s01e02 — Never Mind

Name: Patrick Melrose: Season 1, Episode 2 - Never Mind
Genre: Comedy, Drama
Released: 2018-05-19
Rating: 4.452
Cast: Benedict Cumberbatch, Jennifer Jason Leigh, Hugo Weaving, Sebastian Maltz, Jessica Raine

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Duration:	60 min.
Released:	19.05.2018^{20.05.2018 04:00}
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MayaRebel

20 May 2018, 13:34 #

A terrible series, after watching, and during, it became uncomfortable

tataloseva

PRO

20 May 2018, 14:22 #

With such a sick father and an indifferent mother, it's not surprising that Patrick became a teenager. After this episode, you feel even more for the main character.

Valyava

20 May 2018, 19:01 #

The only thing I don't understand is how the father got such power in the family?
His dad got rid of him, he is naked, barefoot, the owner of the profession (I may be mistaken), completely financially owned by his wife. His wife fears and hates him, and so does his son.
This is not Victorian England, but the 80s. What kind of tin, in short, explain?

tyrell

PRO

20 May 2018, 19:18 #

@Valyava: google gaslighting, narcissistic abuse

Valyava

20 May 2018, 20:37 #

@tyrell: Yes, just the characters from the textbook, thank you

helggaolgga

31 May 2018, 16:38 #

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Valyava

31 May 2018, 20:30 #

@helggaolgga: nothing is impossible for a person with intelligence.

helggaolgga

31 May 2018, 23:29 #

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ninefrei

21 May 2018, 18:20 #

@Valyava: since this is Patrick's childhood, it's more likely the 50s and 60s, the whole world was coming to its senses after World War II + yes, abuse in full

ВоВсеДнепрянские

20 Aug 2018, 22:16 #

@Valyava: well, actually, the action of this series takes place in the 60s

kaluginnn

PRO

01 Nov 2018, 05:03 #

@Vovsedneprianskie: To be more precise, it is 67 years old. At the beginning of the series, they write)

Beija-luna

20 May 2018, 20:34 #

The casting is magnificent, Mr. Smith from the Matrix is good, the directing is very good.
Reality is literally assembled from small details.
Scary episode - the atmosphere of fear creeps sticky out of the screen, brr......

ВоВсеДнепрянские

20 Aug 2018, 22:17 #

@Beija-luna: And Indira Varma from Thrones

denizen

13 Dec 2018, 19:43 #

In the voiceover, Amedia Weaving is voiced by the same actor as in the Matrix 🙂

Renero

20 May 2018, 23:13 #

The classic of aggravated domestic violence: that this story is about figs (the mother, as a result, is already hooked, using antidepressants indiscriminately with alcohol in the best spirit of American housewives of the 60s), that Patrick's rape. What an asshole David is, an upstart with no money in his pocket, already shaking. Divorce and slippers in half, it was necessary to throw such an asshole in the trash, but 50 years ago it was, what can I say, if such assholes exist now and shut everyone around them up with great success. Hugo Weaving is a good actor in general - I wanted to fuck David throughout the series, but with a heavier log (and I suspect it will be in the next episodes)

alena_serkova

21 May 2018, 02:55 #

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Renero

21 May 2018, 05:33 #

@alena_serkova: with 99% certainty, I read an interview with Cumberbatch on Medusa, he famously spoilt this moment there. And such a sadist would not ask to hide an ordinary spanking from his mother
. P.S. even if he were 18 and someone else would rape him, it would be just as terrible, another thing is that domestic violence from the closest person seems to be quite beyond cruelty and blackness, which, unfortunately, happen And in reality

HACKER777

PRO

20 Mar 2020, 15:18 #

@renero: I wanted to kill this freak!! You feel strongly and sympathize with the child ((

Walter_WHY

20 May 2018, 23:36 #

With this series, the series gives an answer to all those who claimed that it rests on Benedict's game alone - that's his absence, but at the same time we get the strongest series with a creepy, oppressive atmosphere, outlining the starting point from which the story of the Patrick we saw in the first series began.

sachkovn

20 May 2018, 23:39 #

Unhurried narration, a beautiful picture, talented actors, a magnetic soundtrack, the rotten underside of a rich family, maximum emotions with a minimum of dialogues.
The details are carefully worked out, but there is no redundancy.
This is not a TV series, this is already a work of art!

IndieAme

21 May 2018, 02:43 #

How terrifyingly beautiful Hugo Weaving is in this role - his every phrase, gesture, and look are terrifying.

dead_moross

21 May 2018, 05:42 #

Hugo Weaving plays his role terribly well, what an eerily fierce character this David is.
It's nice to listen to the dialogues, I really like Pip Torrence, his baritone and pronunciation are very pleasing to the ear.

fs_ann

06 Jan 2022, 08:39 #

@dead_moross: When Pip was telling his red-haired passion in a taxi the story about figs, I remembered the voiceover from "The Cat with Human Hands")

betty_drozdova

21 May 2018, 05:54 #

I understand that my question may seem very dumb, but I didn't quite get it... Did the father beat or rape Patrick?

синь

21 May 2018, 06:28 #

@eliza_drozdova: raped

alexander_pv

24 May 2018, 15:11 #

@eliza_drozdova:
St. Aubyn described an unhappy childhood in which he was repeatedly raped by his father between the ages of five and eight with the complicity of his mother.
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/St. Aubyn, Edward

inoagent007

19 Jun 2018, 02:15 #

He made the bed, well

MoldonDS

19 Jul 2018, 10:50 #

@eliza_drozdova: this moment in the series is presented simply brilliantly. I thought that until the last episode, the fact of rape itself would not be announced, that there would only be hints of it. But no, in the end Patrick says it in plain text (to my regret).

kaluginnn

PRO

01 Nov 2018, 05:08 #

@betty_drozdova: His father told him to take off his shorts, and after all the action he made the bed.

Muffin-man

16 Jul 2019, 02:18 #

@betty_drozdova: in the voiceover from Lostfilm, the last phrase in the second series, where David promises to "tear up his son if he tells his mother about what happened today," they just stupidly hesitated to translate -- so I myself was in the dark for a while

kshishevskaya

17 Jul 2019, 21:25 #

@muffin-man: in the original there was the phrase "I will snap you in two", which does not mean "break" specifically in terms of rape. therefore, I also didn't realize at first that he really raped him until I opened the comments (and the fact that he made the bed somehow didn't think to tie it, stupid)

duende

21 May 2018, 07:23 #

It was nice to see the actress Holliday Granger from "Strike", she has an interesting role. The actor playing little Patrick is doing a great job, you can feel all this terrifying fear and pain. A very difficult series.

FlintPNZ

24 May 2018, 04:20 #

Borgia is the same :)

tyrell

PRO

04 Aug 2018, 18:54 #

"I am a Borgia and I feel... unloved..."

youarebymyside

21 May 2018, 16:06 #

Perhaps I have too traumatic an experience or too violent a fantasy, but when I see an adult man asking to close the door and take off his pants (it's already good, it's already clear), and then asks me not to tell anyone about it, and if the boy tells, he promises to literally tear him apart pieces? I do not know, in my opinion, it is quite obvious that this is rape, and not spanking or something like that. I do not understand why they do this, put pressure on the child, want to punish and how in general, excuse me, on the child (on the idea of controlling the child?) maybe get up to rape him.
I also do not understand how Benedict could "spoiler" this moment, if, even if we were not shown it openly, and the hint in the first episode, and especially in this one, was more than bold; and in the book, as I understand it, it was written about rape at the very beginning.

In general, it seems to be beautifully shot and correctly played, but I'm bored. The footage is great, the area is magical, the boy playing little Patrick is smart, Benedict is good, although I saw a lot of Sherlock in the first episode. For some reason, the story does not catch at all, even though it is terrible.

ninefrei

21 May 2018, 18:26 #

@youarebymyside: He does not ask, but commands and threatens violence. David is an abuser with megalomania, he revels in his power, and his offspring has become a target of pressure because the boy resists. Unfortunately, this is how it happens in the world when a child is seen as a thing...

Allех

21 May 2018, 21:38 #

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Renero

21 May 2018, 22:33 #

@doruma: I'm sorry, what?! Is a 9-year-old child, a victim of pedophilia by his own father, the initiator of domestic violence? Read about what victimblaming is, and do not open your mouth until phrases like "the initiator of domestic violence, according to statistics, is in most cases a victim of domestic violence himself." And yes, when you say such big words, be ready to give proofs with the actual statistics, otherwise everyone on the Internet is ready to turn their tongue non-stop.

reflexenia

PRO

22 May 2018, 00:22 #

@doruma: What did I just read? Do you seriously think that a junior high school student provoked violence from his father himself and even initiated it? "The wife is hiding too," lol, "TOO." The first bitch in this story is Patrick's mother, who understands everything perfectly and at the same time puts a big and fat one on her son. Let's also yell at the children SAMADURAVINOVATA, yes. The most terrible thing is that then such Patriots grow up and sometimes get an appointment with psychotherapists like you, who also gently hint to them that they themselves are to blame.

alex_red

22 May 2018, 09:09 #

@Renero, @soyksenia:
According to statistics, the initiator of domestic violence is in most cases the victim of domestic violence himself.
Honestly, I do not know how to read this phrase to interpret it as "Patrick is the initiator of violence." :facepalm:
@doruma clearly meant that David himself was abused as a child and is now making up for it through Patrick. Let him correct me if I misunderstood that.

Renero

22 May 2018, 18:42 #

@alex_red: in my opinion, there was a misunderstanding due to the grammar of the Russian language: the phrase can really be interpreted in two ways - "The initiator of domestic violence according to statistics in most cases is a victim of domestic violence" (=victim's accusation) or "The initiator of domestic violence according to statistics in most cases was himself a victim of domestic violence" (=yes, actually, it is). In short, the case was not enough (the initiator vs. victim), in order to somehow unambiguously interpret the phrase @doruma. In general, there are really two meanings, but this is not so obvious at all)
P.S. By the way, I do not consider Patrick's mother to be the "first bitch" in this story. The first bitch is David, the rapist, quite clearly shown in this story. And Patrick's mom is just the same victim of violence, unfortunately.

alex_red

22 May 2018, 19:52 #

@Renero: No, obviously that's it. If it was about the victim, it would be "the victim herself."

reflexenia

PRO

23 May 2018, 01:30 #

@alex_red: then I take back my words, I misunderstood :) it's just that this is a very important topic for me, so I boil up instantly

Allех

23 May 2018, 03:58 #

@Renero: the father (in this case)/the mother/guardian/adult INITIATOR of domestic violence is most often the victim of domestic violence in childhood.
You overreacted to your own mistake when reading. Be careful. And don't rush into words.

@alex_red: You seem to be the only one who got it right) congratulations. How and what you need to read in order not to understand the word initiator...this is a mystery to me))

Renero

23 May 2018, 06:26 #

@doruma: I did not react too violently, but quite calmly and in great detail explained the nature of the error (this is not an error, strictly speaking, but a duality of interpretation caused by the ambiguity of the chosen means when expressing a thought), recognizing it as soon as it was pointed out.
Rather than reading with your eyes, don't rush into words either, I explained that the embarrassment is all in grammar.
P.S. Initiator is a masculine word, with which "the victim himself" is just consistent. Therefore, in this case, it can be interpreted that the word victim refers precisely to the initiator, who became a victim of the actions of the beaten. Okay, I don't want to get into the mice, it's good that everything has cleared up.

Allех

01 Jun 2018, 19:01 #

@Renero: "According to statistics, the initiator of domestic violence is in most cases a victim of domestic violence himself." - a completely unambiguous phrase.

Initiator = instigator. There are no grammatical errors. There are mistakes in your perception.

Пауль_Люстигер

29 Jun 2018, 00:14 #

@doruma: the servants rang the porcelain, because it was heavy, and she stood with it for a long time. But you can't drop it - it will be an ass. And you can't leave until the owner gives you permission. And he was so obviously satisfied with this picture. Ugh, that scene alone made him want to kill himself.

Дзихири

08 Sep 2018, 18:56 #

I also got it right right away. It's strange how it could have been read any other way.

Renero

21 May 2018, 22:29 #

@youarebymyside: it is obvious how Benedict could have spoiled this moment: by giving an interview before the release of the very first episode of the series, which can be viewed by those who have not read the book (for example, me), and for whom it will be a spoiler, even if not so terrible. In response to a question about whether it was difficult to play a character with such a past, Benedict said: "... otherwise I would come home in the evenings and to the question: "How was your day?" He answered from the doorway: "Well, today I looked at my dead father and remembered how he raped me, and then I injected some cocaine into my left ankle, trashed a hotel room, then almost overdosed on heroin and woke up covered in blood, vomit and needles. In general, nothing special!"" You can Google the phrase and find the appropriate interview.

Renero

21 May 2018, 22:36 #

@Renero: correction - the interview was released on May 13, on the same day the Patrick Melrose series appeared on amedia, respectively, there was a chance to grab a spoiler before watching the first episode

KubenT

21 May 2018, 19:26 #

It got kind of creepy after watching the episode.

aleskerovrenat

22 May 2018, 00:04 #

My throat is already dry

reflexenia

PRO

22 May 2018, 00:05 #

I haven't finished watching it yet, but I can't help but write: this transition from the frame with the child lying in a daze to the frame with the bed floating out of the reflection in the mirror is terrible, but very good as a method of pressure on the viewer

zlovrednaya_dgo

22 May 2018, 01:28 #

What a contrast to the first one!
In the first one we saw a man who is trying to live. He runs all over the city to find his source of life. The first one had elements of comedy.
In this one, we see someone who is dying - a disease from the inside, so to speak. There is already pure drama here.
Excellent work by directors, screenwriters and, of course, actors.
The moment with the girl who tried to escape reveals the whole essence of Patrick's parents' relationship.
Another good moment, with a black-haired woman who was the only one who showed sincere human feelings for Patrick. She's really coming back, isn't she

SidSupir

22 May 2018, 02:24 #

No wonder they say that most of the problems come from childhood.
His father was crazy, and it was not for nothing that Patrick did not forgive him after his death.
Hugo Weaving can play "bad people" and this is no exception.

irene_ks

22 May 2018, 05:20 #

How naive it was to hope that all the tin would remain in the first episode...

Alessandros

22 May 2018, 09:35 #

It's a masterpiece, and there's nothing to add here. I barely sat through to the end, I did not expect that the series would drive me into a sticky primal fear. And there doesn't seem to be anything like that happening on the screen, but this atmosphere, music, Weaving, menacing, ruthless and evil. He can play, it's just an out!
Now, of course, everything is clear with the "love" for the father. No good purpose can justify such actions.
And I still don't understand the motives of Patrick's mother, run away from there, run away. A tough series.

alrkan

22 May 2018, 16:18 #

But this is more interesting! I watched the whole episode in one go, I didn't even think to look at how much was left to watch... Patrick's mother's behavior is striking... As I understood it, David also bullied her... To endure all this, and to show such indifference to my son...

Whooh. Now I'm already looking forward to the next episode!

Kaifatishko

22 May 2018, 16:49 #

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Vikos-kokos

22 May 2018, 19:02 #

This series is much stronger and more interesting than the first one. The last episode caused conflicting feelings, I didn't really want to continue watching, but this series is just a masterpiece, even though it is so tragic.

Jane71

09 Oct 2020, 15:05 #

I agree, I even stopped watching it. She returned after several comments under other series, which is worthy

ZloyZebr

23 May 2018, 23:19 #

So much for Chaka, King of the Zulus: (

trycatchfinally

PRO

23 May 2018, 23:38 #

Agent Smith is the father of the Year

Dreko

24 May 2018, 03:14 #

Очень хорошо подан тонкий юмор. В "Молодом Папе" делали что-то похожее.

valerka-manson

26 May 2018, 16:35 #

Решила посмотреть вторую серию после того, как досмотрела 2 сезон 13 причин почему, где тема изнасилования также давит на зрителя, последняя серия там была просто ужасающей(об этом даже писали где-то), ну так вот. Думаю, ну отвлекусь, уж слишком тяжело это смотреть.Отвлеклась, блять!

Indriblets

26 May 2018, 18:33 #

@valerka-manson: такая же фигня( только вчера вечером посмотрела последнюю 13 причин, а тут снова эта тема. Дичайшая дичь

ktspctr

27 May 2018, 22:36 #

Вот уж точно не стала бы рекомендовать смотреть этот сериал залпом, да что там - не больше одной серии за подход. Тяжелый осадок, несмотря на обилие ярких цветов в кадре. Особенно тяжело воспринимать, зная историю писателя. Тема насилия от того еще так шокирующе действует на зрителя, что ее принято замалчивать ин рил лайф. И если ты хоть сколько-нибудь склонен к сопереживанию, после ПМ захочется только лежать в тишине в позе зародыша какое-то время и переваривать вот это вот всё. И я так понимаю, дальше больше.

Кроме всего прочего, меня поразила сцена за столом: с какой беспечностью взрослые рассуждают о том, что проблемы детства - совсем не проблемы и не стоят внимания. Ужасающая халатность и безответственность. Люди заводят детей, чтобы что? Или не заводят, а "просто так получилось"? Расти там как-нибудь сам? Будучи взрослыми, мы даже не можем в полной мере осознать, как на нас повлияли события и отношения из детства. Но ничто не проходит бесследно и уж точно, как может пройти бесследно то, что случилось с тобой во времена твоей повышенной открытости миру, веры в светлое будущее и чистого, полного любви сердца.

wolfsfight

PRO

29 May 2018, 23:57 #

@ktspctr: совершенно согласна с "не больше одной серии" за подход. посмотрела первые две подряд и теперь не могу пошевелиться. сделано очень реалистично, актерам веришь и от этого становиться еще хуже.
вот она двойственность хорошего кино - плохо и хорошо одновременно

astx

29 May 2018, 13:03 #

Вот все хвалят Хьюго, а я хочу похвалить актера маленького Патрика, он так четко передавал все эмоции и это этого было еще ужаснее смотреть на все это.

pourlalune

PRO

30 May 2018, 03:52 #

не смотря на жуткую и гнетущую атмосферу, я просто не могла оторваться от этих ярких красок на протяжении всей серии!

fathnik

03 Jun 2018, 09:43 #

Потрясно играет мальчик!
Давно не видел такой игры у детей.
Согласен с выше написанным. Этот сериал – неподдельное искусство.

vk262364

05 Jun 2018, 05:50 #

Господи, какой кошмар. До последнего надеялась, что он его хотя бы не насиловал. В таком возрасте причинять себе увечья - это прямо он должен был жить в реальном дерьме. При таких изначальных условиях, поразительно, что Патрик до сих пор жив.

IronQueen

06 Jun 2018, 04:28 #

Это прекрасно!
Картинка очень красивая, такие мелкие детали просматриваются в кадрах, которые захватывают твое внимание более, чем на 5 секунд. Актеры бесподобные, особенно маленький Патрик. Вот нереально прониклась его переживаниями в этой серии. И мне уже страшно, что будет дальше. Изначально я осуждала Патрика в настоящем за то, что снаркоманился, но теперь я понимаю, что другой выход был - прыгнуть в колодец еще в детстве, но он выстоял.

Очень страшно наблюдать за сломленной Элеонор. Она уже и не пытается сопротивляться. Интересно, покажут ли ее ранние попытки сбежать и причины провала?

Marik_666

PRO

06 Jun 2018, 20:14 #

Очень тяжелая серия

veer

07 Jun 2018, 03:15 #

Какое отчаяние и, такая безысходность, одиночество в серии, такой безмолвный крик о помощи, когда вокруг так много людей и никто не может защитить этого маленького мальчика, слезы стоят в глазах, очень тяжелая серия.

vk506406

07 Jun 2018, 03:48 #

После этой серии неудивительно что Патрик так сильно ненавидит отца. А Дэвид подонок конкретный🤬

user_anonymous11

13 Jun 2018, 01:25 #

Не смог заставить себя поставить оценку серии, где живут такие персонажи.
Какой же пиздец творится.

abracadasha

13 Jun 2018, 22:52 #

My thoughts:
Episode 1 - well, how can you hate your father so much?
Episode 2 - what a fucking bastard, what kind of people are bastards.
I do not justify Patrick in his lifestyle, but this should not happen to anyone, especially in childhood (what a fucked up

Ijustpeople

14 Jun 2018, 06:05 #

Мерзко. Мерзкий страх охватывает от пяток до ушей. Дважды останавливалась во время просмотра. Очень сложно смотреть. Понимаешь насколько маленький Патрик сильный, раз выдерживает такое. Я бы прыгнула в открытый колодец. Неудивительно, что он таким вырос. Сыграно восхитительно! Атмосфера передана просто великолепно!

Demogorgon

15 Jun 2018, 19:06 #

Лично для меня самое страшное в этой серии то, что вот она закончилась, и ты думаешь "Это же только один день показали", а сколько всего таких дней было у Патрика за его жизнь? Эта мысль отпирает новую спираль депрессии.

Каталка

16 Jun 2018, 03:34 #

Дьявол кроется в деталях. Эта серия столь ужасающая, сколь и прекрасна. Отличный подбор актёров. Особенно хочется отметить Хьюго Уивинга(ну в принципе то, что он блестяще играет подобные роли это уже факт), Индиру Варма (приятно было увидеть её здесь очень чуткой и возможно единственной адекватной, до этого видела её только в "Игре престолов", там она была вся такая воинственная), ну и конечно очень порадовал мальчик, игравший маленького Патрика(такая серьёзная и сложная роль сыграна очень точно, ему веришь и сопереживаешь каждую секунду, что он в кадре, не каждый взрослый может добиться такого результата, у парня талант, учитывая, тот факт, что это его дебютная роль. Надеюсь, что он ещё удивит нас в будущем)

Edna

17 Jun 2018, 18:54 #

Да уж, после просмотра этой серии осталось лишь ощущение, будто накормили гнилыми фигами и на голову ведро с дерьмом вылили.

tevladka

24 Jun 2018, 00:22 #

Что могу сказать .... серия ужасающая.
Снято красиво, игра актёров замечательная, смысл глубокий, но все-таки скучновато.
Хотя понимаю что такие сериалы не для развлечения, для размышления..

AlinaGrifina

01 Jul 2018, 08:18 #

прямо передергивает, жутко...

LottiePie

PRO

10 Jul 2018, 13:57 #

Премия "Отец года"

nzelenkin

27 Jul 2018, 19:00 #

давно так тяжело не было

vk664235

14 Aug 2018, 01:44 #

Бедный ребенок,жаль его

Starry_Night

03 Sep 2018, 19:11 #

Не понимаю, почему все так советовали и восхищались этим сериалом. Он ДИКО тяжёлый. И смотрится очень долго, нудно. Во время просмотра становится не то, что противно, а просто тошно. Но эта серия ещё намного тяжелее, чем первая. Это просто кошмар.

Molodec

30 Sep 2018, 20:47 #

Не всем все время смотреть одни комедии, и есть сладости.
Отличный кастинг, атмосфера, глубина персонажей, целостный сюжет без дыр - вот что делает фильм любого жанра хорошим, а не настроение, которое он передает.

k1ryusha

08 Oct 2018, 01:32 #

Молодого Патрика играет просто очаровательный мальчик.

lictoria

11 Nov 2018, 08:41 #

Согласна. Но по-моему, актер совсем не похож на взрослого Патрика))

k1ryusha

08 Oct 2018, 01:34 #

Эта серия понравилась больше, чем первая, хоть мы уже и поняли, что Патрик с отцом не в лучших отношениях был. Теперь понятно, откуда взялись все эти пагубные привычки, с такой-то семьей... Во время просмотра уже стало не по себе, после тоже неприятный осадок остался.

wh1te_dreams

PRO

18 Oct 2018, 00:04 #

Повторюсь: шикарно снято+ потрясающая музыка. Нам показали почему Патрик так относится к отцу. В общем, пока это очень отличный мини-сериал. Рекомендую к просмотру

DorothyPilgrim1

02 Nov 2018, 20:52 #

великолепная игра актёров

lictoria

11 Nov 2018, 08:40 #

Серия вызвала очень много эмоций. Понравилась немного больше, чем предыдущая. Отношение родителей к сыну, что отец, что мать которая ничего не делает... жуть. Некоторые сцены просто до мурашек. Я ждала от этого сериала многого, пока что ожидания оправдывает.

YuliaDiadko

18 Nov 2018, 01:34 #

Жуткая и страшная серия

kreinberry

30 Nov 2018, 17:13 #

Вот и началась движуха...
Урок из серии "прежде чем кого то осуждать, надо подумать, что привело к этому поведению".
Правильно я поняла, что отец его насиловал?

kreinberry

30 Nov 2018, 17:14 #

Хьюго Уивинг здесь гениален
отвратителен и гениален

albinka_

14 Dec 2018, 17:06 #

Согласна с тем, что написано выше, не буду повторяться, вторая половина серии очень гнетущая и трагичная,... но первую половину серии я больше всего переживала за инжир .. ((

fuck1ng_unreal

30 Dec 2018, 06:57 #

Впервые за долгое время испытала настоящие эмоции при просмотре. Ну, честно говоря, я разревелась, и трясло так, что сигарета в руке дрожала.

Не могу мысли связать в кучу, но сериал великолепный, а серия, как сказали десятки раз выше, жуткая и безмерно печальная.

sugary_smell

05 Jan 2019, 03:00 #

Еле досмотрела. Да, красиво, драматично, хорошая игра, но бля, как же невыносимо медлено! Мне казалось, что серия длится часов 6.

Villariba

20 Jan 2019, 20:10 #

серия заслуживает пяти звезд, но я их никогда не поставлю, потому что ну его в пень

jromenskaya

16 Mar 2019, 04:43 #

Давно не испытывала таких эмоций при просмотре. Вроде бы яркая картинка, но так давит вся эта ужасающая атмосфера. Игра мальчика на высоте, выше всяких похвал!

Риккич

19 Apr 2019, 23:49 #

пусть я пока и не понимаю до конца сути этого сериала.
но серия про данный триггер из детства патрика оказалась просто восхитительной.
её было тяжело смотреть, противно, мерзко. но так ведь и надо, верно? абьюзинг не должен быть романтизирован, как и душевные боли. сильно и тяжело.

+ хочу отметить восхитительную цветовую гамму, где реальность патрика преобладает в холодных синих тонах, а от насыщенности ярких воспоминаний начинает непроизвольно рябить в глазах. преобладание ярких теплых цветов сходит на "нет" к окончанию серии, как и сами воспоминания мелроуза. боль присутствовала с ним всегда, и самые яркие воспоминания, самые отчетливые - это именно жестокость и изнасилование.
просто превосходно.

AnnstH

PRO

07 Aug 2019, 03:38 #

Неприятное послевкусие, но смотреть очень интересно

vimazu

08 Aug 2019, 17:09 #

Такое отвращение, что аж до тошноты

TatiSte

20 Aug 2019, 02:19 #

Мальчик, играющий Патрика в детстве, просто умница... Ему веришь на все сто, до слез(

Penis_Vocabular

01 Sep 2019, 16:31 #

Простите мою черствость, но дупло из подушек? И потом развороченное дупло из подушек? Несмотря на всю тяжесть момента, тут я смеялся. Ход настолько банальный и очевидный, что выбился из общей концепции.

ОксанаРубан

02 Sep 2019, 03:34 #

@kshishevskaya: факт насилия был показан четко, но художественно, как и положено в настоящем кино. кроме заправленной кровати было десяток ассоциативных детали до и после. посмотрите на выемку в постели (этот яркий недвузначный крупный кадр был дважды), на выражение лица, на халат, который запахивает папаша и послушайте текст до и после. режиссер гений. шприцы показывал нагло в лоб, а насилие через ассоциации и междустрочные подтексты, он как-будто говорит: "смотрите , вот Патрик- конченный наркоман, это факт! но тому есть причина - его боль, о глубине которой, можете только догадываться..."

ОксанаРубан

02 Sep 2019, 03:41 #

@youarebymyside: не цепляет социопата и человека с отсутсвующей эмпатией( что по-моему и есть социопатия, но может я ошибаюсь) а может вы оч далеки от темы абьюза и насилия ( ведь трогает, смешит или , наоборот, только то, что знакомо)...одним словом, вам повезло!

Alexander_36

11 Oct 2019, 13:32 #

Блин, очень мощная серия! Реальная жуть. Игра актеров на высоте!

MarinaSmaluga

03 Nov 2019, 05:23 #

бедный ребёнок...это же ужасно такое детство пережить..удивительно как он не покончил жизнь самоубийством..

Венцель

19 Mar 2020, 03:06 #

Что за больной папаша? Почему мелкий сразу не рассказал матери что сделал отец когда они были в комнате? Он же вроде ей доверяет. Да и мать бы такого точно не стерпела. Конечно я понимаю что времена были другие, и что он всех там запугал. Но блин, где гарантии что это не войдёт у отца в привычку?

LDU_serials

02 May 2020, 23:12 #

Это пока лучшая серия.

Amymermaid

20 May 2020, 21:12 #

After the first episode, I wanted to give it up, but then I read a comment that you shouldn't judge this series by the first episode and it's worth watching at least the second one. Of course, I decided to listen to a stranger from the Internet and in general, thank you, stranger, for the advice.
It's a pity for the boy, it's not surprising why Patrick became a drug addict, it's amazing how he didn't commit suicide at all.
And I don't understand what's going on in the head of a father who does THIS to his child. How can you even get to this point?

Florance

26 Jul 2020, 02:08 #

A very difficult series. It's just incredibly difficult to stay calm while watching. If at the beginning of the series I also wanted to write something about the excellent selection of the filming location, about this amazing fig on hot soil. Then it's just hopeless horror. I haven't read the synopsis of the series, maybe there are hints of a difficult childhood in it, but it's just some kind of shock content from everything that happens. I just want to hug little Patrick! It's been a long time since I've been glued to the screen in such wild tension. Honestly, I just wanted to watch it for a Friday cocktail as entertainment, but I had to pour a second one. It's unbearable. Poor kid. God, who am I kidding, I had to go for more twice. Now there is a lot of talk about violence in childhood (physical and emotional), but it just chills to the bone. Such an oppressive feeling of hopelessness. In my opinion, the main character is still holding up well in adulthood.
The actors, of course, are on top. There's just nothing to complain about. And the actor playing little Patrick is doing a great job too. In general, it has been a long time since the series aroused so many strong emotions in me that I was even struck by graphomania.

VillainG

PRO

28 Aug 2020, 16:07 #

It's a very beautiful series! These landscapes, the cast, the interiors, the audio accompaniment are all good.
Patrick's father is a terrible man, now it becomes clear why Patrick hated him so much and did not even immediately believe that he was dead...

Jane71

09 Oct 2020, 15:12 #

It is sad that such a bright colorful picture of the outside world exists with the rotten inner world of abusers

valeriabrag

22 Oct 2020, 00:18 #

The first shots with figs gave off such warmth and beauty, but it turned out that in this ringing sound of cicadas and the warm sun, depressive darkness reigns.

Krasopetta_

02 Nov 2020, 07:33 #

How sad, just to the point of tears😣
Why is this being filmed? Yes, so that they appreciate their lives, and do not complain about excess fat or the fact that their parents did not buy an iPhone

annakozhevnikova

08 Nov 2020, 03:45 #

Fucked up family is just an encyclopedia of all child psychotrauma(

themercurious

07 Dec 2020, 20:40 #

So I decide to watch a series about a drug addict...

LiyaLiana

04 Feb 2021, 22:14 #

This episode was very reminiscent of the story from "Stewart's past life". Benedict is also filmed there, but Tom Hardy plays such a role of a drug addict trying to forget himself.
In general, the series is just tin (Eleanor's words "it's not so easy to do this" like nothing else explains the reason why it's hard for many to get away from such abusers

ell12

09 Feb 2021, 18:40 #

It's impossible to watch and impossible to quit. Nerves of iron are needed.

Meloman_Nastena

06 May 2021, 01:03 #

The series is as creepy as possible. The oppressive atmosphere from the first seconds, together with all the inhabitants of the house, you begin to be afraid of the owner. The violent scene was filmed on the level. Until the last moment, I thought that he was beating the boy, until first they showed a "hole" between the pillows, and then the rumpled sheets... That's creepy.

pavpasha

03 Oct 2021, 14:13 #

It was much more interesting to watch the drug days of gg than the life of his ancestors and their friends, comrades, who were sick of idleness and carelessness🙃

Dalalore

07 Oct 2021, 18:17 #

It is interesting to watch their dialogue on the topic of psychology, Freudians, how childhood affects a person and how the main character was treated in childhood

vk1134705

10 Dec 2021, 00:45 #

I was surprised by Benedict Cumberbatch in the series, as if this role was created for him.How harmoniously he plays. His emotions are reflected on his face, in his eyes, in his movements. Indifference, hopelessness, anxiety. I got into the film, thanks to the acting. The plot is grim. but strong. Terrible family secrets, originally from childhood, poisoned Patrick's life. Turning an alcoholic and drug addict into a lawyer and a good family man. It's a tough movie. But it's definitely worth a look.

zzz_203

PRO

17 Jan 2022, 15:30 #

This dad, it's no wonder to be a drug addict with such a father...

Verik_OnA

14 Feb 2022, 11:24 #

I was shocked after this episode

ryzhova_am

23 Apr 2022, 09:33 #

The first episode was so hard. I don't know why. I started watching it 3 times from different points. And the second one reveals the character so vividly, and why everything is the way it is now.

Ryaboshuk

15 Jun 2022, 08:53 #

Now it's clear why Patrick was so happy about his father's death. You won't be so happy about it.... The father is an inadequate tyrant and rapist. The mother is just a fool. You can't grow up in a family like that. All problems come from childhood, always.

The mother's words are just tinny: "You grew up to be such a good boy. I think it's because I'm not interfering." Really? It is because you do not interfere that your son suffers! Ugh. Parents are fiercely annoying.

The series is beautifully shot, however, as always. The little boy's game is on top. A talent!

la_asr

20 Jul 2022, 23:52 #

How gorgeous Sebastian Maltz plays!!! Words cannot express my delight

БеатаКатамадзе

11 Sep 2022, 11:01 #

Oh my God, how psychologically difficult it is to watch and understand why Patrick became a stranger)

scotinka1337

26 Nov 2022, 17:43 #

And why did Patrick's rich mother put up with such a schmuck? If she came from a decent family, and he was penniless, a tyrant and a gigolo, he was supposed to roll on all fours after the prank with the figs. In theory, he doesn't have any leverage over her, why is she afraid of him?

NickPaulson

PRO

28 Dec 2022, 17:41 #

Remember!!!
Patrick's father's name was incorrectly translated, his name is actually Kon Chen

lucasscott

10 Jan 2023, 20:36 #

There's only one name from my parents. 2 nasty bastards.

Dasha_Malik

31 Jan 2023, 23:01 #

Tough series

СергейЛимонников

15 Oct 2024, 01:28 #

One of the strongest episodes I've ever seen. I haven't felt such emotions from watching the series for a long time

zyyfff

PRO

04 Nov 2024, 02:05 #

In the moment with the ears, I so wanted to shout to Patrick "don't let go"! And then it gets even worse... The unbearable series

zyyfff

PRO

04 Nov 2024, 05:39 #

For some reason, I remembered after the third episode:

The moment when the father puts his hand in the boiling water in the bathroom and holds it... Something incomprehensible. Plus, it was parallelized when Patrick took the plug out of the bathroom with boiling water in the first episode, but clearly did not enjoy it. And Patrick's words after - "these are not my hands" 🫥

ксения_м

PRO

21 Mar 16:50 #

in principle, I calmly watch all kinds of filth, but pedophilia causes me a storm of disgust, and after reading the author's biography, I was even more horrified.

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