s08e23 — Sacrifice

Supernatural — s08e23 — Sacrifice

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Duration: 43 min.
Released: 15.05.201316.05.2013 05:00
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8 season
s08e23
s08e19 - Taxi Driver
s08e20 - Pac-Man Fever
s08e21 - The Great Escapist
s08e22 - Clip Show
s08e23 - Sacrifice
s09e01 - I Think I'm Gonna Like It Here
s09e02 - Devil May Care
s09e03 - I'm No Angel
s09e04 - Slumber Party

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Рынха
Рынха
24 Dec 2014, 01:08 #
One of my favorite episodes. Active promotion of gays to the masses, Cas, Crowley, who suddenly became cute, Dean and Sam. And this bright fireworks display at the end.
It's just a voucher.
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Lord_General
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28 Jan 2015, 17:49 #
Metatron is such an asshole...
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Mad_Captain
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04 Apr 2015, 18:17 #
The fall of the angels is simply beautiful.......... *-*
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uniqorned
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05 May 2015, 18:48 #
so fascinatingly beautifully done *___*
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Kihoth
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26 May 2015, 16:53 #
How glad I am that I watched the season not in onboarding and I can immediately proceed to the next one) A fascinating finale and a cool cliffhanger.
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Chanterelle
Chanterelle
06 Jun 2015, 23:56 #
A great season finale!
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wh1te_dreams
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09 Jun 2015, 10:00 #
Pyaterochka
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Lol_roll
Lol_roll
05 Jul 2015, 20:48 #
I watched 8 seasons in Ukrainian translation. The 9th and 10th have not yet been transferred. So this is the last episode in your favorite voice acting and one of the most beautiful :
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maryforestmak
maryforestmak
15 Jul 2015, 08:04 #
An amazing series. The last few minutes are just goosebumps.
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wicked_dandelion
wicked_dandelion
31 Jul 2015, 19:25 #
Metatron is such a bastard....rrr

And Crowley even felt sorry towards the end.
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juliakey
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11 Aug 2015, 16:01 #
They say the supers are blown away. She returned to the series 2 years later. maybe I missed you, or maybe something else, but... It's a good season! in the best traditions of the supernatural)
you probably just get tired of watching 8 (and 9 and 10 more) seasons, how they die, rise, rise, etc. But the series itself is a thing)
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juliakey
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11 Aug 2015, 16:01 #
surprisingly small number of comments. apparently, a lot of people stopped watching the movie) It's better. no butthert
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Rainbow_Pie
Rainbow_Pie
12 Nov 2017, 02:26 #
@juliakey: The mayshous website appeared in 2009 only, and the series in 2005, maybe that's why there are so few comments. And on the site I'm looking at now, there are 200 to 400 comments for each episode.
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juliakey
juliakey
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09 Oct 2018, 23:21 #
@Rainbow_Pie: well, in 2015 they already commented on being healthy) however, I can hardly handle a hundred comments, it's good that myshous is not so popular)))
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Squad
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23 Nov 2020, 17:35 #
@Rainbow_Pie: what kind of site, can you tell me?
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Татьяна96
Татьяна96
25 Aug 2015, 22:20 #
- I'm here to have serious conversations, not to measure pussy.

Crowley, damn it XD
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Bropossum
Bropossum
17 Sep 2015, 00:39 #
The series is in the spirit of the first seasons, but decorated unlike them with other characters and incredible pictures. Yes, I sometimes missed simple hunts, but this season it was not so noticeable. Fine and wonderful, we look further with a misunderstanding of how it was possible to stop watching the super...
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Anachoos
Anachoos
19 Sep 2015, 17:00 #
The only end of the season after which you can go to bed with a clear conscience, and not quickly turn on the next season. No "dead" brothers for you, no crazy Cas and all that. But I liked the series, very much.
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vph
vph
22 Sep 2015, 15:48 #
Can someone please explain to me why they let Sammy live? No, well, I understand, brotherly love, all things, it turned out to be touching, really, but is Sam's life worth the losses that will certainly be if you leave the gates of Hell open? I feel that I was watching inattentively, apparently, and missed something, but I can't figure out what exactly, please help:3
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juliakey
juliakey
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24 Sep 2015, 15:56 #
@vph: it's very simple) It's Supernatural)
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shei350
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20 Feb 2019, 17:33 #
@vph: also surprising. They had both died and returned more than once, why did they get nervous here?
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vph
vph
24 Feb 2019, 02:00 #
@shei350: I have no idea, the fourth year of the comment is still :)
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vk769131
vk769131
12 Jan 2020, 03:59 #
@vph: you can't ruin the balance) There is no good without evil, just as there is no day without night
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bryack
bryack
29 Dec 2015, 19:22 #
Great season! I'm absolutely thrilled! I can't even remember why I stopped watching the series a couple of years ago! The completion is generally beyond praise. And now... there are still a couple and a half seasons ahead :) Paaa-eehali!
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angelZ
angelZ
31 Oct 2021, 00:06 #
@bryack: a couple and a half))))))))
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riapush
riapush
01 Mar 2016, 15:17 #
- What's going on?
- angels. They're falling.
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riapush
riapush
01 Mar 2016, 15:18 #
@riapush: An incredibly powerful ending!
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Moortini
Moortini
27 Nov 2016, 21:27 #
what a touching monologue Dean had, at the end of the series
eh, brotherly love
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okaycurly
okaycurly
28 Nov 2016, 00:20 #
@Moortini: It's too touching a moment
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id311448354
id311448354
10 Mar 2017, 16:58 #
I've never stopped watching Blogs, like many of the comments, and probably never will. A very interesting season and a wonderful ending! At the end, she even burst into tears, a very touching scene with the brothers.
And Metatron is a bastard , no wonder I didn 't like him from the very beginning XD
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Iceberg_Ogneva
Iceberg_Ogneva
08 May 2017, 15:45 #
So much work, but almost in vain...
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id6344265
id6344265
03 Jun 2017, 01:16 #
Maybe Crowley will still be affected by the blood and he will become a pussy, not completely, but a pussy?
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ChristinaSilver
ChristinaSilver
29 Jul 2017, 12:35 #
The ending is just awesome. It's a very beautiful moment when Cas looks up at the sky and sees angels falling.
The season is very strong.
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id397779360
id397779360
09 Aug 2017, 19:52 #
Dear Crowley is funny.
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Iamfdrvv
Iamfdrvv
16 Dec 2017, 20:16 #
What kind of scum is Metatron
The scene with the brothers is simple 😍
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KristinaBudanova
KristinaBudanova
01 Feb 2018, 00:53 #
Dean :
To be blunt, you're our bitch.😂
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KristinaBudanova
KristinaBudanova
01 Feb 2018, 00:53 #
Rudely*
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sm0ke13
sm0ke13
26 Dec 2018, 01:19 #
I watched the season just in one go. I really liked the ending
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Алёнка1990
Алёнка1990
22 Apr 2019, 18:06 #
This is the most gorgeous ending for me. There are simply no words to describe the emotions: how thoughtful, beautiful, "delicious" the last scene was shot!!! The music is chosen amazingly, just goosebumps.

And here's another thing. I'll just leave it here.:
"I want to ask you a favor... Sam... Tell me, when you confessed over there, what did you confess?... I'm curious, because with my biography, the question arises: where do I even begin to seek forgiveness for myself?"
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Neznakomka_Kau
Neznakomka_Kau
08 May 2019, 06:47 #
What the hell is wrong with you Winchesters? So many went to the goal, so many victims... And all for what? Dean's heartwarming speech at the end?
This is a failure.
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Anitne
Anitne
14 Sep 2019, 21:43 #
@Neznakomka_Kau: Yeah, that's what prevented them from healing Crowley, making him human and just not reading the spell that ended each trial? Two birds with one stone , etc .
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царь_цапок
царь_цапок
11 Jun 2019, 22:40 #
I love the moment when Sammy says: You are the third test. It turned out well. And the angelfall at the end to the music is incomparable, even if what is happening is not the best event.
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ilpassetto
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25 Oct 2019, 04:59 #
What a mesmerizing sight at the very end..🌠🌠🌠
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lithiumks
lithiumks
31 Oct 2019, 20:09 #
And I understand why Dean didn't want Sam dead. Still, it's really not very fair that they should sacrifice everything for the sake of people who don't always deserve it. They've already lost too many people to be without each other. Let someone else close the gates of hell)) Who has nothing to lose..
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GormanShu
GormanShu
29 Nov 2019, 13:34 #
I did not think that I would live to see this, but 8 years later, after the leadership of Kripke and Gamble, Jeremy Carver makes just an amazing picture. It seems that the studio that makes special effects for Supermen has watched something more than "Superman" 78. The finale is magnificent according to all the canons of the genre... Brilliant, my goodness!
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ChandlerLi
ChandlerLi
04 Jan 2020, 20:35 #
I got goosebumps at the end. The ending is impressive 😍
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mrOrgg
mrOrgg
09 Jan 2020, 02:15 #
I decided to watch it until the Third World War began!
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mashnya
mashnya
09 Dec 2022, 21:39 #
Dude, you knew....
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vk769131
vk769131
12 Jan 2020, 04:06 #
It's cool to start watching the series when it's almost all out) I watched it on TV at school, but at the end of December I decided to take a full look, since season 15 is final) and voila week 3 and I finalized season 8)
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Naitoki
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20 Jan 2020, 03:04 #
Damn, it's just tearing up from this episode. And this contrast with the jokes and this ending. I just don't have the words. Aaaa
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AndrewProsky
AndrewProsky
01 Mar 2020, 15:55 #
The season is much better 7
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AndrewProsky
AndrewProsky
01 Mar 2020, 15:55 #
A gorgeous ending
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Xentin
Xentin
24 Apr 2020, 10:21 #
*screeching and sobbing of the Vincesta schipper*

The end of the episode made me cry, but it was awesome. It's good that I'm watching the series just now and I don't have to wait, huh, otherwise I'd probably go crazy.
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Imwhoim
Imwhoim
06 May 2020, 04:11 #
Touching conversation of the brothers, the fall of the angels, Cas's deprivation of grace — the season finale is fire - fire straight🔥
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fb1031280
fb1031280
26 May 2020, 17:07 #
If you only knew how many times this series has been played
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lara_matilainien
lara_matilainien
23 Jul 2020, 20:29 #
Crowley shouting that he deserves to be loved broke my heart.
and then the finale finished me off.
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SashaShire
SashaShire
04 Oct 2020, 14:45 #
One of the best seasons compared to the previous ones. Cas 's resistance to Naomi 's influence is very exciting , the restoration of friendship between the brothers and the charming Charlie
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misspolli
misspolli
18 Oct 2020, 20:06 #
The best ending, if you choose from all the previous seasons, the fall of the angels is fascinating!
I ran away to download the next season!
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sanaeva
sanaeva
07 Dec 2020, 02:22 #
This is the heat
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miss_katya_white
miss_katya_white
07 Dec 2020, 22:16 #
Of course I agree that Crowley is a scum, but I didn't want them to heal him so much) I love him😍 a wonderful antagonist
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polnalyubvi1
polnalyubvi1
17 Dec 2020, 15:53 #
The season is just fire! 🔥 if you compare with the previous 6.7 seasons, this season is just a cannon🥵 Crowley's words that he deserves love, damn, I was touched💔 The ending is just something really supernatural😍😍😍💔 falling angels, my God, how beautiful it is!
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alexthymia
alexthymia
02 Jan 2021, 07:37 #
Metatron is such filth, I just want to kick him.
And the last scene... She is both so mesmerizing and so frightening... It's even scary to imagine what awaits next. I'm looking at it for the first time, because I've forgotten about it in 5 years
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Defna
Defna
12 Jan 2021, 22:58 #
A thought flashed at the end of the episode:
"Oh my God! What's going to happen now?!!!" Watching angels falling from heaven is a very sad sight, though fascinating. Angels in this series are more often shown not as people imagine them to be. But to see them fall is like the end of something divine and pure. As if well, that's it (((
As for Crowley, this is the most controversial personality of this series) He always deceives everyone and stupidly gets caught himself))) I love his surprised face when his brothers find justice for him))) A real artist)))
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braundero
braundero
24 Jan 2021, 20:18 #
This series is very beautiful.
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nalia159
nalia159
01 Feb 2021, 00:03 #
Although they say that the second arch of the series is the most terrible (I agree that season 7 is terrible), but it gave us such cool characters as Charlie, Benny, Garth, Kevin Tren (studying in an advanced program). And as for this episode, I quite agree with Dean. They are not the only ones who have to sacrifice everything, but then Kevin's efforts are in vain?
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Beezy21
Beezy21
05 Feb 2021, 03:00 #
A surprisingly decent season, the first after the 5th😱
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SantaJul
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07 Feb 2021, 03:12 #
That's a great ending. The season started extremely badly, I watched it through the force, but somewhere after episode 6 it began to gain momentum. I'm glad that this time no one went to hell /purgatory/cage, etc.; And I also hope that this is the final reconciliation of the brothers, it's been a few seasons since all this hard work between them has been boring. Well, the tie for next season is not bad.
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Avgustina15
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26 Feb 2021, 04:07 #
The number of the word "Moose" is off the scale, or I have such a funny translation 😂😂😂 Crowley is everywhere moose, moose, etc
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Гамулятор
Гамулятор
19 Oct 2023, 22:06 #
@Avgustina15: this is how he is constantly called moose in the original (moose, mosie, etc.)
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dowhatyoulove13
dowhatyoulove13
01 Mar 2021, 20:21 #
Sammy and Crowley's interaction is incredibly beautiful. Crowley's words seemed sincere.
A dialogue between Sammy and Dean... Beloved brothers)
The fall of the angels is very fascinating ...
in general, 5/5
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Katara_98_Katara
Katara_98_Katara
10 Apr 2021, 19:38 #
I don't understand why everyone likes the ending so much. Dean has some kind of double standards. When Crowley took over Kevin's mother, killing her to kill Crowley too is a justified sacrifice. When Sam agreed to sacrifice himself by bending Lucifer into a cage, everyone also agreed that this was a necessary measure. But Sammy's death in order to close hell, completely and forever, 5 minutes before victory, then no, it's too big a sacrifice, let's look for another way, because now we know how to kill hell dogs and return one soul from hell at the cost of several other lives. Dean's monologue is just mega unconvincing. They're not immortal, well, they'll kill another hundred demons, two, three. After the death of the Winchesters, the demons will not go anywhere and will continue to kill people and do all sorts of crap.
And basically they are so surprised that Sam has to die at the end of the trials. I don't understand why. When Dick was killed, Dean and Cas were thrown into purgatory. Since the beginning of the tests, Sam has been coughing up his lungs slowly but surely. Isn't it obvious that there won't be a happy ending for Sam at the end of all the trials. They understood this from the very beginning and Dean wanted to take the tests instead of Sam in order to save him. And then once and "Is Sam going to die?? It's kind of unexpected."
And what about Kevin? He lost everything and for what?
I feel sorry for the angels, yes.
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DenisBelashov
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29 May 2021, 20:44 #
The series is gorgeous. There was so much going on. The ending is enchanting. Metatron turned out to be a villain after all. I take it there are no more angels left? What about Metatron? Did the spell have any effect on him?

It's not clear why Dean didn't let Sam finish healing Crowley. After all, he knew how it could end, and even told Sam about it when he planned to take the tests himself. Naomi only confirmed his fears. Plus, Crowley's healing itself is just a test. That is, the gates of hell would not have closed automatically. If I'm not mistaken, Kevin said that the very closing of the gates of hell is a spell that must be performed after passing three tests. Well, at least Crowley would have been cured.
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dnkrs
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23 Jul 2021, 14:43 #
What a beautiful, suspenseful, atmospheric, mesmerizing ending it was... I just can't find the words
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vafinskaya
vafinskaya
26 Sep 2021, 23:05 #
It's a very beautiful sight, falling angels.
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CaribaFiesta
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29 Oct 2021, 16:13 #
They've been running around with tablets all season, like a chicken with an egg, and for what?! In order to screw up everything in the final, a few minutes before the implementation of this plan. So many people have been killed. This poor Kevin suffered, and it turns out to be empty?
Well, wasn't it clear at the very beginning that you couldn't get out of such a test alive? But Hard drives are actually no stranger to it. Just unkillable.
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Hunter_Number23
Hunter_Number23
04 Jan 2022, 08:48 #
It's a twofold feeling, like a beautiful season finale, but in fact all the actions with the tablets and trials, all the torments of Sam and Kevin, all this essentially meant nothing and was merged. Metatron was very intrigued, he was sitting in his reservation, reading books, and then bam and set about expelling all the angels by turning a multi-pass through the Casa. For the latter, it is especially insulting, from season to season, everyone uses it and wipes their feet on it, which eventually leads to another worldwide disaster.
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DanaDubetskaya
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11 Apr 2022, 23:34 #
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Dexter33
Dexter33
26 May 2022, 20:20 #
Castiel asks if it's wise to drink at work, to which Dean replies: "What series are you watching?" 😆
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Nick24
Nick24
21 Jun 2022, 18:55 #
The series might have been good and even beautiful thanks to the special effects, but Sam's speech ruined everything.
''What happens when you've decided I can't be trusted again? "So it wasn't Sam who did who knows what all season 8 and committed acts that undermine trust, is it Dean's fault that he couldn't trust Sam? Class.

'' I mean, who are you gonna turn to next time instead of me? Another angel, another -- another vampire?" Seriously? The vampire you ruined everything for, didn't you, Sam? Who let Dean kill himself to save your ass. An angel? Yes, in the last episode you asked Dean to take it easy on Cas, and now what?

In general, the thing is that imho Sam treats Dean like a dog, I want to throw him out when I'm tired, I want to take him back when I need something, But at the same time he should belong only to him. And he has no right to have anyone outside of Sam.

My favorite: "'Do you have any idea what it feels like to watch your brother just.'" Oh, Dean knows perfectly well. Do you remember how you beat your brother half to death and chose a demon? Do you remember how, instead of looking for him (and Kevin), you hung out with Amelia and then behaved like the last bastard towards Dean, who needed help adapting for a minute. How did you try to kill his friend?

Oh and yes, mind you, Sam made the decision to give up the test himself. Dean asked, but the final choice was Sam's.
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Nick24
Nick24
22 Jun 2022, 03:21 #
About the season as a whole. The first half was pretty good - flashbacks from Purgatory, Dean's PTSD, Dean and Benny's friendship. Of course, there was the unbearable Sam and his boring flashbacks with Amelia, but what to do. The series As Time Goes By and Everybody Hates Hitler were also worthy.

But God, what happened next. As soon as the trials were given to Sam, the season was lost. Another round of What's wrong with Sam? Dean was turned into a nurse.
Regarding some episodes, the question arose as to how they got the green light at all.

The scenario level for the second half of this season is one of the worst in S1-11. Not such a nightmare as the S12-15, of course, but still. I have no idea what happened to Carver here, considering how well he started the season.
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79Warrior
79Warrior
22 Sep 2022, 00:44 #
@Nick24: A Twitter crowd happened to Carver, for whom either "codependency" or "nothing" happened, so instead of telling his story, he started playing a fan service.
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OlgaI
OlgaI
30 Jun 2022, 09:39 #
Abaddon has an inscription on her T-shirt- The Devil made me do it😈
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Гамулятор
Гамулятор
19 Oct 2023, 22:08 #
@OlgaI: she stole this T-shirt from a dead or shop assistant.
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13freiheit
13freiheit
17 Jul 2022, 13:50 #
Сильная серия.

«Так что не смей даже думать, что на свете есть что-то, что я когда-либо ставил выше тебя. Никогда в жизни, никого. Пойми же наконец. Умоляю» 💔

Сэм делает ошибки, часто, чаще чем кто-либо, но у него были на то причины, он ТОЖЕ был в аду, он был практически чертовым демоном и ощущал это с самого детства. Он ТОЖЕ терял близких. У него тоже проблемы с доверием. Он тоже повидал дерьма. Он сложный, но его можно понять. И Дин понимает. И принимает.
Мне кажется, Сэм все же осознаёт свои ошибки. Он очень изменился с первых сезонов.
Ревность никуда не уходит, да, но у них созависимые отношения, от которых нельзя избавиться при их образе жизни. Они справляются так, как могут.
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13freiheit
13freiheit
17 Jul 2022, 13:51 #
Насчёт комментариев выше - мне наоборот вторая половина сезона, где братья разрешили наконец свой конфликт, понравилась куда больше первой. Все стало понятнее, логичнее (конечно, да, канон ломали то здесь, то там, но в целом сезон получился неплохой, тяжёлый в хорошем смысле)
Да, по сути их старания оказались напрасны, но это ведь и завязка на следующие сезоны) нужно думать, решать.
Каса безумно жалко. Когда уже у него все станет более-менее хорошо и стабильно.
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Nick24
Nick24
17 Jul 2022, 14:18 #
Проблема не в том, что Сэм делает ошибки. Все делают ошибки. И это нормально. Проблема в том, что он повторяет их из раза в раз, ничему не учась на них. Но даже на это можно закрыть было бы глаза, если бы не тот факт, что вместо принятия на себя ответственности, Сэм постоянно перекладывает её на Дина, выставляя себя самого жертвой и заставляя Дина чувствовать себя виноватым и извиняться перед Сэмом - в данной серии или, например, в 5.05, когда Дину извиняться было не за что.
Созависимость присутствовала всегда, но это не было такой уж огромной проблемой раньше, но в этом сезоне, особенно в этой серии, особенно беря во внимания тут цитату, которую Вы отметили выше, Джереми Карвер довел эту созависимость до невообразимых масштабов, которых раньше и близко не было ИМХО.
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13freiheit
13freiheit
17 Jul 2022, 19:39 #
Сэм такой, какой он есть 🤷🏼‍♀️ младший в семье, младший брат. С ним обращаются в соответсвии с этой ролью, он так себя и ведет. Я понимаю Ваши к нему (скорее к сценаристам) претензии, но все это хоть и путевка к психотерапевту, к тому же семейному, но объяснимо и понятно. Это принимает Дин, это приняла и я.
Посмотрим, как дела будут обстоять дальше)

Это ни в коем случае не значит, что я все это одобряю. Просто принимаю людей и ситуацию такими, какие они есть
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id386471659
id386471659
02 Aug 2022, 16:19 #
Кабздец!!! Вот уж наворотили, так наворотили дел, м-да!!! Кастиэль со своим вечным "думал, что так правильно", Винчестеры ничуть не лучше "А давайте всё бросим, главное же, чтобы Сэмми жил!". Ну да, Сэмми же важнее всех и вся, кто бы сомневался! Многие восхищаются этой "братской любовью", но уж извините, тут какая-то абсолютно больная созависимость, спасибо сценаристам ( чтоб им до конца дней икалось!). Одного понять не могу. Ведь в начале были действительно более менее нормальные отношения у них, а что потом!? Шоураннеры пошли на поводу фанатов, продвигая эту их ненормальную "любовь", из-за которой потом, по сути, братья плюют на весь мир, если это угрожает как-то одному из них!? Почему-то очень жаль Наоми, она то к финалу осознала, что творится какая-то чехуйня и что тоже наворотила не очень хороших дел, но, к сожалению, Наоми единственная кто хоть что-то понял, в отличие от всех остальных.
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Nick24
Nick24
02 Aug 2022, 16:44 #
@id386471659: Я насчет Наоми яростно плюсую!!! У мене наконец-то проявился интерес к персонажу здесь, захотелось дальше наблюдать за ее развитием да и Аманда Таппинг хорошая актриса. И что делает Карвер? Правильно, убивает её.

Про созависимость, Вы ведь, наверное, знаете, что Джереми искренне считал, что он пришел лечить эту созависимость. Круто ж вылечил, ничего не скажешь.

Хотя вполне вероятно, что весь этот кошмар с преждевременным убийством персонажей и их недоразвитием и этими больными братскими отношениями на самом деле на Роберте Сингере. Потому что все эти проблемы в целом тянулись сквозь большую часть сериала, независимо от шоураннера. Неизменным оставался только Сингер в роли исполнительного продюсера. Ведь это он постоянно саботировал любые сюжетные линии, которые подразумевали разделение братьев.
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Nick24
Nick24
02 Aug 2022, 17:12 #
@id386471659: Правда я еще добавлю, что Дин здесь остановил Сэма не потому что не может жить без него (Дин как раз может). А из-за этой ужасной программы "Watch out for Sammy!", которую Джон ("спасибо" ему огромное) вбил в голову Дина. Дескать если вдруг с Сэмом что-то не так, это была всегда вина Дина. Помните эпизод 1.18 про штригу и каким взглядом Джон смотрел на маленького Дина? Не помню, сколько Дину было лет, но могу представить, что один этот взгляд отца наложил на него очень большой отпечаток, я бы даже сказал психологическую травму.
Потом в 5.16 когда в Раю было воспоминание ночи, где Сэм ушел от них в колледж, по голосу Дина у меня сформировалось четкое впечатление, что Джон в этом винил Дина и там явно словами не обошлось.

Вот всей этой программой Джон и причинил Дину достаточно серьезную душевной травму (+ к смерти матери) и дал начало его глубоким self-worth issues. И вот как раз таки в подобных ситуациях как в этой серии, когда Сэму грозит опасность, в Дине и начинают выходить наружу все эти травмы. Ведь если с Сэмом что-то случится, Дин будет считать, что это его вина, т.к. Джон сделал все, чтобы Дин так считал.
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Nick24
Nick24
02 Aug 2022, 17:16 #
@Nick24: Но, разумеется, Карвер/Сингер и Ко. даже не пытались это рассмотреть с данной стороны.
Единственное исключение - это Адам Гласс, который действительно уделил время и дал в своей серией Bad Boys (9.07) четко понять, почему с Дином это происходит. За что ему большая благодарность!
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KatrinVamp
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31 Aug 2022, 09:06 #
Ну вот, не очеловечили Кроули! Я ему даже жестокости простила...
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79Warrior
79Warrior
22 Sep 2022, 01:03 #
Сразу было ясно, что испытания завершены не будут, т.к. ни за что сценаристы не избавились бы от демонов. В результате, вся история с испытаниями бессмысленна.
Более того, братья в это все ввязались даже не думая о последствиях. Вот закрыли бы они врата. А дальше? Что бы стало, например, с адскими псами на Земле без контроля? Что бы стало с душами людей, принадлежащих Аду? Они бы скапливались на Земле? Это же катастрофа бы была.
Но вместо того, чтобы привести эти разумные аргументы, все опять было сведено к умирающему Сэму. Предсказуемо и скучно. Нешокирующий шок это довольно частое явление в этом сериале.
Речь Сэма ожидаема.
А вот речь Дина меня разозлила. Тут Дин открыто сказал, что вся его Вселенная вертится вокруг Сэма и на всех остальных плевать. Дин, ты не настолько жалок, чтобы определять всю свою жизнь одним человеком.
Кас не настолько тупой, чтобы бездумно верить Метатрону. Опыт с Левиафанами должен был его научить. Но нет, опять он козел отпущения. Такой был замечательный персонаж, сколько историй можно было интересных с ним сделать. В результате его использует просто как сюжетный инструмент.
А вот на Каса и Дина, сидящих в баре я бы всю серию посмотрел. Когда эти двое одни, между ними великолепное взаимодействие.
Марк Шеппард отлично передал процесс излечения Кроули.
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al_topchiy
al_topchiy
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22 Sep 2023, 15:06 #
The final is beautiful
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fb1313417
fb1313417
04 Oct 2023, 00:56 #
Та вы что серьёзно, вот так финал🔥🔥 великолепный был сезон ,считаю один из лучших. А в конце ,как ангелы падали вниз очень эпично сняли, а ж дух захватывает. А ,Метатрон сук*н сын, как он мог так поступить.... Конец просто завораживает😍😍
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Bo17
Bo17
05 Mar 18:01 #
Блин, красиво падают же!)

В целом, сезон выдался неплохим!)
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zyyfff
zyyfff
25 Apr 09:43 #
I want to believe that Crowley has awakened human feelings and now he will not get rid of them completely. Let your conscience peek out a little sometimes. Well, I'll find out more about it.

As for the rest, everything is written above.
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