never see Bryce again? 5) What did Jessica tell her father about? Is it about breaking up with Tyler, about the tapes, or about the rape? 6) Will Bryce be punished for everything he did?
About Hannah's riddles: 7) Who is this mysterious "friend" of Hannah, to whom she sent the tapes by mail? 8) Besides the note for Zach, which he didn't tear up, what else did Hannah lie about on the tapes?
About cassettes: 9) Who gave the tapes to Clay? 10) How will Clay's mom react to the fact that he had the tapes? 11) How will Hannah's parents act after listening to all the tapes? 12) How will Kevin Porter act after listening to all the tapes?
And finally, the 13th reason: 13) Shari. Why did she call the police?
P.S. Courtney, Marcus and Ryan were not included in the list, because there were no questions left in connection with them. They're just small people who are fighting for their reputation.
Can I just say that the series is great and definitely worth spending your time on? In fact, I was really excited about the series, and I was personally drawn into it from the very first episode, from the very first seconds, from the very first words. The finale is gorgeous, it made me cry. However, I don't understand at all what else can be shown in the thirteen episodes of the next season, because the whole plot of the book has already been transmitted... Okay, let's see. Although I'm still pretty skeptical about the sequel, no matter how they ruin the whole series with this sequel.
Damn.... One of the best drama series in the last few years. Before episode 12, I even wanted to take this series to my collection and review it someday. But after watching it, I changed my mind, I would not want to experience the pain with which I watched it again. After all, from the very beginning we are presented with how it will all end, and from this it is much harder to look at what is happening, at this hopelessness, than if we hoped that someone was about to save her.
At first, the reasons seemed trivial to me, in the middle, the hysterical Hannah started to get a little nervous, but after watching all the episodes, it became clear that all these problems were just accumulating like a snowball and the jacuzzi with Bryce was just the last straw. Do I think Hannah did the right thing?? No, of course, even that could be survived. But at least now I understand WHY...
Clay... After leaving the psychologist, it seemed to me that he also wanted that, but then he saw that girl from the cafe. He said he wasn't okay, offered to go for a walk, and she agreed... But then they were all riding in Tony's car together, and he wasn't going to do anything like that.)
Tyler the photographer is clearly up to no good. But he took Alex's photo anyway because he changed his mind, because if he had shot at him, then while taking the photo he would have remembered Alex's negative act (for which he was his), and not a positive one.
Ps It's a pity if the photographer shoots everyone in the second season, especially Clay and Tony. It will be a kabzdets at all
After going through the night, I rethought what had happened a little, but I'm inclined to believe that Hannah was just a somewhat impressionable and vulnerable girl from birth, and you can even see how she perceives some of the everyday problems of schoolchildren as bullying. Let her say on the record that no one helped her, but damn it, besides grief, how many times has fate also presented her with a means of salvation?! She simply pushed away people who could help her (Zack, Clay). Take Clay, this is not the unrequited love that it could be. And the parents (the directors here didn't show the deterioration of the relationship enough) from what they showed us, she could have talked to them, as Jessica did, these are her closest people, wouldn't they have supported her? And even in a conversation with a grief psychologist, he asked her to tell everything, but Hannah left, yes, he should have been much more professional, but still ... As for rape, then my opinion will probably be original. As it seemed to her, she had unsolvable problems at school (on a universal scale), it was also possible that she was a participant in the actions that killed her peer, as well as problems with her parents and problems with her parents. And because of the peculiarity (weakness) of her character, she was already thinking about death. This could explain her lack of self-preservation, why she went to the party, why she climbed into the Jacuzzi, and why she let this nit take advantage of her. Somewhere deep down, she already wanted to die. Who killed Hannah Baker? She's on her own...
After watching it, it left the impression that Hannah was an egotist who thought the whole world revolved around her.One really serious reason is rape, which, by the way, she provoked to some extent.
Is Clay to blame? I immediately think that of course not... but if you think about it. Let's remember Jessica's party, IF CLAY HADN'T LEFT THEN AND TOLD Hannah ABOUT HIS FEELINGS, then Hannah would have calmed down and she and Clay would have stayed in the room. ----->&Jessica and Justin would have entered the room and seen that she was busy, would have excused themselves and left, respectively, Jessica would not have been raped. ----->>> Sherry would have gone home alone (because Hannah is in the room with Clay), she would not have been distracted at the wheel and she would not have hit a road sign. ----->>> Jeff would have gone home, seen the sign (because Sherry didn't hit him) and would have missed the car AND WOULD HAVE STAYED ALIVE. ----->>> Hannah wouldn't be so depressed, etc, etc
I don't know if the creators of the series deliberately arranged everything with Clay's guilt. My opinion is that Clay is to blame for Hannah's death as well as for Jeff's death, that is, a little more than nothing) And he's only on the tapes because Hannah wanted Clay to know that she cared about him, that he wasn't the reason Hannah died, but the reason Hannah COULD LIVE.(Even she mentions that Clay shouldn't be on the tapes.)
But it's true, - if Clay hadn't been such a wimp, and just wouldn't have left then, would have stayed and talked to her, then what followed wouldn't have happened.. - although on the other hand, you can't blame him for the way he is either. - and on the other hand, in general, Hannah wouldn't have gone through all this in her head if it weren't for everything that had already happened before, i.e. photos on the slide and Alex's list, etc.
Hell, it's a complete puzzle.. and such a big snowball, a chain of events that led to such a tragedy... You can't blame anyone in particular, everyone is to blame (even she herself to some extent), but in completely different ways.. in every sense.
Why is Hannah wearing old suicide clothes? I'm more and more disappointed that she didn't fully understand what she was doing. The series is great, teenagers are so fragile. She was ruined by her inability to solve problems, emotional sensitivity, the school environment, and self-isolation. And growing up is also well shown here. Tony, Clay, and the girl with the sign (I forgot the name) finally thought about others-about stopping Bryce, handing over the tapes to Hannah's parents, and telling them about the cursed sign. Becoming a person, as it is. And I feel sorry for Hannah, maybe she would have had brains over time, but the situation just turned out to be too much for her.
People who write about dumb reasons. Are you serious? When I first started watching the series, I didn't find it entertaining, but since the middle of the season, I've changed my mind. Has the atmosphere changed? It's one thing when there's only one problem and you're being bullied by it, not when a snowball starts rolling behind that problem and your every move, every turn in the wrong direction, goes sideways. Even banal bullying can lead to suicide when it happens every day. Don't you remember what it was like at school? Personally, I've never been bullied, but there have been plenty of people who have been bullied, and it's a pity that you don't understand how mentally difficult this is. Plus, friends turn away, people who seem to be supportive put sticks in the wheels, etc. And in the end, there remains a girl who just wants a human relationship with her. And you know, it's not just in adolescence. How many people in the world have committed suicide not because of their own desires, so to speak, but as a result of being driven to suicide by highly moral people. Until people in our world begin to realize how much their words and actions affect the lives of others, nothing will change.
Strongly. So much so that I want to scream in silence. For me, this is the best series this year. Everything was done on a high level, netflix is always quality. It's so real that it's scary. Everyone can watch: teenagers, young people, and parents.
I feel very sorry for the girl, despite the fact that she is terribly stupid. But what the fuck is this! With her tapes, she almost drove the man who treated her best and whom she herself was in love with crazy. And she drove a former friend to suicide, whose guilt is simply ridiculous against the background of some other things. That is, those who are least to blame have suffered the most. And is that fair, from her point of view? Those who are more to blame are like water off a goose (Bryce, Courtney; Tyler was blown in the wrong direction). Putting rape on the same level as stolen notes is some kind of PPC. And of course, my favorite is "I'm going to freak out, yell, leave slamming the door / yell at a nice guy and chase him away, and then I'll wonder why they're not running after me with all their might, callous indifferent people, it's your fault, because I had to!" For a reason, Clay told her in one episode, they say, why does the drama always have to revolve around you? And he said that because it's clearly not the first time she's behaved like a drama queen. But for some reason he had to figure out what was wrong with her, and she absolutely didn't need to understand that a guy's good friend had died, because well, Hannah had some kind of bullshit.. Another drama! Empathy is at zero, but it requires a lot from others. And her parents. In general, a very cool filmed series about a stupid egoist, around whom there were people who could help her, but for some reason she sat and suffered instead.
Hannah is so dumb! The psychologist told her:This is a serious accusation. Either tell me who it is and tell me everything, or put him in jail. Or shut up in a rag.
She didn't say anything, and then blames the psychologist for not doing anything. He had to guess on the cards to find out where and how and who?
In short, the idea is for the second season, since it will be. Hannah is brought in for an autopsy and another tape is found in her stomach, broadcasting in her sepulchral voice, "Did you think it was over? The games have just started."
Yeah, after season 1 of Stranger Things, everyone was also thinking/writing, "What else can you shoot about?" But they took it off, and how! So it can be here.
I didn't really like the series. I expected more. they constantly kept some kind of intrigue for each person in each episode, and in the end it was all water. lots of water. and the plot is depressing. besides, I didn't like the main character at all. Of course, you can watch it for a change, but I wouldn't strongly recommend it.
In general, it turned out to be a rather open and incomprehensible ending that requires a second season. The open court case, the impunity of Bryce and the psychologist, Tony's involvement in the whole story, (itself?)Alex's murder, teenagers' access to guns, and a ride into the sunset on a cool mustang... We need answers, but here we can either do a second season of episodes for 5 - they answered, and ran away so as not to delay, or already supplement with a new story (the main thing is not to forget about the main one). It remains to wait)
the hardest series of this year for me. I've been sitting here for three hours now, trying to find the words, and everything is wrong. It's a very strong series on a difficult topic that everyone should watch. I admire Clay Jenson. My American friends bombed on Facebook when the series first came out that it "promotes suicide," and even religious ones joined in. I personally don't think so. If he's promoting something, it's the fact that you can and should ask for help. parents, for example. The bathroom scene is something incredible. How can parents live with this now? after all, they had no idea what was going on, and they would so much like them to be aware of their daughter's life, in particular, the horror that happened to her.
Such nonsense, what were these gun scenes about, I was so hoping for action, and not a snotty piece of a mediocre series. The girl is a real pure-blooded American (in the words of a Russian humorist - WELL, a DUMB American). I stepped on the same rake 100 times. Regarding bullying, there will always be the strong and the weak, that's the way the world works. This fucking TV series was based on a book, otherwise all these episodes could have been combined into 1. Even about peeps from Netflix it was more interesting to watch.
This is the 2nd time I've watched all the episodes in one go, and I've killed 13 hours. I don't want to write anything about the plot, because it's already been deceived. I just wanted to mention the excellent OST, which was very popular, and it was kind of sad that the series ended, although they announced season 2, but it won't be the same, it's a pity, it's a pity. Bravo, I have not experienced such emotions since I met the TV series "Game of Thrones".
The plot is for despondent youngsters who have youthful maximalism and parents are always wrong and do not understand. Meanwhile, Hannah's parents were extremely adequate, including because they bought a car for her and forgave her for losing money (as I understand it, the amount was significant for them), but nevertheless this tp goes and cuts her veins, putting a bolt on the only ones who treated her well. The only real problem she has is rape. but what do you have to think about in order to move into the house of a dude who has already raped your girlfriend??
I watched "The Handmaid's Tale" before this series and then sat down to watch this one... Both are so hard, they hit the psyche so hard, and there is no way to compare them at all. It's unlikely that on-air channels would decide to film such things in the near future. But Netflix was able to, and that's fine. Maybe society will finally reflect on its behavior. Ours is unlikely, we still have to cut and saw before that.
God, I'm bursting into tears. Yeah, it was an adventure, a hard adventure. I felt a lot for the characters, yes, it's just a series, but just try to say that you didn't feel anything like that and didn't get into such situations. I got caught.
In some places, there were feelings of illogic, absurdity and absurdity of what was happening. Of course, there are 13 reasons, but in fact, few people are worth taking their own lives. And what exactly is included in this concept? Nonsense. Nothing is worth taking your own life. I just think there are 4-5 main reasons, but it's not for us to judge, because everyone perceives the world differently. And now these guys will definitely start to perceive him differently. I remembered the chaos theory: “chaos theory says that the flapping of a butterfly's wing on one side of the globe can cause a hurricane on the other.” That's exactly what happened.
In general, it is interesting to follow further events, we are waiting for season 2. I think the parents will win the case, the guys will admit everything, Bryce is unlikely, but they will be imprisoned, there will be inconsistencies in the case, because still someone will lie, but Tyler, apparently, will arrange a shootout. Maybe he shot Alex and set it up? When he was in the development room taking Alex's picture, what did it mean? Did he kill him? Or did he take it away because he didn't want to kill him? After all, he was kind to him. Or am I fixated on the murders? And will he be able to commit them at all? Let's see, then-more, Tony said: "...The further you go, the worse it gets."
The bathroom scene deserves a separate comment. She just killed me. I couldn't look at it, not only because of the tears that welled up, but also because I know what it's like. One look brought pain that was almost palpable in reality, and I turned away. And then there's the desperation of the parents...nightmare. Some people talk about "suicide propaganda." Excuse me?" Do you know what you're talking about? Suicide propaganda. Yeah. On the contrary, it is right that they raise such a topic. Who else will raise it? Why keep quiet about it? Isn't the silence of those who live in depression, experiencing all this, enough?
@Unicorn_Irene: You're absolutely right. There is no talk of any propaganda of suicide here. This scene makes you think about what is going on in a person's head, to what degree of despair he has reached, how much pain he may have, which he cannot get rid of in any way, that he decides to take such a step.
Violence is tough, yes. The rest are typical teenage problems that she's screwed herself up with. Actually, that's what teenagers do... The only people I feel sorry for in this whole story are Hannah and Jessica's parents. It must be terrible for a father to realize his powerlessness while listening to the story of his daughter's rape. And even more so, to see the corpse of a child and understand, as Hannah's mother said, that she was only an acquaintance now, too. Well, it's a pity for Alex - the girl not only professionally fucked her brain, but also him. I thought Clay would move, he's too impressionable. The most normal girl here is the one with the crocodile tattoo. And this, for all its abnormality ... In general, the topic in the series is certainly important, everyone probably at this tender age thought "everyone would be better off without me." But Hannah's character just pissed me off personally. This girl would have come to this end anyway. At least in this school, at least in another one. Even at the institute, even after. And the school psychologist would not have helped her, even if he had been involved, she needed psychotherapy, and maybe even hospitalization, xs...
@АйбаАнжелика: They don't look here) You mark the episodes you've watched, choose new series, see how many hours you've spent on them, receive awards, and share your impressions with other people by leaving comments) Well, yes, you can get caught because your comment is objectionable to someone)))
When the book came out, I read it and... You know, I don't want to offend anyone, but this is a purely American series. Something happens in everyone's life and everyone experiences it in their own way.Well, you must admit that in Russia, first-grade children are even worse than Hannah's friends, you can list endlessly what is wrong with this world.But there was a lot I didn't understand, her friends had abandoned her, and she was trying to fix the situation??? Well , to make other friends there , yes , she was sick (psychologically ) and you can bring a lot to life, the moral is in the series, but it's better to read the book then.And I think it's always easier to blame someone for your failures (I'm not talking about rape) But there are autobiographies where people write about how they are raped by their own relatives and taken to other countries. I don't think this series is worthy of the hype it has created around itself. Undoubtedly, the film was excellent, the acting is wonderful, but I expected more. Purely to conclude: the mentality is different, everyone has their own taste, suicide is not an option . p.s. and yes, Hannah ruined EVERYONE's LIFE with all these tapes because her parents are depressed, and everyone else who listened to the tapes and accordingly they will also open LOL.I made it out of the category without thinking
@1234lolo: In Russia, the situation with teenage suicide (and indeed with suicide in general) is much worse than in the United States. So from a purely American point of view, there are only schools. The problems are still the same as in Russia.
The series is good with supporting characters and Clay. But Hannah was annoying to the point of horror. I barely watched it, because the last episodes were still nothing (for once, he's not thinking about his beloved). Oh, the guy is an asshole, and I didn't even know, even on the TV screen I couldn't see that the first handsome boy of the school paid attention to a rather plain girl not out of romantic motives. Oh, the list is a joke, now I've "become the target of a hunt" (once a worried jerk crushed my ass, as if he hadn't done it without a list). Oh, my friend didn't listen to me, I'll put you on the list of reasons, suffer bitch! I get drunk at a party, I distract the driver - Shari, you're on the list, that accident happened because of you, you probably don't suffer much, get it (let's be honest - it's unlikely that a call to the police could affect the situation of who would fix the signs at night, and the accident happened in 30 minutes at most)! I'm going to splash in the Jacuzzi until everyone leaves to visit the rapist, a great idea (and I'm not going to resist, kick and scream, I think I'll say "don't" once and that's it)! Seriously? according to the results of the series, there are 2 reasons - the rape, which she herself provoked (no, I'm not justifying Bryce, but Hannah is clearly not thinking with her head) and the fact that Hannah, in addition to a lot of her flaws, is also a coward. When the problems aren't hers, then fuck them. You raped your friend, I think I'll shut up. A friend's friend died (probably one of the few) - I won't even support it, let alone reveal the true reasons. Hannah is an infantile, impenetrable dumbass who lacked attention. And in her attempts to get it, she failed until she came to the simplest solution. She also blamed everyone for her mistakes. 3 out of 10 for the rest of the characters, they are shown cool
@reverse_furion: Well, some kind of superficial understanding. Do you really think that rape can be provoked? Does the fact that she was swimming in the Jacuzzi mean that she wanted to be raped or something? If you didn't say the word "no", then can I? She basically said she had lost control. Jessica was in the same situation, where Hannah couldn't move. You know the expression "bound by fear," that's what it's about.
@No5: Obviously, for a rapist, a girl in her underwear in a Jacuzzi with no one around is like a red rag for a bull. "if you didn't say no, then you can" - it's about a rapist, not about hugging a guy. And why not, it's possible that she deliberately provoked Bryce to punish him, which somehow embellishes her stupidity.
I've been watching it for a long time. And I still don't understand what the main character's fault was. His friend and everyone around him said that he was the main reason, so they left him for last. Was it his fault that he was too good for her, or what? Were their feelings, or lack of them, stronger than the grief of the rape and all the problems surrounding the heroine? And I didn't like the actor playing the main character at all. And it's kind of dry. No one caused any alarms or feelings of excitement. Maybe it will turn out to be something interesting, powerful, and relevant for teenagers..but now, having lived through my teenage years for a long time, it all seems petty and not serious to me.
@yuko_san: As a direct test in this episode, he says that he cost the girl her life because he was afraid to love her. For example, in episode 12, Alex, as if summing up the message of the series, says that if at least one of them had been Hannah's friend, she would be alive now. In general, she needed a man, but it turned out that she didn't have anyone.
It's a great series! It caused a lot of different emotions. Plus, it raises, in fact, an urgent problem in our time. The second season, I think they certainly shouldn't have come up with it. Personally, I'm unlikely to watch it. As for me, it was a very good ending for the series. The second season will be far-fetched.
P.S. I don't understand people who write that the main character is to blame for everything, and that suicide is for weaklings. You probably weren't teenagers. Personally, I remember my teenage years very well, and I remember that all the problems seem soooo serious, and cause a lot of emotions and stresses, no matter what they really are. Especially when it comes to relationships.
@clamorimari: I keep in mind that every teenager is sentimental, bullying cannot be interrupted with food, water and warmth, and stress is not something out of the ordinary. Satisfying the lower rungs of Maslow's pyramid will not save a person, much less a teenager, from stress and depression. And you don't have to worry about "stupidity" or "being mad with fat," no one is immune to anything, and there are simply billions of factors in the occurrence of all this.
I spent two days watching the series at a time - each episode is getting more addictive! For me, the series turned out to be quite difficult - you could even say it drove me into depression. That's why I couldn't give it five stars. In their opinion, I would not advise people with a "more expanded emotional background" to choose this film, so as not to rattle their nerves.
I liked the season. A very strong suicide scene, right up to goosebumps. But it seems to me that we are a little unfinished. It was not shown whether Bryce escaped punishment. The shift in weapons from the shifted surveillance/photographing was not disclosed. How did the trial end?
But I think I understood the scene with the photos when he took Alex's picture. As it seemed to me, these are pictures of those whom he wants to kill (since they showed his arsenal before that). Like a list of enemies, just pictures. Or does he just like to look through the scope, and it doesn't matter if it's through the scope of a machine gun or the scope of a camera?
I watched the whole series at once, just non-stop, a very interesting plot. The only thing is, they will most likely merge the 2nd season, but I will wait and hope that my beloved Netflix will not let me down :
@LovingCn: Well, guys, I'm sorry, I love suffering on the screen. I just couldn't tear myself away, I was really curious about what was next. Of course, everything was not digested as easily as it looked, but still.
Despite the fact that I was skeptical about Hannah's story throughout the series and believed that these were far from the reasons for suicide..It looked pretty hard. Usually, TV shows for me are in one go, as the commentator said above. But it's something else, especially knowing that it's a real story. It's a very heavy series with an insanely deep meaning and a qualitatively important topic. Many people are thinking about suicide, even though they hide it. 13 the tape is the only one that touched my soul. No one can help a suicidal person, alas. I'm so sorry that my parents found out so late, and I hate Jess. I thought that since Hannah was raped by Bryce too, she should at least say that she knows about the tapes. It was stupid to believe that no one would find out, and now she would have problems, but she didn't care. It's her own fault It's a pity that they're making a second season. I think it was only necessary to do one more episode with the investigation of the case and the story of the fate of all these people. I don't need anything else.
It's so hard to watch the scene where her parents find her in the bathtub. I'm crying again.... I watched the season for the second time, it's too painful, too sad!
The series is too romanticized and idealized by the audience. Many problems are far-fetched, many are ridiculous. Yes, the two reasons are serious, but they also have some small responsibility on the main character herself. Suicide is never an option, but for some reason the viewers of this series justify it.
The series is good. but some of the reasons on the tapes are freezing with their far-fetched nature. I'll put it down to the fact that they are necessary to demonstrate the sensitive nature of a teenage girl. And yes, as we have already written above, there is a dissonance between the cunning plan with cassettes turned out posthumously and the behavior of the heroine during her lifetime. Well, I don't know, if you decided to take your own life and punish the offenders posthumously, get a gun or something. Shoot the assholes and ales. You can shoot yourself in the end if you have nothing to lose. Somehow it looks more feasible than a clever plan. Damn, when I see on the news about another shooting at some school, it comes to mind that there is some kind of similar story at the root of everything. But you can't build a series on that, yeah. And the series, as I said, is good.
It's a stupid series, just like life itself... probably... I guess.But it was still very interesting to watch. But damn, the main character froze me out and bombed me a lot. Yes! It's a TV series. I know. But to make everyone guilty of their death , as in fact it can be in life ... Yes, there are about 7,500,000,000 of us, so there will be such a person..At the same time, without analyzing her mistakes, she also made them, while she confessed - let's conclude that all people make mistakes, it only depends on the degree of their commission. At the same time, she was looking for attention from everyone , but as soon as she was properly given, what did she do ? Right... She was repulsive ! And so on.
The suicide scene is poorly shown. When you cut your veins, you don't start breathing so often. and why didn't she turn off the faucet, for fuck's sake? Who even self-saws without turning off the faucet??? The water will stupidly pour out, her parents or neighbors will come and save her. Believe me, I cut my wrists in the bathtub and almost died, but it took a very long time. They were filmed by stupid amateurs who don't understand what cutting a vein is at all. The music in the series is good, otherwise it's pretty lame. The whole idea is idiotic and unrealistic.
@Really_Bad_Boy: The idea of the series was not to focus on a stereotypical suicide scene. And what's the squalor? She had to convulse for 40 minutes to be believable? The main thing is that you did it right.
@Really_Bad_Boy: The series literally says head-on, "it's better to talk to someone, discuss problems and don't kill yourself, everything will be fine." The claim is that they didn't show a realistic suicide. What the fuck? This series is not about a suicidal girl, but about the CAUSES of SUICIDE. My God, the title says what the series is about, and the series itself makes it absolutely clear how to avoid extreme measures despite such reasons. As well as for the suicidal person himself, in the future, and for the prospective environment of the prospective suicidal person.
The questions are like this. When you were cutting your veins, were you thinking about the faucet, or were you thinking about your hands? Have you thought about how you wouldn't be burned, or how you wouldn't be saved? If your suicide took an extremely long time, then what, did you forget to turn off the faucet yourself, since you're alive?
@Really_Bad_Boy: I understood perfectly well what I had written. Anyways, questions remain open, and even new ones have appeared. How did you cut your veins, which took an extremely long time? Why didn't you close the door?
By the way, I watched the last episode of the first season and, most likely, I will be missed, however.
Among other things, the series says one more important thing: yes, nothing will justify a rapist, but a girl may not increase the risks and make the situation dangerous. And Hannah knew Bryce was a dangerous man. She didn't just know, she saw what he did to Jess. And I climbed into the Jacuzzi where that pig is sitting. I admit that she was in a very depressed state. But honey, why? Has this depression completely robbed you of your memory? And this remark ONLY applies to the situation of Hannah and Bryce, because if she were splashing in the Jacuzzi with another athlete of the school, I would not consider that she partially creates a problematic situation for herself, because she does not know anything bad about this athlete and therefore should not be afraid of him.
I have never defended Bryce, but until there is a proper sex culture in the public mind, all a girl can do is, as I said, not to make the situation dangerous.
@j_kasabian: please review the last episodes of this series, as it was shown that Hannah climbed into the Jacuzzi after Jess persuaded her, and at that moment Bryce the pig was not yet observed within the jacuzzi, after that, after a couple of shots, Jess leaves the Jacuzzi and leaves Hannah alone, and even then, Bryce gets into the frame of the Jacuzzi, but we all know the subsequent events...
Well, as it is, I completely agree with the idea of sex culture, I just decided to clarify a little.
@Dark_L1ght: and yet she didn't get out of the Jacuzzi, she didn't break free (okay. let's say she was so paralyzed with fear and something else) She didn't hit him, bite him, or kick him. She just exposed herself to him. That's how I saw it... As #metoo fans have seen, it is clear from the comments above. But the situation is very controversial and does not add any advantages to the heroine. I didn't understand this reasoning at all when she came to this party - at that moment it seemed like the right decision to me and blah blah blah... and they say it was only in the Jacuzzi with her classmates, looking up at the starry sky, that she felt free. The young lady has serious problems with hormones, I'll tell you... and a complete lack of a brain...
@Нинулик: She'd had a lousy day, and she couldn't figure out what was going on in her head. but so far, the situation looks like an affect - she could perfectly understand WHAT he wanted from her, but she didn't stop him. The body can be a bitch sometimes. I didn't refuse to feel wanted.Yes, that's it, perversely. And then it hit her...when it was released, it was trezlyak. So here we come to her mental health, which does not exist. Therefore, many of the reasons are far-fetched by her sick imagination, richly laced with complexes and expectations. The reasons for rape are one thing, but more reasons are related to the fact that she got herself sick...
How Hannah annoys me throughout the last episodes, this kind of image of a typical girl who screams to leave and won't tell me anything, but implies a plea for help.
I don't know what's going on with the second season, but the first season is a very powerful work, I never thought that in fact the series is about teenagers and this difficult time of growing up, IT CAN HOOK YOU SO MUCH, CRUSH YOU, MAKE YOU WATCH SOONER TO FINALLY UNDERSTAND WHY IT ALL HAPPENED. and I must pay tribute, I believed in this story and revised my views on my behavior and attitude towards people, because it's true, not everything is so simple and we are all different, there are people who cannot withstand the burden of this cruel world, which eventually breaks them, and the climax of everything can be someone's untimely glance or grin that will put an end to it, forever. damn, it's all very cruel and real... separately, I would like to highlight the story is very competently constructed (I haven't read the book, but I've heard that the series follows a different path in the narrative) the actors cope with their tasks, you believe them and worry about them working with the color scheme (events of the "present" in gray, depressive shades, events of "of the past" are sunny and full of life) music creates such an atmosphere and so punches sometimes that you rub your wet eyes
I will definitely show my child so that he just knows that this happens and I will ask him not to be silent when it gets bad, remember the "13 reasons why" and come to me.
After watching the first 5 or 6 episodes, I bought myself: "What kind of shit is this and why am I watching this?" Well, I take it back. This series is amazingly shot. The problems that everyone seems to know about, but tries to keep quiet about, are shown cruelly, but incredibly truthfully. A kind of blind eye.
The last few episodes have really caught on. They caused all the negative emotions that one can feel towards society. All the positive things you can feel about the director and the cameraman. And, of course, to the actors! Everyone played their part perfectly.
I'm not afraid of blood (I'm a donor), but I could barely hold back an attack of vomiting when she cut my veins, I didn't expect this scene to appear in the movie.
And yet, it's often fun when there's an understatement at the end and you can figure out the ending yourself. But this is clearly not the case. I wanted to know everything in detail, the reaction of each parent to the tapes, the reaction of each student to the accusations, etc. Or is this the essence of season 2?
@harmoniz: That asshole, she didn't ask for help. Serves her right. Awesome logic! It's so easy to ask for help. You're probably one of those people who says "don't be sad" to a patient with depression. If you don't know how a person feels in such a state, then maybe you shouldn't write what he should have done and what not?
@bichitoo: and you seem to be one of those who, without knowing a person, hisses at him. He was in a deep prolonged depression with a bunch of other mental problems.
@harmoniz: Well, congratulations on having it. And I've been living with her for half my life, suicide attempts are already something normal for me. And you know, there's no point not just asking for help! Even after a hell of a lot of time, even the closest ones. If it was easy for you to ask for help, then I'm happy for you. Well, it's fucking hard for most people. When you're already in the ambulance, even then it's difficult.
On the one hand, teenage stupidity is clearly visible, because in many ways it would be possible to fix everything. There are moments that defy logic, because you simply could not have done all this.
But in general, if we talk about the series itself, it was very well shot. Psychologically, you can feel what is happening and it attracts, of course. Many of the scenes were shot realistically in terms of action.
In general, everything is fine on the one hand, but on the other... There are disadvantages.
I am most amazed by the comments on this series, people are so evil and heartless..."Oh, so they call her a whore, they choose her as the best ass of the school?? Pfft, so what if her picture of her going down the hill was sent all over the school?? Just think, a poem that was written by her with all her heart, she asked not to show it to anyone, but it went all over the school anyway," etc. All these reasons accumulated for a long time, and besides, her soul was killed by rape, all this logically led to suicide...Everything could have changed because of one decision-Clay just shouldn't have left Hannah at the party, but should have been braver and confessed his feelings for her.
The series has a good, promising idea, but I didn't really like the implementation. Many of the 13 reasons seemed too exaggerated and sucked out of the finger (applicable to the series, not to real life), but questions often arose about the heroine herself and her actions in general, therefore, except for the last 2 episodes, it was very difficult to empathize with gg, and this, in my opinion, should have been the main thing. in this series.
at the beginning, I didn't like the series, I only delayed the series from episode 7, Hannah did a lot of stupid things. Why didn't she come out when her friend was raped, why didn't she scream when she was raped, I understand that I didn't tell anyone about the rape, it was a shame, but the guy needed to be punished, because it wasn't the first and maybe not even the 10th he had in his life, and vulnerable people can be everyone after such a blade or rock.... In short, the series is about Hannah's nonsense... I wonder what the second season is about, I ran to watch.
A strong series! The first episodes are a bit long-winded, but from the middle of the series, everything falls into place. I'm starting to watch the second season
I finished watching it. Yes, the series started promisingly, from the beginning... Then the stupidity of the gg began to go off scale and the inspection went simply by inertia - that is, ignoring this gg, switching to someone else. Probably, due to my age, the topic is no longer perceived by me as sharply as, say, ten years ago, but something tells me that even then I would not have changed my mind. I understand that everything is subjective and everyone thinks/feels their own way, but damn, people, who graduated from school a long time ago/recently? Who hasn't been ridiculed and bullied during the acute period of adolescent change? But we're all here, all alive, thank God. And after school, what. Don't we have one test on top of the other? And nothing, everyone is alive again. I'm talking about what I need. Subjectively, it is not understandable. Well, she turned out to be weak, sometimes. But if you think about all its causes, how much is happening at short intervals on the shoulders of a teenager, not? It was as if the author had studied the statistics and guided the heroine through all the points and at once ... The topic was raised, of course. But all the same, it's utopia in its own way - we need to look at each other better. Admit it all to yourself - is someone doing this? Or is everyone too selfish and self-centered?
In general, I see cynicism from the height of my experience, of course. If you overcome all the depression and the desire to commit suicide once...Moreover, this series will seem like just a representative of the genre. But everything would be fine if it weren't for the outspoken file from gg, and even more so her submission..Well, I don't feel like this young lady was really looking for a FRIEND in this group... naive. oh yeah... while Clay was right under her nose... In general, there are a lot of inconsistencies, especially in relation to gg and her environment, into which she desperately tried to fit in and which she then blasphemously blamed everything when it didn't work out..
All the characters are disgusting, I watched season 1 with great difficulty, I won't even start season 2. It seems like Hannah needs to feel empathy for the victim, but I don't have any sympathy for her. I agree with the comment above that the only tape Hannah needed to record was about herself. A man with maniacal persistence steps on a rake, everyone offends her, she is the only saint. Is my friend being raped? Oh, I'm going to sit in the closet and listen. Am I at my girlfriend's rapist's party? Oh, why not sit in a bathing suit in the Jacuzzi.
Well, it would seem that the story of Hannah Baker has ended, but to some extent it is just beginning. Hannah wasn't able to fix everything during her life, but I hope her tapes can. The glue in this series is simply amazing. He finally took all his willpower, all his anger, and took steps in the right direction. I'm really sorry for Alex, I hope he's going to be okay, although I could see that something was wrong with him, especially when he said he had no plans. If he died, then that's 3 deaths of teenagers. And then there's Tyler, who seems to be preparing to shoot everyone he doesn't like. It's scary, this word came to my mind when watching the series. You never know how others feel about your actions, how it affects them. Yes, Hannah was a little hysterical and took a lot to heart, and yes, he did stupid things and was just as unfaithful and bad as the ones she talked about on the tapes. We're all human and we're not perfect, and they're still teenagers. Therefore, I hope that the psychologist will be imprisoned as well. He's the only adult who hasn't done his job. And then he went around saying he had no idea. I thought he was normal, but as it turned out, he advised me to just score. I don't know who would be comforted by such advice. Hannah wasn't the best person, but she didn't deserve to die, she shouldn't have taken her own life. And most of all, I feel sorry for my parents, thank you that Tony finally gave me the recordings. It won't be easy listening to them, but they deserve the truth, they deserve to know that they're not to blame, just like Clay.
Everything has been said for me for a long time. The series is not bad, but one thing spoils everything very much. Hannah Baker. Seriously. That's not in a hurry. 13 reasons why. Actually, I only see one. Everything else... not that it's very pleasant. But she had people who could help her, who would be there for her. But she pushed everyone away... and she ruined everything. (Personally, I can only call her weak. And that's it.) She killed herself. And it's her fault.
I really like the rest of the characters (almost all of them) except for Hannah herself. I don't know if I'll be watching other seasons yet, but if I do, I really hope to reveal the rest of the characters.. and the development of Glue is desirable.. It's kind of sad to look at him.
But in general, it's not bad.. but Hannah has her own personality... That's for sure... There aren't even any words. She could be fine. Unfortunately, she ruined a lot of things herself...
at first, Hannah's reasons were not so significant, but now it becomes clear that the negative moments in Hannah's life accumulated one after another, it upset her, but she basically tried to live and be friends... until something happened that broke her completely.
I watched the first season and realized that I would not continue, because somehow it was not interesting to watch at the end. It's too long. There are no moments that would be able to catch on.
I watched season 1 when there were no other seasons yet. Everyone was just talking about this series. After watching it, I wanted to make a face palm. No, the series was shot well, the actors are normal, but here are the reasons... It's just ridiculous. Maybe they really commit suicide in America because of these reasons, but as a person living in Europe, I don't understand this.
Like many 13 episodes, I watched it all at once. I regretted it a lot. The depressive state is just in the air for a day. But a bar of chocolate and a bucket of ice cream fixed the situation. I don't like such nasty scenes. I was all twisted up inside, turned out and chewed up. I sat with my eyes half closed. I won't be watching season 2. For me, this story has already ended. I think this is a logical conclusion, and I think seasons 2 and 3 will only spoil the impression of season 1.
If you're reading this, I implore you not to watch this series any further. Everything you saw(a) Season 1 is the maximum in this project. Then there will only be a waste of time. Just trust me. Season 1 is great. I envy you that you only managed to watch it, but I beg you not to continue. It's utter nonsense. If you're super curious about how it ended, write to me and I'll let you know.
I haven't written anything on purpose until I've watched at least the first season, and now I want to discard its dubious usefulness as a "social agenda" and evaluate it as a series. This is pi##ec. It's been a long time since I've wanted to kill everyone so badly, starting with the characters and ending with those who wrote their dialogues. Dialogues are actually my favorite thing in this series. I don't like it when the structure of the narrative is such that everyone understands everything inside the cinema, but the viewer doesn't understand shit until the very last minutes - a cheap way to keep the viewer. But that's not why I "loved" the dialogues so much. Everyone here probably answers each other with a question most of the time! I'm serious. There were even combos where they took turns asking 6 questions in a row. And some phrases like "This should teach us that we should be better" sound so straightforward and clumsy that you realize that the hero is addressing her as if to the viewer. Many dialogues and actions are completely and completely meaningless. Very often, one or another hero comes to another, exchanges a couple of questions for a question, and leaves.- very revealing scenes, what to say. I especially liked the writers' move when Clay couldn't listen to his tape on the playground, and Tony took him to the hillside for no reason, so that there would be a scene where Clay wants to throw himself off him. I have no complaints about the actors' performance, but the characters' images seemed to me to be very exaggerated. Hannah is a walking magnet for trouble, and she was able to gather around herself just some absolute scum from all over the school. In short, I can't empathize. And a Chinese woman is just some kind of new level of scum.
And in the end, despite everything, you even get interested, and now you think that as a "social agenda about suicides" it will do, but for some reason the authors decided not to stop at one season, and they throw up twists about Alex and the photographer that are completely unnecessary for this series.
The guys knew Bryce was on the tapes, but they were discussing how to bring Clay to reason without him. They even talked to the homo and the photographer, but they didn't talk to their rich friend, against whom the most dangerous accusations were made. They didn't even warn him that Clay was causing problems. And Alex is good. I believed that the tapes were true, but I hung out with the rapist Bryce and his company.
You can scold or sympathize with the heroine for a long time. In my opinion, she made a lot of mistakes, and suicide is the main one. But that's not the point of the series. Working at school (yes, I teach), the issue of bullying is very acute among young people. And to destroy the stigma is a herculean task. Actually, during my school days, I had to experience it on my own skin. Have you ever had suicidal thoughts? - Of course, yes. Lack of understanding, bullying, problems with parents, loss of a familiar social circle - unfortunately, many people go through this. And how important it is to have a reliable shoulder nearby at such moments. Talk about the problem. Death is not an option.
There was less Hannah in the episode than usual, and it got better right away. The series raises important issues, but the main character here is exposed in such a light that instead of sympathizing, she will cause hostility...
I am very pleased that they reveal such topics in a language accessible to teenagers. Some scenes evoke horror from the brutality of what is happening, but then you realize that it's really happening, and it gets even scarier.
Hannah went to the school psychologist, and he told her 3-4 times that if she didn't tell him exactly what had happened, if she didn't tell him her name, then NO ONE WOULD BE ABLE TO DO ANYTHING. He outlined two options for her: 1. you say everything and then the case goes on 2. you forget and live on. She was so mad at him for suggesting that she forget everything! BUT she didn't want to tell me anything. Where is the logic? It was impossible to look at her in this scene because of her stupidity
@mona_liza: And what could she tell? Who would have believed her? The whore accuses the captain of two sports teams, the star of the school, without evidence. The psychologist did not refer her to the help groups for victims of violence, he was constantly distracted by the phone and pretended that he did not care.
Everyone is writing about the season as a whole, sharing their impressions and opinions. and I just want to say that my heart stopped at the moment when they showed "suicide". It all looked so realistic.. My legs just went numb, I thought I was going to lose consciousness, and I'm not exaggerating now. I thought I wasn't that impressionable, but it turned out the opposite. Bravo to the set and the actors😳😰
Wow, the series has exceeded all expectations. After I stopped reading the book, I didn't really hope for a good film adaptation. But here it is, a wonderful series.😌
Now in 2021, when this series is not widely known, I finally decided to watch it (I put it off for a long time because I heard that the series is most likely not for the evening, the topics are serious). The first 3 episodes were not easy for me, it didn't take too long, yes, the visual, the idea, the soundtrack and the actors are good, but it went slowly. BUT then the series "caught up" and now the story is really touching and I want to believe that the last 2 episodes are the best of this season. The series will definitely give something to think about (Clay's last words in the office of the "psychologist" (the psychologist from him, of course, is like cabbage from carrots), what are they worth), we all need be at least a LITTLE more tolerant and gentle towards each other. In general, it was not hours spent in vain, the series is worthy of attention. 🌠👀
I watched the first season in one go. I got so involved in the narrative that at the moment when Hannah cuts her wrists, I had to say to myself several times: "It's just Phil!". I was too impressed. The series is generally good! It's addictive and easy to watch a non-linear plot (some movies and TV series can't boast of this). He raises the right topics and draws logical conclusions. I definitely didn't waste my time watching it. I hope the next seasons won't be too slow.
But reading the comments on each episode is simply unbearable! So much anger and intolerance. So much condemnation, provocation, and snobbery.
I would like to say one thing, GOD FORBID that children, parents, teachers (or anyone else) get into similar situations and end up in the place of the characters! Take care of yourself and your loved ones! Be attentive and tolerant! Don't do evil! And help those who need help and support!!!
The series is good! It's a bit long-winded, blunt, and far-fetched in places, but overall it turned out to be a pretty catchy drama. I expected a typical youth series, but it turned out to be above the level, more serious, and at times I wanted to cry. In general, definitely above my expectations! I don't regret that I didn't sleep for two nights.
But the comments are sometimes surprising. Especially when they say that Hannah is a fool and an egotist, she committed suicide. They say many people had problems at school and nothing, they are alive and well. A lot of people of all ages, even adults, strong and successful, self-heal. What then can we say about a girl of this age, when she just moved and went to a new school, she has no friends, attempts to make friends lead to her being deceived, betrayed, humiliated, shamed throughout the school, after which all this repeats and repeats? And even when she "gave one last chance" and went to a psychologist, he turned out to be a bit shaky, he only made it worse. Oh, yes, despite the fact that she was also raped after all this harassment. How a girl might feel after that is anyone's guess.
It's also surprising that teenagers are expected to act like adults. And to report to the police, and to stop the rapist, and to tell the parents everything, including about the rape. I don't even want to comment on this nonsense here.
P.S. I, of course, do not justify suicide in any way, but if I went through all this at one time (there was no such thing), it does not mean that any other person will calmly survive. For some, it's a small thing, for others, the loss of the meaning of life.
It's scary to hear that Alex will shoot himself. But Tyler seems to be preparing to become a terrarist at school. Many people say that this season should have been over. Well, then we'll see further and we won't give an estimate ahead of time)
The series is cool. I really liked it. Basically, everything I feel about the series has already been said that there is nothing more to add.
I'm looking at 2023, and you know what, this season is just an example of what we've come to love about Netflix. In 2017, they shot in such a way that it was impossible to break away. I just plunged into the atmosphere of that time, thank you.
I'm really sorry that Alex decided to commit suicide after all..I thought that Justin would do it, well, because he also sucks, he has no real place to live and there is no one for whom he wants to live on. I also have questions for the photographer, did you really decide to shoot everyone? Otherwise, I don't understand why he needs so many weapons.
I didn't read all 763 comments, I probably won't have enough time for that. The first branch said everything for me))
No matter what you say, Hannah still didn't look like a suicide. She looked too determined. And she didn't even turn pale at the thought of slitting her wrists.
In general, I'm sorry for the girl, but I still consider self-intoxication to be too easy a solution to get rid of problems.
Clay's doing great, at least he's doing something. And even Skye invited her for a walk so that she wouldn't be sad, probably)))
Bryce is still a jerk, I hope he gets what he deserves in the second season.
Alex... 💔 Why? Maybe he hadn't fired the shot himself, after all. Tyler has a gun, he took his photo from the rope in the last frames... This raised doubts.
Greetings from 2024 :) I would like to stand on both sides of people who consider the reasons stupid for suicide, and good enough to commit suicide. when I was in school, I had problems with my parents, I was betrayed by "friends" and bullied by classmates. It all piled on top of me and formed into a snowball that wanted to crush me every minute. I cried a lot, cut my hands (and it really made me feel better) and even thought about suicide. I was lonely, hormones and transitional age were added to everything. but I found the strength, I lived through these terrible days and was able to survive them! I made a choice, went to another place, started a new life, and now five years later I'm reviewing this series, and the reasons no longer seem worthy to me. so the way you look at this story depends on your age and outlook on life. conclusions that can be drawn after viewing: 1. There is no need to be cruel to others, because you never know how your words or actions can affect them. 2. You need to value your life and look for the strength to fight. suicide is selfishness and the lot of the weak. you stop fighting and don't think about how it will affect your loved ones, you don't think that it can ruin someone else's life. you choose the easiest way. be kinder, appreciate your own and other people's lives. pay attention to your loved ones! look for support in other people (there will always be one) and give it to others!
@viktoria7328: I am very glad that you managed to cope with everything! But my advice for the future is never to tell people who are suicidal that suicide is the lot of the weak. You are not in their shoes and it is not for you to judge whether they are weak or strong, good reasons for suicide or not. There are people who can survive hell and move on, and there are those who are hurt by one word and hurt in the heart. We are all different, we all have different psyches. And the words that suicide only makes it worse for weaklings are not words of help. More than one NORMAL psychologist and psychiatrist in life will not say such words to a person who wants to commit suicide, because most likely such words will just push to commit suicide, and not vice versa.
It's a very difficult series. He made me remember my school years, what bullying I had to go through at school and what an indelible mark it left on my whole life. Looking at adulthood, it seems that well, yes, it's tough, but are these reasons for suicide? But remembering yourself at that age, you realize that every little thing there can seem like the end of the world.. hormones, youthful maximalism, and a bunch of other things. And in the end, we let go of thoughts about the past and now I'm thinking about the future - how to help my child, how to make him ask for help, tell me what's going on, and not become the one who is being bullied and the one who is being bullied. It's so scary..
@colorsoul: I'll give you a plus. I watched it as an adult and I was very touched by how everything was told. Teenagers often hide it, my personal history of bullying confirms this, and most often it's from a lack of communication in the family. I had a loving mother, but I was still afraid of her anger and dissatisfaction with me. That's why I didn't talk about what was happening at school. But in general, this grew out of the fact that the older children get, the more independent they become, the less parents talk to them or ask seriously how their day is. I will try to keep such confidential conversations with my daughter as much as I can, so that she never feels that she is alone and knows that her mother will stand up for her if someone offends her.
Discussion: Season 1, Episode 13 Join the Discussion
775Clay touched my soul. The guy is a little out of this world, going about his business, he is not particularly interested in school squabbles, but he will be the catalyst, the lever through which the truth will come out. The actor plays very well, there was not a single moment where I heard a false intonation from him. I sympathized with the character and sincerely worried about him.
The last episodes brought me to tears. Can it really leave anyone normal indifferent at all? Chuika didn't let me down, I guessed from the trailer what would happen, but, damn it, how I wanted to be wrong. To raise such a topic... it is necessary.
The series really touched me, I wrote a comment under the impression, 5 in the morning, it's time to go to sleep for an hour before work, if thoughts will let me fall asleep.
not to drink and not to go to the entrance is a way of life that everyone chooses or does not choose. and do not impose the idea that "nothing good happens at these parties." IT happens if you have fun with people you know well and trust, i.e. with friends. and violence on the part of some asshole in relation to a female representative can overtake in any place and at any "parade", for example, on the way home late in the evening. the statistics are terrifying, and you are "to blame" here. the girl was not the most determined, especially in a depressed state, and she also wanted to find friends, to understand why she did not fit into any company.
I am glad to have a large number of comments in which people are against victimshaming. And you said the right thing about violence, no one is immune from it.
that's the thing about no one. and she really wanted to find friends, and maybe make friends with Jess again.
>But you need to think about the consequences of your actions.
what actions? what did she do wrong to deserve such treatment from her peers?
>And if it happened, then deal with them, and not cut veins.
Well, I'm glad that everything is so simple for you and you are such a solid self-sufficient strong personality. It's really harder to live than to get drunk yourself. "suicide is for weaklings," Sky also said, and she's right. but not everyone can. why condemn a person who made such a decision? yes, it is weakness, yes, it is selfishness towards those who remained, but it was her choice and her life.
Are you saying that because Hannah was sitting in her underwear in the Jacuzzi, Bryce raped her? Is that how you justify his actions?
or maybe he did it because he's a complete asshole???!!!!!! because he believes that a woman is his property and that a woman owes him and a woman is a thing???
God grant that you understand this. and so that this never happens to you.
Here I already wanted to vomit from the rape scenes, it was just awful and God forbid anyone to go through this.
I wasn't talking about television, I was writing about people's reactions, which, and you can argue with me, but was negative. Not everyone, but many people with whom I discussed the situation think so. It's her own fault. And my comment was about the reaction: "About the parties, I'm referring to the situation a month ago on our television. A very revealing case. If you got drunk and you were raped, it's your own fault. We have a lot of people who think so (the moralistic comment above confirms this)." I didn't say in what way it was presented by the first channel. I answered the girl's attack about "stay at home, don't drink, you will be happy." As said above, this can happen anywhere. I have read very interesting studies on this topic, which prove theses that a large percentage of women suffer from their close environment (dads, grandfathers, uncles, friends).
PS: under so many TV shows that I watched, I saw your comments! I am pleased with polite people who reasonably criticize you
About getting drunk and being raped - that's really nonsense, the episode with Jessica and Bryce is proof of that. She was lying almost like a corpse (almost necrophilia), limp, and he took advantage of her moment of weakness. Moreover, you can get into such a situation not only from alcohol intoxication, I read somewhere that some doctor after administering anesthesia to his patients raped them. Here they went to the doctor. So to the principle of "do not drink and you will be happy" you can add "do not go to the doctor", "never leave the house at all", because an attacker can wait for an elementary near the entrance. No one is immune from this.
"Murder" watched, really creepy. I was also horrified by the scene from "Irreversibility", an incredibly heavy film.
P.S. it's nice to hear! It's even nicer to see the same polite people :)
And what do we see?! everyone who put a minus sign thought it out and drew conclusions themselves, and not concerning yoggik's statement. It's like a rumor, Hannah's a giver! Oh damn, there was only a kiss, wasn't there? We watch TV shows, but we don't draw conclusions.
Actually, starting from the first minutes, I liked the series. but the longer I watched it, the more disgusted I became with the main character. In short, I can say what got me the most.
1. Alleged rape. Even the director told her the absolute truth: if you didn't resist, didn't even ask to be released, but just accepted, then by definition there is no rape. In any case, if a woman doesn't want to, she will do everything, scratch out her eyes, scream, bite off her ear, but at least she will fight. And yet, she was asked to tell about everything. Did she think they'd just take her word for it that she'd been raped?
2. When she told Clay a hundred times to get out of the room, and with such a fee. It's crazy to think that he'll stay to feel sorry for her. Clay is not a telepath to guess the thoughts of a girl with PMS.
3. Let's face it, she was a popular girl at school. And the whole series pretended that she was being bullied. Although she could have arranged everything differently, turned everything to her advantage.
4. She saw her friend being raped. Even if she had patted Bryce on the back, he would have fucked up and run away from there. And so, there was a good opportunity to accuse him of rape without being the victim herself.
5. And last but not least, what makes me so sad. How can you take everything so personally?! How can you be so naive?
And if anyone thinks that we are discussing this here, being greenhouse plants from prosperous families, I hasten to disappoint you. I know absolutely everything that Hannah went through.
And let's ask the experts a question, does Hannah have a strong or weak character?
Absolutely nothing had happened in her life that couldn't be fixed or overcome. After all, no one died, but only death cannot be fixed.
It's very naive to think that a rich dad's son will be charged with rape because "he ran away after I patted him on the back." And even more naively, Hannah had to fight back. We're all very smart when we watch a series like this and think that we would have given everyone a hard time, this wouldn't have happened to us. We can all be in a bad situation, without exception, so it's definitely not the victims who need to be blamed.
And it was rape, she turned around to get out of the pool. And Bryce confessed, he understood what he was doing, even he.
I totally agree. but this is an unpopular opinion. It is believed that her life was unbearable. one stopped being friends, the second took a picture, the third anonymously printed the poem, the fourth shot down the sign. how to live after this is completely unclear. she drove everyone away (although Tony always remained loyal to her there, no one else was needed with such a friend) and suffered that no one loved her. Yes, they were raped, but thousands of women continue to live after this.
What about Jessica? Was it her fault she was asleep? Is this a case where both sides are to blame?
It's impossible to be guilty of violence when a huge bulk is pressing down on you, bruising you, strangling you, etc., and you're trying to get out. And some are paralyzed with fear.
When they tried to rape me as a child, I was silent out of fear, it's unclear how I escaped at all.
They rape you everywhere, and people don't care what kind of clothes you wear or what kind of past you have. Even if you put on a hijab and stand in a corner, this fate may overtake you there.
Yes, it's better to minimize situations in which you can fall into the clutches of a rapist, but even close people can rape.
We women are free to go where we want, with whom we want. No one can rape us. A guy cannot be provoked, they are not animals, but people, they lack animal instincts (otherwise all men would rape all women). If he raped, it was entirely his decision.
It doesn't matter where you were or what you were wearing, are 10-month-old children being raped, girls in black bags, were they also in the wrong place, in the wrong clothes?
When it gets to people that rape is only the rapist's fault.
When drunk, the worst traits of people most often awaken, and many people "lose their minds," "lose their balance," and "lose their brakes." This is A WELL-KNOWN fact. You have to think about the consequences anyway. She might not have expected to be raped, but she still had to escape FROM there BEFORE, not cut her wrists AFTER.
The entire cast has already managed to fall in love with so many new talented faces. I will be glad to see them in new projects. ♥
I definitely liked it, I waited until the very end to see exactly how it would end. Of course, there were suspicions about Bryce, but until the last moment I hoped that this, excuse my French, asshole would be punished.
The only thing is that I don't understand Justin at all. Yes, you're a scared kid trying to protect your girlfriend (in a way, you can even understand him), but damn it, Bryce has already raped at least TWO people, driving one of them to suicide.And you know about it and you live quietly in his house, smoking weed. Fuck human qualities, of course.
Psychologists explained that the result of Justin's inaction is adherence to the so-called bro-code, when friends share everything and do not consider it something shameful, and also support each other, no matter what. Justin tried to convince himself that Bryce's behavior was normal, that he couldn't betray a friend who had helped him so many times (as he himself tells Jessica when he broke into her house). It's terrible that such a culture exists at all, when you turn a blind eye to a crime, even if it was committed by your friend.
P.S. there's a great version of this murder in the comments below, about the second season
Wouldn't it be better to put an end to this?
And therefore, in my opinion, suicide cannot be justified, no matter what terrible things happen to a person. Yes, it was hard for Hannah, but she found a lousy way out.
Teenage fucking maximalism. Hannah didn't think about the fact that her parents wouldn't be able to live after that. Although somehow in this series, the parents really seem to be moving on, supporting each other. Of course, yes, Hannah was completely disappointed in life, all people were terrible, everything was evil and unfair, I didn't want to live in such a world.
But suicide is terribly selfish. To wait out this moment of disappointment for a while and could continue to live somehow when all the wounds were not so fresh. Antidepressants, therapy.
It's the school counselor's fault.
Although Hannah really plays out the drama a lot, this whole "I said get the fuck out of here, why did you leave, I wanted you to stay" thing is terribly immature and manipulative. She and Clay wouldn't have had a normal relationship anyway.
It's a pity that they were very weak, as it seemed to me, on violence, given that now this whole topic with slat-shaming (and other shaming) and other horrors is trending.
Actually, I thought this stalker was going to start shooting at school. By the way, it's quite possible that the second season is about how school shootings happen. There have been many precedents in America.
The scariest thing is that it's all a cruel reality. All this bullying is really happening in the world, children are suffering. Therefore, for some, everything ends exactly the same way as for Hannah. I really liked the series, and I openly sobbed over some of the moments. Now it has become one of my favorites.
The series is very good! I looked at it all at once. The series are heartwarming, and some are even too violent, but they perfectly convey the situation and people's actions. I was very touched by Clay's record, and I'm terribly sorry for him and Hannah. In general, so many opportunities have been missed due to stupidity, weakness, envy, fear, and many other reasons. These feelings make you make the wrong decisions. It's good that the truth came out and Hannah was heard. But it's a pity that the only way to be heard is suicide.
Which doesn't justify it at all, because in order to listen and empathize with what's already happening, you don't need any special education.
I've come across this book many times, but I haven't had any particular desire to read it. It seemed to me that this was another book for teenagers like "Paper Towns".
I've never been so wrong before.
All the time I was watching, I was worried and at the same time hated these characters. The cast is very well chosen, their performance is pleasant to watch, there is no pretense.
As for the plot itself..
This is something that needs to be talked about, something that needs to be dealt with somehow. And probably it will never outlast itself. I just want everyone who has watched to learn a lesson for themselves. After all, we are all not without sin.
The murder and violence scene is a horror and a nightmare, much scarier than similar scenes from Game of Thrones, because you understand the realism of these situations.
It also seemed that the series was slightly suspended in the mid–noughties –not surprising, of course, because the book was from 2007, it probably got in the way – but there were TOO few topics with social networks, no one really uses text messages anymore – the dawn of messengers, except for a couple of mentions - nothing, it's a shame. That's why it seemed a little like the series wasn't about the present (with all the iPhones and stuff).
Well said!
The message, in principle, is clear - don't be an asshole and don't rape. I absolutely agree with the latter. But with the first one... Yes, the sexy list is some shit, but FUCK, it's SUCH A DUMB REASON. And YES, it's good that the series at least showed that people react differently to the same thing - Hannah was offended by the "best ass" nomination, but the other girl's "best lips" nomination only gave her more confidence. The moral follows from this - you never know what you can and can't say, because everyone perceives everything differently.
What was also infuriating was Hannah, who spent the entire plot whining about how all guys were assholes and assholes, while paying attention EXCLUSIVELY to outspoken assholes and agreeing to meet with them (Zach, for example), but considering Clay "exceptional" she never allowed him to at least try to be with her.. Lo-gi-ka.
Well, yes, the main message is good, but the stupidity of the heroine was completely freezing.
All the other characters, I think, are well-developed. 10/10
Of course, I really want to hope that everything is as you say) But still, her behavior is very contradictory, not only the act of suicide itself is stupid, but also other inconsistencies are constantly in the actions themselves, there were silly moments.
And Nikita, stop pretending like you don't know me :D
We'll talk about it on Monday)
I still haven't decided for myself what to do in a parent's place. There is too much theoretical material, and each individual teenager is a unique personality. I have friends who have already become parents, and mostly I see that they don't have time. There's no time to remember that they were also going through a stage of growing up and becoming a personality. I am inclined to believe that the ideal option is to teach a child to read, and monitor the quality of the reading material. It's better for eggs to teach a chicken than to rot in their shell.
You know about such statistics that a person who has already attempted suicide is very likely to finish what he started sooner or later.
In my opinion, Hannah didn't have "everything is bad," she had mental problems, but not from the circumstances, but "from birth." And even if she had dated Clay, she would have found moments in her life that made her think about suicide again.
But that doesn't change the fact that Hannah is a bit (a lot) beaten up and drama queen, and she got herself involved in some of these situations. On the other hand, she's a teenager, and it's quite realistic.
So she didn't hesitate to cut her veins in front of her parents, and she was too shy to turn to a psychologist or a psychotherapist. And how can you sympathize with such a person?
Hannah and Clay turned out to be very soulful and deep, but Alex still fell in love more. Although it was hard to believe that everything would be okay with him (even in the third episode it seemed that he would not swim out of that pool), hope died for a long time. I feel sorry for him and Jeff the most. There's still Jessica, but there's at least some hint of light at the end of the tunnel.
And the episode is okay for the season finale, but it's not the same for the series finale. The four most innocent people riding off into the sunset is cute, but I still believe in the second season, there were a lot of seeds for this.
And I'll tell you. I can't speak for everyone who watched this series. but I can definitely say for myself that it wasn't a burden to me. when you get very involved in the plot, the characters and their experiences, a whole hour passes like five minutes.
I repeat, if the series is bullshit, then why waste time and watch it? Well, if this series is, as you said,
"for sensitive youngsters," then it means that you are one of them)
When I go to the comments for the last episode, I just want to read both positive and negative comments. I haven't watched this series, I wanted to read the reviews, I'm not afraid of spoilers. By the way, it's very easy to distinguish the dissatisfied ones, since mostly those who liked it are watching to the end. And they'll skip all the others.
Thanks to those who are not afraid to leave criticism in recent episodes so that you can look at both points of view. It is clear that the phrase "bullshit for sensitive youngsters" is a rather poor criticism, but still it is.
And I can see what else those who didn't like are watching, how similar their tastes are to mine. Soryan, what did you pour out your thoughts here?
In the case of this series, this did not happen. At the end, they show a strong personal tragedy involving rape, but gg herself does not cause much regret and from the very first episodes seems to be the most superfluous in this narrative.
I watched it because I was just interested in the denouement. Usually, episodes are quickly rewound in order to understand the essence and not torment themselves with obvious dialogues, but here it didn't work out that way: frequent flashbacks, shuffled events - you'll never understand what happened. So I had to watch the rest of it in the background, reading the comments on each episode in parallel - they were MUCH more interesting than the series itself, which for some reason was also renewed for a second season. Of course, I won't watch it, but at least in the first story the denouement became more or less clear.
My opinion remains the same: suicide is not an option; everyone has difficulties, and our task is to find a decent solution and help, as well as analyze and change OUR behavior before putting an end to our lives and everyone around us. Hannah is an unsuccessful attempt to show all the possible (and rather hackneyed) twists and turns of teenage life on one character, but I think smart teenagers can draw useful conclusions "from the opposite" - how not to act in a given situation and what could be done.
I sincerely wish you (and myself) reasonable decisions!
It's a serious topic, I'm not arguing. it was well shot, atmospheric ...
but somehow everything is delayed ...
yes, this really happens in life. it's elementary: how many times I was bullied at school, how many attempts I made to get drunk, treatment, psychologists...
the reasons for this young lady don't seem serious to me. Yes, there are many of them. little things. but I can still say that she is too sensitive. that's all.
I don't think I'll remember this series again (you can take a downside) just for the reason that I've seen much more impressive stories.
I can think of many people I know who have lived and are living in much worse circumstances than this girl. Apart from rape, everything here is teenage, with age you accept the fact that people are bastards, and you are not surprised by this. But even rape is not a reason at all. Well, that's it.
Well, of course, I'm not a particularly empathic dude myself, but fuck. Are you seriously expressing your support for Hannah now? That selfish pig who couldn't even write a note to her parents?
Maybe I shouldn't tell you what to do and to whom in such a situation? Has someone decided to commit suicide? but this is his life, what right does someone completely alien have to meddle in such personal matters and point out, even dictate that he, such an egoist, needs to stop thinking about it and start improving his existence right now.
Do you want to make your life better? for God's sake, do whatever you think is necessary for yourself personally, even though every morning in front of the mirror you pathetically repeat that life is priceless, it is given alone and further down the list.
Or a man with an incurable disease, and every day it's pain and torture, and only morphine saves him if he runs out of money, so tell him that life needs to be improved.
The hypothetical Hannah has the same situation, maybe less unbearable, but it doesn't matter, people are different.
In the end, it all boils down to the philosophical question "What is the meaning of life?" to which there is no answer. I believe that life itself has meaning, so depriving yourself of it without making every effort to save yourself is unacceptable.
And all this was not said for the sake of pathos, it's just that the phrase "life is priceless" reflects how I see this issue. Suicide cannot be justified.
At first, I didn't understand why there was this character in the book at all, but then everything fell into place. Skye was next.
Clay finally realized what she was going to do and decided to save her.
I just watched the end of the season and I have some kind of strange feeling in my soul, unpleasant, especially after the rape scene. It's very good that we decided to make this series anyway, because the problems presented there are very relevant now, and I hope that at least someone will think about them and treat friends and classmates differently. What if there's a girl like Hannah among them?
Hannah on her last day, her doomed walk.. And he notices a girl in the crowd with the same look, with the same gait; he calls out to her.
and Skye also said about her scars: "this is what you do to avoid suicide." that is, she didn't just have suicidal thoughts, like most people probably do. it came to self harm. so Skye, by all accounts, even by the ones that were shown in the series (I haven't read the book), could be next.
for this reason, I'm sorry that Clay didn't think about Alex, who was also clearly in a depressed, deeply depressed state, as well as Tyler, whom he humiliated himself. But Clay is not a saint or a hero, unfortunately, to save everyone.
I hope Alex survives, because he was my favorite character after Clay.
The suicide scene was filmed....I don't even know... incredibly and very much amazing!
I've been roaring all the recent episodes(
It can take a long time to describe the series, the actors, the characters, and at the same time it is incredibly difficult, because a whole storm of emotions is raging.
All I can say is that this series, like the tapes, needs to be watched to the end in order for the story to develop, in order to understand Hannah's condition, whatever...I don't even know....This series just needs to be watched!
In general, my mother always told me that "there is nothing worth committing suicide over, come to me and we will sort everything out." Hannah's mom also looked quite understanding. So the girl is really drama queen.
I agree with your mother, but I still think that not everyone could survive rape, so this reason seems logical for suicide, but only this one.
In my opinion, Hannah just drove herself into depression from the start.yes, some of the problems with the tapes were unpleasant and overwhelming, but some of it was just that someone didn't guess what Hannah was thinking, saying the opposite) she herself made very few attempts to improve her life, ignoring her own experience and the experience of others.
Hannah is not to blame for the rape, but for the most part she is to blame for her own depressing moral state, in which rape simply cannot survive, of course.
Like almost any Netflix series, I watched it in one gulp, without getting enough sleep and skipping a couple. At first glance, it may seem that this is a simple school drama only for a teenage audience, but no: This is a topical story, with acute issues, artfully made in terms of visual narrative, with a really exciting plot and beautifully crafted characters. It reveals not only the problem of teenage suicide, it is an honest portrait of a modern high school student and the education system, and relationships between people, in principle. They are not used to talking about issues of loneliness, depression, guilt, and violence either in schools or in top TV series about schools. Thanks again to Netflix for the strong story and new faces.
Overall, the series is bombastic. Many thanks to the creators, because recently nothing has been so catchy.
Many people here sympathize with Hannah, and I kind of understand and sympathize with her, it seems like a lot of things have happened to her, but this is not the worst thing that could happen to a 16-year-old girl. Maybe I've just grown out of this age too long ago, but for me it all looks like a victory for youthful maximalism and an attempt to prove "look what you did to me, let it feel bad for you now, and you'll understand how I felt," but in fact Bryce has never repented, those who those who bullied her only got angry at her because of these tapes, and those who truly loved her suffered the most. Well, I feel sorry for Alex too. In short, the girl did a lot of things.
The suicide scene is simple... I dunno, I haven't writhed in a chair like this while watching 127 Hours and cutting off my arm with a blunt Chinese knife.
And for all those who blame Hannah for not going to the police.: You heard the counselor if the girl wasn't screaming or twitching because she was paralyzed by fear, like everything was normal and nothing happened. All over the world, rape victims do not go to the police because of the shame and the nightmarish process when you need to tell everything in detail, go through the examination, and they may not believe you. Shame is the key word. Being in a deep depression at the time of the rape, Hannah, it seems to me, simply stopped feeling like a human being. She didn't feel like she was alive, or that her life meant anything to anyone. In this state, a person, yes, seriously thinks that his family will be better off without him. When you ride an attraction, I do not know, and you are afraid that it will collapse, do you understand that this is a stupid irrational fear? But you can't help yourself. A person can simultaneously understand one thing with his mind, but experience something completely different, and reason will not help in any way.
In short, guys, if you think that Hannah is a fool and the reasons are bullshit, then you are unlikely to commit suicide. But for God's sake, take this series into service. Be kinder to people. Keep an eye on your friends and children. Yes, even such "bullshit" can push a person to commit suicide, remember this and help people in need.
It's good that they are currently filming TV series on such relevant topics for many. After all, many people have been through this, but not everyone can survive it. Many people, like Hannah, decide to leave... And so, maybe the series will reach someone.
The best new product of the year so far.
I think that was the idea of the authors (+ Clay's scar on his forehead).
I've been waiting a long time for this series to be released, and I knew it would be amazing.
Guys! Attention!! children 12-17 years old. Please don't take the bathroom scene as a beginner's guide! Also, don't take the main character herself as an example. You don't need to give people semi-transparent hints and expect them to run after you and fall on their knees. People can't read your mind. Only you are responsible for yourself and your life. If you have loving parents, then you are lucky, but even they are not omnipotent. Therefore, it is very important to love yourself and help yourself. If you have problems, don't be silent and don't beat around the bush. Tell people what's bothering you.
And if practicing psychologists also happen to come here, I'm contacting you. Don't be like that black school doctor))0) more responsible, adults, more responsible.
Show me at least one point where there is logic in the actions of the main character.
I mean, first of all, let's teach children to be kinder and more attentive to each other, to show sensitivity and compassion.
And then there will be no question of any suicides (for the most part).
There are no "queues" in the real world. And this applies not only to children. In general, everyone needs to be kinder and more attentive to each other on the one hand. And don't follow the bad example of suicides with another one.
And your comment is accusatory. Don't do that. There may also be impressionable people among the readers who will move from one category to another.
1. Is Bryce dumb? Or what? These are his words to Justin: "what have you done right now?" "What the fuck?" Does he really not understand what he's doing? Well, Rilly, he's just a fucked up dude. Does the grass not wear out of it already? I do not know how to react. Thanks to NewStudio and his way of translating, I just laughed hysterically at Bryce's behavior (I finally remembered his name). I do not know what else to add, but I repeat that he is finished.
2. Hannah, my sweet, sweet Hannah. Why didn't you just go up to Clay and tell him you needed him? Zainka, why are you so dumb? Why did you seek solace from some assholes and leftist people if you could go to him and tell him why you behaved like that at the party? Why didn't you just say, "Hi, Clay. I'm completely destroyed and broken. I love you. I need you." Why am I sitting here right now, thinking about things that won't happen in this story, and I want to burst into tears because of it? So much has not been said, so much has not been done. Hannah, you made the wrong move.
Speaking of guns. At the end of the last episode, they showed an ambulance and a bullet in the head. I've been wondering who it is for a long time. Watching episode 13, I thought it was a flash forward. There were several options: Tyler shot himself or shot Clay, Justin shot himself or shot Bryce, or maybe Clay, Bryce shot Clay because of the tapes. But the bitch!!!! I did not expect such a turn. When Tyler (the fucking faggot, the most infuriating Persian) took a photo of Alex, I thought he had shot Alex. The immediate question is: for what? Snot, growing anxiety, and the director with bad news. Damn, my sunshine of the series!!! I sincerely hope that there will be a season 2, and sweet Alex, who, by the way, has been on Clay and Hannah's side all this time, wanted to admit that he will live. Well, we need to find out what's going on with Tyler, what the Bakers will get in the end, and other innuendos. It's a damn terrible show! I hate you, Netflix!
Maybe I wasn't paying attention, of course.
Of course, there are still a lot of questions after the end. What was the fate of the guys from the tapes, in particular Bryce's asshole? I hope he was brought to justice after all. Alex's suicide was a complete surprise. He seemed to be the most normal of the group, the only one who said that Hannah was telling the truth on her notes and was aware of his guilt. At the end of the twelfth episode, on the episode with the ambulance, I thought at first that someone had killed Clay, but no. Why did Alex do this? Where and with whom was Justin left, completely broken by the end of the series? Why would Tyler need a gun? Why did he take Alex's photo? Did Hannah's parents win a court case against the school? What was the psychologist's condition after listening to the tapes?
At the moment of Hannah's suicide, my heart seemed ready to stop. The pain from the cuts was felt physically on his own body. I watched, mostly with my eyes squeezed shut, because it was eerily realistic. The moment her parents entered the bathroom destroyed my composure altogether. The actors conveyed the atmosphere wonderfully.
And, actually, I would like to add that after this series, the desire to live increased. It seems to me that through the pain and experiences of the characters, it is shown more than clearly that suicide is not always an option, and that you need to be kind to everyone and appreciate those who are dear to you, because you never know what this or that person is going through.
the scene of Hannah in the bathtub. I really liked the fact that they didn't add tragic music or anything. after all, there is no such thing in life. When my parents came in, my heart just stopped.
. Thanks, netflix, the series flew by in one breath!
I really liked the new actors. Thanks to Netflix for one more year. But I hope that there will be no continuation. Everything is more or less over, although, of course, I would like to see Bryce imprisoned for what he did.
When there was a scene in the ambulance where they were talking about a bullet wound to the head, I was sure that it was either Justin who tried to commit suicide, or he shot Bryce. But Alex? I didn't expect this at all. Will there be a second season? And is a second season needed? It seems like there is a groundwork, but it seems like the essence has been conveyed and the series is over. Well, let's see.
Tony is such a good guy that :(((
Jessica is very sorry. "Dad? I have something to tell you."
As far as I remember, her father was portrayed as strict, but he's hardly an abuser like Justin's family, and he'll understand and support her.
Hannah, who "he's not following me, his doors are closed" is such a dumbass. I hate all these teen dramas and people who can't think. I understand perfectly well that no one understands children, and what problems they may have, and blablabla. But if she wanted to ask for help, she would have gone to her parents rather than to the school psychologist. She has normal, understanding parents! They would have supported her. I really feel sorry for them.
As a result: a mix of the films "It's good to be quiet" and "It's Kind of a Funny Story" with the game "Life is strange". There are some throw-ins, like in the game, and about the same theme. It's more interesting to watch about adult depression and suicide, especially when the characters aren't so dumb.
I watched this game and I feel like Dobby, who was given a sock: Dobby is free. The devil knows how people WATCHED it, I was watching the whole series.
Oh, and one last thing: if the film adaptation is better than the book, and everyone says it is, how shitty should the book be? Wow, it's simple. :)
>mental disorder, like depression
Bitch, you're so dumb.
it was incredible, as if you yourself were a student of this school and watching all the events in real time.
netflix continues to delight. Obviously, the series is based on the book, and very skillfully and efficiently. The main thing is that they don't shoot the sequel, because they'll ruin everything with it.
and the series has a huge 5 out of 5 and an honorable place in the list of favorites.
NETFLIX GODS. After watching episode 1, wtf dramma queen 80 lvl.
2. But after the second one, how did I get involved. This is definitely a foundation for success and the Golden Globe because This is a NEW ORIGINAL SERIES, i.e. not a continuation of the old series that no one needs anymore, which is being made for money.(there are 100 such series, believe me)
3. In fact, "everything", i.e. almost all the characters are spelled out perfectly, not the sledge "CW" where everything is very bad, you know...
4. To be honest, I haven't read the book, but again I looked at the reviews and surprisingly it looks almost incomparable against the background of the series
5. The atmosphere. Soundtracks. Visual transitions approx. (I touched the Helmet and the transition to a memory when Hannah called him a Helmet, and such transitions occur in every episode throughout the series and do not hurt the eyes.)
6. The most important thing is that most likely all of these are TOPICS that are discussed in the series. Abuse/bulling/rape/easy drugs/drinkandrive/responsibility/ignoring/suicide.
For example, the NETFLIX platform is one of the most popular online viewers on the web.
They can take responsibility and convey to large masses of people that all these problems exist and they are worth talking about and solving.
7. This is probably the strangest and most banal reason, but still.
OH MY GOD, THE ACTORS ARE REAL, THEY LOOK LIKE SCHOOLCHILDREN AT LAST.
(the main part of them)
8. SCENES of violence and suicide ARE EASY TO FUCK.
I just want to go out on the balcony and smoke....
9. And in conclusion, I would like to say thank you that we live in the era of the INTERNET.
where everything is FREE. AND THANKS FOR THE TRANSLATIONS OF THE SABBS.
I will always insist on watching TV shows with SUBS if possible,
otherwise almost the whole atmosphere disappears completely. and there are PROBLEMS WITH ACCESS...or by AIR... or well, you get it)))
P/S
ALEX WHYYYYY!!! CYKA WHY????????
(if you read this, write in the comments
who is your favorite character ^^ it will be nice to know^^)
the way, since you liked this topic, watch the movie Disconnect
, almost the same thing, but the bias is more towards problems in society due to the Internet
https://www.kinopoisk.ru/film/465649/
many actors are 21 or younger...
Spectacular, strong, emotional, atmospheric.
I want to say that I will never be able to understand Hannah, and throughout the episodes, I tearfully thought only of her poor parents, who absolutely did not deserve this, but it is very, very difficult to feel sorry for Hannah herself. Yes, she had to go through some shitty moments, but who doesn't? How could anyone, being such a seemingly normal, reasonable, intelligent girl, want to end her life for these reasons? This is a high school. Who even remembers about her, starting right after graduation? How could Hannah not understand that? How could you love Clay, and instead of trying to start a normal relationship with him and focus on some hobby, decide to do this? And that's with such good parents. How could she not even leave a note for them, how could she not mention them at all? I've been thinking about that the whole series. I also admired the game of Dylan Minnett and his strongest character Clay. I wanted to hate Hannah not only because of what she put her parents through, but also this poor guy. What did he do to deserve all this? But not only did he listen to it all, he also did so many things that "Hannah would have wanted." An amazing character who will stay in my thoughts for a long time. And in this whole story, I really want him to be happy the most.
Among the disadvantages, I would note many illogicalities in the actions of the main character and her inconsistency with the image of an adequate offscreen narrator. Well, the stereotypical propaganda cliches of the left-liberal camp: a multiracial hodgepodge of actors,
There are more than half a dozen homosexual characters out of the so small total, and the main villain is a healthy, rich, heterosexual white man.
Thanks to Netflix for such a wonderful series♥
The actors played 100%, each conveyed the character and emotions of their character to the fullest. I think it was the right decision not to cast Selena as Hannah. I can't even imagine anyone else in this role now.
I remember the footage showing happy Hannah and Clay holding hands, overcoming difficulties together. And it becomes so...Not sad, no. This word is not enough to describe the weight that I felt on my shoulders, on my soul, on my heart after the closing credits. I don't think I can let go of this story so easily after I've "carried" it through myself.
I'm really sorry that I couldn't watch this series when I was still in school.
We were actually so violent, sometimes deep and a couple just "dead."
I wish this hadn't happened to anyone, I wish as many people as possible had seen this series and understood what they were just "shouting" about, BUT I'm afraid many wouldn't hear anything. Very sorry.
Thank you so much for the work of Netflix and thank you so much, and a bow to the person who put a lot of effort into making this series - Selena Gomez.
"Come on, tell me."
"something happened. Something bad.
"Were you raped?"
"I don't know
"Did you resist?"
"No," I said.
"Did she say no?"
"tell me what happened." Who was it?
"I can't tell you
"tell me, and then I can help you."
- No, I have a tape in my backpack. If you help me, the series won't work.
"Damn, well, okay
- I won't tell you...
- but what do you want from me?
- (running out the door) CATCH UP with MINYA!!!1
- (looking tiredly after) fucking schoolchildren...
If a person does not want to be helped, it is impossible to help him, and he will also pull on himself.
PS: It will be a bummer if he self-heals
I started watching the series because it's Netflix. I didn't know anything about the book at all. Yes, I watched it to the end. Yes, it was stupidly interesting how it would end. Maybe she didn't die at all. But each episode burned more and more from her actions and motivations. The only clear reason is rape. But was it? The scene was shown not even from Hannah's words (which is not true), but as Clay presented it after listening to the tape. It seems that she herself had already given up on everything and simply did not resist. And then she got disgusted. Of course, this does not justify the actions of this duck, but nevertheless. The situation with the tapes is completely absurd. It doesn't seem like the actions of a broken, desperate man who wants to end everything as soon as possible. More like a calculated revenge plan. A plan after which another person committed suicide. A plan that has brought so much suffering to parents. And the choice of the tapes suggests that she was not right in the head.
What we have in the bottom line. An unbalanced person has chosen a way to solve all their problems. Was that the only way? No. Was that the best way? No. Suicide in this situation is complete stupidity. It's hard to empathize with this. And when you don't empathize with the characters and don't understand the logic of their actions, it's hard to adequately evaluate the entire series.
PS: I remember one girl grabbed my balls at school. I also have big lips, and everyone noticed that when I was a kid. And somehow they got a snowball in their mouth, and everyone started laughing. And a high school student tripped me up when I was running. And in the ninth grade, my best friend stopped communicating. And the first love went to the one with whom that friend began to communicate. And in another week, my parents divorced, my grandmother died, and my girlfriend left me.
So, where's my cassette player?
I will only add that the series is noted in general in all school problems and pulls all the triggers (mainly for the female half), and is expected to become one of the most discussed novelties. In the comments, too, the whole color of enlightened youth brings their education to the masses. Slatshaming, stalking, bullying and other harassment - all the novelties of recent seasons are displayed, and there is also a strong emphasis on "goat boys"!
The series simply splashes youthful maximalism and teenage resentments and uses the most popular trends and hashtags, and even pours hipster sauce on top. The whole soul of the series can be seen in the way the two characters discuss John Grady in one of the scenes - superficially, one-sidedly, and with obvious concern about sex (anyone who has read "Horses" will, of course, earn themselves a facepalm). The characters are poorly written, the director does not have the courage for many scenes, but he has the foresight to prepare more food for the shippers. An average TV series, but not without bright spots.
Well, the vast majority of young people are superficial, prone to herd feelings and complexes, and also turned on sex - all this is much more realistic than a deep self-sufficient 16-year-old personality.
In general, maybe it's not so bad for teenagers to watch this series. And for those who are older, well, you probably need to put aside skepticism a little bit, and be more loyal to all the girls crying over the series :D
By the way, many commentators would do well to watch this movie, perhaps that's the point. For some, 13 PP is the first experience of this kind of story, and, like any first time, it seems the most impossible and mind-blowing. But for others, it's a repetition of the past, new skis on the old ski slope, so there are fewer emotions...
P.S. The KNSH adviser is not a professional in psychology (as he admitted), but making him super-guilty and dedicating the final tape is another childish act of the years. There are obvious parallels with the bed scene with Glue - they try to help you and find out the truth, you react rudely, it's unclear what you expect in response and then make people guilty. It's just that they're human. The adviser, of course, wanted to put the brakes on the matter, suggesting that "go ahead", everyone has fewer problems. And then without mentioning this meeting. people. She has only herself to blame.
, but it's not visible from the outside.
When the harassment is clearly visible-injuries - it is easier to provide help. But here there was a complete misunderstanding and the girl felt non-existent and insignificant. Most of her inadequacies result from depression, she is rude to people all the time because cats are scratching at her soul and nothing pleases.
In general, it's just a series to show teenagers that they need to be more attentive and kinder to each other, because everyone is going through their own problems.
The series is strong, I do not argue. Most of the characters are to blame for what happened – some less, some more. But the one who's really to blame is Hannah. What a *fucked up* thing she is! And it's good that there are fewer such people, honestly.
Someone above said that she got smarter in the end. Seriously? Although, considering that she has rid the world of herself, then yes, it's a smart move. For the rest, it was all her fault that she went where she shouldn't, that she couldn't open her mouth, and so on and so forth.
I can't understand how I feel after watching the entire series and the last episode. The only thing I missed was another half hour of the real finale, and not a car with a group of students driving off into the sunset. But, apparently, the second season will be filmed, where there will be new answers and new questions, and if not.. I don't even remember this series. In the meantime, the ending remains murky, where they continue to live with impunity.
to be honest, I took on the series with some apprehension — yes, Netflix inspires confidence, but TV shows with teenagers themselves rarely turn out to be of high quality. After watching a couple of episodes, I realized how wrong I was: a wonderful series that was so addictive that I wanted to watch all the episodes in one gulp.
I haven't read the book (but after the series I wanted to correct this omission), so I can't judge the similarity of the plot. I also can't call the series long—running - the action unfolded slowly, giving the audience as much information as was needed for each reason.
I would like to mention this excellent idea of moving from memories to a gray, routine reality. and the soundtracks in the series are chosen just fine: my playlist has been replenished with several dozen atmospheric songs.
I would also like to highlight the cast. Not only did everyone play convincingly, but almost everyone looked really like schoolchildren. and this is important for a series about teenagers.
As for the sequel, I have conflicting feelings. common sense suggests that it is better to leave a finished story finished, especially considering that everything was filmed according to the book. but my inner curiosity still wants to find out what will happen to the characters. Will Alex survive? Will they put fucking Bryce away? What does Tyler intend to do?
Anyway, thanks to Netflix for this series, which is definitely worth watching.
https://www2.thewatchseries.cc/13-reasons-why-season-1-episode-0
But I really liked the series, I felt sorry for many of the characters((
Well, stop, see me, I'm here, I'm still there!
And the people scattered.
It's a great story.
It's like in an old, not funny joke about a man who is drowning and prays to God for salvation, then a boat comes up with a man who says "get on board," and the man says "no, God will save me," the boat sails away, the man prays all the time, then a boat comes up, the same story. Here's a guy who drowned and asks God, "Why didn't you save me?" and he says, "You idiot, I sent two boats after you."
Regarding rape, yes, it can be called a valid reason. But then again, the way she decided to give herself one last chance...
leave me alone! No. Keep up! Where are you going, leave me alone! No, follow me! Don't run after me!
No one can read minds. People have a lot of their own problems, it's impossible to be attentive and look out for everyone who wants to commit suicide. Even if you're a school psychologist.
By the way, I can't even say that he was incompetent about him. He tried to do his best. She didn't help him understand himself much either. And then she "accused" me on these tapes.
And again it's "run after me, but I won't tell you anything anyway, and then I'll die anyway, but I'll record tapes with which I'll break a couple of people's lives/psyche."
Well, in general, I can't say that I'm 100% sympathetic to the heroine. But I feel sorry for Clay, because he's really broken.
The joke is that 80% of teenagers experience similar problems (well, except for rape). It's not even bullying. This is life. But as it was said, she's just a drama queen who wanted everything to be about her, as they say.
And the situation with the rape of a friend... And what did she do? She watched silently from the closet. She didn't try to talk to Jess, tell her, report the crime, go to the school psychologist, after all. She recorded a tape where she told EVERYONE about what happened to another person. Everyone except this very person. What if Jess, knowing what had happened, didn't want it to be public? It broke her, too. But no, we need to create drama. It's necessary to add a bunch of people who didn't really offend her that much, she just exaggerated the scale of the problems herself.
She just didn't want to admit that she had to take responsibility for her impulsive decisions. And her decision looked like "I'm going to die so that everyone will cry."
Я бы с такой дружить не хотела.
But that's not what it's all about, it's just a very atmospheric series. The characters, the sound, the staging, the editing, the sadness and the sadness of this series. It will definitely remain in the soul.
In short, this is a very difficult series, it makes me think , it's really hard for me after it, I changed 6 schools and there were such cases in each school, maybe not so cruel, but it all sticks, children and the world today is still very cruel
I can't even tell you the exact number of times my heart has been torn apart.
And now, with a tear-stained face, I sincerely hope that after watching this series, many will reconsider their behavior and try to change the revealed cruelty.
The series shook up so much from the inside!
...I feel like I was mentally thrown under a truck, but I survived.
The series draws in everything, from the little things like music and the image of a modern man with a tape recorder, to the moment when you begin to draw parallels with some of your life situations and immerse yourself in the analysis of yourself and the characters in general...
I'm really glad I watched it. Very much!
ps: as a fan of the band The Cure, I was in a wild mood when I started playing
Fascination Street.
10 out of 10!
Justin could have, after the truth came out, Jess left him, he finally accepted Hannah's words on the tapes, admitted his guilt + problems at home, a stupid mother and beatings. When he stole the gun with the money from the house, she decided that either her mother's boyfriend had found him and shot him in the head, or he had suffered enough and decided to end it. And it would have been better that way, even though I felt a little sorry for Justin. But not Alex!
He had been coming to this for a long time, admitted his guilt (which is not as great as it seems to him and Hannah), had already tried to reveal the truth, to deal with it, but after his father once again scolded him, he could not stand it.
And so Jeff was killed, who appeared for a couple of seconds in the frame, but managed to be remembered and loved so much (
Just don't touch Zach, Tony, and Clay, please, or I won't be able to stand it.
I really liked the way Clay, Alex, Zach, and Tony play.
The moment Hannah's mom found her in the bathroom, Kate Walsh played it back by 1000%. It's not screaming, it's not hysterical, it's "it's okay, baby."
As I understand it, Tyler decided to arrange his personal vendetta, given the arsenal he has in store. I decided to spare Alex because of the flashback, but there's no one else to really spare.
P.S. and what makes everyone in the series think that Jessica is prettier than Hannah? Well, no way.
I want to cuddle with Hannah, sleep with Jessica.
That's why everyone in the show thinks Jessica is prettier than Hannah, in my opinion)
By the way, what's remarkable about the series is that outwardly popular guys don't differ much from unpopular ones, and the girl who everyone around them thinks is a whore isn't in social isolation at all, someone is constantly talking to her, or trying to, and she's welcome at parties.
By the way, there are suspicions about season 2. Our photographer / stalker collects weapons so intensively, it looks like there will be something like the movie "class", where teenagers killed half the school
A public video aimed mainly at teenagers and infantile youth - that is, it matches the audience of this series with 95 percent accuracy.
A public post in which the first posts about 13 reasons collected 3-5 thousand likes, and now everyone collects 10-12 thousand.
And that's with 18,000 watching it on "Mayshouse" at the moment.
Well, in the most commented, this series appeared only after it was "registered" in the Click.
If you had taken a moment to address the issue of the leading media among the youth audience, you would not have treated the "wretched vk publications" so superficially. You might as well say that TJ and MEDUZA are small magazines, and Evgeny Batikov is a slightly popular video blogger.
personally, I liked the series, but in some places it was absurd, although maybe I forgot how hard it is to be a teenager. the picture, the music, even the acting of some actors - 12 out of 10. I will be glad to continue. maybe I'll review it, because knowing the whole picture, you can observe the details.
Because they can.
Why is this surprising to you?
There is a tool, people use it. Everything is normal and logical.
I am glad that this series talks about such important issues. I hope (and wait) for the second season :)
In my opinion, the series is good and the story is good, everything is just perfect.
I would like to watch the sequel, to see how the guilty will be punished.
The only people there who deserved to go through all this were Bryce, his friend who saw and hid everything, and the stalker who took pictures of her. And of course, Hannah herself, who also saw what Bryce did, but gave up on it.
The psychologist explained everything to her, if you accuse Bryce, then OK, I'll help you in any way I can. And if you don't blame him, then of course nothing will happen to him and you will have to move on.
They wrote here that she was just looking for friends at the last party. But she came to the rapist's party. I stayed in the Jacuzzi undressed until the very end, waited until everyone left. Well, I don't understand what could have gone wrong...It's like jumping upside down off a couch without a helmet in the hope of not fracturing your skull.
And in the end, it ruined Alex's life, who shot himself because he didn't want to be friends with Hannah at some point. Well, it's not tinny.
Well, push all this shit on your friend...
And the way she blamed them all for her troubles. But her actions led to most of those things. She trusted cable football players who are simply associated with assholes who do not know how to respect others and should not expect decency from them by default.
Or will he trust an unpleasant type (a journalist) after that? who I've never trusted.
And to include super inhumanity in this whole scheme of the main character. Who was kind and courteous to her until the last, despite her ruined reputation, the fact that she wanted to date half of the football team, absolutely not learning from the mistakes she made the previous week.
Tony should have given the tapes to the police right away so that Bryce would be arrested. And others would have moved on, having survived this tragedy without unnecessary complications.
By the end of the season, it became too difficult for her to empathize.
We need to help each other. We need to support each other.
PS. violence is always the rapist's fault. in whatever form and in whatever place the victim was, this does not give the right to rape her.
the stuffing is completely spontaneous, also written solely on emotions after watching. the actors played very well, there are no complaints about them.
Well, start with yourself. support people who have a different opinion from yours, why did you call their opinion dirt?
I really like "peacemakers" who behave like this.
I expressed my emotions after watching it, and you made some strange conclusions.)
I have strange feelings about this series right now. As someone who has been through 90% of what Hannah has been through, I understand her. But at the same time, it's all so stupid and shallow.
Ambivalent feelings.
and the cast is great. I really liked the backhand version with Tyler for season 2. About mass scouting.
#Alexivi
The best thing about the series is its characters and their interactions. The actors did a great job. The picture and sound are good too. Everything is high-quality, without any visible problems. But the script let me down a bit. The plot is very good, but some actions of the characters with logic or with the instinct of self-preservation are not friends at all.
A solid 4 out of 5 just for the stupidity of some points. Removing Shari from the blame and adding a little realism to some moments is a local masterpiece.
I don't know why there's a second season. The story is over, everything that needs to be said has been said.
but I liked it. I got stuck with my arms and legs in the first 10 minutes
, a huge plus is the dynamism of the series. The further you go, the more intense it gets. the series doesn't sag
, and, of course, the story itself. many girls will see themselves in Hannah. many will find themselves in other heroines.
When Hannah had a conversation with the school psychologist in the last episode, she said that her parents should have a less problematic daughter. that she shouldn't be like that. and then I recognized myself. my words. word for word. only I somehow managed to get through it all then, and now I remember it only with a smile
, and most importantly, I think, said Clay. We just need to be kinder and more attentive to each other. To look after and take care of. And there will be no reason why
I've been crying for most of the last episode. It's been almost a day, and I can't get Hannah out of my head.
But the second season is a very dubious thing.
This cover is from those times. Selena Gomez was at the peak of her popularity, and her name on the cover could really attract teenagers to read.
I don't understand why everyone is so outraged. It is standard practice to involve a teen star in the promotion of a teen book.
I'll just say that I don't regret the time I've spent. It was great, strong, emotionally overwhelming, and in some moments stupid, but nevertheless not in vain.
Thank you for filming such things, thank you.
The second mystery is that Tony said that Hannah personally brought him the tapes, and Clay tells Porter that she sent the tapes by mail (although how would he even know?).Even if Clay came up with this in order to hide Tony, then why was it in the flashback to show that guy from the poetry club?..
As a result, there are no "interesting contests" - just the story of one suicide. Well, that's good. I accepted that and tuned into a different genre. And basically everything was fine with me. An excellent past-present montage; a good hanging intrigue; lively characters who had their own motives; touching scenes in which you could recognize yourself. Yes, I liked the series, 4/5.
But, probably, the only and huge such disadvantage is Hannah. To say that I am disappointed in her (see above) is to say nothing. In almost every episode, I was burned by her actions, her reactions, and her thoughts...I could have written more about how "good" she is, but dozens of other comments have already done it for me.
So, one of the morals of this fable is this: suicide is for weaklings. Anyone can get drunk, but to gather all the strength, all the will into a fist and, despite all the problems of life, no matter how big they are, and continue to live - that's hardcore.
the message of the series is really very strong. "everyone you meet is fighting a battle you don't know anything about. Be kind. always."
P.S. I love color transition: bright and warm color in flashbacks, and dark in the "present"
a terrible scene with vein cutting, and it's so graphic. It's like a suicide manual on how to do it right.
I feel sorry for the second girl who was raped, and the scene with her father also touched me.
In general, of course, the series is on 3ku. The reasons are far-fetched and sucked out of the finger, except for the key one, of course.
It's not clear why Alex shot himself (and tried to drown himself) because he made a death list and blames himself so much. Damn, there's a list and a list. This is nonsense. This is one of the most imho unimportant reasons. The Korean girl's behavior is not clear, she told everyone until the last that Hannah was lying. That is, she kind of continued to claim that it wasn't her in the photo or something? To all those who listened to the recording, well, some kind of nonsense, of course. Considering that the photographer is at least a witness.
Photographer killer is generally atas)))) the author, in my opinion, drifted somewhere in the end.
Imho, the series is not instructive by a gram. If a teenager who believes that no one loves him watches it, he can easily conclude that he can incriminate everyone and kill himself. Wow, it's going to be fun, they're all going to suffer and get killed afterwards. In general, the series (the book) is a great reason to encourage a teenager to commit suicide, it's like a suicide manual...
In my opinion, there are no embellishments here, except for the scene in the bathtub. But in vain.
The fact of the matter is that suicide in life is never romantic, as in the series.
Such suffering and endless self-pity are depicted over notes and photos throughout almost all episodes, as if this were the norm.
Even the photographer kid, who was bullied like a cockroach and beaten in the corners, and the same photos were thrown off to everyone, had bigger problems compared to Hannah.
Yes, after all, Hannah has so much enthusiasm to record a bunch of cassettes, think over a scheme, who did what to her (it's strange that she didn't remember who took her toys away from her in kindergarten), climb under other people's windows, hide the dude to watch the action, that she should have said at the end "fuck this Shit, I've done so much, I'm alive af"
No one hated her, they greeted her at parties, they considered her a beauty, her parents adored her, she knew that Clay loved her, but the series still resulted in suicide, as some kind of natural thing. After watching it, it seemed that he was pushing for suicide more than giving reasons NOT to do it.
For some reason, only other people should be responsible for your well-being and happiness, but not yourself.
That's what can give a teenager a reason to be in a difficult situation, maybe even 100 times more difficult than Hannah's. And that's not normal.
PS I think that the series is a separate work and without special editions.
The series makes you feel like you have to sit and wait for people to read your mind and run, losing their slippers, to save you. Of course, it's important to be kind and take care of each other, but we don't live in a world with rainbow ponies, and playing the lady in distress, hoping for help from assholes and dodging questions from normal people is not an option if you want to survive.
In general, despite the teenage environment, even for adults such a series will be useful, there are so many topics covered!
As an impressionable and empathetic person, I cried periodically from the first episode to the last, but now it's worth thinking about how tears come. After the first day of watching, I was depressed myself, for which there is a reason: my uncle's brother and my classmate also committed suicide, which I also could not understand, and I could not understand why Hannah did this, are these reasons enough???? But as soon as I watched it to the end, everything fell into place.
I feel incredibly sorry for almost every hero, who sometimes didn't even understand what kind of things they were doing... Of course I don't feel sorry for Bryce. The only character I didn't like for a second.
A great show, great actors - I'll never forget it.
And for the first time, when watching one season, I don't even want to know or think about the second... Probably. After all, we don't know what they're going to cook for us. But it's going to be a different series.
It's just that the suicide of a teenager, especially a girl, especially a beautiful one, instantly becomes an information guide and is discussed in the media and on social networks, and just in her city.school.at the institute, and no one cares about the suicide of another drunk who hanged himself in his hut on the grounds of lack of money and hopeless drunkenness.
Age--Men--Women
<20 years -- 9.2 -- 2.3
20-24-----52,2---8,1
25-29---73,5---9,7
30-39---92,8---11,8
40-49---103,8---15,7
50-59---118,4---18,9
60-69---87,7----20,7
>70 years old--103,6---29,4
Nevertheless, according to these data, the largest number of INCOMPLETE suicides was observed at the age of 15-20 years.
So, according to statistics, Hannah only had to cut her hands and survive, and the psychologist had to commit suicide. True story, bro...
as many as 13 episodes, half of which could be cut or shortened.
Nevertheless, it was interesting to reach the finale, to observe the positions of the characters changing as the action progressed. It's nice that they didn't make the series a story about a bunch of hopeless assholes who ruined the life of a poor sweet girl. in reality, most people are not bad or good, it's just that everyone, as correctly noted, has their own truth and their own goal.
I found story number 10 the most instructive for myself. to be honest, at first I didn't see any problem at all in not informing the police about the downed sign. on the one hand, disqualification for drunk driving and scolding from parents, and on the other - some kind of formality. the choice is obvious... and that's what the consequences were. it made me think about those rules (official and not so official) that we break every day with the saying "oh, come on, nothing will happen."
I feel very sorry for Hannah's parents, as well as the parents of all children who make such decisions. imho, an important task for adults is to convey to their children from an early age that there are no hopeless situations, that problems must be solved and if your strength is not enough, do not be afraid and do not hesitate to ask for help, and any tragedy is no worse than death.
Yes, they were boring in places.
Yes, sometimes there were boring dialogues, but now it's hard to find a series that doesn't have that.
At the end of the episode, I completely got into the whole tragedy of Hannah.
It was divine.
And yes, don't try.
It's so sad.
What will happen to him?
Psychologists have already joined in there...
https://tjournal.ru/43778-eto-bilo-bi-bezotvetstvenno-ne-pokazat-scenu-samoubiistva
Yes, I think there were places where many people disagreed with Hannah and especially with how it ended, but at the same time, all these seemingly small reasons come together and create a huge chaos in the fragile human soul.
Probably many people saw a reflection of themselves in Hannah, even if just a little bit.
In the end, they showed what Tyler has hidden in his chest. I think it might be a reference to the Columbine incident and the fact that there will be a second season about Tyler. To me, Tyler looks like Dylan (Eric's partner and friend).
It would be cool to watch the season based on a true story.
The plot is just sax, as is the behavior of the characters (especially Hannah). I've already left a lot of comments on the episodes, writing that Hannah's behavior is not only illogical, but also selfish, and the last episode (including the special edition) hasn't changed my opinion, but I'm also somewhat surprised by Clay - why does he think he's the one who can administer this "justice"? And one of Hannah's last phrases is "I made myself clear enough, but no one rushed to stop me," seriously? That is, each of those on the tapes had to understand in absentia what Hannah was thinking and be there at the exact moment when he was needed. The girl had so many ways to survive this situation, but she chose the easiest one.
How can a "specialist" like Porter work in schools and with teenagers? It's a time bomb to put a person in the place of a social educator who clearly does not want to discuss the problems of students. I was also surprised by how these students themselves talk to him - is it a normal practice to communicate like this in America? I am referring to communication from schoolchildren with a social teacher.
I didn't understand the joke with Alex - why? It doesn't leave the feeling that it was Tyler who knocked him down, but that doesn't remove the issue.
In general, I shouldn't have waited for the series. 13 reasons why I lost 13 hours
A grudge against Alex's list is epic. It was as if She had been called scary there. There were advantages to everything. But no, it's better to invent a drama. Although Alex also turned out to be too much of a spiritual organization.
Of all the characters, I liked only Jessica, a really strong girl. Knowing that you were raped, and your boyfriend allowed it to happen, and then lied that it didn't happen: for me, this is a much stronger reason for suicide than for the same Hannah. Hannah, on the other hand, didn't even scream or fight back when She was raped. I made one look.
And I liked Justin. I feel sorry for the guy. He's a good guy deep down, but he needed this company, and that's the only acceptable behavior there.
And you can also single out Tony and Jeff, who are very pleasant characters.
And so it was unclear what she wanted - she put both rape and a rhyme next to it.
Alex thought he started it all, and there's some truth to that. But still... It's a pity for the character, he was a good guy after all. It's just that he tried to fit in. Just like everyone else at that age. And he had a completely different goal, he didn't want to make Hannah a whore, he wanted to annoy Jessica.
I am sure that he experienced all this very colorfully and sadly. I would just like to see from this perspective. Jessica is also interesting, but basically in her case we can see everything. But Alex only flashes by and has very little information, and it's sad.
And if I'm not mistaken, the tapes shouldn't have gone to Bryce, but it's a pity that they didn't. Although he might not understand. He's too shallow. Although they were supposed to, but Clay missed it? Unclear.
> violetty
No, seriously, I'm outraged. I read the book a couple of days ago and gave myself time to cool down. But I'm still writing a mini-review based on emotions.
After flipping through a couple of reviews, I still didn't understand what this book could teach. Only if you blame others for all the troubles, not yourself. The main character is a young idiot (there's no other way to say it) who decided to commit suicide, and at the same time drag thirteen more people into this swamp, whom she indirectly considers responsible for her death. Make them feel guilty. Yes, I understand, there are different situations in life. Someone is able to endure serious problems with fortitude, and someone breaks down because of nonsense. But Hannah's actions and story are so illogical, so disgusting, that I sighed with joy when I closed the book.
— And you? What did you do?
His gaze froze on me, then he blinked.
"Nothing." Hannah just wanted to justify her suicide somehow.
(;
The actors are great, the music is beautiful, the picture is delicious, but I can't take this drudgery anymore.
Because why would Alex kill himself? Why would a photographer need such an arsenal of weapons? Will Clay's relationship develop? What will Hannah's parents do after the Audition? Why did Hannah get everything for Tony, and not for anyone else?
1) As already stated, Alex was the very first to realize his mistakes of the past. He said that all the perpetrators should be punished for their actions. After all, his girlfriend, whose death he could have prevented, died because of him.
2) Alex has already tried to commit suicide. In the pool moment, and also in the car with Justin and Clay. You can also remember how, at the very beginning of the series, he tore off the flyers on the walls with the inscription: "Suicide is not an option."
3) When Tyler looks at Alex's photo, he remembers not Alex's bad deeds, but how Alex stood up for him, and indeed in their clashes Alex always treated Tyler quite neutrally, unlike the rest at school. So Tyler just crossed Alex off the list because he doesn't want to take revenge on him.
4) I read on some website that the scene in the pool is similar to the scene of Hannah's suicide in the bathroom. This technique is called "omen". From the very beginning, there were many hints of Alex's suicide.
5) I also read in the same place that Alex cleaned his room in episode 12 before the incident occurred, and it was even highlighted by his father. Hannah cleaned the apartment before she committed suicide, too. If you Google the process of preparing for suicide, you will read that before this, people try to fix their affairs: come to relatives, pay off debts, clean the room, etc.
In general, Alex undoubtedly committed suicide (if he died at all). His main motive is redemption and the intolerance of further life with guilt on his soul. Well, after all these remorse, desperate looks and sayings, did you think that he would continue to live quietly for himself?
P.S. many thanks to NewStudio for the good work on dubbing into Russian.
I'm even sorry that it ended, I would have watched and watched more. That's how a whole bunch of minor actions can form into a single chain that will follow a curve and you won't be able to straighten it out.
Everything is great here, from the actors (especially Minnette) to the well-chosen music.
I think the main victims of all this are Hannah's parents. They have lost their only child and, it seems, the meaning of life. For 13 episodes, they suffer and experience pain the most. I was especially impressed when Mom went into the bathroom and saw Hannah. She was so shocked that her hands were shaking. Great acting.
And yet, self-destruction is not an option. It's so stupid to worry about all these things. A lot of people have had this in their lives, and I can say this because I've had similar shit in my life. But suicide is the height of selfishness.
It's nice that the series raised such an important topic and showed the stupidity of such a decision. And, apparently, he gave us the idea that we need to watch our words and actions. And keep an eye on each other.
For the entire series, it was only when Hannah was discovered by her parents that she burst into tears. because I really felt sorry for them. But not Hannah. I'm a terrible creature, yes, yes. I'm aware of that.
There was only one problem with Hannah. She couldn't go and tell her parents, because, you see, she had to suffer a lot from the very beginning. "Ah, my parents can't see me." Of course, when you pretend that everything is fine, you smile sweetly and don't talk about your problems.
She had adequate parents, unlike Justin's family, for example. Yes, they had their own financial problems. But I don't believe they wouldn't have used all their strength to help their daughter. They didn't want this outcome.
That, in my opinion, is the thought that should be central to the series. "Teenagers, talk to your parents if you have problems."
I'm NOT making excuses for Bryce. He's a rare freak. No amount of behavior or clothing gives you the right to rape. But in fact, Hannah's silence played against her. If she had reported Bryce after the incident with Jess, she wouldn't have been in the same situation herself. And it's so cool: to shake with fear herself and say that she couldn't tell, then get drunk and say that everyone was to blame for her death. Okay, you don't want to go on living. You don't care if your family and friends are heartbroken. So at least do something useful before you open up. You won't get any worse.
Go to check-ins to find friends? It's about the same as going to clubs to find the purest love of your life. And wonder why the local contingent only wants to get up their skirts. She could have been very good friends with Clay even at the initial stage after the quarrel with Jess, if she really needed a friend so desperately.
And in the beginning, she put her dick on him and traded him for Jess and Alex, because they didn't look as nerdy as Clay.
I don't feel sorry for Hannah. Stupid, hysterical egoist. Don't make a martyr out of her.
However, you've already figured it out.
They also often ordered something from Monet and then left without even touching it.
and nothing that she said "no" to him? the sex was not consensual-that is, there was rape, and Bryce, by the way, admitted it himself.
But let's justify rapists only because of the victim's behavior! Everyone is so smart and knows how a person should behave in a similar situation. 👌
In general, he's a runny troll, level 10...
In addition, he gave one star to "True Detective." How is that even possible?
Clay was reminded of Donnie Darko throughout the series by his resemblance to Gyllenhaal and the general atmosphere.
It's a pity that we decided to make a second season, which, apparently, will be about a school shooting. I think the idea is to kill the characters we've become attached to, so that we realize how terrible it is.
It seems to me that we should have stopped at the first season so that it would be finished with "13 reasons why", a series about how people come to suicide.
But even with that, the series didn't do very well. From an artistic point of view, it's great, I couldn't stop watching it from episode to episode, I watched it all in one go. But judging by the abundance of comments from people who don't understand Hannah's reasons, it was necessary to allow the viewer to spend more time in her head.
People try to judge her actions from the point of view of a healthy person, asking why she did not act rationally. If it was hinted to us that depression makes a person lie to himself (with a note thrown out to Zach, for example), then this was clearly not enough.
If Hannah's reasons seem insignificant to you, try to imagine that you have thoughts every day that you are subhuman (judging by the way the guys treated her), and that the world would be better off without you. Through this lens, when you can cry because someone smiles at you on the street, even stealing compliments is a serious reason. Maybe some people are ready to cling to life with their teeth at any cost, no matter what happens to them, but not all people are like that. You can call it a weakness, but I don't think it deserves to be condemned.
Hannah acted rather cruelly, including Clay in the list and forcing him to suffer 11 tapes, blaming himself from scratch, while Hannah herself said that he was not to blame. But maybe it was an opportunity for her to create an intimate parting moment with him by telling him everything.
BECAUSE YOU DON'T REALIZE THE IMPORTANCE OF THESE COMMENTS TO ME! YOU'VE NEVER BEEN IN MY SHOES!
Everyone is used to blaming comments that "provoke cons", but in fact, it's ALWAYS the minus one to blame!
And you know what?
The last one will be a screenshot of this comment...
I'm waiting for the second season)
what a sweet disappointment it is for you, friends, when you turn over 20 and a bitter catharsis occurs.
Or, more likely, those who think, "Oh my God, how could you not like this ending?" :D just accept the disadvantages or justify your opinion so that it is not unsupported by anything "well xs".
You just didn't like being downsized, so by leaving a comment you were hoping that your opinion would be important to someone and would get advantages, but just the feelings of strangers here are not interesting to anyone, but some kind of informed opinion - always write and catch your long-awaited advantages.
And in your question, you wrote "why ARE YOU".. if you wanted to ask a rhetorical question, then you had to build it more "rhetorically", for example, "oh gods, and why would people ignore my opinion?"..
I really hope that this series will influence someone and change something, that people will look at themselves from the outside and understand something, and potential rapists will pour out their anger into a fist, instead of ruining someone's life.
Very vivid characters. I burst into tears on stage with Jessica and her father, I feel sorry for Alex, who is far from the most guilty in this story, but understands that nothing would have happened without him. Or did it happen, who knows?
The vices of society were revealed, I can't imagine who could remain indifferent.
Bryce can't be justified, he's a rapist. But Hannah is also acting stupid. He raped her friend in front of her. She goes to his party (whooo?!), finding him in the jacuzzi still talking to him (WHOOO?!). If she had run screaming out of the pool before he even thought to move towards her, nothing would have happened. You can even understand why she doesn't actually resist, but you can't understand why she went there at all and didn't tear her claws at the very sight of him. And it's perfectly explained in the book- she wanted to break herself. And she didn't say no, she let him do it. It would be worth keeping.
As well as the fact that in the book the parents are so caught up in the problems that they did not notice her new haircut.
Clay is frankly sorry. He's the only one getting into trouble for not loving Hannah the way she needed to. And she didn't even know how she needed it.
Without Glue, there would be no plot, he moves everything off the ground (and in the book he doesn't, only within himself), but still the chance that all these tapes could break him was damn great.
Hannah is dead. Everyone around blames themselves for her death. But after all, in fact, no one can guarantee that they could have helped her, that at least one of them could have changed something. If it hadn't been for that, it would have been something else, and life is pretty damn difficult.
The only moral of this series is that we don't know how our words and actions will affect others. The only thing we can do is try to be kinder and more attentive. But it may still not be enough, alas.
, I didn't read the book, but I was interested from the first episode
but! Throughout the series, I didn't feel sorry for Hannah. in this situation, I feel incredibly sorry for my parents. a suicide scene.. everything was said about her above. She looked through her fingers, and when her mom ran into the bathroom, tears began to flow. strong scene👏🏽
I was surprised that the series was renewed for a second season. At first I thought, what's to shoot about? The story is told. But on the other hand, bastard Bryce has to be punished. And oh my God, Alex! I adore him. Of all the characters, for some reason he was the one who hurt. When the director said that he had shot himself in the head, tears began to flow. I hope he's alive!
and I really like Skye. probably one of the most sane characters. I'm glad Clay came to her.
I would like to know if Alex survived.
Still, the most powerful moment of the series is when Hannah opens her wrists and her parents find her body.
She didn't want to commit suicide, as the psychologist said, she just wanted more attention to herself and help. It's a pity that I couldn't find support from at least someone when I needed it so much.
From the first episode, I was completely absorbed. Still, Netflix knows its stuff.
While I was watching, I was amazed at how well everything was shot and thought out. And the disclosure of minor characters is above all praise. There are long-term projects that have not revealed the characters for more than a dozen seasons. Perhaps the theme of the series contributed to this, but still.
It is very interesting to observe what is behind each of the characters of the cassettes. And the fact that at first glance the last bastard is actually a good person and a prisoner of circumstances. Once again, I remind you that not everything can be easily divided into black and white.
I also remember the abstracted view of the whole situation, and the fact that each person has their own view, their own truth. I remembered a dialogue from an anime: I am me, and you? I am you, only in another person, I am the way other people see you.
A series with an unrealistically cool presentation, excellent editing, attention to detail and a rather uncomplicated but wildly cool plot.
All the components of the series are at their best and you just immerse yourself completely in this world and as if you yourself become a student of this school, even though your school and even college years are already over.
Still, there are a couple of minor flaws that I personally don't really like. Such as casting, namely the fact that some 17-year-olds look like 25, (I looked at the age of the actors and realized that they are all younger than me ((Oh)), and the difference is not so critical, so it's more my whim. All the more reason for me to know about the subjective perception of age, when at 15 they give you 18 or more) and the selection of masks. But all youth, youth and similar projects are guilty of this, I note that this certainly does not make the series worse.
By the way, at first I was not very impressed, even annoyed by the actor who played GG (Dylan Minnett). Perhaps because of some unpleasant characters that he could have played earlier. But after watching it, putting aside all prejudices, I can confidently say that he played just fine.
(H1, continued below)
By the way, I don't know if it's possible to attribute the shortcomings to the fact that some characters were given just the lion's share of the narrative, and not those who received only a couple of minutes of screen time (yes, I understand this cognitive dissonance, because earlier I praised the series for the excellent character disclosure. But still, compared to the time devoted to the story of Justin (Brandon Filinn), the rest just pale.
It looks like this is such a good start for the future. As well as, in my opinion, a rather unnecessarily open ending. There is no sense of that completeness, or something, and with it there is no integrity. Nevertheless, these are minor flaws that many will not even pay the slightest attention to.
To summarize, I would like to note that the series turned out to be excellent, both in its genre and as a series in general.
I look forward to the sequel.
I hope the series will be extended, because Alex was still the main character. (well, Jess to them).
I'm afraid to think that he shot out of guilt or something; (
in fact, Hannah made the wrong decision by blaming people who are mostly not to blame for her suicide.
There was only one person to blame for the fact.
the fact that she was humiliated, mocked, insulted, and taedee could harden her character. This happens to every fifth or tenth student at school. Not everyone gets killed like that. (yeah, I know, everyone has a different perception and so on). but she had friends and they talked to her, despite all this stuff.
I was overwhelmed by what was on tape 12 for the most part. and then she found the strength to wake up the next day and go to school as if nothing had happened.
She went to the director, he didn't kick her out, sat down and listened.
attentively, moreover, he was distracted here and there by calls, but he sat and listened to the end.
When she left, she made it clear that she didn't want to talk anymore. By yourself!
He didn't have to stop her, it was her decision. He asked me to stay.
So I don't know. I saw a lot of support in her direction, and she saw a lot of negativity, which was pouring out as well as the positive. but she seemed to ignore and ignore the positive. (or maybe she just didn't want to notice.) (I know what depression is and that it's hard to feel positive about it, but she had real support, she could always ask for help. Just like I did with the director before my suicide. but the fact that he stupidly did not run after her proves once again that she expected a lot from people. no one is obligated to help anyone and ted, it's not worth waiting for support from everywhere, there will always be kicks in the ass in life, you can't hide from them anywhere).
I'm very proud of the guys that they didn't get scared after all and told me about the tapes.
But I'm most proud of Jess for telling Dad.
I cried with her.
By the end, everything was so depressing, I thought they wouldn't take out the ending, but no.
a la "like a happy ending" was taken out and there was such a normal aftertaste from what was viewed.
but still, the series is average, I think many will agree.
I rocked up on series 6-7 somewhere and was a bit boring in some places.
but the main thing is that the series is good because it raises important topics!!!
in general, there are a lot of emotions and thoughts from the series, and that's good.
Every minute of the series I watched was worth the time I spent. Each scene leads to something and leads us step by step from one essential point to another.
The series is imbued with the spirit and moments of bad loneliness and tips on how to avoid it.:
https://puu.sh/wb5hd/32b1c4c438.PNG
https://puu.sh/wb5kJ/ea70d4e074.PNG
https://puu.sh/wb5lx/cc1ceb0dc4.PNG
https://puu.sh/wb5mt/f912a97feb.PNG
https://puu.sh/wb5mW/fe50e683d2.PNG
https://puu.sh/wb5qc/7675e938fe.PNG (for some reason, I remembered the painting "Feast during the Plague")
https://puu.sh/wb5u0/95302a1e57.JPG
https://puu.sh/wb5ur/17156642c8.JPG
https://puu.sh/wb5w1/3a1df3c9b3.JPG
https://puu.sh/wb5xh/bdb468b658.JPG
https://puu.sh/wb5yn/be026724dc.JPG
https://puu.sh/wb5yQ/f573b16641.JPG
https://puu.sh/wb5Cv/cfd2d620d3.JPG
I remember how some children were bullied in our school, and it often broke them. The successful ones became losers or so, both in school and later in life. And the pressure was often put on by those who were born losers. Someone endures, but some fought back. As we were shown, the Photographer does not intend to tolerate this and what we saw does not bode well.
Almost all the stories remained unsolved, but there were hints of what would happen, one of the branches of further events.
That's the end of it. That's the way it should be.
Good luck to Clay with La bruja. She's really beautiful in every good way, and she's eaten her pood of salt.
The series would be better if the main character was Jessica, for example. Drama queen Hannah was infuriating from the very beginning. In some situations, her brain completely atrophies.
The series would have been better if at least some of the story lines had been completed. This suspense about the second season is depressing. I want to know what happened to Alex here and now. About the trial. About Hannah's parents.
And no, there is no excuse for rape, but there is no excuse for suicide.
Well, in general, just someone like Jessica wouldn't kill herself.
First of all, Hannah is a sweet, beautiful and flirtatious girl. It's not very pleasant to watch a series about a scary, lonely, downtrodden and awkward girl, is it? Therefore, let the main character be exceptionally pleasing to the eye.
Secondly, the thought involuntarily arises that the screenwriters of this masterpiece have never been bullied at school and they have no idea what bullying looks like. Bullying is not when you are called the best ass of the school, not when your poem was published in the school newspaper, not when your parents refused to give money for a limo to earn false friends of classmates, and not when a friend and girlfriend did not report that they started dating. She wasn't called scary, she wasn't beaten, her head wasn't dipped in the toilet, her things weren't scattered, she wasn't ignored, she wasn't used to cheat, she was, after all, supported at home. The only bad thing that happened to her was the rape. You can say that she is overly sensitive and unhealthy, but if we are going to make a series about suicide, we need to convey to people what cruelty means, and not this soap opera stuff sucked out of a finger.
Third, Hannah is an ungrateful person. She was asked more than once what happened to her, and people were interested in her. From my experience, I can say that I have never been asked what happened, no matter how bad it was for me. Damn, she was persuaded to reach her potential, helped to write poetry. Did strangers mess with you like that? Hannah even has a mutual love for Clay, but she pushed him away on her own.
Fourth, Hannah has a normal social life. They talked to her, invited her on dates and parties! How many unhappy teenagers can boast about this? Yes, not everything was as we would have liked, but for most downtrodden children, this would already be a dream.
Fifth, consciously bringing others to the pain that you yourself have experienced is piggishness. She's a terrible person.
Fake and undisclosed.
But the story is not over yet. Of course, I'm waiting for the sequel.
The 13 reasons could be reduced to 3 real ones: Jessica's rape, Jeff's car accident, and Hannah's own rape. Moreover, there were indeed ways out of all this, but Hannah, apparently, preferred the easiest one. We wrote above that hormones are rampant in adolescence, minor problems seem to be the end of the world. I can understand this if the characters were 13-14 years old, but Hannah is 17 (!), at this age, you already need to start thinking with your head adequately and also adequately analyze your actions and deeds. So it's no longer the fault of adolescence, but of the character of this girl, the drama queen, who would spend her whole life looking for problems from the outside, without trying to change something about herself. It was even shown several times in the series that she had no empathy at all. And it's very good that they showed us all the characters so multifaceted, who also have a lot of problems, worse than Hannah.
I saw a comment that the psychologist at school was incompetent and couldn't help. I mean, I couldn't help? He listened to Hannah and tried to give her advice, but she also shut him out. You can't help a person who doesn't want help. I think by the time she came to his office, she had already made up her mind. And her words for recording on tape after leaving the psychologist, who, you see, did not run to catch up and stop her (although he should have? he's got half a school full of them), they just proved it.
It's so cool that I don't even have the words.
Nevertheless, the series was renewed.
Of course, everything that happened to her before the rape was small things, and all this could have been overcome if she had a good friend by her side (this is how Ina understood why they did not have a strong friendship with Tony)But this terrible event broke her. And I was terribly sorry to see with what cold calculation she was planning her death.
I was deeply disappointed by the indifference of the school psychologist, who had the opportunity to do something, but showed himself to be completely incompetent. What kind of psychologist is this who gives such advice, seeing the condition of the person in front of him?!
And then he also stated in a blue eye that he did not know what was on her mind.
The suicide scene is terribly realistic...And the reaction of the parents seemed a little crumpled to me...Although I don't know what I expected, considering that they were holding up well a couple of weeks after the funeral. Very strong people...
in general, the series is hard. It raises important topics , but it seemed a bit long-winded to me. At the same time, some of the characters were not fully revealed.
The ending is quite natural. And I even liked a certain openness. I don't understand why it was renewed for a second season. After the photographer's arsenal was shown, suspicions began to creep in that the second season might be about a school shooting. A kind of "Class" in the American way.
The series itself was shot really well and the actors were well chosen.
The main characters (Clay and Hannah) sometimes annoyed me so much that I just paused and was ready to yell. The ending wasn't affected at all, although they said it was kind of very cool and emotional. Yeah. Yeah.
Is that how you imagine it?)
The ending is strong. I'm surprised they showed me how she cuts her veins.
I can't even imagine what will happen next season.
Why not go to the forest this weekend and roast kebabs there?
And her condition was clearly not aggressive.
I feel very sorry for Hannah and the way she was treated.
It's sad that they didn't show how the trial of these "children" ended.
There will be a second season, but probably in vain, because almost all the characters were revealed and their motives were shown.
I feel terribly sorry for Alex, I understand the desire to punish myself, but so far Shari corrects her mistakes most correctly, the girl is doing well. And Jessica is strong too.
I was really worried about Clay, that the tapes would drive him crazy, but the final scene in the car says that the guy will get out.
As I watched it, my attitude towards Hannah changed. At first, it seemed to me that she was just a delicate, vulnerable, decent girl who found herself in the wrong environment, unlucky. For some, these pokes are like water off a goose, but for her it's a big injury, that's understandable. I feel very sorry for her. But in recent episodes, she has begun to revel in her role as a victim, which is also understandable, but no longer causes much sympathy. Yes, people are shit, well then why go to their party, get away from them, why put yourself at risk. Hannah's instinct for self-preservation is weakened. I'm not excusing Bryce, but she really asked for the rape herself. Well, after she lost 700 dollars of her parents' money!! In the situation of her family's financial crisis, which she was well aware of, this is already a high-level offense for me and cannot be justified by anything.
Clay blames himself, though, to demand of him. so that he, the introverted boy, understands what grown men do not understand (go away, but stay)- it's just TOO MUCH. How she stood and waited for the psychologist to follow her. Oh... I know that. I really want someone to understand you without words, come and save you without questions. And yet... and yet...
Hannah is essentially the same as them, like these children, she does not notice the feelings of others, does not understand that she may get into an unfortunate moment when they are not ready to listen to her, and is often inattentive. She didn't prevent Jessica's rape, that alone should have given her the opportunity to understand her classmates, she did the same as them. For such a thinking girl, it should have been obvious how she would ruin her parents' lives if they found her in the bathtub. It's just the events of a few weeks. All that remained was to lie low and wait for a couple of months when school was over. Demanding that others behave like adults and very decent adults at that, she herself does not want to act like an adult. I understand this desire not to grow up. It's a feeling that it's better not to deal with the real world, because it hurts you every day with one sharp angle or another, that people are not the same - I understand. But we need to find another way out of this. Absolutely necessary. Moreover, she had Glue.
Damn sad comment. But those who have just watched the series will understand me. Probably the last time I felt this way was when I finished reading "Loneliness on the Web."
Hopelessness.
from the bottom of my heart... It's heartbreaking(
I wonder what will happen in season 2..
(Spoiler alert: there are still a lot of questions):
In tandem, Alex and Tyler:
1) Did Alex shoot himself, or did Tyler help him?
2) Did Tyler take down Alex's photo because he shot him himself or because he decided to remove him from his "firing list"?
3) Should we expect Tyler to have a new Columbine at Liberty High?
In tandem, Justin – Jessica – Bryce:
4) Why did Justin say he would never see Bryce again?
5) What did Jessica tell her father about? Is it about breaking up with Tyler, about the tapes, or about the rape?
6) Will Bryce be punished for everything he did?
About Hannah's riddles:
7) Who is this mysterious "friend" of Hannah, to whom she sent the tapes by mail?
8) Besides the note for Zach, which he didn't tear up, what else did Hannah lie about on the tapes?
About cassettes:
9) Who gave the tapes to Clay?
10) How will Clay's mom react to the fact that he had the tapes?
11) How will Hannah's parents act after listening to all the tapes?
12) How will Kevin Porter act after listening to all the tapes?
And finally, the 13th reason:
13) Shari. Why did she call the police?
P.S. Courtney, Marcus and Ryan were not included in the list, because there were no questions left in connection with them. They're just small people who are fighting for their reputation.
One of the best drama series in the last few years. Before episode 12, I even wanted to take this series to my collection and review it someday. But after watching it, I changed my mind, I would not want to experience the pain with which I watched it again. After all, from the very beginning we are presented with how it will all end, and from this it is much harder to look at what is happening, at this hopelessness, than if we hoped that someone was about to save her.
At first, the reasons seemed trivial to me, in the middle, the hysterical Hannah started to get a little nervous, but after watching all the episodes, it became clear that all these problems were just accumulating like a snowball and the jacuzzi with Bryce was just the last straw. Do I think Hannah did the right thing?? No, of course, even that could be survived. But at least now I understand WHY...
Clay... After leaving the psychologist, it seemed to me that he also wanted that, but then he saw that girl from the cafe. He said he wasn't okay, offered to go for a walk, and she agreed... But then they were all riding in Tony's car together, and he wasn't going to do anything like that.)
Tyler the photographer is clearly up to no good. But he took Alex's photo anyway because he changed his mind, because if he had shot at him, then while taking the photo he would have remembered Alex's negative act (for which he was his), and not a positive one.
Ps It's a pity if the photographer shoots everyone in the second season, especially Clay and Tony. It will be a kabzdets at all
Let her say on the record that no one helped her, but damn it, besides grief, how many times has fate also presented her with a means of salvation?! She simply pushed away people who could help her (Zack, Clay). Take Clay, this is not the unrequited love that it could be. And the parents (the directors here didn't show the deterioration of the relationship enough) from what they showed us, she could have talked to them, as Jessica did, these are her closest people, wouldn't they have supported her? And even in a conversation with a grief psychologist, he asked her to tell everything, but Hannah left, yes, he should have been much more professional, but still ...
As for rape, then my opinion will probably be original. As it seemed to her, she had unsolvable problems at school (on a universal scale), it was also possible that she was a participant in the actions that killed her peer, as well as problems with her parents and problems with her parents. And because of the peculiarity (weakness) of her character, she was already thinking about death. This could explain her lack of self-preservation, why she went to the party, why she climbed into the Jacuzzi, and why she let this nit take advantage of her. Somewhere deep down, she already wanted to die.
Who killed Hannah Baker? She's on her own...
but if you think about it. Let's remember Jessica's party, IF CLAY HADN'T LEFT THEN AND TOLD Hannah ABOUT HIS FEELINGS, then Hannah would have calmed down and she and Clay would have stayed in the room.
----->&Jessica and Justin would have entered the room and seen that she was busy, would have excused themselves and left, respectively, Jessica would not have been raped.
----->>> Sherry would have gone home alone (because Hannah is in the room with Clay), she would not have been distracted at the wheel and she would not have hit a road sign.
----->>> Jeff would have gone home, seen the sign (because Sherry didn't hit him) and would have missed the car AND WOULD HAVE STAYED ALIVE.
----->>> Hannah wouldn't be so depressed, etc, etc
I don't know if the creators of the series deliberately arranged everything with Clay's guilt. My opinion is that Clay is to blame for Hannah's death as well as for Jeff's death, that is, a little more than nothing) And he's only on the tapes because Hannah wanted Clay to know that she cared about him, that he wasn't the reason Hannah died, but the reason Hannah COULD LIVE.(Even she mentions that Clay shouldn't be on the tapes.)
But it's true,
- if Clay hadn't been such a wimp, and just wouldn't have left then, would have stayed and talked to her, then what followed wouldn't have happened..
- although on the other hand, you can't blame him for the way he is either.
- and on the other hand, in general, Hannah wouldn't have gone through all this in her head if it weren't for everything that had already happened before, i.e. photos on the slide and Alex's list, etc.
Hell, it's a complete puzzle.. and such a big snowball, a chain of events that led to such a tragedy...
You can't blame anyone in particular, everyone is to blame (even she herself to some extent), but in completely different ways.. in every sense.
So much so that I want to scream in silence.
For me, this is the best series this year.
Everything was done on a high level, netflix is always quality. It's so real that it's scary.
Everyone can watch: teenagers, young people, and parents.
But what the fuck is this!
With her tapes, she almost drove the man who treated her best and whom she herself was in love with crazy.
And she drove a former friend to suicide, whose guilt is simply ridiculous against the background of some other things. That is, those who are least to blame have suffered the most. And is that fair, from her point of view? Those who are more to blame are like water off a goose (Bryce, Courtney; Tyler was blown in the wrong direction).
Putting rape on the same level as stolen notes is some kind of PPC.
And of course, my favorite is "I'm going to freak out, yell, leave slamming the door / yell at a nice guy and chase him away, and then I'll wonder why they're not running after me with all their might, callous indifferent people, it's your fault, because I had to!"
For a reason, Clay told her in one episode, they say, why does the drama always have to revolve around you? And he said that because it's clearly not the first time she's behaved like a drama queen. But for some reason he had to figure out what was wrong with her, and she absolutely didn't need to understand that a guy's good friend had died, because well, Hannah had some kind of bullshit.. Another drama! Empathy is at zero, but it requires a lot from others.
And her parents.
In general, a very cool filmed series about a stupid egoist, around whom there were people who could help her, but for some reason she sat and suffered instead.
She didn't say anything, and then blames the psychologist for not doing anything. He had to guess on the cards to find out where and how and who?
13 reasons to fucking live like this, guys.
But they took it off, and how!
So it can be here.
I admire Jessica, she has a very strong personality.
My American friends bombed on Facebook when the series first came out that it "promotes suicide," and even religious ones joined in. I personally don't think so. If he's promoting something, it's the fact that you can and should ask for help. parents, for example. The bathroom scene is something incredible. How can parents live with this now? after all, they had no idea what was going on, and they would so much like them to be aware of their daughter's life, in particular, the horror that happened to her.
Yeah, it was an adventure, a hard adventure.
I felt a lot for the characters, yes, it's just a series, but just try to say that you didn't feel anything like that and didn't get into such situations. I got caught.
In some places, there were feelings of illogic, absurdity and absurdity of what was happening. Of course, there are 13 reasons, but in fact, few people are worth taking their own lives. And what exactly is included in this concept? Nonsense. Nothing is worth taking your own life. I just think there are 4-5 main reasons, but it's not for us to judge, because everyone perceives the world differently. And now these guys will definitely start to perceive him differently. I remembered the chaos theory: “chaos theory says that the flapping of a butterfly's wing on one side of the globe can cause a hurricane on the other.” That's exactly what happened.
In general, it is interesting to follow further events, we are waiting for season 2. I think the parents will win the case, the guys will admit everything, Bryce is unlikely, but they will be imprisoned, there will be inconsistencies in the case, because still someone will lie, but Tyler, apparently, will arrange a shootout. Maybe he shot Alex and set it up? When he was in the development room taking Alex's picture, what did it mean? Did he kill him? Or did he take it away because he didn't want to kill him? After all, he was kind to him. Or am I fixated on the murders? And will he be able to commit them at all? Let's see, then-more, Tony said: "...The further you go, the worse it gets."
The most normal girl here is the one with the crocodile tattoo. And this, for all its abnormality ...
In general, the topic in the series is certainly important, everyone probably at this tender age thought "everyone would be better off without me." But Hannah's character just pissed me off personally. This girl would have come to this end anyway. At least in this school, at least in another one. Even at the institute, even after. And the school psychologist would not have helped her, even if he had been involved, she needed psychotherapy, and maybe even hospitalization, xs...
You know, I don't want to offend anyone, but this is a purely American series.
Something happens in everyone's life and everyone experiences it in their own way.Well, you must admit that in Russia, first-grade children are even worse than Hannah's friends, you can list endlessly what is wrong with this world.But there was a lot I didn't understand, her friends had abandoned her, and she was trying to fix the situation??? Well , to make other friends there , yes , she was sick (psychologically ) and you can bring a lot to life, the moral is in the series, but it's better to read the book then.And I think it's always easier to blame someone for your failures (I'm not talking about rape)
But there are autobiographies where people write about how they are raped by their own relatives and taken to other countries.
I don't think this series is worthy of the hype it has created around itself.
Undoubtedly, the film was excellent, the acting is wonderful, but I expected more.
Purely to conclude: the mentality is different, everyone has their own taste, suicide is not an option
. p.s. and yes, Hannah ruined EVERYONE's LIFE with all these tapes because her parents are depressed, and everyone else who listened to the tapes and accordingly they will also open LOL.I made it out of the category without thinking
And I didn't like the actor playing the main character at all. And it's kind of dry.
No one caused any alarms or feelings of excitement.
Maybe it will turn out to be something interesting, powerful, and relevant for teenagers..but now, having lived through my teenage years for a long time, it all seems petty and not serious to me.
P.S. I don't understand people who write that the main character is to blame for everything, and that suicide is for weaklings. You probably weren't teenagers. Personally, I remember my teenage years very well, and I remember that all the problems seem soooo serious, and cause a lot of emotions and stresses, no matter what they really are. Especially when it comes to relationships.
In their opinion, I would not advise people with a "more expanded emotional background" to choose this film, so as not to rattle their nerves.
The only thing is, they will most likely merge the 2nd season, but I will wait and hope that my beloved Netflix will not let me down :
Usually, TV shows for me are in one go, as the commentator said above. But it's something else, especially knowing that it's a real story.
It's a very heavy series with an insanely deep meaning and a qualitatively important topic. Many people are thinking about suicide, even though they hide it.
13 the tape is the only one that touched my soul.
No one can help a suicidal person, alas.
I'm so sorry that my parents found out so late, and I hate Jess. I thought that since Hannah was raped by Bryce too, she should at least say that she knows about the tapes.
It was stupid to believe that no one would find out, and now she would have problems, but she didn't care. It's her own fault
It's a pity that they're making a second season. I think it was only necessary to do one more episode with the investigation of the case and the story of the fate of all these people. I don't need anything else.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O92pekaban8
Suicide is never an option, but for some reason the viewers of this series justify it.
Well, I don't know, if you decided to take your own life and punish the offenders posthumously, get a gun or something. Shoot the assholes and ales. You can shoot yourself in the end if you have nothing to lose. Somehow it looks more feasible than a clever plan. Damn, when I see on the news about another shooting at some school, it comes to mind that there is some kind of similar story at the root of everything. But you can't build a series on that, yeah. And the series, as I said, is good.
In this episode, Hannah takes the tapes to the post office. And Tony said that she came by herself and left them at her door.
The claim is that they didn't show a realistic suicide.
What the fuck? This series is not about a suicidal girl, but about the CAUSES of SUICIDE. My God, the title says what the series is about, and the series itself makes it absolutely clear how to avoid extreme measures despite such reasons. As well as for the suicidal person himself, in the future, and for the prospective environment of the prospective suicidal person.
The questions are like this. When you were cutting your veins, were you thinking about the faucet, or were you thinking about your hands? Have you thought about how you wouldn't be burned, or how you wouldn't be saved? If your suicide took an extremely long time, then what, did you forget to turn off the faucet yourself, since you're alive?
Among other things, the series says one more important thing: yes, nothing will justify a rapist, but a girl may not increase the risks and make the situation dangerous. And Hannah knew Bryce was a dangerous man. She didn't just know, she saw what he did to Jess. And I climbed into the Jacuzzi where that pig is sitting. I admit that she was in a very depressed state. But honey, why? Has this depression completely robbed you of your memory? And this remark ONLY applies to the situation of Hannah and Bryce, because if she were splashing in the Jacuzzi with another athlete of the school, I would not consider that she partially creates a problematic situation for herself, because she does not know anything bad about this athlete and therefore should not be afraid of him.
I have never defended Bryce, but until there is a proper sex culture in the public mind, all a girl can do is, as I said, not to make the situation dangerous.
I put it clumsily, but I hope it's clear.
Well, as it is, I completely agree with the idea of sex culture, I just decided to clarify a little.
separately, I would like to highlight
the story is very competently constructed (I haven't read the book, but I've heard that the series follows a different path in the narrative)
the actors cope with their tasks, you believe them and worry about them
working with the color scheme (events of the "present" in gray, depressive shades, events of "of the past" are sunny and full of life)
music creates such an atmosphere and so punches sometimes that you rub your wet eyes
I will definitely show my child so that he just knows that this happens and I will ask him not to be silent when it gets bad, remember the "13 reasons why" and come to me.
The last few episodes have really caught on. They caused all the negative emotions that one can feel towards society. All the positive things you can feel about the director and the cameraman. And, of course, to the actors! Everyone played their part perfectly.
And yet, it's often fun when there's an understatement at the end and you can figure out the ending yourself. But this is clearly not the case. I wanted to know everything in detail, the reaction of each parent to the tapes, the reaction of each student to the accusations, etc.
Or is this the essence of season 2?
But in general, if we talk about the series itself, it was very well shot. Psychologically, you can feel what is happening and it attracts, of course. Many of the scenes were shot realistically in terms of action.
In general, everything is fine on the one hand, but on the other... There are disadvantages.
Many of the 13 reasons seemed too exaggerated and sucked out of the finger (applicable to the series, not to real life), but questions often arose about the heroine herself and her actions in general, therefore, except for the last 2 episodes, it was very difficult to empathize with gg, and this, in my opinion, should have been the main thing. in this series.
The topic was raised, of course. But all the same, it's utopia in its own way - we need to look at each other better. Admit it all to yourself - is someone doing this? Or is everyone too selfish and self-centered?
In general, I see cynicism from the height of my experience, of course. If you overcome all the depression and the desire to commit suicide once...Moreover, this series will seem like just a representative of the genre. But everything would be fine if it weren't for the outspoken file from gg, and even more so her submission..Well, I don't feel like this young lady was really looking for a FRIEND in this group... naive. oh yeah... while Clay was right under her nose... In general, there are a lot of inconsistencies, especially in relation to gg and her environment, into which she desperately tried to fit in and which she then blasphemously blamed everything when it didn't work out..
Alex... why? Unbelievable.
Goosebumps ran when Hannah's parents started listening to the first tape.
Hannah Baker.
Seriously. That's not in a hurry. 13 reasons why. Actually, I only see one.
Everything else... not that it's very pleasant. But she had people who could help her, who would be there for her. But she pushed everyone away... and she ruined everything. (Personally, I can only call her weak. And that's it.) She killed herself. And it's her fault.
I really like the rest of the characters (almost all of them) except for Hannah herself. I don't know if I'll be watching other seasons yet, but if I do, I really hope to reveal the rest of the characters.. and the development of Glue is desirable.. It's kind of sad to look at him.
But in general, it's not bad.. but Hannah has her own personality... That's for sure... There aren't even any words.
She could be fine. Unfortunately, she ruined a lot of things herself...
Everyone was just talking about this series. After watching it, I wanted to make a face palm. No, the series was shot well, the actors are normal, but here are the reasons... It's just ridiculous. Maybe they really commit suicide in America because of these reasons, but as a person living in Europe, I don't understand this.
This is pi##ec. It's been a long time since I've wanted to kill everyone so badly, starting with the characters and ending with those who wrote their dialogues.
Dialogues are actually my favorite thing in this series. I don't like it when the structure of the narrative is such that everyone understands everything inside the cinema, but the viewer doesn't understand shit until the very last minutes - a cheap way to keep the viewer. But that's not why I "loved" the dialogues so much. Everyone here probably answers each other with a question most of the time! I'm serious. There were even combos where they took turns asking 6 questions in a row. And some phrases like "This should teach us that we should be better" sound so straightforward and clumsy that you realize that the hero is addressing her as if to the viewer.
Many dialogues and actions are completely and completely meaningless. Very often, one or another hero comes to another, exchanges a couple of questions for a question, and leaves.- very revealing scenes, what to say. I especially liked the writers' move when Clay couldn't listen to his tape on the playground, and Tony took him to the hillside for no reason, so that there would be a scene where Clay wants to throw himself off him.
I have no complaints about the actors' performance, but the characters' images seemed to me to be very exaggerated. Hannah is a walking magnet for trouble, and she was able to gather around herself just some absolute scum from all over the school. In short, I can't empathize. And a Chinese woman is just some kind of new level of scum.
And in the end, despite everything, you even get interested, and now you think that as a "social agenda about suicides" it will do, but for some reason the authors decided not to stop at one season, and they throw up twists about Alex and the photographer that are completely unnecessary for this series.
And Alex is good. I believed that the tapes were true, but I hung out with the rapist Bryce and his company.
I got so involved in the narrative that at the moment when Hannah cuts her wrists, I had to say to myself several times: "It's just Phil!". I was too impressed.
The series is generally good! It's addictive and easy to watch a non-linear plot (some movies and TV series can't boast of this). He raises the right topics and draws logical conclusions. I definitely didn't waste my time watching it.
I hope the next seasons won't be too slow.
But reading the comments on each episode is simply unbearable!
So much anger and intolerance. So much condemnation, provocation, and snobbery.
I would like to say one thing, GOD FORBID that children, parents, teachers (or anyone else) get into similar situations and end up in the place of the characters!
Take care of yourself and your loved ones! Be attentive and tolerant! Don't do evil! And help those who need help and support!!!
It's a bit long-winded, of course, as far as I'm concerned.
But the comments are sometimes surprising. Especially when they say that Hannah is a fool and an egotist, she committed suicide. They say many people had problems at school and nothing, they are alive and well.
A lot of people of all ages, even adults, strong and successful, self-heal. What then can we say about a girl of this age, when she just moved and went to a new school, she has no friends, attempts to make friends lead to her being deceived, betrayed, humiliated, shamed throughout the school, after which all this repeats and repeats? And even when she "gave one last chance" and went to a psychologist, he turned out to be a bit shaky, he only made it worse.
Oh, yes, despite the fact that she was also raped after all this harassment. How a girl might feel after that is anyone's guess.
It's also surprising that teenagers are expected to act like adults. And to report to the police, and to stop the rapist, and to tell the parents everything, including about the rape. I don't even want to comment on this nonsense here.
P.S. I, of course, do not justify suicide in any way, but if I went through all this at one time (there was no such thing), it does not mean that any other person will calmly survive. For some, it's a small thing, for others, the loss of the meaning of life.
But Tyler seems to be preparing to become a terrarist at school.
Many people say that this season should have been over. Well, then we'll see further and we won't give an estimate ahead of time)
I'm looking at 2023, and you know what, this season is just an example of what we've come to love about Netflix. In 2017, they shot in such a way that it was impossible to break away. I just plunged into the atmosphere of that time, thank you.
I also have questions for the photographer, did you really decide to shoot everyone? Otherwise, I don't understand why he needs so many weapons.
No matter what you say, Hannah still didn't look like a suicide. She looked too determined. And she didn't even turn pale at the thought of slitting her wrists.
In general, I'm sorry for the girl, but I still consider self-intoxication to be too easy a solution to get rid of problems.
Clay's doing great, at least he's doing something. And even Skye invited her for a walk so that she wouldn't be sad, probably)))
Bryce is still a jerk, I hope he gets what he deserves in the second season.
Alex... 💔 Why? Maybe he hadn't fired the shot himself, after all. Tyler has a gun, he took his photo from the rope in the last frames... This raised doubts.
Why guess? Go ahead and watch Season 2! 👀
He made me remember my school years, what bullying I had to go through at school and what an indelible mark it left on my whole life. Looking at adulthood, it seems that well, yes, it's tough, but are these reasons for suicide? But remembering yourself at that age, you realize that every little thing there can seem like the end of the world.. hormones, youthful maximalism, and a bunch of other things.
And in the end, we let go of thoughts about the past and now I'm thinking about the future - how to help my child, how to make him ask for help, tell me what's going on, and not become the one who is being bullied and the one who is being bullied. It's so scary..
I had a loving mother, but I was still afraid of her anger and dissatisfaction with me. That's why I didn't talk about what was happening at school. But in general, this grew out of the fact that the older children get, the more independent they become, the less parents talk to them or ask seriously how their day is.
I will try to keep such confidential conversations with my daughter as much as I can, so that she never feels that she is alone and knows that her mother will stand up for her if someone offends her.