We've been beating around the bush the whole series, we've stretched it out. But if you think about it, they really took him without clear evidence indicating his involvement in the murders. The first time they made a mistake with his blood test, maybe this time they will take it again. but I think even that would not be enough.
As far as I know, there is no error in the analysis He has a mismatch of the blood type and the biomaterial that was found on the victims The difficulty is that these data have not been compared
I'm afraid that there was a banal negligence during the first examination. The sample was clogged and gave a false result. I have met many opinions on the Web from those who are knowledgeable in this case that there was a mistake. Unfortunately
In forensic medicine, there is such a thing as a "category of isolation". We all know the AB0 system, it is often used to determine the blood type. The fact is that the antigens of this system are contained not only in blood, but also in saliva, and in sperm, and in other biological fluids. In most people, these antigens match, but there are about 15% in whom these antigens will differ in blood and, for example, in semen. I do not presume to say that this is the case with Chikatilo, it may be true that it is a trivial negligence, but it is often cited as an example when talking about the category of isolation.
@Chevy: we open the first link for the nonsense that you wrote:
"Paradoxical excretion is an effect that does not really exist, according to modern data, in which blood and protein—containing secretions of the body do not coincide according to the antigenic system AB0. In the past, due to the poor quality of the tests, this coincidence was not always recorded, which allowed us to draw an erroneous conclusion: 15% of people do not excrete (for example, with sperm) those antigens that are contained in their blood (the so-called "non-separators").
By the early 2000s, it was shown that the phenomenon of "paradoxical excretion" does not exist, since this phenomenon would contradict the genetic foundations of the AB0 system. The phenomena of inconsistency in the group of secretions of the body and blood are due to bacterial contamination of the biological objects under study. The use of high-quality reagents and appropriate techniques avoids erroneous analysis results."
@AlinaStn: You're writing nonsense. In the case of Chikatilo, the sample was dirty and checked just how, that's the only thing. A person cannot have multiple physical indicators.
@wteme1991: The first victim was not proved, another person was shot for her, and one of the young women, because she was also one of the first and her body was at such a stage of decomposition when it was found that it was impossible even to conclude about the murder, they decided that the death was natural.
Another thing is that many of the episodes were proved primarily by his confession, especially the first cases when there was little evidence left after so many years. If he hadn't been put the squeeze on and he hadn't confessed, he might have been released as well.
@polibelle: It's really scary. He had done so much evil, but they could not find everything, and it was also difficult to prove it without his confessions. And if after the first arrest it would have become clear that it was him, then we would have been able to avoid so many victims.... But... History does not know the subjunctive mood, all these "if" do not make sense, unfortunately ((
Well, that's almost the denouement. I feel very sorry for Irina. It was hard to cope with this, it was clear that she would not stay there.
I think with today's technology, the case would have been solved much faster and there would have been much fewer victims. But it's all an experience, a terrible one - but an experience. ___________________________________________________________ My mom doesn't understand how you can watch this, but this is life, this is what it was in their youth. Not just stories, but reality. We must understand that the world is not perfect, and teach children not to be led by candy....
The whole episode felt like it was about to happen... And on you... Wait for the finale in the next episode... 🙈
I used to think that it would have been better if they had done 1 season of 10 episodes, but it would not have been so stretched... (I'm waiting for mises, as always)
@zzz_203: and I wouldn't mind stretching it out in three seasons... Yes, of course, you need to get used to Nagiyev, but it's good, it's action-packed... Not like the deflated Major Cherkasov
What a terrible man Chikatilo was. And most importantly, judging by the interrogation, he is very smart. In this episode, it is clearly seen how badly Nagiyev plays. This role is clearly not for him, or he did not get used to his character at all.
For me, Nagiyev is an actor of a different genre. Therefore, I can be biased. I remember him from the TV show "okona" and it's impossible to separate it.
@AlinaStn: Known situations with multiple personalities have not been proven, and there are facts that suggest that people who allegedly suffer from such a split personality actually tried - and successfully - to avoid imprisonment in this way. It's a bit difficult to prove the existence of a split personality. And what about your words that there can be 2 blood groups in a person, one of which belongs to the second person (and twenty-four personalities belong to all blood groups in the body of one person?) - this is nonsense, because personality is in the brain, and if we talk about split personality, then there are 2 personalities in the brain, but the blood in the body is not connected to the brain, and a split personality cannot provoke the appearance of a second blood type in the human body. I don't know what sources you read, but don't mess with gullible people.
@ajcrvr: I don't know, this sketch pissed me off. At that time, they had at stake the most terrible serial killer in the USSR in terms of the number of victims, who could literally get away with it, his number of victims was estimated from 52 to 100+. And at the same time, why not cram in a joke about having breakfast, and justice for the murdered and torn will wait.
That's how much Adressian has no taste and no sense of relevance, that's how much it shows in this microcene.
@polibelle: You've obviously never worked inside the criminal justice system. There are still not such "micro-scenes" taking place, people "from the outside" will have their hair on end from a lack of empathy and tact, so there is absolutely nothing to blame the director.
What does the director have to do with it? Is this the behavior of a character, and quite possible in real life, or do you think that everyone in the law enforcement agencies just spends their days crying about victims, not eating, not sleeping at night?
@polibelle: Of course, I can't say anything for law enforcement agencies, but in my work in the hospital (in intensive care) with similar situations and phrases like "I'll finish the movie, I'll come over", "we'll finish first, then we'll save", "it'll wait, I smoke/play", etc. Moreover, it is normal to hear from doctors, surgeons, and intensive care specialists in emergency situations when patients have a question between life and death. So I really believe that at that time (as now) there could easily have been such a moment. It's not appropriate to blame the director.
I know it's trivial, but I liked the way Andrei Romanovich behaved during interrogations, because there really is no direct evidence against him, it's just that everything is around, there are no specifics. I hope Vitvitsky and Nekrasov together will uncover his insides and make him crack. I haven't watched the series for 4 months, and I'm enjoying the latest episodes again.
I'm amazed at the journalist. Freedom of speech, freedom of the press… But trying to reveal the innocence of a really guilty person is such a thing. Of course, I understand that everything is very clear to us about the killer and we see the whole picture, unlike her. But I still don't understand her motives and actions.
@Алёнка1990: the most common motive. You judge because you know the ending. And so, by executing people who were simply suspected and believed that they were Chikatilo. You would start doubting the whole system yourself. He's there and says it's not my fault. And if the guilt has not yet been proven and the court has not pronounced a verdict, you are still not guilty of anything.
Well, the series was too long. Soap is driven around the basin for 50 minutes and will continue to be driven in the next episode. But how calm is Chikatilo. In his place, you should sit and worry intensely, because any person would be worried when such accusations are thrown at him. And he's sitting there as if nothing had happened, which makes him even more suspicious, it seems to me.
I don't insist on anything, but somehow a rumor cut through that he graduated from four universities, I lived in Soviet times, and always at the mention of higher education they said the institute, it seems universities began to be called massively much later.
Under the previous episode, they wrote like, "Well, what are two episodes going to show?" And here! The proof process is not that simple - that's the joke, to show how his guilt was proven. Even when they have listed all these proofs, from the outside they look like far-fetched.
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53But if you think about it, they really took him without clear evidence indicating his involvement in the murders.
The first time they made a mistake with his blood test, maybe this time they will take it again. but I think even that would not be enough.
He has a mismatch of the blood type and the biomaterial that was found on the victims
The difficulty is that these data have not been compared
I do not presume to say that this is the case with Chikatilo, it may be true that it is a trivial negligence, but it is often cited as an example when talking about the category of isolation.
"Paradoxical excretion is an effect that does not really exist, according to modern data, in which blood and protein—containing secretions of the body do not coincide according to the antigenic system AB0. In the past, due to the poor quality of the tests, this coincidence was not always recorded, which allowed us to draw an erroneous conclusion: 15% of people do not excrete (for example, with sperm) those antigens that are contained in their blood (the so-called "non-separators").
By the early 2000s, it was shown that the phenomenon of "paradoxical excretion" does not exist, since this phenomenon would contradict the genetic foundations of the AB0 system. The phenomena of inconsistency in the group of secretions of the body and blood are due to bacterial contamination of the biological objects under study. The use of high-quality reagents and appropriate techniques avoids erroneous analysis results."
It's scary to look at it, but realizing that it was all real is even scarier😔
Another thing is that many of the episodes were proved primarily by his confession, especially the first cases when there was little evidence left after so many years. If he hadn't been put the squeeze on and he hadn't confessed, he might have been released as well.
But... History does not know the subjunctive mood, all these "if" do not make sense, unfortunately ((
I feel very sorry for Irina. It was hard to cope with this, it was clear that she would not stay there.
I think with today's technology, the case would have been solved much faster and there would have been much fewer victims. But it's all an experience, a terrible one - but an experience.
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My mom doesn't understand how you can watch this, but this is life, this is what it was in their youth. Not just stories, but reality. We must understand that the world is not perfect, and teach children not to be led by candy....
I used to think that it would have been better if they had done 1 season of 10 episodes, but it would not have been so stretched... (I'm waiting for mises, as always)
In this episode, it is clearly seen how badly Nagiyev plays. This role is clearly not for him, or he did not get used to his character at all.
And what about your words that there can be 2 blood groups in a person, one of which belongs to the second person (and twenty-four personalities belong to all blood groups in the body of one person?) - this is nonsense, because personality is in the brain, and if we talk about split personality, then there are 2 personalities in the brain, but the blood in the body is not connected to the brain, and a split personality cannot provoke the appearance of a second blood type in the human body.
I don't know what sources you read, but don't mess with gullible people.
- First of all, I suggest we have breakfast.
It's a masterpiece. :)
That's how much Adressian has no taste and no sense of relevance, that's how much it shows in this microcene.
So I really believe that at that time (as now) there could easily have been such a moment. It's not appropriate to blame the director.
I haven't watched the series for 4 months, and I'm enjoying the latest episodes again.