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| Release Date: | 08.04.202208.04.2022 12:00 |
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Season finale. The team discovers troubling revelations.
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Discussion: Season 1, Episode 9 Join the Discussion
441It's not a fact that Lumen even knows about this plan.
1) She was always "awakened" for half an hour, as she told Mark herself. And the day where she followed Heli was "the longest day"
2) The scene with her "Dismissal" was shown in too suspiciously detailed detail, and this black corridor through which she passed, and which Irving always draws, well, it looks very much like some kind of cremation chamber, or something like that. The visual and audio accompaniment clearly hinted at its destruction or death. Maybe the clone was destroyed because he failed?
3) Why should Mark's wife participate in this experiment? First to get acquainted, have a relationship, get married, then to imitate death, to introduce yourself a little bit into Mark's activities in Lumen. Check that the separation is working and he doesn't remember her? that's it? There are other, simpler ways to conduct such an experiment, without simulating death.
4) A company with so much money and such technologies can easily conduct genetic experiments and grow clones. Maybe this is exactly what our heroes are doing in processing macro data, looking for numbers based on their emotions, and sorting them, thus creating "souls" for future clones, or, if not clones, then for new divided ones. (but this is a completely fantastic version). Why would they do that? It's all about the company's charter. Aegon wanted to create an ideal society, obedient, utopian, and blindly following his views. In the last episode, Heli's father said that "Soon everyone will be separated." That is, they will implant implants for everyone, and switch to the "ideologically correct version of themselves."
Milchek once said that employees "cannot die on the severed floor" (they cannot die on a divided floor"), that is, the chip can support some kind of human activity - physical or only brain activity, it is not known. Perhaps this was the secret of Helly's recovery after suicide.
Now the whole legacy of Egan is entirely unknown. There was a theory that they were working on a procedure for transferring consciousness.
In general, in the first episode, they loaded several phrases that were fired only in the last one, such as about Prometheus sacrificing himself for people - in the last one, Dylan sacrificed himself frozen in a pose that chained Prometheus to a mountain. Only Prometheus was doomed to eternal suffering...
So I would not dismiss this version.
I thought the last episode was a cliffhanger, but it's generally simple here.. the explosion of the head.
How to wait after that.
There were guesses about Helen, so there was no strong surprise, but still it turned out cool!
But for some reason, Irving's line did not create wild interest.
Because the inner man didn't even know how to drive a car. He wouldn't have been able to figure out the phone in any way.
As for Mark, it also seems to me that deep down he loves and respects Rikken. Oh this situation when Rikken almost showed Gemma's photo to Mark made me nervous) I am very glad that Mark's innie found out that that psychologist is his wife! But unfortunately, it's a pity that hardly anyone will understand his cry (
Irving was clearly doing his own research and it's very interesting where he got the contact sheet of these people? I'm glad Bert is doing well, but I'm sorry for Irving (
For Mark, Irv and Helly, this was the first step towards the destruction of this empire. I think that their actions in this series will not be taken seriously, but at least they now have more information and Mark's sister will begin to help in some way.
I also want to note a comment from the last series, where they said that perhaps separation helps people cope with stress, loss, etc. I think that the main task lies in this and there are a huge number of workers there in different countries. But at what cost?
In general, the actors are super, the script is excellent (although there are some questions about why there is no security in the company, etc.), the idea is fresh and original. I'm going to watch Ben Stiller's other projects)
Maybe the chip was originally created for the army? You recruit soldiers, they carry out the most cruel orders without question, only they have no memories, and they do not suffer from PTSD after the tour ends. And everyone is happy. After all, there are so many protocols in the functions of the chip, they can't all be for office work. And Helen's father confirmed that their company has been messing with chips for a long time, if the prototype was created in her childhood. Most likely, they started for health, but it turned out as always.
The series is great. I wish there were more of them.
Let's close now and become the greatest sadists in the world.
The only point that I didn't fully understand is the technical detail of the separation: I kept thinking that "separation" (despite the term) is closer to "isolation", i.e. this piece of you, memories, etc. it is isolated, not separated, and when Dylan started overtime, the whole trio It was supposed to merge and recover into a single person who remembers both work and himself outside of work, then Mark did not reveal himself to the boss.
But while I was writing, I remembered that Dylan, despite not "turning on", did not remember either the child's name or the fact that there are three of them.
@furSy: Yes, I understood that, it's just that the whole series thought that when they were turned on, they would become like Petey - they would remember both lives.
Dylan woke up from work in the closet of his extra personality and, if not for the child who caught his eye, he would have continued to know nothing about "his" marital status. This is not a merger, but a switching of extras to intras in opposite conditions. Therefore, when intra-Dylan turned on at work again, he remembered what happened to him, intra, in the skin of the "original".
According to this logic, Irv, Helly and Mark, once back in the office, will remember their "extra" experience: a trip to Bert, a speech at the Lumon gathering and recognizing the psychologist's wife. For the main personalities, this will be a memory lapse, because the extras did not participate in this reality at all.
But definitely, the inclusion of intras in any conditions does not provoke a fusion of personalities, either one or another personality acts in a regular situation. And merging them, like Pitti's, is an emergency situation caused by outside (non-Lumen) interference.
Synonyms were summed up. I used them so that I would not "drive intra through intra, see intra, in extra intra..." 😅
It's easier to take out the chips and that's it. Although they said that it seemed impossible to go back, but maybe they meant something else.
before the news went out that they had renewed for a second season, I was hoping that it would be a tight mini-movie, but okay, now let's continue. beautiful
his character had good potential - he's been sniffing around there for years, trying to get into the subconscious. it would seem, hooray, you can help yourself and tell everything you know - no, he itched and he went to his love. I felt so sorry for Dylan at that moment: he was standing there, poor, in a very unfortunate position, and not for a couple of minutes, but for dozens of minutes! literally torture. and all for the sake of those three doing something useful. and this idiot again spat on his team for personal purposes.
absolutely incompetently leaked Irv, it's even a pity.
The only thing that is not clear is how Helly's father, who is the founder, did not think twice when his daughter tried to hang herself. Either he is such a cruel fanatic of his business, or he himself firmly believes that the doppelgangers live a happy life there. Rather the first, because he doesn't look stupid.
I hope the second season will be released sooner, because this one will not go away from memory now at all.
It was nice to note in the course of the series that many assumptions turned out to be correct, especially the unexpected twist eventually came out with the exhibition. Of course, I understood that there is a conflict of personalities, but to turn myself out, just to prove to my father and the world that everything is fine - it's terrible.
The brain explodes.
Now it's a year to wait for season 2
I was personally disappointed that the most interesting place....and what to expect next.
I hope that the writers and producers will not spoil the next season and generally answer all the questions in the end....There are enough TV shows without answers and decent endings.
The final episode was the most intense, so I wanted everyone to have time....I hope that Mark's sister will understand everything from his cry that his wife is alive, the photo is in his hand with his wife.
I really hope that the next season will start from about the same place where this one ended, and the creators will do without unnecessary timescips. I would like to consider all the details of the consequences of what happened here.
We are looking forward to the second season!
Helly is not on stage, but is lying under it with Natalie. Which is good, because after such a performance, no one should have any doubt that it was NOT a joke)
Disappointed in Harmony, as soon as she got on the right path, she was happy (kind of sincerely) for Mark that he decided to leave and then, hoping to restore his position in the company, ran to ruin their plans.
In general, Apple TV+ series delight with their gorgeous visual images, filming, actors, and attention to detail.
>Disappointed in Harmony, but she got on the right path, was happy (kind of sincerely) for Mark that he decided to leave
I think she was glad that after Mark's dismissal, his inner self would die and stop interfering.
I don't know if it has anything to do with the incident with his wife, but the theory is clearly good, worthy of a living.
And, by the way, if she really faked the accident, then it would fit perfectly into her not-so-kind character.
P.S. Don't worry about Mark, he didn't just shout, he was holding a photo in his hand, so the sister should understand everything.
P.P.S. Did you pay attention to the woman who said that she had a wound on her head from a bird? This is not for nothing. Apparently, she had a separation operation. And the man who started screaming that he had found the child? Strange behavior. There are muddy people around my sister's husband.
I watched it in the first episode, when it came to the separation of Mark - she did not say a word during this discussion, only at the end, after Rickon's speech, she said that she "also supports his decision."
According to the plot... It is simply impossible to imagine what bleating goats will be thrown at us next season. And how nice it is to understand that you can't really predict anything =)
I continued to write a review and realized that I would just get everyone with my delight. I'll limit myself to this. It's just that such series are so rare... This is very valuable.
, I would unscrew the relay to the maximum and generally erase everything completely 😭
...
In the sense of "this is the season finale"? What's the ending?! So that there will be an episode in a week, as usual! :<
And if you put aside the joke, then there are simply no words, the series is a TOWER. This is how you need to build a story, this is how you need to make characters fall in love and write plot twists - do not take them from the ceiling, but serve them quite logically. I believe that Helena is an important person, because throughout the season we were shown that she would not bend under the "worker", even under threat of death, she would not engage in dialogue. And I really like how everyone has their own story arc- Halle has a conflict with herself, Mark has a trauma about the "death" of his wife, and Irving has feelings for Bert.
And, of course, my respect for Dylan in this episode. I wouldn't have lasted 10 minutes in this position, but he's just a mountain man! It took as much as a whole Mr. Milcheck HDD to get the switches to release
I started watching, not expecting anything at all, in the end I just liked it to the point of insanity. Let's have a second season, my body is ready.
P.S. I went to "split up"! While my first half is waiting for the continuation, the second half will live and not suspect anything! Wake up by the beginning of season 2...
It is not allowed to discuss politics on myshous, which means that both comments will be deleted, I suppose. And yet: Glory to Ukraine.
Personal messages on VK and Twitter are open, their accounts are linked to myshous - feel free to write.
It is a pity that your idea of Ukraine boils down to Nazism and sadism. The country is wonderful, as are its people.
I wonder how events will develop, because something like this appears between Mark and Helly at the end of the season, and this farewell kiss...
Episode 8:
Mark: What if we don't wake up? Or are our extras scoundrels?
Helly: Well, it's all clear with me...
Mark: You know, I... hope there's at least something I care about. Something important.
Helly: You've been taking great care of me, Mark.
Mark: It's just... I want to take care of you.
HELLY: Thank you. It's mutual.
Mark: Thank you.
And such a touching scene at Miss Casey's session, I so wanted them to remember everything, looking at each other:
Miss Casey: I've only lived 107 hours. I only know these half-hour sessions. The most beloved part of my life is the 8 hours I spent with you...I've never lived so long at a time...
Mark: We have to do something to help.
Miss Casey: Why are you worried about me?
Mark: Because we are people, not someone's appendage. These are our lives, this is all we have. No one has the right to take it away from us.
Miss Casey: Thank you, Mark.
...
Miss Casey: Your extra loves to do...
honey: It's great. They don't remember each other.
That's what the series turned out to be, that's what he managed to awaken such a range of emotions! The immersion into the atmosphere of the series was maximum. Pausing, I wanted to come back and come back again. The eyes are streaming aquamarine, the heart is tearing into millions of particles (it needs to be patched up for the next season), curiosity and the desire to get to the bottom of the deep and secret meanings of this series cannot be tamed.
I really want to see the sequel! Hold on, guys!
but the series is really great, the best I've seen in recent years
And I found the similarity of the series more with video games like Inside, Control, The Stanley's Parable and the works of writers Philip K. Dick and Frans Kafka + the film adaptation of "The Process" by Wells very much reminded the atmosphere of the series, and also the film by Jacques Taki "Playtime".
From the complaints: it's still too slow in places. Nine episodes per hour, it would be possible to bring the season at least to some logical point, with a reserve for the second season. And there it is completely in limbo.
I wonder why it was only Irving who had the leak? He was either connected to Lumon initially, or he was investigating what was going on there, but still it doesn't explain why he was the one who saw the paint in the office, and why he could remember the corridor while being outside.
I really want to be offered a clear justification for the creation and implementation of such technology to the masses. As an increase in efficiency in office work, this does not stand up to any criticism - a person locked at work around the clock without the possibility of psychological rest cannot be effective. As a justification for solving psychological problems like Mark's, it's also nonsense, he didn't cut off emotions for himself in life, but just working hours. The only jobs where this would be justified are something related to top secret and cruelty - you are guaranteed to cut off memories, a person cannot blab anything (although in this case it is very doubtful from a security point of view to invent a way to activate an inner personality outside the workspace) if he commits murders or illegal/scary things he will not suffer from this, again, he will not go to tell anyone. But this is clearly not the case of Lumon, well, so far with our office heroes. I hope the explanation will be more interesting than another social experiment or the idea of enslaving all of humanity.
Therefore, both Hells bend their line, try to fight in every possible way.
But the external Helly is also spoiled and spoiled, she does not put people in anything - it is very vividly shown how she treats herself internally. To achieve the prosperity of the company no matter what. The external one is most likely perfectly aware of how people are being bullied inside, but it doesn't matter to her, her idea is fixed - market expansion.
The idea of internal freedom as the highest priority
For what....
I applaud Ben Stiller. A serious producer was born from an average comedian. A good trend, if you also consider Seth Rogen.
I also remembered, looking at Adam Scott, how Ben cosplayed Tom Cruise. Stiller still has a thing for him.
In general, Severance is really a very poignant series on my favorite topic — a man needs a man. Moreover, in this series, this means even we are with ourselves. It is impossible for us to survive without a sense of freedom, which manifests itself precisely in our interaction with people around us. Their office is literally built in such a way as to divide people as much as possible and let them focus exclusively on work, but our humanity breaks through any obstacles: love finds its way even through endless spaces of corridors, and friendship gets out of cells. And we cannot live without this human, I repeat, in any way, which is very coolly symbolized by the line of Dylan, who needed one short hug from his son to abandon his usual routine and such loyalty to the company. It's delightfully simple. And each of the characters has a lot of such understandable drama here.
In general, you can read the reel series as you want: both as a comment on the attitude towards employees in general, and as a discussion about our attitude to work, and as a tragedy about traumatized people and an attempt to forget, and as that very drama about the importance of loving and being loved, and as such a great psychological session about relationships with oneself and a lot more. It's really cool, because thinking about this series is no less pleasant than watching it, and this is always admirable.
In general, it is wildly interesting what will happen next, because the groundwork for the masterpiece is huge. I really want to believe that the second season will be no worse. I can't wait
Now it's just agonizing to wait for the second season.
The local mythology is fascinating, through which the absurdity of "delusional work" is highlighted. The cult of productivity, brought to its logical end. Capitalism as a religion: with a sacred text, rituals and false teaching in the form of a self-development book. With sacrificial goats, the "garden of Eden" and the myth of the barbarism of the optics and design department. And the graceful fusion of this "inner" world building with the "outer" in the refrain of the prayer "Forgive me for the harm I have caused this world", when Helly understands her role in the experiment. Beauty!
But the great thing is that this thriller has the DNA of office comedies! And that the humanity of the characters was not sacrificed to the concept! Well, how wonderful it is from all sides, I'm waiting for the continuation)
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Ретро атмосфера офисного пространства, тайны отделов, загадочность производимых действий, все это чем-то даже напомнило DHARMA Initiative.
А музыка-то какая! Очень органично вплетается и дополняет сюжет. Разделение сознания хорошо обыграно и напоминает Элиота из "Мистера Робота".
Ну, и концовка сезона шикарна. Ждем второй сезон.
Эта основная личность говорила что-то о том, что ей помогли вырастить детей (у неё их 3(?) )
Когда после родов сестра Марка встретила женщину, та была растеряна, или потеряна, и не была столь расслабленной. Чисто имхо - вторая личность, которая для родов и бытовухи.
Господи, я аж подпрыгнул в конце
Если разделенный увольняется, то его интра, которая никогда до этого не существовала - по сути умрет. Она никогда больше не проживет новый день, по сути вся ее жизнь, с теми радостями и событиями, которые у нее были - закончится. Весь опыт - все "умрет". Экстре от этого легко отмахнуться, если не задумываться, но если задуматься... Ты же по сути своим решением убиваешь другого человека, другое сознание. Или не другое? Тоже не понятно, кем является эта личность: тоже тобой, просто без памяти, или отдельным сознанием, пусть и с такими же вкусами?
А какого отказывать другой личности в запросах на увольнение? Заставлять другого человека, или вообще самого себя страдать? Но, конечно, можно просто отмахнуться и не задумываться. Но вот если задуматься...
Окончание сезона просто разрыв сердца, жду с нетерпением продолжение.
Сказать странный сериал- это ничего не сказать)
Главное чтобы создатели потом сами не запутались что к чему), это если будет второй сезон.
По итогу сериал понравился!
Буду ждать продолжения!
У меня остались только вопросы по безопасности в Люмене.
Почему весь не разделенный персонал состоит всего из 3 человек (из 1 с учетом смерти того грозного мужика и увольнения бабки)? По сути за порядком следит только Милчек, который естественно не может успеть везде и сразу.
Почему нет камер и прослушки в офисах?
Почему в кабинете охраны никто не работает?
Каким образом включили Дилана в том шкафу, если Милчек был с ним, а бабка была не на работе? Тот мужик (уже забыл как его звали) так же враскарячку держал выключатели в одиночку?
Почему когда Ирвинга спалили на том, что он как-то вышел из закрытого кабинета, это не привело к вопросам как он это сделал?
Вообще на эту тему реально куча вопросов и я не знаю как это еще обьяснить кроме как общей шизой происходящего, или что все это на самом деле эксперимент или какая-то другая реальность. Либо же это очень сильное допущение сериала ради развития сюжета в нужном русле.
Ну и еще интересный момент, что Ирвинг оказался не так прост и воспоминания двух его личностей начали смешиваться, иначе он бы не полез за сундуком в котором был тайный отдел с кучей информации.
.. я на измене.. сколько теперь ждать? когда продолжение?
Я так и знала, что с Хеленой что-то не так: её ни разу отдельно в жизни не показали, в отличии от остальных членов команды. Плюс я всё никак понять не могла, вот какого черта она не уходит, когда её "рабочая" так настойчиво этого требует.
Историю Ирвинга интересно ещё узнать "вне работы". Ведь он помнит получается коридор в чистку, знает, кто там работает. Откуда? От там работал без чипа? Тогда почему его приняли работать уже с чипом?
А тетка-начальница...Боже правый! Чего она лезла то постоянно в личную жизнь Марка? Именно Марка. Фу прям, противно это
ну просто он такой улыбашка с вкусняшками и музычкой))
Люмон: а давайте запихнём в каждую черепушку по ещё одному сознанию.
И не знаю как кому, а мне сериал очень напомнил Dollhouse. И идейно, и, конечно, сюжетной линией Дичен Лакмэн!
Актеры (хоть мне и не нравится Скотт, но тут он хорош), картинка, музыка
Очень хорошо!
Очень переживала за Марка, его бег в сторону сёстры держал в напряжении, очень надеюсь, что они поймут что к чему.
Про Хелену было понятно, что она непроста. А тут прям целая наследница всей этой шарашки.
Ирвинг оказался чёрной лошадкой))
Надеюсь, второй сезон начнётся с того, чем закончился первый сезон, и нам нормально покажут, сколько раз ребята прочитали свои извиняющиеся записки.
Как же теперь дождаться продолжения, вот в чём вопрос)
Я бы не выдержала столько времени зажимать эти рычаги)
Ладно, не одно.
Сериал реально крутой! Давно не смотрела ничего такого классного.
Очень надеюсь на достойные продолжение и финал.
Один из немногих сериалов со свежим сюжетом, да были вот эти все великие бесчеловечные монопольные империи зла, но именно такого формата не видела нигде. Здесь не будет раскрыто как на ладони - кто, где и почему. Приходится придумывать и догадываться о настоящих намерениях и положении дел, о настоящих масштабах всего происходящего. Оттого становится ещё интереснее, но и мучительно в ожидании развязки. Гг не выглядят картонными даже когда мы мало о них знаем. Актёры отыграли шикарно.
Недочёты сценария будут всегда и везде, тут уж либо закрывать глаза, либо пытаться объяснить логикой той вселенной, где гг существуют.
Например, почему так мало охраны и слежения? Мне кажется что внутренние полностью подконтрольны, они как роботы, им ничего не нужно, они будто запрограммированы и нуждаются только в поработать-сходить в туалет-поесть-поговорить на непринужденные темы. (если судить по первой серии, потом то конечно начались попытки в медленное прозрение) И с чего мы взяли, что в этом здании (кстати большом) много работников? В охранной комнате было не так много переключателей и не так много камер и всего один ген.дир. что тоже странно.
Очень понравилась ассоциация коридоров и движения героев по ним с лабораторными мышами. Каждое движение по этим коридорам уверенное и кажется что герои сразу ориентируются по ним, будто запрограммированные. ___Далее ниже___
И что-то мне кажется, что это не работа вовсе, а прикрытие. Человек по какой-то причине хочет разделиться, приходит туда и ему дают видимость работы, ведь они занимаются не пойми чем. Или там действительно какая-то высшая цель для основателей.
НО бессмысленность всего происходящего на работе подкрепляется тем, что идёт арка какого-то сектантства и слепого поклонение чему-то что они сами не смогут объяснить, лишь цитируя пустые фразы основателя. О какой великой миссии и великих идеях идёт речь - не ясно, но они свято верят в них.
В этом ещё предстоит разобраться.
> c чего мы взяли, что в этом здании (кстати большом) много работников
Несколько раз показали кучу машин на парковке, а потом пустую парковку (когда уезжал/приезжал Марк), то есть люди туда приезжают и оттуда уезжают.
В какой-то момент сказали, что в Люмон работает половина города. Судя по всему, вся эта половина трудится в самом здании, и только сотрудники согласившиеся на разделение трудятся в подвале.
Прозвучала хорошая фраза: они (эти их версии) не просили, чтобы их создавали и приводили сюда. Как и все мы, не просили.
Я все еще жду объяснения про числа и козлят 😠
Очень надеюсь, что во 2 сезоне дадут объяснение (каким бы абстрактным оно ни было), а то вспоминаются белые медведи и чёрный дым из Лоста, которые так и остались (для меня) загадкой...
In general, the concept is interesting. The horror of modern office slavery. A job where you don't understand what the result of all this should be, you're just a cog in a big machine.
А сериал отличный, на одном дыхании, открытие года.
Бен Стиллер удивил.
видимо, это единственное объяснение, как в принципе толстячок смог так долго продержаться
Елена получается... я видимо была единственной, кто не догадывался что с ней что-то не так, Я думала она такая же простая как все остальные
теперь главное чтобы её словам прислушались, что вряд ли ведь компании это не выгодно
Насчёт марка я спокойно всё же он не просто выкрикнул, а у него ещё и фотографии жены была в руках
только вот непонятно как они все существовали полностью, и только она... то есть экстра ее в коме после аварии, а интро может выходить но только на какое-то время???
Ирвин мог столько оставить информации своему экстра-видно же что экстра копает под люмен, а на самом деле не сказал ни слова а поехал к Бену
Я тоже бы так сделала, но по пути может быть когда надиктовала бы себе в заметки что ли какую-то информацию пока еду, хотя бы как-то так! обидно что вот тот кто мог это всё сделать, такой шанс похерил
Короче, вопросы остались, но очень надеюсь, что 2 сезон будет вот прямо скоро, потому что если он будет в следующем году... даже не знаю как дождаться
Крутая задумка сериала! Что-то новое ☺️
Я думаю что во 2 сезоне, он всё таки будет это подозревать, тк кто ещё на столько важный чтоб он прокричал «она жива» и будет работать в Люмен, чтоб продолжать расследование. Теперь и экстра и интро знают про жену.
Основательница (интро то точно) тоже поддержит расследование.
Ирвинг вообще загадка, согласна прям! Откуда чертежи, что он знает, предположу у него ведения и воспоминания.
Оно же очень похоже, местами с похожими идеями/поступками.
В последней серии хотелось кричать "ааа запишите видос на телефон, отправьте куда-нибудь или хотя бы для себя", но как верно отмечали ранее, "внутренние" на работе телефонами не пользуются и даже компьютеры там подчеркнуто старомодные, не факт что они понимают что такое вообще можно было сделать (да ещё и пароль вспомнить, если блокировка не пальцем или лицом).
Очень ждем-с второй сезон, приятно был удивлен)
Очень понравилась идея сериала и то как ведётся повествование. Очень круто, что на важных моментах сезон закончился. Надеюсь к концу 2023го будет следующий сезон, очень надеюсь.
Тут многие вспоминали на что похоже им, я тоже выскажусь. Не скажу что это очень похоже, но мне сама науч-фанастическая часть отдаёт сериалом Грань. Я почему то такой вайб поймала в голове, когда там Питер понял, что с ним не так в той реальности куда его поместил отец.
В общем сериал очень понравился, прямо буду советовать
Эксперимент с отделами обработки данных и Дизайнерами - выглядело, как провокация, желание их поссорить из-за вымышленных давних конфликтов и слухов, подтверждения которым не было, только "отсылки" в виде картины и слухи, видимо хотели проверить на сколько люди подвергнутые "пропаганде" будут готовы к каким-то действиям при реальной встрече с этими отделами (обзывательства, драки и тп), либо хотели отпугнуть, чтобы они не шатались друг к другу слоняясь по коридорам, но отделы все равно нашли способ подружиться, это прямо здорово - очень по доброму сделали, человечно).
Вся работа внутри компании очень напоминает религиозный культ, их заповеди ака правила, наказания, фигура "отца" основателя, любовь которого они пытаются заслужить хорошей работой, даже когда Хейли выполнила 100% работы, ее наградой было "я тебя люблю" от компьютерного основателя компании. Его дом там стоит как музей, которым они должны восхищаться и ходят туда на "перезарядку" как в церковь.
Второй момент - козлята, они что-то значат для компании, раз из разводят прямо в офисе, плюс опять же религиозные ассоциации с агнецом божьим (овечка\коза, очень похоже) и на продолжении "вафельной вечеринки" было 4 танцовщицы в масках, и одна из масок была маской козла, что странно, но интересно. Еще тут такой интересный момент, до конца не показали, что значит эта вафельная вечеринка и к чему она должна привести, но на сколько "интре" этично на таком присутствовать, если он даже не знает женат ли он "снаружи".
Третье, это наличие "священной книги" которая для реального мира просто очередная книга на полку, а для мира "интр" она оказалась ключом к перевороту и очень сильно повлияла на их мировоззрение и привела к интересным последствиям.
Еще очень интересно, что за галлюцинации ловил Ирвин с черной краской (по-моему у Марка один раз тоже была такая галлюцинация) и почему вечерами он рисует дверь, в которую ушла "мисс Кейси", как ее мог видеть Ирвин и вспомнить в своей реальной жизни. Интересно, что он очень интересовался живописью на работе и в реальной жизни оказался связан с ней)
Очень интересный сериал. Спасибо создателям и Киру)))
Ждем второй!
Рада что все-таки со, второго раза, добралась до этого сериала 🤩
Это пушка. Это очень интересно и переживательно. С нетерпением жду следующего сезона
С каким скепсисом начинала смотреть первую серию, сериал пролежал в отложенных больше года, и вот он просмотрен взахлеб - потрясающе и браво всем, кто участвовал при его создании!
Разгадка происходящего уже практически на поверхности, ждем с нетерпением второй сезон
Даже не думала, что так понравится. С первых серий не понимаешь, что происходит и пытаешься разгадать загадки. Оставляет за собой столько вопросов, что явно требуется продолжение!
Нельзя так заканчивать на самом интересном😅
Теперь будем ждать второй сезон☺️
Сейчас же другое настроение, проглотила за 1 вечер, насколько тонко обыгрываются все эти корпоративные проблемы, у меня не раз была мысль, что да, сейчас на работе некомфортно и ищу другое место, но я хотя бы помню! И есть свобода действий.
Интересно, Кто такой Ирвинг и откуда он знает про лифт вниз?
Ещё подумала, что после того, как уволят начальницу Марка, то она тоже пойдет против системы ,но видимо слишком предана своей работе
Надеюсь ждать следующего сезона придется не долго
Вся суть и деятельность корпорации Люмен так и остается загадкой, можно лишь гадать, что зачем и почему,а новости о скором выходе 2 сезона лишь подогревают интерес
Ещё один отличный проект от Apple TV. С нетерпением жду продолжения, заинтриговали 😃
I kept hoping that the old guys in love in real life were also connected, it would be nice. But no. It looks like the artist is investigating Lumon, and knows about the elevator where Mark's wife was taken. Perhaps he is connected with people against the company of speakers.
The fact that Lumon is a cult is already clear, but it seems that the real Halle is not very aware of what is happening there. If she had known that they were torturing there (the recreation room), she would have gone there. And her father uses her daughter for political purposes. In short, no answer has been found to any question🥴
Although it's a huge relief that Mark did see a picture of his wife and realized that she was alive!
I really liked Hallie's monologue in the toilet. In general, I love such appeals to the audience " and here Lower played smartly, there was some sincerity in the words.
It was a separate thrill to watch Mark-from-the-real-world turn into a working-class Mark and vice versa, as if they really were two completely different people.
a teaser at the same time.
Pipeeee, even more than six months ;____; yes, how so
I looked at it in one gulp, even the noodle was not upset in places. There is a lot of incomprehensible, a lot of assumed, and I really want to look further!
Gorgeous visual and music - especially in contrast, when Metallica and Motorhead burst into the sterile picture 🤘
Well, then we have: Mark and Casey, Irving and Bert, Dylan and...???
At the same time, we know for sure that Mark's reaction to Casey was checked. Maybe this is the essence of the macro data department? It would be interesting to revisit Irving's scene with Casey in this context.
What's Helly doing there? All this sounds like a non-dusty job, so the director's daughter or whoever this grandfather is was sent to her.
Petey mentioned this in passing at the very beginning, and before I started watching the series, I thought that everyone would be like that in the series)
If everyone in Lumen is drowned for separation and even separated themselves, then maybe Milchek and the Dog and the man from security are separated around the clock? Especially the last one. He was smiling outside the building!
Also, if we assume that Irving-extra digs under the Lumen, then I have an assumption that he paints pictures not because of troubles with his head, but because he is waiting (or calling?) the appearance of his intro, and somehow this image slipped from intro to extra - probably a consequence of the reboot.
I'm surprised that Bert turned out to be free, one of my theories was that the dismissed were transferred to round-the-clock work, all this, of course, on another floor.
Most importantly, he looks exactly like Cyrus: beard, suit, LAMBS.
(I can't get rid of associations with Bioshock Infinity)
Accordingly, there is a feeling as if he in some form performs the ritual functions of the local prophet-God, where the sheep are, of course, Lumen's employees, not only separated.
Someone is coming for them.
Isn't this a hint that they will come for the heroes sooner or later? Well, sheep are either sheared or eaten. So the prospects are not bright.
Also, regarding departments, I think each of them should comply with one of the principles:
Vision - design department, 100%
Verve
Wit
Cheer
Humility - sheep. That man looked quite humble in his attempts to feed this bleating horde
Benevolence
Nimbleness
Probity - macro data. The numbers are looking for "how do you feel", and the way you feel is the most honest thing that can be.
Wiles
But we don't have much knowledge about the rest of the departments yet, so the distribution is still questionable, except for design.
The eighth principle (department number 08) is just Honesty🤔🤔🤔
What if it's all a matrix? With a 99% probability this is not the case, because for this you need to beat the screenwriters with rebar on the fingers in 2022. Nevertheless, there may be some similar vibes. Then there are no arguments for it, but only what prompted me to do it.
- Death of Mark's wife. You can't die in the matrix.
- The series hardly mentions places outside of Cyrus, there are only two exceptions. The first is one of the questions on the table. The answer was Denver. The second is in the book by Mark's sister's husband, he claims to have traveled the world.
- If Cyrus cannot be left, and Rikken left him, then this explains the incredible popularity of him and his book. There is also a banal infocyganism, who would be led to such a thing in their RIGHT mind? So the intras just fell for it.
- What are non-corporations doing in a corporate city anyway? Mark's sister, relatives of the other employees. There is no feeling that they came to this city specifically to work, they have already lived there. Why?
- University. Clearly belonging to Lumen. What is he even doing there? Why doesn't Mark know anything about Lumen if he taught there? We've already seen enough to know that Lumen is a sect. And what, no, even modest edits to the Story?
- If there is a matrix, then there must be an agent Smith. Milchek, of course. We've seen all the main characters outside of work except him. Besides, he really acts like a robot.
- The address on Irving's envelope. The PE staff is indicated there, it doesn't seem to exist.
- There is no state, but there is a Senator. What did a senator forget in a provincial town of a non-existent state? He's playing tricks with Lumen, yes, but it seems strange to me, the town is small, you need to be closer to your constituents.
- The chip is centrally controlled, while no infrastructure is visible in the city, no pile of antennas, and after all, the implant, among other things, also transmits information about the state of the carrier. You can write it off as a fantastic assumption, but I don't want that.
- The absurd size of the Lumens office. They have a whole two-storey house with a garden underground (or not under?) for the sake of the museum. And that's just what they showed us.
-Switching "to a lesser extent and recording sensors to a greater extent. How is it even possible to do this, except to program reality?
- With this level of technology (and presumably the staff), there is an actual absence of a security service. Either we don't know something about how the Security Council really works, or it just doesn't make sense - truly destructive actions are impossible and programmatically limited.
- Petey is Neo. He was able to get out of the matrix, although in fact he only got into the Zion - the outer matrix.
- The name. Separation. We don't have a divided floor, we have a whole city, or even a state, separated from the rest of the world.
The initial idea is fire, and then - prolonged chewing. A bunch of mysterious mysteries and mysterious riddles.
Remember all the questions that arose in your head in the first episodes of the season and answer: have they been answered? It is clear that the riddles should remain for further plotting, but, damn, the original idea needs to be revealed somehow, and not just throw new riddles on top.
And here - apart from the quite predictable disclosure of Hallie's personality, there is a practical lack of distinct development.
Hmm, why does criticism of large corporations sound so unconvincing in a work created by a large corporation?
*времени мало*
Все: заняты чем-то полезным
Дед: едет искать своего деда гея xD
I can't imagine how people have been waiting for a new season for 2 years after such a finale
I watched this masterpiece for the first time, and I have only a month and a half to wait for the second season
Well, it's not like netflix to drop the whole season
But the pleasure will stretch. as much as 2 months
But it exceeded all my expectations!
This is one of the best TV shows I've watched, and I've watched quite a few.
There are a lot of hooks, they will be interested if they do not start revealing their cards, but continue to beat around the bush... it can be stretched for 10 seasons, then everyone will get bored and the project will be closed without explaining anything.
99% what if: She's alive... Yes, your niece is fine... Yeah, that's what I meant."You can give up, they had an idea, they shot the pilot, it seemed to go in, but they don't know how to finish it properly.
The last episode kept me in suspense until the last second. Very well done. But, traditionally for such a project, questions have increased, not decreased. I'm looking forward to the second season with curiosity.
58?! Our Dylan?)
But besides that, it's handwritten next to it: "Who else is 58?" Irving's extra obviously doesn't know who Dylan is (and can't marvel with me at his cool preservation), but the birth years of the separated employees are important to him nonetheless.
Years of birth and dates of separation.
Just out loud: show me your wife's photo! Well, I was afraid that Mark would address the Dog by name, and that's how it happened.
It's great that he thought to bring this to his sister and they can do something together in the future. Mark was about to leave himself, and then this!
The icing on the cake is Helly and Helen!! It's just a bomb)
The cruelty with which she talked to the working version when she was not working made it clear that this was more important than just work.
This is an Apple, I bought his phone to buy a charger, a wire, headphones - all separately - cal in general is an apple.
And the series is not bad.
That's a twist)
Let's watch season 2.
And the Dog probably understood everything from Mark's face. Their faces were stretched out in the elevator, and here she noticed that Mark's face was stretched out.
And Mark screams, "She's alive." It's not a fact, it's been lowered somewhere else. Maybe she's not even alive anymore.
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