Supernatural — s14e18 — Absence

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Duration: 43 min.
Released: 11.04.201912.04.2019 03:00
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14 season
s14e18
s14e14 - Ouroboros
s14e15 - Peace of Mind
s14e16 - Don't Go in the Woods
s14e17 - Game Night
s14e18 - Absence
s14e19 - Jack in the Box
s14e20 - Moriah
s15e01 - Back and to the Future
s15e02 - Raising Hell

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царь_цапок
царь_цапок
12 Apr 2019, 14:10 #
What I don't want to look at at all is the evil Jack and the Winchesters trying to stop the one who has become their family. So just for what?
Besides the fact that this is the saddest move, it is also so banal and predictable that at least because of this, I hoped that they would not do so. But no. Let's make Jack, who had no intention of being evil, being the son of Lucifer, out of Jack, who considered himself a Winchester and loved them, and they loved him, the evil of the world, and make the guys hate and hunt him. And even if his soul is returned to him, they won't be able to treat him the way they used to. Why ruin such a relationship is unclear to me.
Arumi
Arumi
12 Apr 2019, 14:38 #
@tsar_capok: Because they've probably run out of other villains. So are the ideas.
volkovaa134
volkovaa134
12 Apr 2019, 21:07 #
Agree. It's unbearably disappointing that Jack's relationship with the Winchesters is collapsing, and for the first time, I don't even want to see the other side (evil) of the character so much.
TatianaBlunt
TatianaBlunt
19 Jun 2019, 08:06 #
@tsar_capok: I give you a plus
царь_цапок
царь_цапок
12 Apr 2019, 14:41 #
I really want the situation with Jack to be resolved this season, but it was resolved positively and so that the next season would be like the initial ones: the brothers go to work and destroy evil spirits. I don't need any big plot, as far as I'm concerned, it would be great to end up where we started. And, of course, Cas and Jack are on the same team. For Chuck's sake, return his grandson to the Hard Drives and let them live peacefully with those who are dear to them.
volkovaa134
volkovaa134
12 Apr 2019, 21:08 #
It seems to me that next season there will be a theme with Emptiness, while Jack will play on two sides, not understanding who he is and what
Sovereign
Sovereign
14 Apr 2019, 04:39 #
@volkovaa134: How's the next season? I thought this was the last one, the last one... Will it be even more recent? they leave as a Scorpions band - every year there is a new farewell tour :D
Annetinka
Annetinka
14 Apr 2019, 04:44 #
@Sovereign: Actually, it was first extended to the next one, and then it was announced that the 15th would be the last. So yes, another season awaits us.
countmiktiorkuan
countmiktiorkuan
12 Apr 2019, 16:39 #
I've been thinking the whole episode that she's in another dimension, which is "The Bad Place". But instead of bringing everything to this storyline, the creators make a "knight's move" and create a new villain from Jack. I don't even know what they'll do with the ending, but potentially they'll leave holes in the plot again.
attica
attica
PRO
12 Apr 2019, 17:09 #
Mary didn't deserve to end up like this.
juliakey
juliakey
13 Apr 2019, 20:05 #
@attica: and in my opinion, she really deserved it. To be in paradise, at peace. No guilt, no pain, no unfinished business. Finally reunite with her husband.
She's been practically useless as a character for a long time. He's bouncing back and forth.
Last season, at least she had a goal, a mission. Fight the resisters against Michael's angels.
And in this world, where she had already died once, she could not find a place for herself, and neither could the screenwriters.

So I think it's the right move. To finally put Mary Winchester to rest.

Another thing is, at what price
attica
attica
PRO
15 Apr 2019, 19:05 #
@juliakey: I vehemently contradict everything that was said, but in general I meant exactly how she died.
Just_Jesse
Just_Jesse
PRO
01 May 2019, 23:38 #
R.I.P
Grenada
Grenada
12 Feb 2023, 18:21 #
@Just_Jesse: Is she 29 years old? I just realized that it was buzzing so much when they showed the past, when a young actress was pregnant with Dean, and then bam and another actress. The ages didn't add up.
ZombieArtStudent
ZombieArtStudent
15 Apr 2019, 21:21 #
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rova_om
rova_om
12 Apr 2019, 17:51 #
That's it. Mary is no more and most likely won't be. I think the creators of the series give everyone peace of mind. This season, John was also shown to us, reminding us of how it all began. I really hope that Charlie will be shown too.
SvetikWolf
SvetikWolf
PRO
12 Apr 2019, 18:40 #
Your mother! It's so stupid to drain Mary! I didn't expect to be honest. I thought if she died, it would be in a global battle with a demon, in the finale, but not so that her death would be inserted to develop Jack's dark line. This is a fiasco of the SPN!
Ragnalstan
Ragnalstan
01 May 2019, 08:01 #
@SvetikWolf: They poured it in, they poured it in, and they drained it. I doubt anyone was even interested in her line this season.
AndrewProsky
AndrewProsky
27 Apr 2020, 17:47 #
@Ragnalstan: She left with Bobby, then they forgot about Bobby.
id391845382
id391845382
12 Apr 2019, 18:44 #
That's probably Mary's most useless character, if she died in battle, no one watching would be particularly upset, but killing her with Jack's hands!!!! It's just the height of cruelty... Stop bullying Jack already!
ViktoryMartini
ViktoryMartini
12 Apr 2019, 20:33 #
I'm shocked. The series is heavy. I didn't like Mary's character, and the idea was that she was given a second chance at life anyway, and the brothers were given a chance to meet their mother. But! Such an ending is somehow sad for her, as we wrote above.
And the fact that Jack will be a new villain, and an ambiguous evil, has long been clear, this is not surprising.
volkovaa134
volkovaa134
12 Apr 2019, 21:17 #
The scriptwriters have just shocked me. And not in a good way. They had, in fact, irrevocably damaged Jack's relationship with the Winchesters. They will not be able to treat Jack well after the incident with Mary, no matter how much they would like it, considering that Jack did not do it on purpose and was in despair from what he had done. And it's so terrible! I loved their relationship and caring for the boy so much that it's not just insulting, but painful to see. The dark side of Jack was obvious even before he was born, but I didn't think the writers would decide to bring him to such an unstable state and make him almost the main enemy of Dean and Sam.
Ofer
Ofer
12 Apr 2019, 22:29 #
I really want Chuck (God) to teach his grandson Jack a lesson.
mkonorev
mkonorev
12 Apr 2019, 22:44 #
I didn't feel sorry for Mary at all... The episode didn't cause any feelings at all.
volkovaa134
volkovaa134
13 Apr 2019, 01:20 #
To be honest, I didn't care about Mary either. The scriptwriters, in contrast, put Jack in a desperate situation and his future relationship with his brothers, which you don't really think about Mary, although it would seem that the whole mess is because of her death. You can't put two such events in one episode when one of the characters didn't really find a response in the hearts of the fans))
ann_mihaelis
ann_mihaelis
PRO
18 Apr 2019, 09:42 #
@mkonorev: support. As a character, she was there for the furniture. Well, no, she's not there. And the series, in general, is such a bore. I barely finished watching the background
Loreena_Taylor
Loreena_Taylor
13 Apr 2019, 01:43 #
A touching episode came out. Dean's emotions are very strong, and thanks to Jensen, you can feel his pain on this side of the screen. The flashbacks turned out to be appropriate. The only thing Dina would add to her memories is more moments from childhood, the first seasons. After all, this is the second time he has experienced the death of his mother, and, unlike Sam, he remembers his earliest years with her. If these moments had been inserted, I would have cried for at least a day.
SeaKat
SeaKat
PRO
13 Apr 2019, 02:12 #
Well, Jack was made evil... This means they will look for ways to defeat him (which they don't want at all), or save his soul... And then what?!
Mary was treated neutrally, but there were many touching moments in the episode!!!
Барнитто
Барнитто
PRO
13 Apr 2019, 03:14 #
I felt like Jack was going to lose his bearings. On the one hand, it's about time. He's an ambiguous character, he should be controversial. But this emotional instability is the culmination of my indignation. It's so lackluster to cut out Mary - you have to try. I felt sorry for her for just a second, and then I realized that she had no weight. When she wasn't in the frame, I didn't feel like she was anywhere near. And this, for a second, is the mother of our guys, for whom they started a massacre with evil spirits.
I don't know, in general. The drama has been lost, too much has already happened. Such moments are already taken for granted.

Two more episodes and the final season will remain. Feelings are mixed.
Sweet-Sweet
Sweet-Sweet
13 Apr 2019, 03:20 #
I didn't expect Mary to be killed, I was almost 100 percent sure that she was in the Void or somewhere else, and Jack killed her, too, and no less brutally than Nick, although they said it was painless, but the pile of ashes is impressive nevertheless. To be honest, I initially had doubts about her resurrection by Darkness, and for me she still hasn't caught on as a character, so I'm fine with draining her, except that I feel sorry for my brothers, they understand that sadly.
Regarding Jack, I agree with the opinion that his relationship with his brothers was just so radically and irrevocably ruined, even if Mary is resurrected in the end, there will still be a residue, as they say.
Moonlight_Waltz
Moonlight_Waltz
13 Apr 2019, 03:28 #
Well, actually, it's predictable. Mary was leaked, while the series is dedicated to the pressure on pity, although the heart still skipped a beat, but not enough. They shouldn't have brought her into the series to get rid of her so stupidly. and Jack will be made into the final "evil evil". supernatural has never shone with multiple moves, but to do everything so stupidly by the end of the series is a shame. I was hoping that they would squeeze out everything they can, since the series is coming to an end, and not use banal and predictable ideas.

I wish Cas could just take Jack's grace in the end, because he can do that. he would have stuffed grace into a jar, hidden it somewhere, and in the final battle with the Void, a similar ingredient would have been needed a hundred pounds, and in the meantime Jack would have become a strange kid again, he would have learned to hunt, but Dean would hardly take it out here, they would swat anyway.

Dean, who was mad at Cas for not telling him anything, pissed him off the most. Like, Kamon, no matter whose cow is mooing, you've been hiding so much yourself. Besides, you taught Cas how to "be human," and he took most of the shit out of you, and he learned how to lie from you, too. Cas decided to wait until he was sure that Jack was dangerous, because Dean was always out of control, and as a result, he came out to blame for everything, and Sam correctly said that they all understood from the very beginning that Jack would "snap" sooner or later, there was no place to blame Cas at all.

p.s. how amazing it is that the entrance to paradise is on the playground. and it doesn't bother the people around that there are always some people walking around, strange adult men in raincoats can stand near this sandbox for several hours. Well, the crypota is the same.
countmiktiorkuan
countmiktiorkuan
13 Apr 2019, 10:07 #
@Moonlight_Waltz: multi-passable Supernaturals shone in the early seasons, when, for example, Ruby turned out to be the main traitor, or, for example, when the final seal was in Lilith's death. And then everything went according to the scheme - a BIG VILLAIN appears - after which he waltzes with the Winchesters all season, and towards the end they find a way to eliminate him, simultaneously losing a couple of minor characters - and then they cut out the villain and 1) a new location opens (Purgatory, parallel dimensions, and everything else) 2) a new raid boss appears (Darkness, Castiel is a god) 3) either one brother dies or he disappears somewhere.
Moonlight_Waltz
Moonlight_Waltz
14 Apr 2019, 11:48 #
@countmiktiorkuan: Thank you, I'm aware of what happened in the early seasons, and what you've described is the standard pattern that the series follows, which is more like "pivotal turns." For example, the scriptwriters would not forget about the burn left by Castiel (Jensen himself said at the conference that they simply forgot about him) when he pulled Dean out of hell, or Amy Pond (kitsune), whom Dean killed and told her son to find him when he grows up, and he's probably already grown up a hundred times during this time, or what the hell is John doing in paradise (in this episode, Cas said that Mary is there with John), although maybe I missed this moment, but how did he get to heaven and why didn't they tell us more about it. in general, there are a lot of points that the scriptwriters unknowingly missed, did not explain to us in any way, and then hammered the bolt on it. for me, a multi-step is when an old detail pops up, after which everything is put in place, and, returning to Mary, it was a fanservice for the sake of a fanservice, it did not really affect the plot, it stood as a decoration, and now it has been very stupidly merged - to this I wrote that the supernatural never shone with multi-steps.
countmiktiorkuan
countmiktiorkuan
14 Apr 2019, 12:14 #
@Moonlight_Waltz: you have your own definition of "multiple paths". I'm talking about unexpected plot twists.
Moonlight_Waltz
Moonlight_Waltz
14 Apr 2019, 19:47 #
@countmiktiorkuan: Well, Russian is a rich language, it is developing, we can use any word and its meaning will depend on the context. I used it here to mean: a multi-step is a combination of several actions that then lead to some kind of goal, a plot twist is some unexpected action that changes the narrative. usually, after a good episode, a plot twist appears, more often the episode can last for several years. like, for example, Dean's "useless" amulet, which just hung around his neck for a bunch of years, constantly knocked out the actor's teeth, and then turned out to be a stray for Chuck. or from your example, Ruby herself did a lot of tricks: she pretended that she could save Dean, said that she remembered what kind of person she was, ingratiated herself into Sam's confidence, maybe she made him fall in love with her to some extent, got him hooked on blood, fueled anger and encouraged him to kill Lilith, and (plot twist!) all in order to save Lucifer, and Lilith herself was not a multi-step girl. We initially knew that she was an antihero, but there was a plot twist, and here you have the last seal.

in short, I was hoping that Mary's decorative role could somehow be explained in a different way, that she would not just be Jack's off-screen mom, so that his conscience would torment him more later (if he had killed the left-wing man again, the brothers would hardly have reacted LIKE THAT, even if Jack had then gone cuckoo), - And if this is their multi-pass, then it's very stupid.
Fargulita
Fargulita
14 Apr 2019, 22:06 #
Why John is in heaven was revealed in the season when they opened the gates of hell.
Moonlight_Waltz
Moonlight_Waltz
14 Apr 2019, 22:26 #
@Fargulita: but they opened them in the second season, and John just disappeared like a ghost somewhere. Of course, I understand that the angels could have put him in heaven so that the demons wouldn't get him and he wouldn't break the seals, but I don't remember this moment being discussed in any way.
Идиотка
Идиотка
17 Apr 2019, 13:45 #
@countmiktiorkuan: I'm afraid you've just described (if we omit the features of the world of each series) the template for most superheroics =(
countmiktiorkuan
countmiktiorkuan
17 Apr 2019, 15:32 #
@Idiot: Well, superheroics are pretty primitive too. There are, of course, exceptions, but in general, yes, the guys in colorful pajamas are still a popcorn product, that is, designed for the mass consumer - there are happy endings, and often a love line, and a fight with special effects. It's not necessarily something bad, by the way. Sometimes you just want to sit down and watch something that doesn't strain your brain.
sergey_sh
sergey_sh
13 Apr 2019, 13:12 #
This is the most depressing episode of all! No plot, no monsters... Just, dear viewers who love the Supernatural series, watch 40 minutes of snot...
I always argued with those who said it was time to close the series! But today, I'll take it off. Where is the good old fight against evil??
Persephythys
Persephythys
13 Apr 2019, 18:22 #
@sergey_sh:
He'll be right there. But unlike all the previous cardboard villains, the new "evil" is ambiguous.
I know, judging by the comments, most people didn't like the fact that Jack's scriptwriters were snatched from under the wing of the family, and now they're going to force the brothers to hunt him. But personally, I think it's something fresh that the series lacked, and that's quite suitable as a final story.
All the last seasons, all these cartoon antagonists were so banal in their absolute evil that their fate and the outcome of the story, personally, did not bother me at all. There was also Darkness back and forth, but it was someone else's, hastily glued, and also did not stir anything inside. Well, she flew away and flew away, entertainment for the season. You can still remember Cas going off the rails, but that season sucked so much, honestly, does anyone remember anything from all that mess?

Now the brothers will go against one of their own, and without the desire to help him, as it was with Cas. This is no longer their fucked-up cat-and-mouse game, where the opponent could have slammed them with a snap of his fingers, but for some reason he didn't do it. It is now clear why they will delay!
I already expect a lot of conflicting feelings - I don't want either side to gain the upper hand. And the end can be completely unexpected. For the first time in a long time, I'm wondering what's going to happen next.
countmiktiorkuan
countmiktiorkuan
14 Apr 2019, 21:17 #
@Persephythys: >Теперь братья пойдут против одного из своих, причем без желания ему помочь, как было с Касом. Это уже не их задолбавшая игра в кошки-мышки, где противник мог бы их прихлопнуть щелчком пальцев, но почему-то это не делал. Тут теперь понятно почему они будут медлить!

Вот опять же - это уже было с Касом. Это уже было и когда Метатрон всех киданул. Лучше бы они закрывали имеющиеся сюжетные дыры, а не делали все по шаблону - положительный персонаж превращается в злого. Например - то же измерение, где монстры - "The Bad Place". Джек, например, мог случайно Мэри закинуть и туда, и заодно открыть множество порталов в то измерение, и Винчестеры бы сражались с огромным злом - попутно бы весь мир узнал о сверхъестественном и всяком таком - ну, и в итоге последний сезон Винчестеры бы боролись с монстрами, вытащили бы того же Майкла из Ада, чтобы тот помог (потенциально, не точно), а потом отправились бы на заслуженную пенсию, потому что весь мир знает о монстрах - охотники им не нужны, ведь охотниками, по сути, станут все. Можно было бы еще в качестве финального злодея выдвинуть "Мирового Змея", как раз из того же "The Bad Place", допустим там произошел Рагнарёк или что-то вроде этого.
countmiktiorkuan
countmiktiorkuan
14 Apr 2019, 21:23 #
@countmiktiorkuan: Ну, или Тень из Пустоты - от монстров мы отбились и все хорошо, поэтому Тень придет за Касом - ну, и финальный файт, где кто-то жертвует собой.
robmarklal
robmarklal
13 Apr 2019, 13:38 #
Немного ожидаемый исход событий. Но очень жаль, что все пришло к тому, что Джека сделали злым. Мэри. О, милая Мэри, я успела с каждой новой серией в неё влюбляться снова и снова, а эти флэшбэки заставляли моё сердце трепетать и слезы не останавливались. Грустная, сильная и ин интересная серия
sally_ride
sally_ride
13 Apr 2019, 15:14 #
До последнего надеялась, что Мэри в другом измерении или что-то вроде того. Кажется, по-дурацки от нее избавились, и зачем была эта линия с Бобби (и гле он вообще?). Ну в лучшем мире, так в лучшем мире.
Жалко и обидно за Джека, откуда-то взялся Люцифер в его голове и словно продолжает издеваться. Обидно за Каса, которого ни за что обвиняют во всех грехах.
С другой стороны все возвращение Мэри было странным и противоестественным даже для нее, так что может быть это должно было случиться так или иначе.
Дин и Сэм теперь словно родители, которые будут гоняться за заблудшим сыном, пытаясь простить или не сделать его еще хуже.
erolatex
erolatex
13 Apr 2019, 18:53 #
@sally_ride: Второго Бобби убил Майкл вместе со всеми
Persephythys
Persephythys
13 Apr 2019, 20:16 #
@erolatex: С чего вы это взяли? Его среди трупов не было, и никто об этом не говорил.
ViktoryMartini
ViktoryMartini
17 Apr 2019, 16:39 #
Вот про Бобби кстати да! Куда он делся? У них же была линия с Мери? И что, ему даже не сообщили о ней? Странно
чайка
чайка
13 Apr 2019, 18:13 #
оказывается у всех дофига розовосопливых моментов с Мери. а мы весь сезон гадали, где эта кукушка. Ровена весь сезон казалась была мамастее Винчестерам, чем Мери.
безумно жаль, что так топорно из Джека сделали главное зло. и никто не поинтересовался, а как оно было? а вдруг бы это и не Джек, а Люцик, а Джек его уже потом остановил.
такого светлого Джека...эх...спасибо, что следующий сезон будет финальным
Florenskay
Florenskay
13 Apr 2019, 20:17 #
Щас полетят дизлайки, но мне почему то было совсем все равно на смерть Мэри
Sherstnew
Sherstnew
13 Apr 2019, 20:55 #
И что Джек вызвал Пустоту или нет?
YuraFedchyshyn
YuraFedchyshyn
14 Apr 2019, 02:26 #
Мне больше было жаль когда умер Кроули, нежели Мери.
Annetinka
Annetinka
14 Apr 2019, 05:08 #
@YuraFedchyshyn: и Чарли
Annetinka
Annetinka
14 Apr 2019, 05:06 #
Всю серию не покидала мысль о том, как жалко Джека. Несмотря на то, что умерла мать ГГ, как-то это особо не вызвало эмоций. Хоть Джеи и сыграли достаточно убедительно. Просто лично для меня это персонаж был настолько не к месту, что как-то должны они были ее когда-то слить. Может, виноваты сценаристы и, если б нам больше показывали отношений (совместных охот или подобного) между Мери и парнями, мы бы к ней больше прониклись. Ну, что есть...
А на Джека все же лично я больше смотрю на как маленького 2-летнего ребенка с ооооочень большими силами. И от этого совсем как-то грустно. Ведь реально об этом мало кто вспоминает. Ну да, он появился сразу большим, но по сути он же пустой лист был. И тогда, когда ему нужна была забота, внимание, вкладываение в него знаний о мире, о добре и зле и всего прочего, не всегда с ним рядом был кто-то для этого. Понятно, что он не обычный ребенок, но и мир за 2 года сложно узнать.
Взрослые-то люди, которые отсидели в тюрьме или пролежали долго в коме/больнице, не всегда могут приспособиться к измененному миру.
Так что для меня не очень удивительно все, что произошло. Джеку нужна была забота и понимание. А по факту с ним замалчивали или недоговаривали то, в чем ему самому было сложно разобраться ввиду того, что он не достаточно смышлен. Короче, налажали папашки-то. Причем, естественно, все трое. Да и Мери им не особо помогала, хотя могла бы хоть Джеком заняться, раз своих не сложилось вырастить.
И я вот тоже не понимаю, что сложного не лезть к человеку, если он просит этого не делать?! Да дай чуть время остыть/переварить, а потом уже попробуй поговорить или подключить кого-то еще к этому. А тем более, когда у этого человека есть какие-то неограниченные силы, с которыми у него еще не все получается.
чайка
чайка
14 Apr 2019, 15:00 #
@Annetinka: вот да. те случайные подростки быстренько слились, увидев мощь Джека, а Мери, на глазах которой только что выжгли человека, пытается доколебаться. Думала бессмертная
chernyshevasash
chernyshevasash
14 Apr 2019, 16:04 #
Вообще не осуждаю Джека. Если Мэри меня-то настолько сильно бесила (хотя я нахожусь по ту сторону экрана и вообще никак не отношусь к происходящему), то сложно представить как столько продержался Джек. Бедняге ни шага не давали ступить, а в конце прошлой серии целенаправленно задалбывали, видя что он несётся к нервному срыву с библейской скоростью.
Жалеть о смерти Мэри - бессмысленно, так как это изначально слитый персонаж, которого не надо было возвращать. Ее смерть была причиной того, почему в принципе Винчестеры стали охотниками, поэтому возвращение было провальной идеей (на удивление некоторым понравившейся), что и надо было оставить как есть.
full_fusion
full_fusion
14 Apr 2019, 17:36 #
Ровена такая стала прелестная. Вспоминаю, как она бесила в начале, а теперь! Просто зайка.

Серия пиздец, столько времени всех влюбляли в Джека, все зрители на него умилялись и нате. Ну понятно, типа такой низкий ход, чтоб все были в шоке. По-свински.

И у меня вопрос возник. возможно уже отвечал кто: а где Бобби? Тоже тихонько сгинул?х)
countmiktiorkuan
countmiktiorkuan
14 Apr 2019, 21:21 #
@full_fusion: вообще - Ровена, Чарли и некоторые другие персонажи - одни из немногих "алмазов" в навозной куче последних сезонов. И на Бобби, скорее всего, забили. Как обычно. Кайя альтернативная - забили. Да и вообще много чего просто оставили, как будто и не было.
oleg2101
oleg2101
14 Apr 2019, 19:36 #
Надеюсь весь следующий сезон будет посвящён борьбе с Джеком который станет уже насовсем абсолютным злом. К концу сериала эпично погибнет Кас, Сэм убьёт Джека сам и вообще кто-то из братьев один умрёт принёс себя в жертву ради спасения всего.
Вот это было бы идеально) тяжело, но как точка было бы.
t830x
t830x
15 Apr 2019, 14:18 #
На секунду показали красные глаза Ника, я уже обрадовался, Люцифер вернулся таки, а там фиг - это галюциогенка Джека :/
ЧижикПыжик
ЧижикПыжик
15 Apr 2019, 16:24 #
Создатели сериала, я вас умоляю, никому из зрителей не нужна ваша Мэри. Не зачем такую скорбную серию было делать.
Chortowod
Chortowod
16 Apr 2019, 16:00 #
Ребят, подскажите пожалуйста, кто хорошо смотрел этот сезон.
Какие серии сюжетные? Или они делают так, что в каждую серию кидают 10% сюжета и 90% дел, не связанных с ним?
13 сезон я весь посмотрел, этот бы хотелось (не бейте тапками, времени столько нет) посмотреть выборочно и не пропустить важного :D
Может кто просветить? :3
Stelena
Stelena
16 Apr 2019, 20:53 #
Никого не смутило, что они тело Мери сожгли прям на дороге?...
dr_anush
dr_anush
02 May 2019, 23:20 #
Даже на перекрёстке....... мы с парнем тоже заметили
Kloto
Kloto
17 Apr 2019, 00:26 #
Мэри((
С одной стороны приятно знать, что она в раю с Джоном и они счастливы, но то что Дину и Сэму во второй раз пришлось ее потерять это очень грустно...
kronusn7
kronusn7
17 Apr 2019, 04:13 #
Ну по сути персонаж Мэри и так был не на своём месте.
Вообще не пойму этого, чувак предотвратил второе пришествие Люцифера, а она накинулась так, да ещё зная что он не совсем в порядке стала наезжать. Очень надеюсь что повернут в другое русло, если Джек рили станет злодеем и начнёт творить дичь это будет мало того что скучно, особенно для финального сезона так ещё и очень очевидно, слишком идиотский поворот сюжета.
Больше всего переживал за Ровену, вот кто из персонажей после Кроули до сих пор радует. Ну и дед без души тоже крут.
veer
veer
17 Apr 2019, 07:57 #
Так глупо нашли себе большое зло на грядущий финал.. Лучше б те людоеды с другого измерения снова прорвались, которые пасть раззевали и головы откусывали и через фаст фуд людей тупыми делали, и то интереснее было)
Короче одумайтесь сценаристы, почитайте какую нибудь мифологию-фантастику, закройте историю Джека сейчас!
Gordey
Gordey
19 Apr 2019, 03:06 #
And what if the brothers forgive Jack, but the spell has broken something and a Void or someone even worse will break out on the ground?!
No, it's too difficult a move for screenwriters..
zyyfff
zyyfff
PRO
28 Jul 2024, 06:12 #
@Gordey: I was reading in the hope of this comment! There are also 2 episodes of this season to forgive Jack and take him back. Well, let the villain be something that (let's say) Jack caused 💔
Shaneer
Shaneer
19 Apr 2019, 06:37 #
это было ожидаемо, что Мэри рано или поздно выпилят
Ana_kane
Ana_kane
19 Apr 2019, 12:57 #
Одного не пойму, за каким чертом надо было вырезать M.W на столе в бункере? Как будто она там так часто появлялась, ага. Их же перенесли туда из импалы, и раньше инициалы означали, что ребятки нашли себе новый дом после бесконечных скитаний по мотелям. А теперь это что значит? Рест ин пис для персонажа, которого так и не смогли нормально вклинить в сюжет? Где тогда D.W, раз уж на то пошло. Ох уж эти позерские ходы сценаристов, которые не смогли за 3 сезона привить ни интереса, ни сочувствия, ни любви к Мэри, кидали ее по каким то ебеням, а потом сделали серию, в течении которой давили на жалость, показывали чб флэшбэки трогательных сцен, которые поленились снять тогда, когда они на самом деле были нужны и пытались убедить нас в том, что нам не наплевать на персонажа, на которого нам плавать, причем по вине самих же сценаристов. Браво брависсемо
Iamfdrvv
Iamfdrvv
19 Apr 2019, 13:27 #
Сильная серия! Парней жалко очень
Lonely_Squirrel
Lonely_Squirrel
20 Apr 2019, 05:08 #
Вся эта кутерьма с возвращением людей после смерти уже давно не вызывает интереса. Проблема Винчестеров в том, что они не умеют отпускать людей. Причём распространяется это на их так называемую семью, из которой легко быть выпнутой из-за косяка, который натворили сами же братья. Нахрена сейчас возмущаться, что "с Джеком что-то не то", когда вас заранее предупреждали об этом, когда его собирались воскрешать.
Не говоря о том с какой жестокостью валил Дин людей, тот же бездушный Сэм. По сравнению с этим Джек просто ребёнок в песочнице. Ах, да, они же убивали монстров, а он убил Ника-человека. Он ну ни разу прям не был хуже некоторых монстров и демонов, которые были в сериале.
Что меня всегда в Дине бесило, так то, что он человек каких-то прям полярно противоречивых взглядов. Видит только или чёрное, или белое. Кас не сказал о проблемах с Джеком (о которых как бэ сами братья были предупреждены) - "Кас вали из семьи, если что-то случится", Джек запутался и не знает что делать - "Джек, ты сам виноват, что мы с братом воскресили тебя, не дав спокойно умереть. Ведь у нас и так проблем маловато, нужно ещё одну прибавить".
Arumi
Arumi
21 Apr 2019, 04:11 #
С вашего позволения (и после прочтения комментариев) я, пожалуй, на этом дропну просмотр до лучших времён. Может быть когда-нибудь, спустя годы, когда выйдет последний сезон и меня заест ностальгия по Винчестерам, я вернусь к этой недосмотренной серии, которую я уже вторую неделю не могу себя заставить начать, и добью до конца. Но сейчас вот у меня нет никакого желания смотреть, как сценаристы насилуют остатки моего уважения к вселенной СПН и ее заморышу логике.
Спасибо за все и все такое, но сериал отправляется в статус «Перестала»
Ragnalstan
Ragnalstan
01 May 2019, 07:55 #
@Arumi: очень зря)) Финалочка неплохая получилась, даже вернулось старое доброе ощущение "скорей бы новый сезон"
Arumi
Arumi
01 May 2019, 20:11 #
До финалочки ещё придётся просмотреть пару серий, которые в глотку не лезут, а желание отбито. Как-нибудь потом)
kreeptonitt
kreeptonitt
23 Apr 2019, 22:50 #
Как бы плохо это не звучало, но НАКОНЕЦ-ТО. Мэри была бесполезным персонажем, просто занимала экранное время.
Merovingen
Merovingen
22 May 2019, 01:49 #
@kreeptonitt: я даже 5 звёзд поставил этому эпизоду. Как же давно я ждал её выпиливания!
id4166357
id4166357
26 May 2019, 17:21 #
@Merovingen: А я поставила "2" за еще одну серию, потраченную на бессмысленно вернутую Мери и жевания соплей по ней. Наконец-то выпилили. Хотя это же Сверхи, здесь никто не умирает навсегда. Только, видимо, Кроули (((
sam80
sam80
26 Apr 2019, 02:13 #
Зачем они фотку Мэри сожгли? Оставили бы лучше на память.
kotofey_matveich
kotofey_matveich
09 May 2019, 12:13 #
Из сезона в сезон одни и те же грабли и двойные стандарты.
Nadya_Ackles
Nadya_Ackles
13 May 2019, 19:18 #
Единственное, что действительно меня растрогало это то, что братья опять теряют то, что им дорого, так ещё и с таким поворотом. А саму Мэри мне не жалко. Её кидали постоянно от одной локации в другую, она почти не была со своими детьми. То ей нужно время, то она с британцами, то она хочет остаться в параллельном мире, то она с Бобби. Единственная годная серия с ней это когда семья полностью воссоединилась.
Обидно, что её не раскрыли так, как хотелось бы
lelsteny
lelsteny
24 May 2019, 21:02 #
Что выбесило, так это отношение Винчестеров
Напоминаю, что демоны-это люди, в которых вселились, одержимые
И в предыдущих сезонах их изгоняли, чтобы человек выжил
Сейчас же всех просто тыкают ножиками. И, по сути, они убивают и людей
Зато когда Джек убил Ника.. Сколько воплей типа "Какая жестокость" "Он это не заслучил"
Сириосли?!
id22224139
id22224139
24 May 2019, 22:53 #
@lelsteny: Полностью согласна! Особенно на счет одержимых людей демонами, раньше они по ним слезы лили, если приходилось убивать. Да и Сэм тоже был без души, и Дин ради него на многое пошел, да они ради друг друга апокалипсисы устраивали, а тут сразу убивать и не пытаться.
lelsteny
lelsteny
27 May 2019, 01:31 #
@id22224139: да наши мысли схожи :В
может, мы бро?
id22224139
id22224139
28 May 2019, 00:26 #
@lelsteny: В этой вселенной всё возможно :Р
Dolorous
Dolorous
31 May 2019, 22:16 #
Мэри жаль, но серия - скука смертная
TatianaBlunt
TatianaBlunt
19 Jun 2019, 08:08 #
Ну зачем делать из Джека злодея?! Нууу заааааачемм ??!!
TatianaBlunt
TatianaBlunt
19 Jun 2019, 10:15 #
Мэри как персонаж мне не заходила, но не убивать же ее так нелепо руками Джека...
Я думаю что максимум Джек мог сделать это отправить ее на гору куда-нибудь в тот же Непал...
И дайте уже упокоение Люциферу, ну уже надоел.... он блин в чьих головах не был...теперь Джек котороый им даже одержим не был
Iradakzlv
Iradakzlv
18 Jul 2019, 02:39 #
Как на ровном месте сделать из персонажа злодея? Сценаристы спн умеем, практикуем. Мэри вообще не жаль, жалко только Джека. Из него делают злодея ,только потому, что под конец сезона не осталось злодея
Lyizenok
Lyizenok
09 Sep 2019, 10:21 #
Все серию создатели пытались выжать слёзы флэшбеками с Мэри, но лично у меня ни один мускул не дрогнул, рада, что её выпилили. Наконец-то, задолбала эта горе-мамаша, которая то любитобожает детей, но сваливает в закат с мужиком, то лезет с моралью к Джеку, который совсем еще ребёнок и неизвестно на что способен, надоеееела. Абсолютно плоский, ненужный, не интересный персонаж, надеюсь, её смерть Винчестеры все-таки простят Джеку. И надеюсь, что Джек случайно не воскресил Люцифера
kapiru_ururu
kapiru_ururu
30 Oct 2019, 01:10 #
тупой слив перса и зачееем
vk391697
vk391697
10 Nov 2019, 02:59 #
А куда Бобби 2.0 то пропал?! С сначала сезона его не видно.
Лангольер
Лангольер
06 Dec 2019, 01:52 #
Тю, ну раз тело теперь есть, то пусть Ровена бы попробовала. Ей же не хватало именно его. Или я упускаю какой-то нюанс?
ilpassetto
ilpassetto
PRO
13 Jan 2020, 02:57 #
Когда всё хорошо, то все молодцы: живут дружной семьёй, готовы постоять за своих, глаза на «первые звоночки» сознательно закрывают. Но стоит вдруг чему-то выйти из-под контроля, как (по мнению Дина) надо срочно начать обвинять ближнего, прежде чем обратить внимание на себя самого. Ужасная сцена в домике была. Печальная и несправедливая. Все прекрасно видели, что с мальчиком что-то происходит, но первый умолчал, второй свалил на плечи третьего, а третий решил сначала разобраться самостоятельно. В ходе всей этой халатности и случился несчастный случай, который к чертям собачьим разнёс весь дружный домик в щепки. Смерть Мэри меня не зацепила, а вот испорченные отношения между героями – это то, чего меньше всего хотелось бы увидеть в сериале, но, по всей видимости, именно с этим сценаристы теперь оттянутся дальше по полной программе. И счастья что-то не видать.. 😕
lictoria
lictoria
03 Apr 2020, 13:27 #
Немалую часть хронометража заняли флешбеки, усердно пытающиеся выдавить слезу и скорбь за ушедшей на Небеса Мери.
Только вот, думать надо было раньше, когда каких-либо эмоций по отношению к своим сыновьям ждали от самой Мери. Всегда воспринимала ее как просто Мери, а не как мать Винчестеров. Матери в ней не было. Возможно, дело не только в том, что она была бесполезной, а ещё и в том, что люди с другой вселенной, всё-таки чуточку другие люди. Дин молодец, обвинил во всем Каса. Браво, нашел козла отпущения. Почему-то была мысль, что хитрая ведьмочка приготовить другое зелье, чтобы каким-то образом подрезать крылышки мальчику, на время. Видно же было, что крыша у него поехала, а Ровена что? Видит же, что сам с собой разговаривает, агрессивный и готовый уничтожить все и вся... Можно было расставить приоритеты.
Слабоватая и предсказуемая серия, в которой 50% вода в виде каких-то "трогательных старых воспоминаний"...
OhneName
OhneName
09 Oct 2022, 01:22 #
@lictoria:
Возможно, дело не только в том, что она была бесполезной, а ещё и в том, что люди с другой вселенной, всё-таки чуточку другие люди
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Может, я уже успел забыть и перепутать, что там было во всей этой мешанине.
Но мне казалось, что Мэри не из другой вселенной, её воскресили в основной вселенной, а в параллельную она перемещалась временно.
all_lavender
all_lavender
25 Apr 2020, 04:36 #
Ох, ну это было ооочень жестоко
Вернуть братьям мать и снова забрать
Господиии 💔
AndrewProsky
AndrewProsky
27 Apr 2020, 17:45 #
zyyfff
zyyfff
PRO
28 Jul 2024, 06:25 #
@AndrewProsky: even here, her initials are apart from the initials of her sons 🫠
Grenada
Grenada
28 Jul 2024, 08:04 #
@zyyfff: It's not her side. They are always close to each other.
zyyfff
zyyfff
PRO
28 Jul 2024, 11:40 #
@Grenada: they're close, and she's not very close, apparently
AndrewProsky
AndrewProsky
27 Apr 2020, 17:51 #
Mary was forgotten for 10 seasons, then they remembered her, they did not give her a normal storyline, then she ran away from her brothers, then with the British, then in a cage, and in the end, a relationship with Bobby in general...
alsun
alsun
12 May 2020, 05:55 #
Did Rowena need a body for magic? Jack didn't manage to bring Mary back completely, but he collected the body. Why did Rowena have to burn it instead of trying again?
polnalyubvi1
polnalyubvi1
23 Mar 2021, 20:45 #
After all, they said that Jack returned only a shell, unable to hold on to life.
mister_birdman
mister_birdman
16 Jun 2020, 22:35 #
I feel sorry for Mary... They just returned it and it's gone...
Люся_Мазур
Люся_Мазур
06 Oct 2020, 01:42 #
I don't feel sorry for Mary either, I feel sorry for Jack and his relationship with his brothers, whom he considered family fathers. but who just let his problem go.
I understand that I'm a season behind in viewing, but I can't imagine a situation in which they forgive Jack for what he did, even though they themselves are, in fact, to blame for it.
and Dean is looking for the extremes again (typical Dean), blames Cas, but not himself.
I'm really surprised by their conversation with Sam and the fact that Dean admitted his guilt too.

I'm sorry about the boy. both as a character and as just an unwanted and unnecessary child...
Staro4ka
Staro4ka
18 Oct 2020, 13:13 #
Jack's "communication" with Lucy is a vivid example of how we wind ourselves up - we think that everything is bad, they won't understand us, they'll blame us, they'll make us suffer. And we drown ourselves in our own negative thoughts even more and make it worse ((poor Jack! It's hard for him in this world, and even without a soul, without socialization
SashaShire
SashaShire
12 Nov 2020, 22:52 #
After this episode and half an hour of crying, I wanted to go back to live in my hometown with my family. Season 14 is very cool. Sorry for Jack 's soul 💔 M.W.
Hey_Moroz
Hey_Moroz
27 Nov 2020, 22:36 #
Yeah. The Hard Drives quickly disowned Jack. So much for "family". They are only loyal to each other and are ready to justify only their own atrocities.
They left the guy to his fate, got bogged down in business, when it would have been better to stop for Jack. They are ready to fight only for each other. Soryan, Jack.
Fuck Castiel, they found me a babysitter too. It's a pity that Cas is so kind, I should have left..
And they would have already learned how to just let people go. Mary's arch has been frozen for a long time, all the time she was on the screen, she was running from her sons. And it's clear from whom Dean has such double standards.
Finally, I don't feel sorry for her, it was time to cut her out.
It's a shame for Jack..
Lihiominaa
Lihiominaa
16 Jan 2021, 23:37 #
Lucy has clearly settled in Jack's head. No wonder the voices started right after meeting him and killing Nick. It's all pretty suspicious. It seems to me that Lucifer is brainwashing the child. It would be a shame if not. I love Jack. And he deserves to be forgiven.
I'm sad
EyeOfTheRaven
EyeOfTheRaven
PRO
23 Mar 2021, 04:43 #
I envy those who still manage to cry on season 14, especially when the characters die/resurrect several times during the season or are at least on the verge of death...Mary's resurrection is the most idiotic comeback that's ever been on the show. That's what I used to think about Grandpa Campbell.
polnalyubvi1
polnalyubvi1
23 Mar 2021, 20:44 #
Mary didn't understand why you should go after Jack if you know how strong he is, especially since he's not okay. I would have been afraid to approach him, I really, really wanted to help him, but I think it was worth waiting a little while until he calmed down, and not getting into a hot hand. She didn't really like Persian after she came back from the dead, but I'm glad she's doing well with John in heaven now.
Lumen42
Lumen42
11 Feb 2022, 02:43 #
It's terribly annoying that they now consider Jack evil, even though they brought him back from the dead with help, and on the condition that Jack would not use his powers to avoid burning his soul. Yes, this guy is ready to do anything for you, even destroy his soul. And now it's going to be extreme. Although, in fact, the Hard Drives themselves are to blame again, who could not let Jack go when he died, and in fact put him in such conditions themselves. In general, they created problems for themselves again, and they also dragged others in, as usual.
Jack has been the brightest spot in the series for the last two seasons for me. He's angry that they're doing this to him.
deex_iv
deex_iv
21 Feb 2022, 01:19 #
Dean is as hysterical as ever. Nothing changes.
JeffMelroy
JeffMelroy
PRO
21 Mar 2022, 23:05 #
Mary was introduced to the series very strangely and brought out even more strangely. For me, if you kill such a character, it's like being in a bloodbath protecting your sons (as it was with Bobby earlier). And so Mary, one might say, died because she was in the wrong place at the wrong time, so it was possible to get under the bus, for example.
It's a pity for Dean and Sam, of course, there's no one you wouldn't wish to bury your mother twice.…
morningstarone
morningstarone
16 Apr 2022, 23:26 #
Sam who gushed the blood of a demon - well, Sam's period is like this
Dean, who tortured souls in hell and was a demon - well, Dean's period is like this
Dean's friend is a vampire - well, it doesn't happen to anyone, he's kind.
Crowley is the king of Hell, well, we became friends with
Ravenna, who soaked people in packs - well, sometimes she has such a period
Castiel-who lied to them several times and betrayed them, well, it happens, it's a period like that.


Jack, who killed Nick, but killed him somehow incorrectly, and everyone wanted him dead (apparently there is a right murder), accidentally blew up Mary in a fit of anger, from not understanding why he was suddenly accused of murder And from burning his soul to SAVE the Winchesters - a super villain who must be stopped


THE WINCHESTER BROTHERS ARE THE BIGGEST HYPOCRITES
Nick24
Nick24
24 Aug 2022, 15:27 #
FUCK YOU, Berens!

JACK, GET OFF MY SCREEN!!! GO AWAY, GO AWAY!
I know you won't leave, but I can't bear to look at you.
All these Lucifer hallucinations are just a brazen copy of what happened to Sam in season 7.

About the fact that Jack didn't ask for it back. I seem to have watched another TV series.
In episode 14.08, Jack himself agreed to return - Cas in Heaven told him about it and Jack himself agreed. And Jack knew what kind of magic it was.
Has Sam forgotten about this? And Behrens too? And many viewers?
So it was Jack's choice. He could have refused and said, "No, I don't want that." But he agreed. So it's impossible to blame anyone but Jack for this.

Cas.
He's responsible for not wanting to tell Dean and Sam about this. So he deserved to hear what he heard from Dean.
Especially considering that this feathered moron then began to justify himself and Jack. Dance on with a tambourine around your beloved Bambi Boy.

Sam, where did you put Jack on Cas? I think Cas pushed Jack onto Dean.
And let's not forget that Dean kept the archangel in his head for several weeks, he had enough problems of his own, but no one cared about Dean, he was directly obliged to play babysitter for Poor Baby Jackie Sue.
Nick24
Nick24
24 Aug 2022, 15:27 #
And, of course, again, Dean is the most wrong, evil, ugly, etc.....For what?! For expressing his emotions? For a moment, against the background of the fact that his mother died for the second time. Big deal, right?! Everyone is so used to Dean always having to shove his feelings away, so that God forbid he doesn't hurt someone else. Fuck you, Berens!

Mary and the flashbacks.
It's just great, everyone - Jack, Sam, Cas - got super-sweet flashbacks where Mary is just a saint with them, and she calls them heroes and comforts them, etc., etc.
Everyone except Dean. Not even a single WORD was said in his flashback.
Dean's best memory of Mary is when she sleeps on his shoulder. Great. In three seasons, Mary never said a single kind word to Dean.
Even here, where they made these flashbacks on purpose, they didn't even try a damn thing. Of course, why would Dubb/Behrens do that? They rather enjoyed hating Dean.

Fuck Dabb/Berens!
AlekseyG66
AlekseyG66
PRO
25 Aug 2022, 16:27 #
Mary was one of the most interesting characters introduced into the plot after season 10, and it's so easy to kill her. As far as I'm concerned, it's not entirely fair to merge the character in this way, it would be much more logical to kill her in some final battle or something.
fdasch_
fdasch_
PRO
26 Sep 2022, 13:20 #
I'm so sorry about Jack..
79Warrior
79Warrior
28 Nov 2022, 02:29 #
Jack doesn't have a soul, does he? So he can't feel anything, right? So why was he so mad at Mary at the end of the last episode? He shouldn't have cared.
Why did he want Mary back so badly? He shouldn't care.
But, of course, Dubb and the gang wanted to write this soulless game, but at the same time, so that their beloved holy underpersonage would remain holy so that even the halo would break through.
Mayer_E
Mayer_E
11 Jan 2023, 01:01 #
I don't think you should blame Cas at all.
The character of Lucifer-Nick is pretty tired, there's no way to get rid of him forever, and he's already appearing in galyuns.🤣
The brothers took it so easy that Jack killed Mary.
Mayer_E
Mayer_E
11 Jan 2023, 01:18 #
И я вообще не поняла почему Сэм притормозил Каса перед костром
Stilzchen
Stilzchen
04 Feb 2023, 18:12 #
Sorry about Mera's character. I haven't been in the story for long...
Foxander
Foxander
05 Feb 2023, 18:47 #
It's clear that the creators had no idea what to do with all these characters they had brought back. It's just an obvious handout, like, look, here's Mary, Charlie, Bobby, they've all been returned! And they don't know what to do with them. It feels like they brought in both old and new characters and had no idea what to do with them, so they decided to just scrap them all at once. Mary didn't fit into the plot, she was either with the guardians, then awol, then into another world, then to Bobby, and she didn't take root anywhere and wasn't useful, so they just threw her out. At the same time, she was such an empty character that she didn't even have enough flashbacks with her and had to shoot everything separately.
All the hunters who came from another world were killed in a bunch, Bobby went on vacation and disappeared at zero, he was no longer shown. Charlie convinced Sam to stay and hunt, and she was never seen again. The dark version of that girl from the "bad place" has also disappeared somewhere, and even her spear has not surrendered to anyone, either in the series or to herself, because she does not even try to find out where her property is. It was hinted that she purposefully wanted to kill Claire, and again they gave up on it. All the lines, of which three tons were piled up, were simply drained to nowhere. It would be better to just show how Sam and Dean raise Jack to be a good hunter and their adventures. I really don't need any global plot anymore, I'm more happy with fillers and I watch them with pleasure. And this branch, like the branch with Mikhail, is already annoying, I don't want to watch, I want something else to be shown faster.
Штатив
Штатив
29 Jul 2023, 10:17 #
@Foxander: fiercely positive)
angelZ
angelZ
10 Sep 2023, 00:27 #
@Foxander: the same thoughts. They just cut all the lines. Thank God they didn't leave my father.
And yes, it's only because of the fillers that I keep watching.
Grenada
Grenada
12 Feb 2023, 18:22 #
Uh. Is Mary doing necromancy without a body when Nick's corpse is lying in the hut next to her?!Well, tacoe…
SilvanaGillies
SilvanaGillies
20 Jul 2023, 14:33 #
I'm so sorry about Mary.. She didn't deserve this.
Штатив
Штатив
29 Jul 2023, 10:13 #
Which. Incompetent. Series.D and Mary's incompetently prescribed behavior in the last episode)
fb1313417
fb1313417
13 Oct 2023, 01:19 #
I'm so sorry for Mary, it's just a tearful episode. Rather, it's impossible to watch without tears. She didn't deserve this. The guys have really lived their whole lives without their mother, and I'm so sorry, but they stupidly killed her, rather incinerated her. I didn't deserve this, I wonder how the guys are going to hunt Jack now, what are they going to do? But one thing I can't understand is why Mary went to Jack, she knew that he was very powerful, and she was even more afraid of him, and then she started running. Somehow it was stupidly leaked...
Sofistka
Sofistka
22 Oct 2023, 14:38 #
Mary's death is sad not because of the fact of the character's death itself, but because of its effect on the brothers. It is inexpressibly sad that they have lost their mother again. Their pain is palpable and tangible.
And apparently, Mary had to die so that at least some warmth could be seen in her. I won't say that you believe it, you perceive it more as embellishment, but it's better than what it was. I hope Dean got a couple of encouraging words of love behind the scenes, too, and not just falling asleep on his shoulder).
I liked Sam's support. He was more sensitive to Cas, surreptitiously patted his brother on the shoulder and allowed him to live the grief in the best way for him. He knows that Dean is not ready to listen to words of sympathy and support right now, that Cas will only make the loss worse, so it's better to leave him alone for a while.
katastrophe
katastrophe
26 Oct 2023, 00:39 #
The first part of the episode was really cool, when Dean and Sam still didn't know for sure that Mary was dead. It's a tense wait, a search, nerves. But Dean has a good sense, she didn't let him down this time either, he immediately behaved as if Mary had died, immediately understood everything. It was a terrifying scene when they found Nick's corpse and the charred earth.

I think Cas is wrong to blame himself so much, and so are the Hard Drives. It was inevitable, and it wasn't anyone's fault that it happened, except Mary, who decided it would be a good idea to continue annoying the unstable nephilim. I'm betting that Jack's soul is actually there. The same thing happened to the guard at the beginning of his story arc.

It's a very strange season: several times I thought I knew what the whole season was going to be about (first with Mikhail, then with the resurrection of Lucie, then with Emptiness) and every time they deceived me. I'm intrigued by what's going to happen in the finale)
AnnaPool
AnnaPool
22 Aug 2024, 10:22 #
I didn't feel anything about Mary's death, I was infuriated only from the day of resurrection. Mb I'm heartless.
I only feel sorry for Jack, I think he's not to blame, as always, the whole mess is the fault of the brothers. Why was he resurrected, xs.
Now they will still think about how to kill him back🥴
Dark_Spawn
Dark_Spawn
06 Oct 2024, 20:19 #
When Mary sacrificed herself at the end of season 12 to push Lucifer into another world, it was beautiful. It would be better to leave it there.
And now ...Well, she died and died. I didn't do anything useful anyway. I'm just sorry for Jack.
aziza_funky
aziza_funky
10 Jan 15:38 #
I was sick of the moment when Mary screamed Jack Jack, when she saw that something was wrong with him. For a second, I thought it would accidentally kill her
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