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Duration: 69 min.
Released: 15.09.202315.09.2023 15:00
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2 season
s02e05
s01e08 - The Eye of the World
s02e01 - A Taste of Solitude
s02e02 - Strangers and Friends
s02e03 - What Might Be
s02e04 - Daughter of the Night
s02e05 - Damane
s02e06 - Eyes Without Pity
s02e07 - Daes Dae'Mar
s02e08 - What Was Meant To Be

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vs40
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15 Sep 2023, 12:27 #
Someone was a bad boy...
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vs40
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15 Sep 2023, 12:28 #
And he will be punished...
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Liyuuuuunder
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16 Sep 2023, 12:37 #
@vs40: in this shot, she looks like a sandman😅
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Nog
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15 Sep 2023, 12:31 #
Well, everything gradually develops into a more or less harmonious picture, the paths of the heroes begin to converge to the city of Falme. Admittedly, I don't remember if it was already revealed in the books at this time that Lady Suroth serves the Dark One, but here it definitely allows us to draw up some kind of general picture of Ishamael's plans - a powerful army of Seanchan who don't know who they serve, broken and captive friends, processing Lanfear, and all in order to win A dragon in the Last Battle.

I liked Aviendha. Maybe the cheeks are a little too rounded for a desert dweller :) but otherwise, she is very much in character - she knows how to fight, treats wetlanders condescendingly, if not contemptuously, is able to joke and listen to reasonable arguments. A great character potentially, in general.

I have a sad feeling about Moiraine's relatives. Lanfear rarely spares anyone... And Moiraine knows that, but she doesn't really count on possible victims. A tough character.
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Nog
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15 Sep 2023, 13:11 #
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15 Sep 2023, 13:12 #
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ViktoryMartini
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15 Sep 2023, 13:12 #
How gorgeous she is in this image 🔥
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15 Sep 2023, 15:19 #
@ViktoryMartini: Mistress and such bdsm mmm)) who needs a flat nudity when there is such a kinky)
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15 Sep 2023, 15:00 #
@Nog: it was especially sad to find out the name of Moiraine's nephew - it was interesting to wrap up the storyline from the book.
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Nog
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15 Sep 2023, 12:41 #
Another small educational program about Seanchan for non-readers to help navigate the concepts. Perhaps it will be revealed in the series, but with a guarantee I would not rely on it.

Shaving heads is another sign of a high position, as are long nails. The more shaved, the higher the position; only members of the imperial family shave their heads with a role.

Damani are women who are able to channel the Force, who were put in the service of the empire. They are considered in fact things or, at best, animals or pets.
Sul'dam are women who control and control damani with the help of special collars and leashes. They enjoy considerable respect.
Marat'damani - Damani who have not yet been caught and forced to serve. In particular, all Aes Sedai are considered such.
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ViktoryMartini
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15 Sep 2023, 13:13 #
Thanks for the clarification, this is really sometimes not enough when viewing ❤️
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christinapirs
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17 Sep 2023, 02:47 #
@ViktoryMartini: and I just automatically think, oh, a new beautiful word like in this series Marat damani - well, this Old Tongue means local)
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ajcrvr
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17 Sep 2023, 21:48 #
@Nog: I feel like a fat spoiler, but - and how exactly are they forced to serve? Only collars and leashes?
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Nog
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17 Sep 2023, 22:33 #
@ajcrvr: I don't want to go into too much detail, it will definitely be shown one way or another, because the key moment for the plot. But I did not call them special for nothing, these are Ter'angreals, which create a specific connection between Sul'dam and Damani and give the former almost complete control over the latter.
Although there is also a psychological factor, since the Seanchan culture has been dominated for centuries by the idea that women who are able to channel the Force simply cannot help but be Damani, most of them take this state of affairs for granted.
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ajcrvr
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17 Sep 2023, 22:54 #
@Nog: You read my mind. I was most interested in the psychological factor. Well, it's clear that collars are magic and they will tell us, but the fact that women with Power so calmly agree to it is just amazing. Although... if you brainwash generations, then they will not know that it is possible otherwise.
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Lanfir777
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30 Sep 2023, 16:41 #
@ajcrvr: I don't know if it will be shown further, but the books describe in detail why and why these collars with bracelets were created and how much they forgot everything. Actually, when Egwene will be rescued, they must show the reverse side of the connection between Sul'da and Domani
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30 Sep 2023, 16:55 #
@Lanfir777: they partially revealed the history of creation and why these collars exist, and apparently they will show us another connection between Sul'da and Damani in the last episode.
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ViktoryMartini
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15 Sep 2023, 13:12 #
The series in the second season rocked, became much livelier and more interesting. I watch every episode without stopping. I don't like Moiraine this season. It seems that she herself decided that she could decide the fate of people without thinking much about the damage, the main thing is to do it with an arrogant expression on her face. The same red Isadai, although a negative character, but causes me much more sympathy.
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Glownesstock
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15 Sep 2023, 16:18 #
I didn't like Moiraine in the past, but everyone who has read books is burning that no one should like her)
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rarelena
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23 Sep 2023, 18:41 #
@Glownesstock: I don't like her interpretation in the series. This is not the Moiraine I saw in the book. There are emotions right over the edge. And all the time there is some kind of drama. And Moiraine's book was the epitome of mystery
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siberiandragon
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16 Sep 2023, 18:38 #
@ViktoryMartini: I agree, the series has rocked. Moiraine is quite bookish)
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fb1273958
15 Sep 2023, 15:08 #
Cool episode: so many new storylines at once and at the same time they gradually begin to narrow down to the main point (the end of the season). And this episode also contains the most correspondences with the books (perhaps except for the meeting of Aviendha and Perrin, but I understand this change, and Moiraine's nephew). In any case, the series constantly keeps in suspense and the desire to find out what's next :)

I really liked the episodes with Verin - that's how her famous list began), Naiyv really starts to hang up))) and Lanfear starts his game with both men )
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Julie_Julia
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15 Sep 2023, 20:16 #
Did you dance well 💃🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
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christinapirs
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17 Sep 2023, 02:45 #
@Julie_Julia: I hope they will become a couple, they look very bright)
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cybran42
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18 Sep 2023, 01:08 #
@christinapirs: I hope not. At least because it is not where it should be. About a few thousand kilometers.
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18 Sep 2023, 03:54 #
@christinapirs: I hope she will become a couple to someone else and they will show us an epic threesome)))
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Lanfir777
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30 Sep 2023, 16:46 #
@fb1273958: according to the canon, everyone is in love with Rand, so the threesome shines only with Verin and her guards) And Perrin should have his own love line, but so far there has not even been a hint of this character.
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dezmond774
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16 Sep 2023, 09:14 #
Something everyone says that those who sold out to the darkness did it to get something, but so far it looks like a divorce.
Liadrin did not get a young and healthy son, Lanfear did not get a Dragon for a husband. It looks like this Dark One of them can't give anything at all. At least it looks like it.

Readers, explain. Do those who have sold out still have some profit, or are they only fed with promises?
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Smitt
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16 Sep 2023, 15:32 #
@dezmond774: The Dark One is so cut off from the world and in the series it seems (so far) can't influence him in any way at all. Yes, they will get a profit for the bipods, "someday something", and for the top - there are their bonuses, one of them was clearly shown in the frame in this series.
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cybran42
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16 Sep 2023, 21:36 #
@dezmond774: as already said for the chosen ones their buns, I will sign them.
Immortality (but not always pleasant, there were a couple of characters in the book who were in the prison of the Dark One, but on the very edge, so to speak, and even though they were out of time, their bodies almost collapsed, but they could not die. And yet, if the body died, the Dark One could revive the soul in another body, most often this was used as punishment. And for the Dark One, all people, even his chosen ones, are only pawns.)
Access to another source of power, which is not divided into male and female parts, is much stronger than a single force, but rougher. However, it is maddening when overused. In the book, Ishamael was so crazy that he considered himself Dark.
For everyone else, there are only promises of power, power and the opportunity to take the place of the chosen ones.

The same Lanfear needed not a husband, but a sex slave, but a Dragon. But mostly she wanted power.
Ishamael wanted the world to be divided by zero.
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christinapirs
christinapirs
17 Sep 2023, 02:45 #
@cybran42: DIVIDED BY ZERO - how is it, please explain? like, so that everything started from the beginning of time, as it eventually turned out, or is it about something else at all?
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w1semc
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17 Sep 2023, 14:00 #
I think he meant the complete destruction of the world.
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cybran42
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18 Sep 2023, 01:35 #
@christinapirs: as previously answered, the complete destruction of the world. The whole reality. That is, not the destruction of the planet, but everything in general.
Ishamael was an outstanding philosopher of the so-called Era of Legends and he came to the conclusion that the struggle is meaningless, as it will be repeated endlessly and souls will be reborn, suffer and die in this struggle. In the end, the Dark One will win and he decided to save himself and the others from suffering. He was even nicknamed "The Betrayer of Hope."
Oh and also, there are 13 Forsaken, and with the exception of Ishamael, they were all released at about the same time +-.
Ishamael, Demnodred, Sammael, Lanfear, Semirag, Bel'al, Moghidin, Graendal, Mesaana, Asmodian, Aginor, Baltamel, Ravin.
Two have not appeared and there is another one, which apparently has also sunk into oblivion by the will of Amazon.

Merial is one big abuse of the original source. It's not even an adaptation, not even based on motives. And fan fiction is better written. Simply... there are no words.

I read the books three times. The first time some things seemed strange, the second time I understood a lot, and even stopped hating some characters, even one brother of one spoiled person. And the third time I just returned to this interesting world. Although he is not without sins and holes. But still, the series is not even close to this quality.
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18 Sep 2023, 04:07 #
@cybran42: and I'm not such a fundamentalist canon) I understand why they removed some of the Forsaken - not all of them played a very prominent role in the book. It would be great if at least they left these Ishamael, Demnodred, Sammael, Lanfir, Semirag, Moghidin, Graendal, Mesaana, Asmodian. As for Ravin, I'm also not sure how much the series needs him - and whether the same Ishmael can replace him).

It is important to me that the series does not depart from important ideas (the spirit of the book) yet + it's great to see how the screenwriters recycle the material, and not create illustrations for the book. The book, in my opinion, tires with a protracted plot of 14 books (I suspect the author wrote taking into account a commercial contract, as Balzac or Dostoevsky once did).
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cybran42
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18 Sep 2023, 07:44 #
@fb1273958: В целом каждый из них был так или иначе важен.
Ох и жаль Асмодиана не раскрыли. Была бы прекрасная арка искупления.
А сейчас дракона видимо будет обучать, если его вообще будут учить, сумасшедший чел без доступа к источнику?

Да вы правы, некоторые моменты в книгах можно было сократить.
Но пока они так сильно все исковеркали в сюжете, что это нельзя называть адаптацией.
Хотя эта серия, ну в основном линия Эгвейн, Найнив и Илейн больше всего меня порадовала.
А где Том? Он уже должен был появиться.
Ох и эти ногти у шончан, Турак реально мастер меча если может так сражаться.

В целом сериал как среднечковое фентези норм. Но это не Колесо Времени. Либо оооооооооочень отдаленный параллельный мир
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Ram_Abbala
Ram_Abbala
20 Sep 2023, 19:24 #
@cybran42: Это другой и очень странный оборот Колеса)
Мне любопытно другое, покажут ли Элфинн и Илфинн. Они ведь даже в книгах были интригующими и впечатляющими и при этом предельно таинственными
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fb1273958
21 Sep 2023, 07:49 #
@cybran42: Том был в первом сезоне, но пока его здесь нет. Я думаю Лисичек и Змеек покажут - на них много завязано, да и много спецэффектов можно отобразить (я так и вижу темные зеркальные лабиринты типа Битлджуса )))

Как я понял, пока функцию учителя Ранда выполняет Логайн (то же не плохой вариант). Посмотрим, что сценаристы еще придумают ;-)
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cybran42
cybran42
29 Sep 2023, 02:03 #
@fb1273958: как рыба может учить птицу летать? Как Логайн может учить Ранда направлять?
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29 Sep 2023, 18:25 #
@cybran42: по памяти )) пока это было достаточно до встречи с другим учителем. Мне нравятся как сценаристы и создатели сериала исследуют возможности этого мира, а не только копируют слово в слово. Для меня это и делает сериал увлекательным.
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cybran42
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04 Oct 2023, 19:37 #
@fb1273958: он должен показать плетения. Без этого никак.
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18 Sep 2023, 03:59 #
@dezmond774: вы уловили один из моментов конца книжного канона - что это все их фантазия и желания, а Темный если и дает, то мало и самым избранным, отсюда постоянные интриги между сторонниками Темного за лучшее место под солнцем; либо Темному важно сломить человека и наобещать с три короба, а на самом деле... Он (вернее Оно) не совсем то, что они все представляют.

Для меня этот такой вкусный момент по книге - аж сплошная психология о проекциях и теневых сторонах личности))
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Eka-Terina
Eka-Terina
16 Sep 2023, 14:09 #
Не смогла удержаться: кто-нибудь еще заметил 100% сходство с Hall of Echoes из игры Divinity Original Sin 2 ? Просто под копирку)))))) И вообще, визуально 2 сезон все больше и больше напоминает мне эту игру: белые магистры, загадочные волки (как у Ифана из игры), Source points (очки истока), без которых не можешь кастовать, как Морейн в сериале. В общем у меня наметился свой собственный фан-сервис))))

Скриншот The Hall of Echoes ниже:
https://3dnews.ru/assets/external/galleries/2017/09/27/59cb87e6b4182ec40e8b456b/4aa863ed142b9d5b6f5e396b2a960867.png

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siberiandragon
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16 Sep 2023, 18:41 #
@Eka-Terina: так это все из книги, так что тут скорее может быть что создатели игры вдохновились. Но в общем тема с волками вообще частая для фентези (Мартиновские Старки-Варги например), белые плащи и подобные ребята тоже частая идея. Морейн не может кастовать не потому что у неё маны нет, а потому что её отрезали от этой способности вообще, Айз Седай могут выгорать или быть отрезанными (как поступили с Логайном). У Джордана в принципе интересная система в этмо плане)
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Eka-Terina
Eka-Terina
17 Sep 2023, 11:50 #
@siberiandragon: Нет-нет, на самом деле не дискутирую на тему плагиата! Конечно, тема волков и маны широко распространена (очки истока/source points – это немного другое). Просто я ужасный фанат игры, и во 2 сезоне визуально вижу ее отголоски везде, и в случае с визуализацией путей/the ways – прямо в сердечко🥰
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Annelle
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03 Dec 2023, 19:13 #
@Eka-Terina: ха, вот почему мне оно таким знакомым показалось! Но вообще, вероятно, и те и другие вдохновлялись чем-то вроде Дороги Гигантов (Giant's Causeway).
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earnur_lefrait
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@Eka-Terina: And at some point I noticed that the creators of Dragon Age seemed to draw elements from the Wheel of Time: white–cloaked templars (knightly orders that hate magicians with murky types in their hierarchy), Kunari – Seanchan (a formidable force that arrived from overseas, using magicians as slaves and implementing the systemeveryone knows their place and purpose"), Shadow – Tel'Aran'Riod (a parallel world where fantasy and willpower decide everything, and into which magicians can enter at will (well, almost))
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zamizami
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16 Sep 2023, 16:31 #
я уж было подумала, что найнив и илэйн бросили игвейн. даже возмутиться успела!

ланфир, конечно, богиня. она там по сюжету плохая и ужасная, я понимаю, но вы просто посмотрите на нее! я бы за такой смоки айс тоже примкнула бы к темному!
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scarcelyinside
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16 Sep 2023, 22:03 #
Смотрю без сабов в оригинале и не всегда внимательно вслушиваюсь и тут что-то прям дико затупила с этой кайриэнской веткой и всеми Дамодредами. Бартанес про свадьбу и королеву заговорил и я такая чиво 🤯 Пошла гуглить, что тут происходит, а они Галлдриана-то джендерсвопнули. Честно говоря, я вообще про этих двоих забыла, а у них тут свадьба-свадьба, кольца-кольца 😂

Ланфир весьма пугающа. Ща Ранду прилетит от нее по самое эт самое)) Но Наташа О'Кифф такая красивая, I can't- 🤪

Лиандрин все еще какая-то странненькая и сероморальная. Вроде ведет девочек к шончан, но помогает им же сбежать. Опять эти хитрые исполнения клятв что ли? Привести-то привела, но есть, как говорится, нюанс 😂
И почему все дамани с кляпами во рту, а Эгвейн нет. Найнив как обычно ломится не разобравшись, хорошо хоть Илейн у них адекватная.
Авиенда норм вполне, потанцевали хорошо.

"Mat was born mine", говорит Ишамаэль.
И где-то Мэт такой: ага да выкуси 🖕
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cybran42
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18 Sep 2023, 01:40 #
@scarcelyinside: Liandrin is no longer an Aes Sedai, she is a servant of the Dark One and any oaths that can be taken on the Wand can be removed with any other Wand and brought to the Dark One.
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scarcelyinside
scarcelyinside
18 Sep 2023, 16:14 #
@cybran42: да я-то в курсе, а вот нечитавшие наверняка в замешательстве.
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dashing69
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16 Sep 2023, 22:14 #
Мне все же жаль за рекаст Мэта. Я думала будет ок, но с приходом этого актера кажется что можно было в принципе линию Мэта убрать такой он никакой. 😞
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christinapirs
christinapirs
17 Sep 2023, 02:21 #
Непонятно тогда, про какую тьму в себе говорила Ланфир, когда говорила, что её возлюбленный не видел в ней тьму, потому что она её скрывала (в прошлой серии речь была об этом), или она имела в виду, что это уже ПОСЛЕ того, как она присоединилась к Тёмному, было?
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18 Sep 2023, 04:13 #
@christinapirs: возможно тьма в ней была до момента присоединения к Темному. Здорово, что вы это заметили. В одной из книг (по-моему 5 то еcли не ошибаюсь) Ранд тоже задается этим вопросом (как и вы), что возможно Ланфир знала о Темном прежде, чем решила найти Его.
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cybran42
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18 Sep 2023, 07:50 #
@fb1273958: она в целом всегда желала власти, а все остальное шло бонусом.
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christinapirs
christinapirs
17 Sep 2023, 02:24 #
Finally - это когда я услышала наконец новый саундтрек в конце этой и прошлой серий, а не аранжировки треков первого сезона (знаю их всех наизусть, заслушано до дыр за 2 года)
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christinapirs
christinapirs
17 Sep 2023, 02:42 #
Да что ж Эгвейн всё не везёт так(
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fb1273958
18 Sep 2023, 04:14 #
@christinapirs: то ли еще будет ой-ой ой ))
но мне нравится весь этот экшен и драма
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Glownesstock
Glownesstock
20 Sep 2023, 18:07 #
Что, еще хуже будет??
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cybran42
cybran42
21 Sep 2023, 05:10 #
@Glownesstock: ты точно хочешь знать ответ?
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christinapirs
christinapirs
18 Sep 2023, 23:38 #
Так рада увидеть Уилла Тюдора (который племенника Морейн играет) где-то помимо "Сумеречных охотников")
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Zoola
Zoola
06 Oct 2023, 19:40 #
@christinapirs: he still played in the British TV series People, 1-2 seasons there are not bad, you can take a look
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SpringSpark
SpringSpark
19 Sep 2023, 01:17 #
Как ни странно, сериальная Лиандрин мне нравится больше книжной. В книге она просто была плохой, жестокой, дула губки, и у неё было много косичек. Здесь она вся такая неоднозначная. Когда они с Верин встретились, был очень угарный взгляд Верин в конце: мол, bitch please, ты кого тут разводишь.
Морейн становится всё более книжной.
Ланфир – просто отвал всего.
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limbo
limbo
20 Sep 2023, 19:34 #
Меня всё больше захватывает эта незамысловатая история.

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ajcrvr
ajcrvr
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21 Sep 2023, 23:41 #
С каких это пор волки лаять начали? Или в этой вселенной какие-то особые волки?
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cybran42
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29 Sep 2023, 02:03 #
@ajcrvr: yes, dogs hahaha
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fb1273958
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29 Sep 2023, 20:39 #
@cybran42: a good way to test your knowledge about wolves and get rid of stereotypes)
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29 Sep 2023, 20:38 #
@ajcrvr: Actually, wolves bark - psm information
"The vocal repertoire of wolves is very diverse: they growl, and snort, and whine, and squeal, and even bark. However, the most famous wolf howl is a means of communication over long distances."

https://www.moscowzoo.ru/animals/khishchnye/volk/?sphrase_id=528294
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Woodscream
Woodscream
28 Oct 2023, 19:37 #
Ishmael's name was taken from the Jews
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Ram_Abbala
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29 Oct 2023, 09:03 #
@Woodscream: * Ishamael. And yes, it's from the Bible. I'll tell you more, there are Forsaken ones there: Sammael and Asmodian (names of demons). And there is a Rabbi, not to be confused with the word "rabbi". There are also Aginor, Baltamel, Bel'al, Graendal, Mesana, Moghidin, Semirag.
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m1khal
m1khal
30 Oct 2023, 16:07 #
Aviendha is cool, of course, but I hope Gaul was not permanently removed from history, the character in the books was quite impressed

Lanfear is so different, then the hostess of the tavern, then Maleficent) The actress is very coolly chosen, in general, I really like all the new characters of the second season in terms of caste, except that the high Lord Turak is somehow less charismatic than I remember from the books.
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DanechkaK
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11 Jan 20:28 #
Leandrin will turn into darkness.. Sorry.. Oh, Lanfear, daughter of the night, my God, she's beautiful, especially her image at the end, just Divine! A woman who has a sore ass from whips that are in the dust, flying away, immediately guessed that Leandrin was muddying the water! Moiraine is gorgeous in any outfit! Come on, she's always BEAUTIFUL! ❤
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g1217882
g1217882
27 Jan 17:58 #
Сезон идет по нарастающей. Все пути ведут в Фалме. Осталось направить туда Ранда и Мэта
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