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s02e08 — The Last Empress

Foundation — s02e08 — The Last Empress

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Duration: 43 min.
Released: 01.09.202301.09.2023 15:00
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2 season
s02e08
s02e02 - A Glimpse of Darkness
s02e03 - King and Commoner
s02e04 - Where the Stars Are Scattered Thinly
s02e05 - The Sighted and the Seen
s02e06 - Why the Gods Made Wine
s02e07 - A Necessary Death
s02e08 - The Last Empress
s02e09 - Long Ago, Not Far Away
s02e10 - Creation Myths

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Fantom3D
Fantom3D
01 Sep 2023, 05:19 #
Finally a great episode! I wonder what Cleon the original will say. I suspect that it was a prison for him.
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Zy4
Zy4
01 Sep 2023, 09:46 #
@Fantom3D: Cleon the Original
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vk384183
vk384183
01 Sep 2023, 14:46 #
The robots won the war... just the dawn, the day, the sunset will be destroyed. And they will upload new versions
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Akdlv
Akdlv
02 Sep 2023, 21:59 #
Yeah, Demerzel has a cache…
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the episode aired 01.09.2023
Tuliackbaev
Tuliackbaev
01 Sep 2023, 15:40 #
Something in the series of the immortals and the "immortals" divorced like dogs not cut, almost every third character in one form or another has been living for centuries.
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ForcedToWatchTV
ForcedToWatchTV
04 Sep 2023, 19:59 #
@Tuliackbaev: The format of the series obliges. There must be characters who will go through all the seasons. If you change the characters every season, then the audience loses the thread.
Modified carbon as an example, the main character's face was changed and the series lost its charm, although the character is the same, and in the original source of the chapters, the hero constantly changed bodies.
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id972349034
id972349034
05 Sep 2023, 07:17 #
@ForcedToWatchTV: That's not the problem with Modified Carbon. As well as the problem of Doctor Who is not in the very change of actors.
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ViktoryMartini
ViktoryMartini
01 Sep 2023, 17:31 #
I'll be a little stuffy, but the fact that Demerzel rules everything was clear enough, and it only now came to the Emperors ... 🗿
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vayana
vayana
01 Sep 2023, 17:48 #
@ViktoryMartini: they have specially organized blind spots in their brains so that it doesn't reach them.
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id972349034
id972349034
05 Sep 2023, 07:14 #
@ViktoryMartini: It's just that the emperors didn't watch the series. Well, not as smart as you, of course.
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kathrine_adams
kathrine_adams
01 Sep 2023, 19:41 #
Ugh, caught up with the intrigue! I suspect that the DNA of the clones last season also spoiled Demerzel))) She says she's protecting the Empire, but what does she mean by that? The most interesting question))
And since Hober Mallow's attack on Trantor, of course, I've yelled. This is such nonsense))) One unfortunate ship broke through the entire defense of the main planet of the Empire, and then Hober himself ran around among the guards as if invisible. Fire))) And Becky's pet, it turns out, needed to be cleanly splattered with the drool of the Day. I really thought she was taking part in the interdimensional jumps of the ship...
Dawn with Sareth two hormonal teenagers. Why did they give him back the ability to fertilize now? Saret has not slept since the Day (it seems). Her flight will become as strange as possible if the Day survives and returns.
And finally the insidious plan of the sinister granny became clear. It's cool, but Salvor, I feel, will blow it up in the next series))
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Terol
Terol
01 Sep 2023, 20:21 #
@kathrine_adams: I agree, it was kind of weird with Becky, I was also sure that she was connected to the ship
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dlumv
dlumv
03 Sep 2023, 17:12 #
@Terol: Becky found Constants in 2 series.
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ghostlycreature
ghostlycreature
02 Sep 2023, 00:25 #
And Hober also called Constant by name when he landed? and then they came back to the fact that he never guessed her name
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MarkRaffer
MarkRaffer
02 Sep 2023, 10:14 #
@ghostlycreature: and then it turns out that her real name is Brother and that her two fathers decided to joke in this way.
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GonReborn
GonReborn
02 Sep 2023, 11:24 #
@kathrine_adams: Hober's ship did not break through the defense, but directly got out of hyperdrive in front of the Treasury seat
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kathrine_adams
kathrine_adams
02 Sep 2023, 12:08 #
@GonReborn: so be it. However, the very possibility of a hyper-jump in the atmosphere of Trantor should be excluded.
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dlumv
dlumv
03 Sep 2023, 17:02 #
@kathrine_adams: she was excluded, according to the Empire. It seems like their ships can't jump where there is a gravitational impact, and the gravity generators themselves are turned off so as not to cause interference. And no one expected that the Foundation ships were ahead of the imperial ones in terms of capabilities, and could do tricks such as jumping into the atmosphere, or being docked to a large ship.
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Poisonishes
Poisonishes
02 Sep 2023, 23:25 #
@kathrine_adams: Becky was connected with korobl's jumps, but the spacers gave him the opportunity to control them himself (see the glowing device on his wrist).
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reddit
reddit
01 Sep 2023, 19:48 #
"Mellow has shown that the Emperor can be reached" 😏
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Aspen_Snow
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18 Nov 2023, 16:55 #
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It_is_different
It_is_different
01 Sep 2023, 19:57 #
Rip Becky
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New2018
New2018
01 Sep 2023, 20:12 #
Famously Constant dragged a man into bed. I wish I could do the same in my youth))
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Alex-219
Alex-219
05 Jan 09:36 #
@New2018: имхо метод голой дамы должен работать лучше метода голого мужика. ;)
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Redopera
Redopera
01 Sep 2023, 21:01 #
I take off my hat and put the Foundation episode 5/5 for the first time. For the density of events, for timing, interest and suspense, for the destruction of established orders in the series. It was extremely interesting to watch. I note: not without the fact that there were enough lackluster episodes for both seasons.
Now I want to go down a little to the details of my favorite. Somewhere 138 years after the palace coups of the first season, Gaal, Salvor and Dr. Seldon find a second Foundation, while their adventures take place in isolation from everything else in the series. Were there points of contact with the current first Foundation and the rest of the heroes? I got the feeling that Gaal and the company act like ghosts, because in fact they are already dead after the expiration of time and are not being persecuted by anyone in modern times. Salvor discovers about the radiant and, using the language of Mass Effect, establishes an instant connection between quantum pairs, where after a conversation with the "viceroy" Seldon reveals all the cards to him. The "local" Seldon learns about the role of Hober Mallow and calls on him to find him, but already these events begin in the previous episodes. From this, I assume that Gaal and Co are slightly in the future relative to everything else.
The discovery of Tell's longevity and, most likely, Dornik's salvation from the transfer of consciousness leads to strange assumptions that she may become the Mule, since she is not alien to the transfer of consciousness to new bodies. And she lives not the first century. To live another 150 years is not a problem when the sect is full. These are just assumptions.
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zamizami
zamizami
01 Sep 2023, 21:59 #
imagine a girl who just almost died, then came close to death again, her friend and beloved mentor is no longer alive, and her home planet is about to be mercilessly bombed. what is she thinking about?

that's right, about sex with a hot guy. no other way!
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scarcelyinside
scarcelyinside
01 Sep 2023, 22:53 #
@zamizami: well, it's necessary to relieve stress 😂
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Aggie
Aggie
02 Sep 2023, 18:50 #
@zamizami: well, the guy is hot)
how glad I am to see Dimitri Leonidas in this role..)
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New2018
New2018
04 Sep 2023, 19:05 #
@Aggie: so that's why the actor is so similar to Stephanie Leonidas) family acting clan
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Doro
Doro
04 Sep 2023, 15:51 #
@zamizami: I was almost surprised by this motivation. She had wanted to join him in shatyny before, and then she almost died. It's stupid to wait by the sea for the weather when death is around the corner, you have to take the bull by the pants.
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id972349034
id972349034
05 Sep 2023, 09:17 #
@zamizami: there is a mechanism that during a period of prolonged stress caused by external factors, libido increases, something like "if not now, then I won't be able to". But it doesn't work that way for everyone, here as with behavior in sudden stressful situations: someone has a "hit" strategy, someone has a "freeze" strategy, someone has a "run" strategy.
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MarkRaffer
MarkRaffer
01 Sep 2023, 22:12 #
What a cute brother Konstantin is! Well, the best episode of the season is definitely!
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scarcelyinside
scarcelyinside
01 Sep 2023, 23:08 #
Yes, there are not only timescips in a hundred+ years, there is also a non-linear narrative or what was it with the name of the Hober on the vault (loop?!). Whoo, quantum theory, damn you 😬

The fact that Demerzel is the local gray cardinal and rules everything was obvious even that season. It also seems to me that in the screensaver the figure of a full-length woman with something like a halo is just a Demerzel.
And again intrigues, intrigues in the palace. Brother Sunset is thinking very well.

It's funny that the Day does not seem to understand how predictions traditionally work — knowing in advance does not change the result, no matter what actions))
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vk188829
vk188829
01 Sep 2023, 23:22 #
"The guiding and guiding force of the Empire, the core of its political system, state and public organizations is Lady Demerzel" - purely such vibes from the series)))
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Mast_natan
Mast_natan
02 Sep 2023, 00:36 #
I feel sorry for Becky 🥺😢
I hope Salvor gives this nasty aunt a hard time and saves Gaal. Salodna now began to sympathize, before that he seemed to me a vile schemer 🤭
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Vse_zrya
Vse_zrya
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02 Sep 2023, 04:48 #
Finally there was monastic sex))
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MarkRaffer
MarkRaffer
02 Sep 2023, 10:03 #
@Vse_zrya: The whole episode was riddled with sex... Dawn with a friend, brother Constant and plus two doves have been watching them all this time, Sunset with his passion is almost here, and even Gaal lay down with a nasty aunt.
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It_is_different
It_is_different
02 Sep 2023, 17:45 #
@Vse_zrya: apparently there is no celibacy in Seldon's church.
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rusavto33
rusavto33
03 Sep 2023, 00:51 #
Leontiev plays cool!)
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bagem
bagem
03 Sep 2023, 07:21 #
@rusavto33: And I kept thinking who does he look like))
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DenNight
DenNight
05 Sep 2023, 06:10 #
@rusavto33: да, актриса, играющая невесту Императора, очень похожа на Валерия Леонтьева.
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Сериальщик732
Сериальщик732
04 Sep 2023, 20:47 #
Сектанты, террористы, подонки, и типо надо им сопереживать?🤦

Свернуть адекватную империю ради техносекты
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GEOps
GEOps
05 Sep 2023, 21:42 #
@Сериальщик732: адекватность там утонула в варящемся в собственном соку программном коде ИИ
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ViktoryMartini
ViktoryMartini
06 Sep 2023, 20:25 #
Дико плюсую, вообще не симпатизирую Основанию в этом сериале
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JardimFramboesa
JardimFramboesa
25 Sep 2023, 13:39 #
Так не обязательно выбирать сторону, так же, как и в реальной жизни, что одни, что другие🤷🏻‍♀️
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GEOps
GEOps
05 Sep 2023, 21:44 #
Кажется мне в финале будет битва двух ИИ: Сэлдона и Демерзель?
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corp
corp
07 Sep 2023, 23:27 #
@GEOps: они работают на одной стороне )
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GEOps
GEOps
05 Sep 2023, 21:53 #
Показанная в этом сезоне сюжетная линия Сальвор и Гаал на симуляцию похожа.
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wert
wert
05 Sep 2023, 22:48 #
Позабыты хлопоты, остановлен бег...
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distepko
distepko
06 Sep 2023, 01:21 #
👍 отличная серия. К конце сезона раскачались!
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camilla_foxie
camilla_foxie
07 Sep 2023, 13:37 #
7 и 8 серии отличные! Не могла оторваться. Ох , Демерзель и хитрая же чертовка! Она одна осталась в живых, потому, что ей нужна была империя. Она пленила императора и воссоздала его копии , которые , в случае чего, можно просто уничтожить и стереть воспоминания, заменив другим. В итоге она не просто отомстила за свой род, она правит всей галактикой. Не слабо, девочка. Вот это, я понимаю, месть.

Жду не дождусь следующей серии.
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Glownesstock
Glownesstock
08 Sep 2023, 17:29 #
Да все про Демерзель было понято с тех пор как она Рассвету шею свернула… Получается в войне вовсе не люди победили
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Satellite
Satellite
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12 Sep 2023, 00:07 #
Секс-сцены Apple TV: самое жаркое что вы увидите в своей жизни, чуть-чуть не дотягиваясь по отвязности до канала "Спас" -___-
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ЧижикПыжик
ЧижикПыжик
14 Sep 2023, 02:06 #
К чему была эта нелепейшая сцена "давай трах###ся" на корабле-шептуне?

И почему Закат, найдя комнату, решил что именно Демерзель решила скрыть её? Разве было что-то указывающее на неё?
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AtomicTroll
AtomicTroll
27 Sep 2023, 04:15 #
@ЧижикПыжик: вообще их лавстори выглядит как то убого на самом деле. Девочка конечно милая, но что он прям на неё так запал, он что вообще никого во вселенной не видел?
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maxzavarzin
maxzavarzin
20 Sep 2023, 20:18 #
«Солнцестояние» какое-то.
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Кенсей
Кенсей
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01 Oct 2023, 08:07 #
ну и какая же она чудовище. Плюс ко всему временная линия Гал и других оказывается идет не одновременнно с событиями происходящими в терминусе и империи
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berion87
berion87
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08 Oct 2023, 17:25 #
А я думал невеста Сарет вступится на казне за деваху. типа «Мой будущий муж сделай мне подарок на свадьбу - пощади девочку». где-то я уже подобное видел. ну а старика казнят(
но случилось спасение в распоследний момент. в духе Хана Соло на Звезде смерти. и девушку спас. не принцессу конечно. но дочь директора все-таки)
а бабка-телепат (телебабка🤣) живет как апокалипсис в людях х.
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jankefir
jankefir
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23 Oct 2023, 00:46 #
Чтобы спасти Константу, Хобер Меллоу пустил Шептуна императору 💁‍♂️
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Regis-emiel
Regis-emiel
23 Oct 2023, 20:57 #
Отличная серия. Все так закрутилось.
Нравится, что две линии у нас оказываются движутся не в одном времени.

Главная телепатка с ее астероидом М и мутантами напоминала мне Магнето изначально. И вообще вся эта линия их.
Сейчас думаю, может она и есть Мул. Точнее будет. Жуткая совершенно.

С Демерзель все было очевидно давно, конечно. Но зрителям, а не Клеонам. И она хороша!
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DIVbalakovo
DIVbalakovo
17 Jan 12:13 #
Вот так в одно лицо Хобер Мэллоу смог запросто проникнуть на самую защищённую планету в Империи и чуть ли не убить всех Клеонов. Хосспади, что ж за бред!
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GrenKain
GrenKain
12 Mar 18:39 #
1) It turns out that Gal's daughter (the caretaker) told Dr. Seldon about Hober malow?! This means that the events that are shown in parallel with Gal and her daughter, the caretaker, take place a little earlier than the "main" time. Did I understand correctly?
But I can't remember how they found out about Hober Mallow to tell Seldon.

2) And damn, I thought Becky was the very "cosmolite/navigator" of the ship and controlled the jumps.

3) did someone say that these cosmonauts endowed Hober with their abilities so that he could jump without them?! Isn't that the theory? It wasn't in the series.

4) in my opinion, everyone already thought so about demerzel, but maybe they will tell us something else.

5) PS I don't see chemistry between Hober and brother Constant.
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munvod
munvod
07 Apr 21:32 #
And how did Salvor resurrect? the square woman drowned her with her finger in the last episode in the bass along with Professor Legolasov... or does it mean that they knocked her out, took her out of the basik and took her to the pit with fans? Of course, you need to think a lot, but not over what you would like to think about in the film adaptation.
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