s03e12 — Return to Seclusion
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| Duration: | 25 min. |
| Released: | 16.10.202116.10.2021 07:00 |
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| Duration: | 25 min. |
| Released: | 16.10.202116.10.2021 07:00 |
| Watched by: | 5 06241.2% |
Discussion of the 12 episode of the 3 season Discuss this episode
68"When the story is over, we will read it again with our eyes closed."
I still have to read the novel, and look at the drama, because Jiang Chen has sunk into my heart, and I don't want to believe that he is like that 💔
what can I say ... although I am completely dissatisfied with the stripped—down, hasty and sometimes confused plot of this season (and the first two can generally be considered the standard of the Chinese film adaptation, even with censorship), as well as the presentation of many twists (the core of Wei ying, the past of ah yuan); BUT the Wangxiang relationship in these 12 episodes was amazing. How many smiles did Lan Zhan give us? yes, what are the episodes with lan pyan and donning red clothes in the cave worth ... and the drawing and animation were still wonderful, so I forgive everything
perhaps these are the quibbles of a person who reads the original source and considers it a wonderful story in its logic, so it will be interesting to hear how others who are not familiar with all this perceived this season.
I lost it with Xi Chen, who abruptly appeared and began unobtrusively closing a plot hole like "hello, this remark should have been provoked by the confession that you wholeheartedly wanted to sleep with my brother, which you yelled at the whole temple during a tense denouement, but everything was cut out here because of censorship Fuck it, so listen like this."
I'm angry because of the aimlessly rearranged scenes, now Jin Ling's attitude towards Wei Ying is not clear.
I am VERY pleasantly surprised that the censors missed the comparison with Wei Ying's parents in the scene with the donkey. "and here's our little bit":3 hugs of Lan Zhan, Wei Ying and Si Zhui - ♡
1. tough OOS, the uncanonical actions of the heroes are very striking (Jiang Chen, who abandoned Jin Ling, the only one he had left, to sort out the affairs of two orders instead of canonical help and support; lan Zhan insulted Jiang Chen (who is dear to Wei ying(!!)) knocking off his headdress; Wei Ying himself, who left Jiang Chen without saying a word)
gg is generally a sore subject. in the novel and Donghua are perceived in completely different ways
2. Aimlessly rearranged scenes. these changes did not achieve anything good, they only broke the logic of the narrative and created a lot of problems: there is no way to see how the characters' attitude to each other has changed; the scenes do not work as they should (for example, the story about Lan Zhan's scars); while in the novel the events are spaced far apart in time, a minute will pass in Donghua and lan Zhan and Wei Ying go to steal chickens right after an emotionally difficult scene with the core.... mhh
it is a pity for the huge and high-quality work of all the people involved in the visual and sound components, because of the script, it is impossible to perceive donghua as a separate product.
Everything is fine: both the drawing and the cool, visually interesting to watch, but... I have questions for the screenwriters about the chronology of events, torn pieces from the narrative and periodically rapidly changing events. A person who does not know the original of the novel will not understand a damn thing this season :D
Well, at least thank you that the ending is the same: they went into the sunset and improved happily ever after :D
Oh, I'll miss you ❤
I'm not familiar with the original source, so I had to constantly pause and climb to read the comments in order to somehow figure out what was happening :')
so many things were crammed into these unfortunate 12 episodes, it looks like it was possible to stretch the plot for two more seasons
and probably it would be better to stretch (I would even calmly wait a few years)
But even so, this season has been great, and I have a novel ahead of me.
Anyway, 3 years of acquaintance with this story have come to an end. It's time to say goodbye, but I don't want to at all 😭 I love the story of the Master Master with all its flaws, twists and turns, sorrows and joys! Thank you for being there! 🥰
Shh, people who haven't read the novel will probably hate this Jiang Chen (I love this proud bun, no matter what, and of course I'm offended for him along with everyone(
Lan Xichen was waiting under the door and listening? :D
Okay, it was sad and wonderful, I love this story with all my heart and soul, I love Wangxiang, I adore Lan Wangzi, I'm going to reread the novel on the shelf.;
In my case, I looked at it as it is. Here we were shown a man who could not cope with his emotions. The traumas of childhood and the trauma of loss. However, there is a scene where they show us how he runs away from / to the van. It's not entirely clear. Did he run out of revenge or did he run to save Wei Ying to distract them? If so, then it changes the attitude towards the character, and he becomes more sorry. But the fact of his emotions and weakness does not go away at the same time, anyway.
Considering that there is a Buddhist context here. Anger is one of the 3 root poisons that darken the mind and lead to suffering. This was shown by the example of Jiang Chen.
And yes, Jiang Chen in Donghua and in the novel evokes completely different emotions, I speak like a person who first watched and only then read the novel. It was only after reading the original source that I felt unbearably sorry for him
I liked the ending, but still, like many people here, I agree that it would be better to keep the sequence of scenes, because when watching this episode, I got the impression that we were just given a set of sketches of what we had forgotten along the way throughout the season. Plus, I didn't like that it wasn't Huaisan, as if he had been exposed as the main villain, such a gray marginal who sought to gain power and got it. Jiang Chen was also not satisfied with the move, given that for him the most important thing in the novel was Ah-Lin. But we were given full baths, despite the censorship. And as much as I love these two, I would prefer a narrative with the same level of fanservice as in the first two seasons, rather than watching the Wangs with a chopped-up story. Although this season has some well-played new/old scenes in store.
In short, the season didn't come out unambiguously, but I'm glad anyway. I love this story, and it's sad to say goodbye to it.
, the MDK will always remain in my heart.
What can I say, yes, we didn't see a lot of things, we cut everything down, but despite everything, the atmosphere and warmth have been preserved, the relationship between the characters is very subtly shown, and the fact that people always have both positive and negative sides..in general, no matter what anyone says, I'm sure that everyone who watched it has never regretted it!
And now this title has a place in my heart) 💘
By the way, I'm holding my fists, because season 4 has been announced for the fall of 2022, but I'm afraid that Lan and Usyan won't be shown to us, but I'll still wait 100%.
If someone thinks to watch or not, WATCH IT UNEQUIVOCALLY, even if you haven't read anything before, because I was also intimidated that everything was completely unclear, but by episode 3 I figured it out, and even after watching season 1, I duplicated watching the first two episodes to refresh my memory and better understand who is where. It was definitely definitely worth it!
yes, not exactly according to the original, yes, something was cut, but my husband, as a person "from the street", was not impressed ruined it, he appreciated it very much) I think that's the main thing) that the average person was happy to watch, and the one who was very hooked also went to read it) that is, even more people learned about such a wonderful novel)
peace be upon you :)
They specifically left out the conversation about Lan Zhan's punishment, Wangxiang's drunken walks, the moment with the tree at the lotus pier and crammed it all into one episode like a filler. And that would be fine, but the situation with Jiang Chen is too much. They messed up the character's character when his arc (and with Wei Ying) is normally completed in the original. They also blamed Jin Ling for everything. then it would be better not to add a conversation about the core at all than this.
It would have been a wonderful season if it hadn't been for that "cherry on the cake" in the last episode. an unpleasant aftertaste remained
God they really left it AAAAAAA
But seriously, there were 2 things that disappointed me.
The scene where Jiang Cheng tells Wei Wuxian everything that was on his mind in front of everyone in the temple, cries, and then Wei Ying apologizes to him, turned into a simple monologue. It is not clear why the scriptwriters dislike Jiang Chen so much.🥲
I really liked how it was revealed at the end of the novel that the main puppeteer was not Huaisang. It describes in detail how he came to this, how he turned everything around. Why did Donghua devote so little time to this? I didn't even notice at first that all the cards had already been laid out on the table without connecting the logical chains. They say, yes, Huaisan organized it, live with it.
But in general, despite the strict Chinese censorship, the title turned out to be just wonderful. Although almost half of the entire plot was cut out for the sake of timing, the overall picture turned out to be high-quality and understandable.
It was really nice to see your favorite story come to life on the screen.🤍
And do I understand correctly that it wasn't Huaxing who told Mo to resurrect Wei Wuxian, and that he was the one who studied? And who gave the main characters hints all the way?
Nie Huaisang was only able to find one of his big bro's hands, and he comes up with a plan (with finding the rest of the body parts and exposing (and killing) the killer). And it was he who gave the hints.
Yes, he was the one who encouraged Mo to resurrect Wei Wuxian.
I didn't understand about "learning". Do you mean in the Goose? That's where Wei Wuxian himself studied
From the comments, and from Donghua, it is clear that the scene should be rearranged, well, that's where Jin Ling, who was with Jian Chen, suddenly disappeared.. I'm still angry that there wasn't a normal conversation...
Married people are happy. Oh, and their cuddling with Szizhui and censorship.. 1:0😉
When I started watching, I didn't even think it would be so cool, and I didn't watch genres (well, why, if there are married people fighting censorship?), this donghua surpassed all expectations🤧
It feels good and it hurts!! Definitely the best work of all I've watched, and I'll definitely read the novel and Manhua based on them (and I've almost watched the Chibi version)
100,500 wangxiangs out of 100
why was the truth about the Core revealed AFTER the temple? Without this truth, what is the point of Jiang Chen dragging Chen Qing with him and generally helping/believing Wei Ying?
Why was Jiang Chen sent into seclusion, even though two clans were thrown at Qin Ling and Lan Xi Chen actually left?
The drama is better, but the novel is perfect.
Реклама мороженого здесь, как отдельный вид мемо-искусства👍
Китайские подобные проекты, видимо имеют место быть и для меня, правда ощущения всё равно остались те же: "я не любитель данной тематики, как визуальной так и звуковой, даже притом что мне всё +- понравилось"
Понятное дело, что моменты многие порезаны в угоду цензуры. Но тем не менее грустно это было.
Однако, увидеть милые моменты «живыми» было слишком круто. Все равно находишь в каждом варианте что-то свое ✨
Цзянь Чэн 💔😭 разбивают мне сердце моментами с Цзянь Чэном 💔
Реакция Цзянь Чэна на рану Вэй Ина..
"Почему я смог?" 💔
"Ты же сказал что когда я стану главой ордена, ты станешь подчиненным.." 💔💔
Яблочко хотел яблочко)))
Грустно, что было мало Цзянь Чэна 💔
Печально прощаться, но было красиво и интересно. Теперь хочется ознакомиться с новеллой.
🍶🫱🏻🫲🏼🌊🐔🪶🌳🌰🗡🎨🍃
Throughout all two seasons, I read that "and in the novel it was better!"
Of course, I will not argue with this, because I have not read the novel. Therefore, my opinion is based only on donghua.
I had no problems understanding the characters (who is who). Fortunately, there is Google, where you can type in the name and see the appearance of the character. And by the middle of the first season, it was generally possible to remember all the main characters, which further greatly simplified the understanding of what was happening.
There have never been any problems with understanding the time frame shown in the series either. It was clearly clear who it was and when.
I read comments about some events of the novel that were not reflected in the series and about what emotions and thoughts this caused the commentator, and here's what I want to say: without knowing the original source, I experienced exactly the same emotions from donghua that the commentators described.
I DEFINITELY really liked this donghua. These characters have sunk into the very depths of my heart. I did not think that I would love every image described in this work so much.
What didn't you like: the crumpled second half of season 3. It just felt like they were trying to make it. The events were explained feverishly and very head-on.
But this did not spoil the overall impression of the title.
(it's also a pity that they never revealed how Wei Wuxian died :((()
Thanks for the conditional happy ending - when Wei Wuxian started coughing up blood, I was already preparing to eat tons of glass. But no. They are together <3
I am considering this work in isolation from the original source, and I can say one thing: it is very good. A great job has been done.
Thanks to everyone involved.
Well, how can we say that a great job has been done " in isolation from the original source "? They would just say that it is a good danhua, because, considering that this is still a film adaptation, the work is disgusting, but as a separate work, well, the norms are (although the latter is already delicious, yes)
It's very easy and you can talk.
What was the original source - a short story or an original plot embedded in donghua - it doesn't matter to me.
Because the very fact of creating this animated title is already a job done for me.
I said exactly what I think is necessary.
Your opinion that the work done is disgusting has the right to life, but it can have nothing to do with my opinion)
Thank you for your attention)
Jiang Chen got what he deserved, the Wangxiang family reunion, everything is beautiful and nothing hurts
Oh, I wish I had a Lan Zhan who loved and protected me no matter what 🥰💞
Everyone wrote in the comments all the time that they were confused, well, I don't know, if you look closely, everything is clear, sometimes the truth comes through time. I forgot the names like everything, but I just Googled and looked at the picture, at the face to understand who I was talking about. But by the end it's not necessary.
Drunk Lan Zhang is in my heart, I really understand him. It was only with alcohol that he was able to relax and do all sorts of stuff. It seems to me that when he fell asleep, it was the inner child who woke up. 😂
It's hard to touch me, but the author of the works is something with something. I looked at donghui about the celestials, there are also such poignant stories.
The "grayness" is very clearly felt, that is, there is no absolute evil and absolute good. No matter who you are, God or man, you cannot be sure that one event can change all your principles forever.
For me, the sign of a good work is that you start to empathize with everyone. Well, except for the Order of the sun (I forgot the name), the writer made them exceptionally evil)) but in general, there is so much pain in the stories.
In short, I really liked it! I just started watching something like this and these are my first donghua, I just trusted the comments here in this app))) I'll leave my opinion as well
And Wei Ying got all the problems precisely because he refused to change his principles. Xie Lian is one of the Celestials, too, by the way, he, of course, has matured and understood something, but he has not betrayed his principles. But you don't know that, because the two seasons that exist are only the first volume of five, and there haven't been any really poignant stories yet, and you don't know anything worthwhile about the characters yet.
If anything, I've only been watching anime (any kind) for 2 weeks.
Nebozhizha is difficult, but more innocent.
Although, what am I talking about, the Mossians don't have simple plots and characters😅
And psst, it's not an anime.