We've been beating around the bush the whole series, we've stretched it out. But if you think about it, they really took him without clear evidence indicating his involvement in the murders. The first time they made a mistake with his blood test, maybe this time they will take it again. but I think even that would not be enough.
As far as I know, there is no error in the analysis He has a mismatch of the blood type and the biomaterial that was found on the victims The difficulty is that these data have not been compared
I'm afraid that there was a banal negligence during the first examination. The sample was clogged and gave a false result. I have met many opinions on the Web from those who are knowledgeable in this case that there was a mistake. Unfortunately
In forensic medicine, there is such a thing as a "category of isolation". We all know the AB0 system, it is often used to determine the blood type. The fact is that the antigens of this system are contained not only in blood, but also in saliva, and in sperm, and in other biological fluids. In most people, these antigens match, but there are about 15% in whom these antigens will differ in blood and, for example, in semen. I do not presume to say that this is the case with Chikatilo, it may be true that it is a trivial negligence, but it is often cited as an example when talking about the category of isolation.
@Chevy: we open the first link for the nonsense that you wrote:
"Paradoxical excretion is an effect that does not really exist, according to modern data, in which blood and protein—containing secretions of the body do not coincide according to the antigenic system AB0. In the past, due to the poor quality of the tests, this coincidence was not always recorded, which allowed us to draw an erroneous conclusion: 15% of people do not excrete (for example, with sperm) those antigens that are contained in their blood (the so-called "non-separators").
By the early 2000s, it was shown that the phenomenon of "paradoxical excretion" does not exist, since this phenomenon would contradict the genetic foundations of the AB0 system. The phenomena of inconsistency in the group of secretions of the body and blood are due to bacterial contamination of the biological objects under study. The use of high-quality reagents and appropriate techniques avoids erroneous analysis results."
@AlinaStn: You're writing nonsense. In the case of Chikatilo, the sample was dirty and checked just how, that's the only thing. A person cannot have multiple physical indicators.
@wteme1991: The first victim was not proved, another person was shot for her, and one of the young women, because she was also one of the first and her body was at such a stage of decomposition when it was found that it was impossible even to conclude about the murder, they decided that the death was natural.
Another thing is that many of the episodes were proved primarily by his confession, especially the first cases when there was little evidence left after so many years. If he hadn't been put the squeeze on and he hadn't confessed, he might have been released as well.
@polibelle: It's really scary. He had done so much evil, but they could not find everything, and it was also difficult to prove it without his confessions. And if after the first arrest it would have become clear that it was him, then we would have been able to avoid so many victims.... But... History does not know the subjunctive mood, all these "if" do not make sense, unfortunately ((
Well, that's almost the denouement. I feel very sorry for Irina. It was hard to cope with this, it was clear that she would not stay there.
I think with today's technology, the case would have been solved much faster and there would have been much fewer victims. But it's all an experience, a terrible one - but an experience. ___________________________________________________________ My mom doesn't understand how you can watch this, but this is life, this is what it was in their youth. Not just stories, but reality. We must understand that the world is not perfect, and teach children not to be led by candy....
The whole episode felt like it was about to happen... And on you... Wait for the finale in the next episode... 🙈
I used to think that it would have been better if they had done 1 season of 10 episodes, but it would not have been so stretched... (I'm waiting for mises, as always)
@zzz_203: and I wouldn't mind stretching it out in three seasons... Yes, of course, you need to get used to Nagiyev, but it's good, it's action-packed... Not like the deflated Major Cherkasov
What a terrible man Chikatilo was. And most importantly, judging by the interrogation, he is very smart. In this episode, it is clearly seen how badly Nagiyev plays. This role is clearly not for him, or he did not get used to his character at all.
@AlinaStn: известные ситуации с множественной личностью не доказаны, и есть факты, которые говорят в пользу того, что люди, якобы страдающие подобным расщеплением личности, на самом деле таким способом пытались - и успешно - избегать тюремного заключения. Доказать существование расщепления личности сложновато. А уж ваши слова о том, что в человеке может быть 2 группы крови, одна из которых принадлежит второй личности (а двадцати четырём личностям принадлежат все группы крови в теле одного человека?) - настоящий бред, так как личность находится в мозге, а если говорить о раздвоении личности, то в мозге 2 личности, но кровь в теле не связана с мозгом, и расщепленная личность не может спровоцировать появление второй группы крови в теле человека. Не знаю, какие источники вы читаете, но не пудрите доверчивым людям мозги.
@ajcrvr: Не знаю, меня этот скетч выбесил. У них на кону на тот момент самый страшный по количеству жертв на территории СССР серийный убийца, который буквально может выйти сухим из воды, его количество жертв оценивают от 52 до 100+. И при этом почему бы не впихнуть шутейку о том, что надо бы позавтракать, а правосудие за убитых и растерзанных подождёт.
Вот насколько Адреасян не имеет вкуса и чувства уместности, вот настолько это видно по этой микросцене.
@polibelle: вы явно никогда не работали внутри системы уголовного правосудия. Там еще не такие "микросцены" имеют место быть, у людей "извне" волосы дыбом встанут от отсутствия эмпатии и такта, так что режиссера винить абсолютно не в чем.
Причём тут режиссёр? Это ведь поведение персонажа, причём вполне себе возможное в реальной жизни, или вы думаете, что в органах все только целыми днями и плачут о жертвах, не едят, ночей не спят?
@polibelle: Я конечно за правоохранительные органы ничего сказать не могу, но по своей работе в больнице(в реанимации) с подобными ситуациями и фразами примерного типа "досмотрю фильм, подойду", "сначала доем,тогда и будем спасать", "это подождет я курю/играю" итд. При чем это в порядке вещей услышать от врачей, хирургов, реаниматологов при экстренных ситуациях,когда у пациентов стоит вопрос между жизнью и смертью. Так что очень даже верю, что в то время(как и сейчас) такой момент мог запросто быть. Винить режисера не уместно.
Знаю банальщина, но мне понравилось как вел себя Андрей Романович на допросах, ведь действительно против него никаких прямых улик и нет, просто всё вокруг да около, конкретики нет. Надеюсь Витвицкий и Некрасов вдвоем раскроют его нутро и заставят расколоться. 4 месяца не смотрел сериал и на последних сериях вновь получаю удовольствие.
Поражаюсь журналистке. Свобода слова, свобода прессы… Но пытаться выявить невиновность реально виновного - такое себе. Я, конечно, понимаю, что это нам всё предельно ясно об убийце и мы видим всю картину целиком, в отличие от нее. Но всё равно не понимаю ее мотивов и действий
@Алёнка1990: самый обычный мотив. Вы судите потому что знаете финал. А так, казнив людей которых просто подозревали и считали что они и есть Чикатило. Вы бы и сами начали сомневаться во всей системе. Он же там и говорит, Я не виноват. А если вина ещё не доказана и суд не вынес приговор, ты ещё не в чем не виноват.
Well, the series was too long. Soap is driven around the basin for 50 minutes and will continue to be driven in the next episode. But how calm is Chikatilo. In his place, you should sit and worry intensely, because any person would be worried when such accusations are thrown at him. And he's sitting there as if nothing had happened, which makes him even more suspicious, it seems to me.
I don't insist on anything, but somehow a rumor cut through that he graduated from four universities, I lived in Soviet times, and always at the mention of higher education they said the institute, it seems universities began to be called massively much later.
Under the previous episode, they wrote like, "Well, what are two episodes going to show?" And here! The proof process is not that simple - that's the joke, to show how his guilt was proven. Even when they have listed all these proofs, from the outside they look like far-fetched.
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51But if you think about it, they really took him without clear evidence indicating his involvement in the murders.
The first time they made a mistake with his blood test, maybe this time they will take it again. but I think even that would not be enough.
He has a mismatch of the blood type and the biomaterial that was found on the victims
The difficulty is that these data have not been compared
I do not presume to say that this is the case with Chikatilo, it may be true that it is a trivial negligence, but it is often cited as an example when talking about the category of isolation.
"Paradoxical excretion is an effect that does not really exist, according to modern data, in which blood and protein—containing secretions of the body do not coincide according to the antigenic system AB0. In the past, due to the poor quality of the tests, this coincidence was not always recorded, which allowed us to draw an erroneous conclusion: 15% of people do not excrete (for example, with sperm) those antigens that are contained in their blood (the so-called "non-separators").
By the early 2000s, it was shown that the phenomenon of "paradoxical excretion" does not exist, since this phenomenon would contradict the genetic foundations of the AB0 system. The phenomena of inconsistency in the group of secretions of the body and blood are due to bacterial contamination of the biological objects under study. The use of high-quality reagents and appropriate techniques avoids erroneous analysis results."
It's scary to look at it, but realizing that it was all real is even scarier😔
Another thing is that many of the episodes were proved primarily by his confession, especially the first cases when there was little evidence left after so many years. If he hadn't been put the squeeze on and he hadn't confessed, he might have been released as well.
But... History does not know the subjunctive mood, all these "if" do not make sense, unfortunately ((
I feel very sorry for Irina. It was hard to cope with this, it was clear that she would not stay there.
I think with today's technology, the case would have been solved much faster and there would have been much fewer victims. But it's all an experience, a terrible one - but an experience.
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My mom doesn't understand how you can watch this, but this is life, this is what it was in their youth. Not just stories, but reality. We must understand that the world is not perfect, and teach children not to be led by candy....
I used to think that it would have been better if they had done 1 season of 10 episodes, but it would not have been so stretched... (I'm waiting for mises, as always)
In this episode, it is clearly seen how badly Nagiyev plays. This role is clearly not for him, or he did not get used to his character at all.
А уж ваши слова о том, что в человеке может быть 2 группы крови, одна из которых принадлежит второй личности (а двадцати четырём личностям принадлежат все группы крови в теле одного человека?) - настоящий бред, так как личность находится в мозге, а если говорить о раздвоении личности, то в мозге 2 личности, но кровь в теле не связана с мозгом, и расщепленная личность не может спровоцировать появление второй группы крови в теле человека.
Не знаю, какие источники вы читаете, но не пудрите доверчивым людям мозги.
- Для начала предлагаю позавтракать.
Это шедеврально.:)
Вот насколько Адреасян не имеет вкуса и чувства уместности, вот настолько это видно по этой микросцене.
Так что очень даже верю, что в то время(как и сейчас) такой момент мог запросто быть. Винить режисера не уместно.
4 месяца не смотрел сериал и на последних сериях вновь получаю удовольствие.