s01e08 — Lionel

Jeffrey: "I'm sorry Dad"
Father: "Come on, what do
you think" pfff almost 17 children / teenagers killed, raped, ate, boiled, dismembered, literally pulverized... Why apologize?

Parental experiences are perfectly revealed . I really missed it in TV series and documentaries about serial killers. What kind of life and what thoughts should you have when your own child grows up into a real monster

The second part of the series comes out quite emotional. On the last scene, the father/son almost burst into tears herself, to be honest.. How many emotional disabled people grow up because of a bunch of educational factors.
I expected, of course, that Jeff would give out something in his "was sane" style at the last word, but apparently he was still persuaded to refer to the disease.
It was creepy, very creepy to watch..

Так я расстроена что ему оставили очки в суде ибо я посмотрела документальную и там на них делался акцент! Реальный Дамер не надел их чтобы не видеть людей которые все это говорят, дистанцироваться от них!

Это одна большая трагедия не только одной семьи Дамеров и как следствие семей членов которых он убил,а всего нашего общества во все времена!
Никто никого не слышит и не хочет слышать,куча предрассудков и моральных уродов на примере тех же копов!
Мать которая думала о себе,отец который думал о себе-травмированный ребёнок без любви и заботы и далее цепная реакция!
Можно долго и много на эту тему рассуждать,но не буду!
В этой серии,даже я слезу пустила,а это очень редкое явление! Молодцы!

смотрю сериал и одновременно читаю книгу Брайана Мастерса о Дамере. книга отлично дополняет опущенные детали сериала и дает больше инфы для размышлений, в то время сериал отлично передает историю в формате визуализации.

favorite series, at the moment. in all the trukraim podcasts about dahmer that I listened to, little was said (if at all mentioned) the reaction of the public, and this is the most interesting

I didn't like only one moment. dahmer took off his glasses at the trial on purpose so as not to accidentally cross the eyes of the victims' families, and here such a moment was missed.. it also shows well what a coward and a sucker dahmer really is

В начале серии, когда отец спросил Джефа "почему ты это делал?", Джеф начал говорить о сбитых животных и тут его отец перебивает "нет, я не виноват, я не делал тебя таким" ...
Как же это меня выбесило! Даже сейчас, сука, ты его не слушаешь, даже сейчас не даёшь ему сказать! Да, это нужно было делать раньше! Да, уже поздно! Но уж можно было его послушать. Он его никогда не слушал. Это отчётливо и в других сериях показывали.
Есть большая вероятность, что этих кошмаров можно было бы избежать, если бы его окружала другая атмосфера. Но его родители "постарались", конечно. И сделали свой вклад в развитие чудовища.

Заседание вышло крайне эмоциональным, особенно тронуло душу стих от друга Тони. Кстати глянул видео с настоящего заседания, в сериале практически один в один
С каждой серией всё сильнее убеждаюсь в том, насколько сильно личность человека зависит от воспитания и от среды, в которой он живёт. Джеффу изначально было непросто: родители особо им не занимались, вечные ссоры дома, тотальное одиночество и ещё на тот момент не столь толерантное общество. Не знаю, повлияли на него как-то огромное количество таблеток, которые его мать на протяжении всей беременности пила, но я лично считаю, что именно обстановка вокруг его сделало таким "монстром". Мне жаль его как человека, но не как серийного убийцу.

Больше всего у меня подгорел пукан, когда полицейских просто пожурили и все

В конце отец, узнав о попытке суицида бывшей жены, пообещал позвонить второму сыну, чтобы поддержать его. Но видимо тут же забыл и продолжил заниматься своими делами. Странно, что у него только один сын маньяком вырос с таким отношением

Все ещё есть надежда, что тех двоих "супер-патрульных" все же вышвырнули из полиции, ибо это просто жесть. Складывается ощущение, что они были настолько расистами, что может в какой-то степени и хотели, чтоб Даммер убивал своих жертв 😑

глаза намокли от сцены с отцом и мамой в конце

Мне всегда было интересно, как люди оказываются в ситуации с подобными обстоятельствами. Почему появляются такие мысли, почему они повторяющиеся, ведущие к компульсии от которой не уйти?
В этой серии кажется, что он вот-вот ответит, почему. Или может папа. Или бабушка. Или копы.
Понравилось, как в этой серии нас ведут к размышлениям о том, почему он стал тем, кем стал. Существует ли абсолютное зло или это всегда просто стечение разных обстоятельств. Его папа, который точно облажался, мама, которая оставила свои засечки на его психике. Общество, которое толкает или закрывает глаза. Как бабушка, которая предпочитала не видеть.
У меня остаётся ощущение, что потенциальную патологию, ставшую триггером всех событий, так и не увидели. Что его мозг мог бы натолкнуть на какие-то ответы и что хоть он и признан вменяемым, вряд ли он на самом деле здоров.
Но дело не только в нём одном. Вся эта история, как и история с Чикатило - результат огромного количества случайностей и ужасных обстоятельств. Ну и конечно, дело рук конкретного человека.

no

Oh, come on. Ed Gein was remembered. Another creepy character in real life...

I like so much how Jeffrey's father tries to shift the blame completely to his mother for her pills (+ she didn't take him on her hands, you see), not seeing the reality that it was he who taught him to cut animals. Such denial through shifting blame is amazing. Everyone is good, Jeff is a separate frame, but Dad has no comments at all.

Так отлично передали все сцены из реальности, вот это я понимаю, как режиссёр передал всю атмосферу

Здорово, что выделили отдельно серию про суд, реакцию окружающих и переживания родителей жертв и Дамера. Хоть они особо видно не раскаялись в том, что забили на воспитание ребёнка, какая-то доля сожаления к ним есть, тяжело принять что твой сын психопат и убийца.
Теперь захотелось документалку посмотреть.
Отсылку к Гейлу еще сделали, они действительно похожи.

указательный палец, мизинец и большой 💔

райан мерфи сделал шедевр, потрясающе снято

Ну, с кем не бывает по всей видимости.

Больше всего расстраивает неадекватность отца Дамера. Его сын такие ужасные вещи натворил, а тот всё ещё хочет, чтоб его чуть ли не оправдали, и жалеет его до последнего. Да я бы на его месте уже давно бы отказался от такого сына. Он вообще понимает, сколько горя принёс его сын другим семьям? Да как он бы потом выходил на улицу, зная, что его сына оправдали, как бы смотрел в глаза бы тем людям? Что ж, видимо, своя рубашка ближе к телу, и ему просто плевать на справедливость. Лишь бы его сыну было хорошо.

Is the father really violent too? Am I talking about his story about bombs and the girl he wanted to do whatever he wanted with, or is this fiction?

I would have just run away at the moment when I heard it, if I were his wife. Suddenly, his cuckoo went because of the capture of his son and he started doing something similar and would start with her.

Just from those episodes with animals, a worm on a fishing trip, constant conversations with my son about porn - he also seemed maniacal to me. He is aggressive, but at the same time he looks very cute in front of everyone, which is usually what happens to all maniacs (you never think about them).

A father with his stupidest idea of showing a child downed animals, of course, could contribute to the formation of his son as a maniac, but I think even without this, sooner or later he realized that he liked it. At school, for example, when they were slaughtering pigs or in a butcher shop, etc. He was just born like that - pills, surgery, or his father's genes, but the fact is the fact. Since he didn't need love, he wanted to be in charge and tell what to do, and the living didn't do what he wanted for long - that's all.

I don't know how those two m**aks can sleep peacefully, realizing that the child managed to escape in a terrible state, and they returned him to the maniac so that he killed him?!

as I understand it, all the other episodes will be about trial + life in prison. I don't think it will be interesting either, but the actors are still pulling it out.
a beautiful shot with Lionel in court, where all the other people are oblivious. to be honest, I feel sorry for him, even considering that most of it is fictional. I can't imagine myself in his place. I probably wouldn't have found the strength to go out for a very long time, and even more so to come to court.

I really hope that by the end of the series the guilty policemen will be punished, although in fact everything is going to that and it would be very logical.
Of course, it's strange to expect a really scary story (and the realization that all this really happened makes it scary) to have a good ending, but I want justice to prevail, to the best of my ability.

Was there a black bishop in reality?Judging by the fact that the cops were not just returned, but one of them was still able to become the head of the union - no. The shit about my father and the fact that he also had such thoughts was annoying. And stop blaming your parents, tell me what does the fact that they disliked him have to do with the fact that he ate his victims, fucked them dead and generally wanted to make them zombies so that they would be obedient? But the fact that the mother ate phenobarbital and morphine during pregnancy (she had a difficult pregnancy) could very well affect the development of the fetus. And do not forget that she herself is clearly not completely healthy and was in a psychiatric hospital. So if the parents are to blame, it's probably indirectly. In general, I think that if a person has some kind of mental problems, then he should not have children, why pass it all on.

My father recently cried that he left Jeffrey alone. He immediately finds out that his second son is worried that his mother almost died and - I'll call him.... People don't change and it's sad

When the lawyer started talking about a similar case, he immediately thought about Ed Gein. I wonder if his story will be used as the basis for the second season? There are, of course, Ted Bundy and John Gacy, who look like the most likely candidates. Although, maybe someone less "hyped" will be taken.
- He read it in a comic book! The lost generation. Who draws such comics at all?
It's quite "funny", considering that there is a graphic novel about Dahmer, "My Friend Dahmer", which was created by his classmate.

I guess I should feel sorry for his father and mother, but I'm not sorry. I can understand some of their actions, but the father was a bastard, and he stayed, the mother was weak and hysterical, and she stayed, and all this was passed on to her son. yes, everything is shown realistically, but did it really not occur to you that a necrophiliac cannibal maniac should get what he deserved, and not "oh, well, pretend to be sick there"? even the killer himself didn't want to prove anything, didn't want to fight, just wanted to die, and probably always wanted to, since childhood. his own despair is perfectly shown, and that the darkness has long swallowed him up.

I understand why commentators are outraged that parents did not turn away from their son after they learned about such a terrible truth, but on the other hand, they know him not only as a cruel murderer, but also as maybe a strange, but still, well, as not such a lost person. this is their son, of course, parents will have mixed feelings about everything that is happening and it is not at all surprising if they try to help their child in some way. like, to take it so abruptly and completely turn away from him is also not so easy. even the mother, who had long ago abandoned her father and son, also could not renounce Jeff, felt guilty and all that. imho, but just the behavior of the parents here is absolutely understandable. well, yes, that's what their moral freak turned out to be, but this moral freak is their son, and parents can continue to love even a creature like him.

I was just wondering where my mother had been for 15 years, and if she had ever contacted Jeff, when she showed up. I can understand her in a feminine way, but I can't forgive her.

Dahmer, who was first visited by his father in prison:
- Did you finally fix that air conditioner?
Father's face:

Зж
Юг земли 🇦🇿

i’m DESPISED by his father’s character at this point

Dahmer did not know from childhood what parental love was, did not feel the warmth in the family, and his father showed how to cut animals. Of course, what will the psyche of a little boy be like after all this, what will happen to such a person when his little brain absorbs everything that is happening around every day? Dahmer is a terrible man and deserved to be executed, but his parents are primarily to blame for not bringing him up, and that he became like this

Of course, it was hard with the police, they closed their eyes, and they were restored, I like Dahmer's courage to admit that he did everything consciously, he liked it, but education is still to blame for his formation.. I watched it and I don't know, mixed emotions to the point of horror... And the fact is, it's terrible, his story 🙈

It seems that everything is already clear, I wonder what the other 2 episodes are about

I don't know why, but that's how calmly I watched the scene in court and how I started shaking at my father's monologue after the verdict
Maybe it was acting, maybe it was the ambiguity of the attitude to the situation, but it turned out very strongly