So far, I don't like the scripted and camerawork emphasis on the fact that in the Union there is an ass, a prison and a gulag for Others, while the fascists have light, warmth and freedom in all its glory. Hopefully, this will not become a trend, but will turn the plot upside down.
@andrwell: something can even be quite logically explained by the consequences of the revolution and the civil war, but not to the same extent... So you're right. The dissonance is really freezing, I even got bored with a couple of TV series where the alternative USSR was too perfect, after the first series it did not cling to the eye so much. If it continues to be like this in addition to the boring development, then I will underestimate the estimates.
I also hope that there will be a plot twist. I have not read the book, but in this series there seemed to be hints that everything was not so well in the German "sanatorium" of Maximilian and Katarina, although they demonstrate the open doors and the right to choose.
@id23728616: Sorry, but no. Fascism and National Socialism are two different ideologies, although they have a lot in common.
Fascism is based on the primacy of the State, where the nation is a secondary issue. Some Italian Jews even belonged to the fascist party before Mussolini started singing to Hitler's tune. National Socialism is already about the superiority of one nation over the rest. Yes, Hitler was inspired, how to say it, but this is not the same thing and the above was absolutely correctly corrected. 🤷🏻♀️
@id23728616: Alexander, I'm terribly sorry, but why are you ignoring me from all your sockappets? You should at least cover your tracks somehow. Well, there, for example, so that your sockappets don't only have you as friends. 🤣
Well, you blurted out stupidity, well, you pointed out a gap in education. Anything can happen, but this is a kindergarten, Alexander, well, the eprst. 🤣
@chickchirik: "Fascism is an open terrorist dictatorship of the most reactionary, most chauvinistic, most imperialist elements of financial capital… Fascism is not superclass power, nor is it the power of the petty bourgeoisie or the lumpen proletariat over financial capital. Fascism is the power of financial capital itself. It is an organization of terrorist reprisals against the working class and the revolutionary part of the peasantry and intelligentsia. Fascism in foreign policy is chauvinism in the grossest form, cultivating zoological hatred against other peoples" - Georgy Dimitrov
@Serialschik732: well, as if yes))) They are much better))) Even with a picture, even by holding the viewer at the screen. I have no preconceived opinion about our cinematographer, I give everything that interests me a chance. But so far, ours is only comedies. Fantasy with humor, yes, ours. Fairy tales. But the serious one... nope. I can't remember anything successful. 13 clinical, like nothing. But it's not too serious there either.
@feniksoflove: Expensive, rich in pictures and that's it. But plot-wise, and acting is not a bit better. In terms of caste, perhaps even worse. Black dwarves and elves have sore eyes. Although here the Russian answer is a Jew in an elite shelter of the Reich. Karamora Norm was in Russia. It's dynamic , And the ending is a thrill.
@Serialschik732: I couldn't even watch the last episode of Karamor. Somehow, all our attempts to fit into the genre seem to be fueling despair. Everything is very slow, there is little dynamics, it is gloomy. The plots are interesting, yes. It's the only reason I haven't quit yet. Well, a little more life and dynamics, more distinct emotional dialogues and maybe it would have been fired. But no) I won't even comment on Negroes and other features of foreign TV series, and ours. Just accept it already.
@feniksoflove: I disagree, as a fan of fiction, I have probably reviewed most American films / TV series of this genre with an above-average rating. So among them I can name a lot that are no better than "Others".
Take the same franchise "The Hunger Games" or "The Maze Runner" - the most primitive dialogues and acting, and the plot does not shine. Meanwhile, they are very commercially successful. And among the series, there is generally trouble, here's an example of "Lois and Clark" or "Lucifer", the ratings of the series are quite high, but in fact they are light romcoms for housewives with mournful primitive dialogues, conflicts sucked out of the finger, etc., and the plot, the superhero / mystical line is just like scenery for a romcom and stupid dialogues created to stretch the time of the series. Or there's the TV series "Incredible" (by the way, it's very similar to Others according to the idea) from HBO, they invested a lot of money in it, pretty cool and expensive special effects, the atmosphere, and the dialogues and the acting are just unbearably terrible, very delayed, it hurt me to look at it and I stopped after two episodes. With the "Others" in this regard, everything is much better, a good average compared to the above. And take the X-Men franchise, which is close to Others. I love her very much, but objectively, according to all the characteristics, among the 11 films 8-9 are frankly weak, pathetic, you watch some films just for show, hoping to somehow complement the world of the franchise, but in fact you are waiting for this mournful action to end.
@Elven_Kelevra: Lucifer is a great TV series))) And absolutely not only for housewives ) But he's with comedy references, and a detective, so it's difficult to look at Others with the same eyes at all) But the Incredible ones, by the way, are the closest to the Others. True, there was a little comedy there, in others there is not even a hint of it, but it does not matter. There, the dilogies are three times more lively than here, the emotional component is vivid. As it is, they are somewhere on the same level with my eyes. I left the Incredible ones too. I'm still holding on. But I still don't understand what people find in common between the X-Men and the Others. If it's like a school with superpowers. So Umbrella Academy is still there, at least. And for me, Others don't take a single step towards people X. That's not by any criterion ) Noooooo many people, so many opinions)))
@feniksoflove: well, you see, you probably don't have enough of a handsome guy in Others who would like and a romantic relationship with him shown in the series, as in Lucifer😏 That's right, for housewives, because it's closer to fan fiction than a series about the devil. But okay, Lucifer is not playing a log, even if they did not make a devil out of him, but a lovelace cosplaying the lord of Hell) but what about his chosen one, a policeman? It's a mega disgusting acting game, lack of emotions and everything else. I didn't see a lot of good humor there, as a rule, all the series are stretched out by the same mournful quarrels, and then by applications, the same thing from series to series and seasoned with "awkward moments", if this is considered humor, then obviously this is not my humor.
In others, in my opinion, there are nowhere near as disgustingly prescribed dialogues as in the Incredible Ones. There, literally every 15 minutes of the series, the characters stop for some reason and discuss some dull nonsense for 5-10 minutes of screen time, which does not affect the plot in any way, but simply stretches time.
Unfortunately, if you disassemble the X-Men films into components, except for the first part, Logan and maybe the fourth part, you can see a lot of problems in the plot, the actors' play, dialogues, etc. Anyway, just try to remember what each part was about that you watched, without describing the plot, you probably won't succeed, because almost every part has the same principle and a rather empty plot.
@Elven_Kelevra: you're wrong here) The sweet main character / heroine, of course, decorates, but does not affect the opinion of the series at all. I'll go tell my husband that he's a housewife) and I'll tell all my friends of different genders the truth too :) Well, yes, in Others there are no disgustingly prescribed dialogues) There are just almost none) And those that are difficult to make out and perceive ) Emotionless faces help this a lot) Your constructive analysis is, of course, very interesting, but all people have different accents and tastes) You can have an endless dialogue ) Therefore, I will not continue it)
@feniksoflove: It's definitely noticed). And the young actors in the "Others" (we do not consider veterans of the workshop like Serebryakov and Fomenko, everything is good there) not only play poorly, but sometimes terribly. Even the best of them are on the level of the worst of the same "Lucifer", and gg is just no next to detective Chloe Decker (and yes, I also watched it with pleasure, although not a housewife).
It's too long. Events are developing very slowly, and these jumps in time, which bring little understanding. Wolfgang is always a pleasure to look at. But the main character is flat. I was hoping for something in the Umbrella style. But it's really too long, I can barely get through the series.
Delighted with the voice from the battle of the psychics It's very beautifully shot, you can't take that away from the series, but the plot is crumpled:(
The picture continues to deliver a thrill, the narration is so measured that you almost fall asleep. :) there is still hope for action. Maybe it will accelerate to the middle
I look at many people who didn't like the plot, but apparently I was lying in the hospital, I just liked this actor playing Ivan (Ilya Malanin) I have already produced an interesting person. Of course, Fomenko's acting is not discussed, he is a good actor. I look further and hope the plot does not disappoint)
The main actress resembles Bella from Twilight - the same emotionless face in every frame. And with the re-sounding of Wolfgang, it turns out very funny: I hear Matveev - I see Matveev))
I'm getting average so far. The picture is pretty, but the series go on for a long time and don't get carried away. But I want to mention Serebryakov, he played great! I didn't even recognize him right away)
In the second series, it was as if they were thrown right into the middle of the original book source. But at the same time, all the heat was removed. The feeling that the plot is walking on the spot. Baruch's backstory was not enough, and the fact that he did not run on the second day of his presence at the shelter, but because he was being driven. One scene of a "warm welcome" cannot be avoided here.
Offtop, but after this episode I really wanted to see the "Internet" faster. For me, this is a kind of her "trailer": scenery, details, interspersed with fantastic elements.
@joy_composer: "Eterna" is in a completely different style and genre. The pilot there was so-so, but if according to the books, then pure fantasy, only narration in the style of Dumas' novels. And here is an alternative history of the time before the Second World War.
Alternative history and fantasy, however, because there are no others in reality. And in "Eterna", in addition to the fantasy component, there is an epoch taken as a basis, roughly corresponding to our 17th century.
I compared these two projects because they were shot by the same studio and using the example of "Others", you can additionally (in addition to what we have already been shown from the filming of "Eterna") evaluate how she works with the visual of the worlds she creates, well, and then your own imagination begins to work and figure out what those might look like or other scenes from the book.
This is quite appropriate here, it is not necessary to take as a basis a project following the same style and genre, the principle is important. It's enough that both series involve a lot of work with the construction of the world.
@joy_composer: well, in that case, I can say from the example of both projects that the studio has no problems with the visual, it is on top. However, both have the same problems. There are two of them: several "wooden" actors and an extremely mediocre reworking of the book into a script. Although the latter is the scourge of most film adaptations😅
Oh, yes, that's a great point. The visual is great, but where (and most importantly why???) Did they take such wooden actors?? It is impossible to look at this outrage, only actors like Fomenko pull out here, only actors of the old school also play in the eterna.
@motokokisaragi: but we can't assess how the actors of Eterna play yet, she hasn't come out yet. If you're talking about the pilot, then it was reshot, and the cast is 98 percent new now in the series.
Seriously? A metal bundle like in the movie "The Beginning" with DiCaprio!? Is there so much imagination? Or is it such a ridiculous homage? And, of course, extras on the arrows and cardboard dialogues. Why is a good story dressed up in a flat picture?
@Redbelka: and there is also a trace on the ground in the form of a spiral after the influence of the main character with her voice, as in Game of Thrones.It's probably a coincidence. But it caught my eye
Damn, I don't even know what to say. The picture is good, but some characters are underplayed. I don't quite understand why these flashbacks are needed. Here, one short scene, listing the escapes of the brother and sister, was enough to understand that they were on the run. And an empty room indicates the absence of relatives. The viewer is not so stupid as to speak head-on. It all comes down to the X-Men and Xavier's school only in the Nazi style. I'm sick of this bloody gabney record. They have been electrocuting gg for two months and do not get a result. What a fucking bunch of scientists. I only liked the villain's castle. There will clearly be skeletons behind the beautiful screen. Our doors are open, of course, but you obviously won't leave the castle alive. But what a potential. The world is on the verge of war, training on both sides of the X-Men to then push them into the battles of the Great Patriotic War and World War II. Two episodes out of 6 came out, and the plot progressed well, just a little bit
Katarina, dear, it is clear that shining a Jewish name and Yiddish in front of strangers is very dangerous.
But as a matter of fact, even if Boruch had introduced himself as a Ghanaian and spoke only German, I'm afraid this would not have saved him much from questions about his far from Aryan appearance. Why should you be so upset?
In general, I started reading the book in parallel, because the first series seemed cardboard and I don't regret it. The language is pleasant and the plot is moving, it's a pity that this is not transmitted on the screen. 🥲
@AsyaSava: To be fair, I read up to this point in the book and there she says the same thing.
In the book, as I understand it, he does not have such a pronounced appearance, because at some point in his homeless life he stops wearing the patch that Jews should have worn, and there is no reaction. And then Katarina's breakdown and her demands become clear. But in the series, these lines have lost all meaning. They were not adapted, in short. 🤔
@AsyaSava: I'm running in parallel with the series and I like it so far. The style is good and the stories of the heroes are told much deeper and in more detail. Well, probably like in any book compared to the adaptation. 😅
@nadiamalevich: Oh, so I missed that moment in the book. Well, then at least pull it by the ears, this whole "don't tell your name" story is crazy. After all, people have eyes...
The picture is beautiful, but there is no content. It seems that something is happening in the series, but it doesn't feel like it. Once again, the Germans are experimenting. Another school for radioactive people. All I want to ask is, "So what?"
The characters are all equally flat so far. At least some charisma slips through the man in the mask. The love line between GG and that crazy guy is instantly read (maybe I'm wrong, but I'm sorry in advance for his wife, on whom he scored such a specific chatterbox). And yes, as we wrote above, the main character is a local Bella from Twilight.
Yeah.... the plot certainly doesn't hold. It is difficult for those who do not read the book to understand something. Chapters.the heroine Anna plays just disgusting, and also terribly skinny! The old man in the last episode who tortured her was underplaying, like many here. Except Fomenko and a couple of three others. The camerawork is excellent. It was beautifully shot. But the actors spoil everything
Fascism is based on the primacy of the State, where the nation is a secondary issue. Some Italian Jews even belonged to the fascist party before Mussolini started singing to Hitler's tune. National Socialism is already about the superiority of one nation over the rest. Yes, Hitler was inspired, how to say it, but this is not the same thing and the above was absolutely correctly corrected. 🤷🏻♀️
Well, you blurted out stupidity, well, you pointed out a gap in education. Anything can happen, but this is a kindergarten, Alexander, well, the eprst. 🤣
Fascism is not superclass power, nor is it the power of the petty bourgeoisie or the lumpen proletariat over financial capital.
Fascism is the power of financial capital itself. It is an organization of terrorist reprisals against the working class and the revolutionary part of the peasantry and intelligentsia.
Fascism in foreign policy is chauvinism in the grossest form, cultivating zoological hatred against other peoples" - Georgy Dimitrov
Fantasy is a complex genre . You can count good film adaptations on your fingers
I have no preconceived opinion about our cinematographer, I give everything that interests me a chance.
But so far, ours is only comedies. Fantasy with humor, yes, ours. Fairy tales. But the serious one... nope. I can't remember anything successful.
13 clinical, like nothing. But it's not too serious there either.
I won't even comment on Negroes and other features of foreign TV series, and ours. Just accept it already.
Take the same franchise "The Hunger Games" or "The Maze Runner" - the most primitive dialogues and acting, and the plot does not shine. Meanwhile, they are very commercially successful.
And among the series, there is generally trouble, here's an example of "Lois and Clark" or "Lucifer", the ratings of the series are quite high, but in fact they are light romcoms for housewives with mournful primitive dialogues, conflicts sucked out of the finger, etc., and the plot, the superhero / mystical line is just like scenery for a romcom and stupid dialogues created to stretch the time of the series.
Or there's the TV series "Incredible" (by the way, it's very similar to Others according to the idea) from HBO, they invested a lot of money in it, pretty cool and expensive special effects, the atmosphere, and the dialogues and the acting are just unbearably terrible, very delayed, it hurt me to look at it and I stopped after two episodes. With the "Others" in this regard, everything is much better, a good average compared to the above.
And take the X-Men franchise, which is close to Others. I love her very much, but objectively, according to all the characteristics, among the 11 films 8-9 are frankly weak, pathetic, you watch some films just for show, hoping to somehow complement the world of the franchise, but in fact you are waiting for this mournful action to end.
But the Incredible ones, by the way, are the closest to the Others. True, there was a little comedy there, in others there is not even a hint of it, but it does not matter. There, the dilogies are three times more lively than here, the emotional component is vivid. As it is, they are somewhere on the same level with my eyes. I left the Incredible ones too. I'm still holding on.
But I still don't understand what people find in common between the X-Men and the Others. If it's like a school with superpowers. So Umbrella Academy is still there, at least. And for me, Others don't take a single step towards people X. That's not by any criterion )
Noooooo many people, so many opinions)))
That's right, for housewives, because it's closer to fan fiction than a series about the devil. But okay, Lucifer is not playing a log, even if they did not make a devil out of him, but a lovelace cosplaying the lord of Hell) but what about his chosen one, a policeman? It's a mega disgusting acting game, lack of emotions and everything else.
I didn't see a lot of good humor there, as a rule, all the series are stretched out by the same mournful quarrels, and then by applications, the same thing from series to series and seasoned with "awkward moments", if this is considered humor, then obviously this is not my humor.
In others, in my opinion, there are nowhere near as disgustingly prescribed dialogues as in the Incredible Ones. There, literally every 15 minutes of the series, the characters stop for some reason and discuss some dull nonsense for 5-10 minutes of screen time, which does not affect the plot in any way, but simply stretches time.
Unfortunately, if you disassemble the X-Men films into components, except for the first part, Logan and maybe the fourth part, you can see a lot of problems in the plot, the actors' play, dialogues, etc. Anyway, just try to remember what each part was about that you watched, without describing the plot, you probably won't succeed, because almost every part has the same principle and a rather empty plot.
Well, yes, in Others there are no disgustingly prescribed dialogues) There are just almost none) And those that are difficult to make out and perceive ) Emotionless faces help this a lot)
Your constructive analysis is, of course, very interesting, but all people have different accents and tastes) You can have an endless dialogue ) Therefore, I will not continue it)
It's very beautifully shot, you can't take that away from the series, but the plot is crumpled:(
And with the re-sounding of Wolfgang, it turns out very funny: I hear Matveev - I see Matveev))
But I want to mention Serebryakov, he played great! I didn't even recognize him right away)
Baruch's backstory was not enough, and the fact that he did not run on the second day of his presence at the shelter, but because he was being driven. One scene of a "warm welcome" cannot be avoided here.
I compared these two projects because they were shot by the same studio and using the example of "Others", you can additionally (in addition to what we have already been shown from the filming of "Eterna") evaluate how she works with the visual of the worlds she creates, well, and then your own imagination begins to work and figure out what those might look like or other scenes from the book.
This is quite appropriate here, it is not necessary to take as a basis a project following the same style and genre, the principle is important. It's enough that both series involve a lot of work with the construction of the world.
But as a matter of fact, even if Boruch had introduced himself as a Ghanaian and spoke only German, I'm afraid this would not have saved him much from questions about his far from Aryan appearance. Why should you be so upset?
In general, I started reading the book in parallel, because the first series seemed cardboard and I don't regret it. The language is pleasant and the plot is moving, it's a pity that this is not transmitted on the screen. 🥲
In the book, as I understand it, he does not have such a pronounced appearance, because at some point in his homeless life he stops wearing the patch that Jews should have worn, and there is no reaction. And then Katarina's breakdown and her demands become clear. But in the series, these lines have lost all meaning. They were not adapted, in short. 🤔
Cooperate with the Reich, shine a Jewish boy in front of them and then tell him off that he's burning down the office. Shta? 😅
The characters are all equally flat so far. At least some charisma slips through the man in the mask. The love line between GG and that crazy guy is instantly read (maybe I'm wrong, but I'm sorry in advance for his wife, on whom he scored such a specific chatterbox). And yes, as we wrote above, the main character is a local Bella from Twilight.
The camerawork is excellent. It was beautifully shot. But the actors spoil everything