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s02e07 — Daes Dae'Mar

The Wheel of Time — s02e07 — Daes Dae'Mar

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Duration: 65 min.
Released: 29.09.202329.09.2023 15:00
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2 season
s02e07
s01e08 - The Eye of the World
s02e01 - A Taste of Solitude
s02e02 - Strangers and Friends
s02e03 - What Might Be
s02e04 - Daughter of the Night
s02e05 - Damane
s02e06 - Eyes Without Pity
s02e07 - Daes Dae'Mar
s02e08 - What Was Meant To Be

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Nog
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29 Sep 2023, 10:51 #
N-yes, a terrific stupidity plan. We have a Reborn Dragon, so let's keep him captive, so that he sits in the basement, does not learn to direct the Force, does not fight with the Dark One's minions, and when the time comes, he will probably just come out and snap his fingers, and all the Forsaken and the Dark One himself will immediately be scared and surrender, no other way.
Not to mention what kind of mind-blowing gratitude you can expect from him after that to Aes Sedai in general.
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29 Sep 2023, 17:51 #
@Nog: but it's very much in the book - Elaida wanted it very much, and they showed well how short-sighted it is.
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cybran42
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29 Sep 2023, 11:40 #
Bring back the writer of the last series, she at least more or less adhered to the canon.
And here what? Moiraine follows Lanfear on the Way... Everything was turned upside down.

Almost no one knew about the Dragon before Callandor. Yes, there was a battle in the clouds. And then he was seen for the first time, but he did not declare himself intentionally.
In the series, every grandmother already knows who Rand is.

It's a pity there won't be portal stones and much more. The screenwriters give us crumbs of canonical details to calm us down, but it looks like bones from the master's table.

And well, again this drama of Moiraine, that everyone is so fussed with her. Books about three guys. Well, in my opinion, she is a more dramatic character in the book.
Can I please throw Rafe Judkins out the window.
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жрецки_ктулху
29 Sep 2023, 14:52 #
@cybran42: >>>Books about three guys

*looks with interest at the number of chapters of wonder girls*
ahahahaha
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cybran42
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30 Sep 2023, 00:37 #
@priest_ctulhu: Absolutely. Nynaeve, Egwene, Elaine, Aviendha, Min and many others are important. But the main plot revolves around these three. Remove them and there will be no main plot.
Although I like Egwene's line more than Perrin's, at the level of Matrim and Rand.
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starbuck
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29 Sep 2023, 21:24 #
Moiraine is not following Lanfir, but Rand. Well what are you watching the series about
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cybran42
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30 Sep 2023, 00:39 #
@starbuck: Moiraine will cut down the forsaken at the meeting. He won't even talk. Unlike Rand.
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ViktoryMartini
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29 Sep 2023, 12:32 #
Fire series 🔥 How I like Lanfear. Although she is a negative character in theory, but causes more sympathy than the same Aes Sedai, her motives are more or less clear and she does not pretend to be someone she is not. Aes Sedai under good intentions and pomposity do what they want, regardless of someone's opinions and destinies especially, at least I got the impression (I haven't read the books yet, but there are plans). I'm still really waiting for Egwene to be released
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29 Sep 2023, 18:14 #
@ViktoryMartini: I agree, the power corrodes even the 3000-year-old foundations of the tower.
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Ines
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07 Oct 2023, 22:44 #
@ViktoryMartini: yeah, I'm walking down the street, a fireball to the right - the hut is on fire, a fireball to the left - some kind of craftsman is flying, nice motivation(
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the episode aired 29.09.2023
saintdavis
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29 Sep 2023, 15:16 #
Sophie in the role of the Amyrlin Throne is simply amazing, But why are they doing this with Siuan (It is clear that following the books completely is not a very sound idea, but the shield, to capture the Dragon, to shield it with a shield in anticipation of the Last Battle, was not the goal of this Amyrlin. Yes, and something early pushed their foreheads.

Moiraine still takes my attention completely, I really like that Rosamund is given a lot of screen time, according to the books she really played an important role in the whole action. Although this is not particularly surprising, because Pike also produces the series, And for all her coldness, Moiraine was faithful to her mission, which really bought into her. Well, finally she got her strength back.

I was also a little surprised that Verin "burned down" so quickly. Since Siuan understood what was going on, what would she do next? We'll take a look. Nevertheless, I sincerely hope that the notebook there is replenished with records in a timely manner :D

And God, how infuriating Liandrin is, everything is just like in the books 😂🖤
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29 Sep 2023, 18:16 #
@saintdavis: yes, I was also surprised about Xuan, but the role of Verin was shown like a book. Although I liked the Xuan solution, unexpectedly!
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29 Sep 2023, 18:09 #
If the previous series was very in tune with the canon, then this series has mixed everything, especially the combination of Lanfear and Moiraine. But something else rather bothers me - this series needs not 8 episodes, but 10! There is too little screen time to show the drama of intrigues (such as Barteness). There is a feeling of a crumpled plot - everything is straight gallop gallop.

I really liked the line with Rand and the split of Aiz Seidai around him. Very canonically, it is shown that part wants to subdue him in general, the other part to lock him in a cage and actually make the damani of the White Tower. That's why the montage shows us so well, first Randa, and then Egwene, comparing how similar their situations are, to make both weapons for a good purpose (the last battle), depriving both of the freedom to choose and the opportunity to grow as a person. And only a few Aes Sedai understand that a Dragon will not be able to fly while sitting in a cage. I was surprised how the writers changed Alana's line, although now her motivation in the book is more clear. I think the solution is Suan/The Amyrlin is dictated by fear and the desire to keep Moiraine, and to keep the past, relying on the law and at the same time losing trust in each other.
The situation with Rand showed very well that he is actually powerless so far and survives on the contradictions between the Forsaken and Aiz Seidai (for me this is straight from the book). He has to humiliate himself, trust no one, and be alone.

And yes, according to treleir for the last series, I realized that there would be 8 Forsaken and they would be opposed by 8 friends (Rand, Egwene Nynaeve, Perrin, Mat, Min, Elayne, Aviendha). It remains to understand which of the Forsaken will be.
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ViktoryMartini
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29 Sep 2023, 21:54 #
The series in season 2 has become so interesting that 8 episodes are very few, I agree with you
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Elik33
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29 Sep 2023, 22:57 #
The worst thing is that the series are released once a week (for me personally), Netflix has spoiled us too much)
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Ien_Kelly
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29 Sep 2023, 18:17 #
The episode evokes controversial feelings. Especially because of Siuan. Circumstances have changed compared to the books. The audience with Rand happens later, and he doesn't know how to do anything. He can't do anything without a male teacher who can teach him how to control saidin, flows, and so on, but when did such little things bother Aes Sedai? Moiraine is cut off from the Source and has lost control of the Dragon in Siuan's opinion. And so Siuan decides to be Aes Sedai to the core and keep Rand captive until the very Last Battle. And at first it sounds even logical, but... why does it sound like Elaida? We know that it will be in the third season and those who have read the books can guess what it means for the future. So what are the differences between them? How does Xuan Rand think he should fight the Last Battle if he spends his whole life in captivity? Who will train him? Why would the world follow a Dragon that is on a leash to the White Tower? How then is he different from some False Dragon? How will he proclaim himself if he is always protected by Aes Sedai? How will he fulfill the Prophecies? Yes, so far they have not been mentioned so much. But we have already heard about the flaming sword in Falma and branded hands. And we have already heard mentions of Tyre and the Stronghold of Tyre. That's what confuses me in the local Suan. I do not believe that this is the effect of Coercion. That would be too pathetic a move. But I can't help but think that the book Xuan would never have done that, because she understood that the Dragon could not do anything in such conditions and the world would be doomed. But paradoxically, one moment I like how it is done in the confrontation between Moiraine and Siuan. Siuan has put literally everything to do as she wants, not Moiraine. I used my vows to stop her. And failed. And I doubt that this failure will be hidden from the Tower. This makes what should happen more plausible than in the books.

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29 Sep 2023, 18:22 #
@Ien_Kelly: I agree the decision of the screenwriters with Suan helps to better understand her further story from the books. She first breaks down from the inside, ceasing to trust her relationship with Moiraine, her vows, trusting the young herself, and then "a broken Amyrlin will be more convenient for the Shadow" (Lanfear) and what will happen next. Very cool showed the evolution of the image.
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Ien_Kelly
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29 Sep 2023, 18:27 #
@Ien_Kelly: But what I like is how Aes Sedai began to be shown from different sides. Although I don't like the move with Xuan, it opens up an interesting topic that flashed throughout the cycle. Aes Sedai are not holy defenders of justice. They are not "servants of all things." They are women, the only ones in the world with great power, and they use it often for their own sake. They are great manipulators, those who invented the Game of Houses. Those who control entire nations and are able to displace kings and queens. And for the whole cycle, they don't want to be the ones who go after the Dragon. They want to be the ones who will control his every action. For them, he is a dangerous tool that will have to be used when the time comes. And for them, Moiraine is a woman whose sacred mission and undoubted benefit is the ability to keep him under control. And how unhappy they are when they realize that it is not so easy to keep a male guide under control.
By the way, it reminded me of the scene from the Eye of the World where Egwene asks Moiraine about male guides. She immediately understands what Egwene wants to hear as an answer. But Moiraine immediately tells her that she may not like the answer.
"You want to know that Aes Sedai are kind and sinless, that it was the vicious and evil men from legends who caused the World to break Apart, not women. Yes, they were men, but they were no more vicious than any other men. They were reckless, but they didn't embody evil. The Aes Sedai you will meet in Tar Valon are the same people, they are no different from any other women, except for the gift that sets us apart. They are brave and cowardly, strong and weak, kind and cruel, warm–hearted and cold. Becoming an Aes Sedai won't change who you are."
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Ien_Kelly
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29 Sep 2023, 18:41 #
@Ien_Kelly: This episode perfectly shows the gap that will only increase between the White Tower, Aes Sedai and Rand. His distrust, his constant suspicion of women who can guide. The screenwriters sowed the seeds. We just have to wait to see how it pays off.

Finally, we saw the birth of the legendary book ties of Rand and Lan. A conversation about the racks, how to behave with the Amyrlin, and of course, "whatever happens, stand firmly on your feet." The wait was worth it.

Moiraine and Rand's interaction is excellent. His determination to take down her shield and his willingness to confront Lanfear to protect Moiraine. An excellent preparation for an imminent change in the balance of power in the relationship between these two.

It's a pity that without Portal Stones. After all, the flicker scene is one of the most legendary in the cycle. Maybe they will embody it further in the cycle, but I doubt it.

It's not clear with Matt. Obviously, the actor's departure in the first season greatly disrupted the plans. We are waiting for the 8th series, obviously he will fulfill part of his book role. But as for the dagger and Rand... I've seen a lot of theories, I wonder how the screenwriters implement everything in the end.

Lanfear is incomparable. If at first I had some doubts, then in the last episodes they completely melted away. Natasha is perfect for this role. But what they decided to use the Waygate to transfer to Falme Randa, Lana, Moiraine and Lanfear! complete madness. I wonder what this will lead to.

Every time they show Rand and Alanna next to each other, something breaks in me.

Verin is incomparable. As in the books, actually.

Min, Logain, Leana and Siuan remain in Cairhien. There is something to think about for those who have read books.

Anvair was pleasantly surprised. Bartanes, as in the books, turned out to be a friend of the Dark One. I wonder how this will end for Cairhien?
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29 Sep 2023, 20:46 #
@Ien_Kelly: thanks for the analysis! your words really resonate. oh, what a pity that only one episode remained : (((
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Ien_Kelly
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29 Sep 2023, 20:54 #
@fb1273958: please. I myself first watched the first season, and then decided to read the books. And it went very far, I finished it two months ago. Sometimes I really want to discuss and share my thoughts, after all, the only new content on the Wheel. And yes, it's sad that there's only one episode left. I hope that the third season will not have to wait for about two years again.
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starbuck
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29 Sep 2023, 21:28 #
we have a friendly big chat on the Wheel in the cart, if you want, I can invite you)
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Ien_Kelly
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29 Sep 2023, 21:39 #
@starbuck: yes, I will be grateful)
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starbuck
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29 Sep 2023, 21:55 #
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29 Sep 2023, 22:52 #
@Ien_Kelly: The screenwriters of the film participated in the Hollywood strike (pay increase), it ended only a few days ago. During the strike, all work on the series was suspended, including on this series and Very Strange Things. So I don't even know when the 3rd season will be released.
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fb1273958
29 Sep 2023, 23:25 #
@fb1273958: хотя вот нашел разговор насчет третьего сезона и то, почему этот сезон выглядит так укорочено

https://winteriscoming.net/2023/09/28/lack-promotion-the-wheel-of-time-season-2-incredibly-damanging-viewership/
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scarcelyinside
scarcelyinside
29 Sep 2023, 22:15 #
Everyone was waiting for the portal stone, right? Apparently, we won't get 🤡

A strange series, especially against the background of the previous one. Twitchy storylines went, showed just a little bit, because everyone should be in Falma and "faster, this is a pre-final series."
There are a lot of turning points that will then affect the plot, but we will see the result from them in the next season already.
The series has accelerated, it has become more interesting to watch, but it feels that there is not enough timing for the normal development of the plot. It was possible to do 10 episodes by the hour, it would be better, given the volume of the original source.

The change of the Xuan line is curious, there will be consequences 👀

I don't like Matt's line, there is no consistency in it. In the books, when he appears in Falma, we know him as a person and that he is - so as not to spoiler- a very difficult guy. He literally goes there (and according to the development of the arch), and here once — he is in Tar Valon, two — he is in Cairhien, three — he is in Falma.
Thank you for choosing our airline 🙄

Lanfear goddess, I'm thrilled. She evoked zero emotions in my books, and here you look, and how cool she is.

"I'd offer you a match, but stones is a gentleman's game".
Logain is about to make an enemy of himself in the person of Lan. He had the audacity to blurt out such a thing to the lord of the seven towers, the lord of the lakes, and what else is the master and master there.

And, Chiad is also very beautiful. This is how it turned out to be a book Aviendha from fanarts.
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Vadimboy
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29 Sep 2023, 22:20 #
And I'm glad the portal stones don't show. In my opinion, this is a very complicated and confusing line. To explain more about parallel worlds, alternative wheel turns, etc. 1) This is a huge hassle; 2) It will require no small expenses and special effects. It 's better to let them use the Paths
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scarcelyinside
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29 Sep 2023, 22:25 #
@vk654270: and I agree with you on all points, but I wanted to, even if this wishlist is irrational, Well, you can always reread this part in books-mark it.
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Nog
Nog
29 Sep 2023, 22:28 #
@vk654270: yes, straight, the theory of multiverse is generally in use now, just voicing the basic introductory about alternative realities in the words of the same Verin would be more than enough. There are no special effects needed there more than for the main narrative, just the same characters in different circumstances.
In this regard, the trip to Ruidin will be much more difficult to implement, and it is much more important.
Elfin and Ilfin, obviously, will not be either, so it would be really difficult to reveal them in the series. But still, for Matt to find out his past lives over a cup of tea... Somehow this is too economical.
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Vadimboy
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29 Sep 2023, 22:28 #
Let them better save some money for a spectacular battle in Falma) I hope it will be really spectacular and will not be limited to blowing up barrels of fire on the side of the road, as Lanfear did in this series)
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Vadimboy
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29 Sep 2023, 22:32 #
Well, I don't know, in the series, Rand's book passage through the world, where the Dark One won (and where Lanfear met according to the canon, if we were to film the book verbatim), would have taken a whole episode at least. I am quite satisfied with how this branch was changed this season, without twisting the difficulties once again, yet the ent of the Universe is already confusing
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scarcelyinside
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29 Sep 2023, 22:32 #
@vk654270: yes, by the way, maybe they saved the budget for the final makhach, otherwise the schedule in the battle was so sad that season.
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29 Sep 2023, 22:58 #
@Nog: well, maybe Elfin and Ilfin will be - what are you so. They are also important for Lanfear and Moiraine)) and the trick with Matt - there is one moment there, as if I see a Padan Fein (when a dude drowns someone in a vat of water) and it's not a fact that it's all Matt's life, it can only be another lie of Ishmael)
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brisco
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30 Sep 2023, 22:37 #
@fb1273958: I doubt there will be Elfin and Ilvin. The screenwriters simplify the plot to horror. I'm afraid that the terangrial door, which leads to the worlds of foxes and snakes, has been replaced by Ishamael's seagull. He himself said that the seagulls would show past lives, and the fact that it was these creatures who predicted the Daughter of nine moons to Mat as a wife and endowed him with unusual abilities, thanks to which Mat would become a cool commander and find the luck of the Darkest, the screenwriters would budget replace the Forsaken with a magic drink. It's expensive to show two alien worlds in the series, especially since these worlds are not the only ones and then you will have to show the Destroyer, and much more. So seagulls - it's cheap and angry.
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29 Sep 2023, 22:54 #
@scarcelyinside: about Matt - the only explanation is the problems with the previous actor and now the creators of the series do not know how and where to cram him in))
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29 Sep 2023, 23:04 #
@fb1273958: and it's a shame. Of the three guys in the books, Matt was the most interesting, imho of course. And here he seems to be superfluous in the whole story. A character with trickster traits and superfluous, this is where this is seen at all. 😔
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29 Sep 2023, 23:24 #
@scarcelyinside: I just found this link where the producer of the series Raf Judkins talked to the fans (immediately after the end of the writers' strike) and mentioned that Matt will have a special role in the last episode. he also shared some moments about the third season

https://winteriscoming.net/2023/09/28/lack-promotion-the-wheel-of-time-season-2-incredibly-damanging-viewership/
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Nog
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29 Sep 2023, 23:58 #
@fb1273958: well, the readers know this special role and, I'm sure, are looking forward to it and at the same time anxious about its implementation))
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30 Sep 2023, 00:44 #
@Nog: ;-)
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30 Sep 2023, 08:53 #
in general, in the second book, Matt was either out or in the bb hospital all the time)) the change of the actor has nothing to do with it)
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brisco
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30 Sep 2023, 22:39 #
@scarcelyinside: I totally agree, Matt is a very interesting character in the books, I love every chapter where he is told about.
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starbuck
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30 Sep 2023, 08:51 #
Возможно портальных камней не будет вообще. Не забывайте, тут еще Мир Снов показали, в котором очень много действа происходит - м асе это надо показать так, чтобы зрители поняли, что вообще происходит.
С другой стороны камни могут разок показать, но без сильных объяснений, чтобы объяснить быстрые перемещения персонажей.
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30 Sep 2023, 16:52 #
@starbuck: они показывали портальные камни на протяжении всего первого сезона и несколько раз во втором сезоне. Зачем показывать камни со странными письменам, если вы их не хотите потом использовать их в сюжетной ветке? С другой стороны портальные камни за весь книжный цикл были только 2 раза использованы автором (если не ошибаюсь), больше было упоминание про Путевые Врата.

Вот что меня пока удивляет, почему Отрекшиеся не пользуются Перемещением или пользуются? Как Ланфир или кто-то из ее подопечных доставил Мэта так быстро в Фалм?
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30 Sep 2023, 19:01 #
@fb1273958: да вроде показали, подразумевали по крайней мере, что они быстро могут оказаться где им надо. И Линадрин вроде не вратами прошла, а порталом
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01 Oct 2023, 19:26 #
если мне память не изменяет, их просто как путевые отметки-указатели показывали - типа вот по дороге проехали, столько то времени прошло
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29 Sep 2023, 23:49 #
второй сезон значительно лучше принят и цифры просмотров стали приятней, так что я надеюсь амазон им до десяти серий сезоны увеличит, нынешнего восьмисерийного уже не хватает, а ведь дальше сюжет еще плотнее событиями набит.
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christinapirs
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30 Sep 2023, 02:55 #
Опять этот "несуществующи" саундтрек, уже третью серию шазамлю, но из-за того что он не был релизнут и не факт что будет, его нигде нет (момент, где Ланфир поджигает город)
Очень понравилось высказывание Девушки-аил над могилой, что жизнь это сон, и надо проснуться, чтобы прожить ещё один, типо того - шикарно
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christinapirs
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30 Sep 2023, 02:56 #
I would like to believe that Lanfear will go against the dark one and unite all our people under his command, and the Dragon, and Liandrin (she has already come to her), and Moiraine with Lan - it is clear that it is unlikely, but you can dream)
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christinapirs
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30 Sep 2023, 03:01 #
bliiiin, there's still one episode left this year and that's it ((and again two years?(((
I hope there will be a grand finale in series 8, everyone will meet in Falma - it's time, they've been going there all together all season, maybe they'll finally get there
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Nog
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30 Sep 2023, 14:08 #
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zamizami
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30 Sep 2023, 14:45 #
my lanfear fangerling is gaining momentum, well, how fucking awesome it is! fire-woman🔥

I looked at igwein with a hidden hope, not wanting to believe that she had finally been broken!
- I'll kill you
didn't break our girl, oh didn't break😏

Sister Moiraine's act shows that these two are much more similar than they themselves may seem. their loyalty to their principles is stronger than any attachments, even the closest and most tremulous.
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bulidze
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30 Sep 2023, 19:00 #
I can't get used to Aviendha. Chiad and Bain are cool. It was well shown in the series that everyone ail cook with this ji and toh
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soyjakeee
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01 Oct 2023, 07:35 #
well, friend, did you show up? such a surprised face at the end when Moiraine dumped her, and actually, what did you expect, honey....

Lanfear at the beginning seemed like a completely ordinary evil girl from the Call, but in this series she is so gorgeous, the girl boss of the vibe. I understand that she probably won't change much as a character, but in principle her logic is quite clear and understandable. well, unless she kills everyone around, well, okay, who is not without problems

in general, as a result, it is interesting to look only at the plot of Egwene, Moiraine and everything that happens with Ishamael (he has very fruti vibes so and so I keep waiting and nothing happens 👀). Perrin is walking with a dog somewhere, a princess with a victim of the matrix is solving some Disney problems how to get a friend out of the tower, Matt?... Well, he is... Did you drink tea? I don't understand at all what exactly his role is in the whole story, except how to kill Rand, but it rather depends on how badly the series conveys this issue. or is it just my problems \_(ツ)_/

and probably it's the ladies from the scarlet sails at the end of the previous season, who tested who was cooler when they tried to wash the girl off the beach, yeah.....
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sunshine_lika
sunshine_lika
03 Oct 2023, 12:50 #
I haven't read the books in this series.
I don't really like Moiraine, I can't understand her in any way to impress her.
Lanfear is a miracle, like red, both know what they want and know the price.
I really like the storyline with Damani, Egwene and Reina (?)what's her name...the face and behavior in general are very interestingly painted. To me, their purpose and means are also clear. Only Perrin and Matt are all wrong and not here.
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SpringSpark
SpringSpark
04 Oct 2023, 23:51 #
Damn, it seems Moiraine and Siuan have broken up. :(
The broken Amyrlin is a good lead–up to the split, this storyline originates very logically and creates an additional conflict. (I really want to see the Keeper flirting left and right, so I hope that this will not be changed)
It's a very strange feeling from watching. There are so many changes, but they seem fine, and it is clear where and why they lead. And it looks fascinating.
Although I'm disappointed with the scenes with Matt. Replaced Ter'angreal and fox with hallucinogens from Ishmael? And how he loves to touch the Ta'veren! Excuse me, but where is the scar on the neck, where is the hat, where is the spear? On the one hand, after the dagger, you can show how easily Matt turns off the straight path (which was not in the books), and continue to warm up conflicts. But I want my damn favorite Matt, swearing in ancient languages and a squad of Hands! Please don't mock him for the second season in a row.
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fb1273958
fb1273958
06 Oct 2023, 06:56 #
@SpringSpark: I agree the changes look very good. If my memory serves me right, Matt began to speak the ancient language even before the chanterelles, so I hope that we will see them again next season.
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FlorisT
FlorisT
08 Oct 2023, 18:00 #
I thought that Matt, played by a new actor, would still like it someday, but no, a miracle did not happen even by episode 7. It's a pity, in the first season this character was significantly charismatic, despite not such a great timing.
In general, I like, especially Rosamund Pike, just an amazing actress! And her guardian🤌
And yes, after the series, I'm still going to read books, because my brain can't put up with a bunch of holes and stupid turns))
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Redopera
Redopera
09 Oct 2023, 21:28 #
Interesting character ETA Lanfir, the actress is still selected by the way
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Сериальщик732
Сериальщик732
10 Oct 2023, 09:50 #
It's a pity she didn't erase this brazen main one into powder. The mob blew up , the one who is not needed 🤦
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oswannie
oswannie
26 Oct 2023, 22:52 #
maybe someone will help me here. is this a joint of screenwriters, or is there a logical explanation for how a brown Aes Sedai lied to another Aes Sedai about the Amyrlin ordering to come to help defend the city?
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fb1273958
04 Nov 2023, 10:07 #
@oswannie: она, как истинная айз седай не соврала, а изменила правду таким образом, что это не совсем ложь. она не сказала, что амерлин дала ей приказ, она не дала никакой конкретики :))
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FlorisT
FlorisT
04 Nov 2023, 13:51 #
@fb1273958: изменить правду - это и есть солгать.. и неважно в каком количестве и с какими ухищрениями. Кроме того, утаивание правды или недосказанность - это тоже ложь, хоть и хитро скрытая, так что просто опустим на это глаза, потому что именно на этом принципе выстроен весь кодекс айз седай , получается))
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Nog
Nog
04 Nov 2023, 14:53 #
@FlorisT: против утаивания правды клятвы у Айз Седай нет :) Айз Седай никогда не лжет, но правда, которую она говорит, может не быть той правдой, которую, по-твоему, ты слышишь.
Верин сказала: "Амерлин нуждается в твоей помощи для защиты Кайриэна. Мне сказали наблюдать за мальчиком". В этих словах нет прямой лжи.
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FlorisT
FlorisT
05 Nov 2023, 19:48 #
@Nog: да я понимаю, они вводят в заблуждение.. по мне так это сродни лжи. То есть они говорят правду таким образом, чтобы ты услышал то, что хочешь, а не то, что на самом деле происходит. Просто игра в слова получается. По сути логично, если тебя связывают такие суровые клятвы. Но не оправдывает для меня их такие методы. Для сюжета впрочем это всегда изюминка, так что почему бы нет)
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Woodscream
Woodscream
20 Nov 2023, 18:04 #
Капец у пыстыников ритуал, избили хорошенько а теперь пошли бухать теперь мы друзья 😁.
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Lady_Starlight
Lady_Starlight
04 Dec 2023, 04:12 #
Почему никто не пишет, какая красивая юная Морейн! Я вообще-то прихожу сюда кивать или негодовать по поводу комментариев, а не строчить их.
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DanechkaK
DanechkaK
13 Jan 14:45 #
Интересная серия. Особенно Ланфир, она прекрасна, её наряд и её мощь, пол города разнесла ❤️ Суан даже сделать ничего не могла. Вот она Амерлин, мне ещё интересно как она вообще ей стала. Её отношение к Морейн оскарбительно.. Сестра Морейн молодец, переступила через себя и сделала правильно, избавившись от предателя, как же не было жалко.. Конец серии вообще прекрасен, она прям шикарна, Морейн и Ланфир шикарны!
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limbo
limbo
17 Jan 15:32 #
Ланфир эталонная Доминатрикс в своём кресле, канеш.

Я бы ей лизнул туфельку, бгг.
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g1217882
g1217882
27 Jan 21:57 #
Из Амерлин сделали сплав Суан и Элайды. Ланфир с Ишамаэлем настолько сильны, что могли бы и башню вместе с драконом с землей сравнять
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