@tsarinadzicc: There is generally not enough logic in these scenes. Well, okay, let's say to calm her down. It seems that he had already cut it off with an injection, but then he was going to cut it in his mind.. But we must somehow let the main character survive the episode)))
It's the middle of the season, and the plot is moving dynamically from location to location. The step with the new finger was also not very clear, apparently the robot's program is broken, it is ready to treat and remove organs.
Well, I finally saw the diner, the photos of which were the first to appear on the web. It's a pity, though, that the heroes didn't spend much time outside.
@Choly_Cavel: for a stupid answer. The person on top obviously hasn't tried Psycho either, but he answered your question, and it's like you're imputing to him/her that he/she tried.
@Choly_Cavel: And Lucy is no better. She could have seen for herself who she was going to let out. Although she is resolute, she is difficult to analyze, every other time.
@Abnormality: she grew up in a bunker of tolerance, in love, etc. Plus teenage maximalism, when the world is cruel and unfair, now I will put things in order here, because people should be good.
@ppcpc10: When it comes to people, then so be it. But in my subjective opinion, she has already seen enough to understand that these guys are no longer very human. Or does the instinct of self-preservation not develop in the bunker?
I like the way the plot is developing, Goggins' Ghoul is just as cool, Lucy seems to be fine. I wonder what will happen next with Lucy's brother, Norman)
I went to metacritic to read user reviews, and I was really annoyed by these exclamations " spit in the face of fans", "do not understand Entertainment" and so on. You can see that Lore Nolan and Joy are fumbling. And Todd, no matter how you treat him with controversial decisions in the third and fourth fouls, also, apparently, does not let go of creative control. And maybe Howard never managed to get into the plot, for that he was no worse than Black Isle at getting into the atmosphere. And here, in the construction of the world, the guys (according to the intermediate result of the four series) were quite successful, I think. The easiest way to look at the example of shelters. In general, the experiment with three volts as models of the structure of society makes no sense if we assume that Vault-Tec started this for the sake of recolonization of America: why such experiments when you can reach the optimal model on the ground, just by going outside? But if we take another, in my opinion, the most viable version of Tim Kaine (at least valid for the first folych), what were the shelters for (the government/ enclave in conjunction with VaultTec launches ships into space with selected residents and experimental results from all shelters - why return to the scorched earth?), in general, it already makes sense. In the confined space of the ship, you have no right to make mistakes. And it seems that the guys relied on this approach, which already gives them a hundred points ahead. And so it is in everything. Every steam pack, bike, jet, everything looks very authentic. Everyone complains about the plastic armor, but when I imagine how it would be to walk in such a machine if it were tin, I'm so scared to even imagine what an actor should have been like. So far, of course, there is not enough action, I hope that Bezos coughed up some money for the creators at the climax and we will see a couple of shootouts with Fat Man, Bozars, Gauss, etc.
@Skyscore: about armor - this is about those who were waiting for the creation of a full-fledged working prototype for the series, in order to be as authentic as possible😁
@drundel: I like the armor with my naked eye, the comparison with the lacquered painted stark armor, which shimmers in the light, is generally inappropriate, in my opinion, the other texture is absolutely. "the most stupid, soy, cartoonish " value judgment, the same as "lamp atmosphere". Where are the facts? If Tim Kane, who created the universe, is delighted and noted a bunch of small details, including the walk like Junky in shady sands. Here, every element of the world is verified, every artifact from the games, yes, in the design of the last parts, but who in their right mind would use the assets of Coca-Cola from the first part? Or are you talking about a narrative spirit, not a game designer spirit? so everything is here: the journey of the Campbell hero, who will return to the shelter for others, a mixture of darkness and madness from mad max, corporate lawlessness, and not superficially presented, in my opinion, allusions to politics both through expos in shelters and through the struggle of factions.
In general, mushroom disputes about this conservative bububu for the good old are meaningless, fans used to have it better, the book is better, and other things - the image in my head has completely fused with feelings, whether from childhood, or from a period when the grass was greener, and not this rotten, corrupt and artificial
@Skyscore: I am more than sure that Howard fumbles for ent more than many. Even though he did not recognize the Foul Bible as canon, he often turned to it even when developing recent games, and this is evident because there are very few contradictions between the old and the new. There are obvious problems that definitely need to be talked about - the failed launch of the 76th, the donation mechanics of Shelter, the weak quests of the four - but the constructed virtual world of the gazebo from the last parts as a whole is not among the problems, in my opinion
@drundel: about lampiness, it occurred to me that the absurdity of the dogmatically fanatical demands of fans of the izmotrich Talmud and exclamations about the plasticity of the gazebo New Testament parts is best conveyed by an analogy with Super Mario Movie - imagine that fans of the NES eight-bit Mario parts got mad and signed a petition so that the film would be shot in 2d perspective with an original design
@Skyscore: I compare armor precisely by its visual plausibility. Tim Kane is not the creator of the universe, he is primarily a programmer and game designer, and he designed the mechanics of the game, its role-playing sitcom. Completely different people were responsible for the plot, ent, and script. Details, yes, I agree. A bunch of all sorts of Easter eggs and references, both visual and in dialogues, the whole soundtrack was delivered from the game. Only it's all just external attributes. Formally, everything is in the series and 4 parts, the same as in the classics: evil corporations, mutants, viruses, brotherhood of steel, enclave, nuclear war, ultra-violence, that's all. That's just Todd Howard, 200 years after the nuclear war, has a supermarket next to the raider settlement. And it has shelves full of groceries. In communicating shelters, they arrange a wedding and invite everyone to their place, but before that, in 200 years, they had never seen each other and did not know their neighbors by sight. The Brotherhood of Steel, in fact, is a rigid organization of religious fanatics, the cowardly and incompetent Titus or whatever his name was would never have become a knight there. Well, I can still throw a lot of this, just not caring about building the world. The classic games in the series were inspired primarily by science fiction and American folklore. In addition, they are essentially text quests. That is, they have a literary basis, and it feels like just a higher level of content. Yes, there is also madness, black and toilet humor, but the world is more logical and plausible. This is all my IMHO, I do not pretend to be the truth, but it seems that the film adaptation of those fallouts would be much more interesting. But this series is also normal, as thoughtless entertainment at the end of the working day is very good.
@drundel: >Tim Kane is not the creator of the universe, he is primarily a programmer and game designer, and he designed the mechanics of the game, its role-playing sitcom. Completely different people were responsible for the plot, ent, and script
Tim Kane is, of course, a developer by profession, but in the context of a fallout, he is primarily a producer - that is, the main person with creative control over the project, he has been working on the game alone for a long time. And when Taylor was already involved in design, Boyarsky as an illustrator and Green in dialogues, Kane still had creative control (although in parallel he was engaged in development).
In my opinion, calling the components of the world "details" is a superficial approach. It's like sitting in 2024, sitting on a fantlab and listening to Russian rock of the nineties, living in a paradigm where pop is still bad music, but there is such a native, real, sincere, blood type on the sleeve. It's like calling fashion something passing, and therefore illusory. It wouldn't bother me so much if people didn't attack those who are trying to change something, and didn't cover up with bright memories their unwillingness to admit that the new is frightening, the desire to hide the pain of changes (I don't know you and I'm only talking about such a frequent approach perhaps this is not applicable to you, I see a parallel only on a fragmentary review) No less creative resource is invested in each monogram of the Coca-Cola font from the gazebo than in thousands of lines of the quest. These are tens of thousands of hours of research on retro-futurism in general and Art Deco aesthetics in particular, these are sleepless nights of coordination and alignment of different symbols into one stylistic canvas. It's harder than writing a good dialogue. I would even say that the design of the series (from the very first part, this green font, these wolf fights, everything in general) is 80% of why folych is in our hearts. And if Mark O Greene was inspired by science fiction, then the illustrator Boyarsky is Caravaggio, and there is no less there. Textocentricity is a flat-bottomed thing, the straightforward meaning is generally overestimated, the concept in its bare form is often banal and does not work in isolation from other creative elements, just dialogues - like fast carbohydrates, penetrate the brain faster and evoke thoughts, emotions and experiences in us, and in order to bring everything else to a conscious level of perception, energy needs to be spent.
@drundel: gt; in addition, they are essentially text quests , I'm sorry, but this point does not stand up to any criticism at all. If you look at the core mechanics, then isometric fouls are primarily role-playing games, where character wagering is a really important part of the mechanics, dialogues are just one of the ways to implement this wagering. Moreover, it is far from ideal, especially in the first part, where Kane and Boyarsky admitted in an interview that due to the fact that all the non-inscriptions had already been voiced and there was no money for re-sounding, it was the character's answers that were adjusted in order to somehow lay it down and make sense. And it's noticeable! Have you been playing the game for a long time? I've been going through the original quite recently. Dialogues do not shine with direct talent, to be honest, stamps are cut in places, by modern standards, characters are functions, there are a lot of copied dummies. This is not disco elysium and not Japanese visual novels, where the text is really the main mechanics. Judging by the amount of text, it is more likely that other Black Isle games are called textual, where the role is less important and replay value is less (the first baldur, plainscape, etc.) and more descriptive dialogues (which are almost absent in folych). I'm not talking about the second one at all, I've established a tradition of releasing imperfections under the deadline. The main quest is terrible, the action is broken - worse than the first, the skill check does not work, the lines are redundant, strange kitsch and an inappropriate absurdity appeared, and so on. And it cannot be called text-centric, if the second one stands out, it is rather the diversity of the world and its content, again.
@drundel: It seems that the film adaptation of those fallouts would be much more interesting. The chronological adaptation of the games, in my opinion, is a DISASTROUSLY failed idea. Conceptually, two approaches are possible - last of as (boring literal translation, you can't talk about creativity, it's content, a product, but it's not a movie or art) and warcraft (Bowie's son, relying on folklore books like the rise of the horde, enriches his ideas and builds his world in the style of a Blizzard" - Great! there is both novelty and fidelity to the original. But it is doomed to commercial failure. It's too subtle. There is also a lightweight version of D&D recent, but such an adaptation of the Foul would infuriate everyone, so it cannot even be considered.
To take a separate story, give it recognizable attributes, tell a new chapter, without pretensions to the narrative depth of any numbered part, is a much more ambitious task, I think the guys went the right way along this path
@Skyscore: I would rather like to see a spinoff game based on this series without role-playing, like Wolfenstein from MachineGames, a good joke (I haven't come up with an interesting brother line yet).
@drundel: Have you watched anything from the 90s for a long time? There is no lamp atmosphere, only duckling syndrome is playing in you. You've grown up and the world has lost its colors, congratulations, now you see the scenery, the fake and the pretense. It's everywhere, it all depends on perception. Try to sit without content, clear your taste buds.
@SergioVolkoviato: смотрел Чужого первого недавно, это даже раньше чем 90-е, 79 год, смотрится великолепно. У меня нет никакого синдрома утёнка, первые Fallout объективно лучше написаны. Про ламповость кстати можно буквально воспринимать: в мире Fallout компы и вся электроника работает на лампах вместо привычных транзисторов, потому что лампы устойчивы к ЭМИ, который случится при ядерном взрыве. Оттуда и весь ретрофутуризм в мире игры. Это к вопросу о том насколько заморочивались люди при написании лора вселенной. Или может саундтрек, первых частей устарел? Ничего подобного. Да, игры устарели графически и геймплейно (и это тоже весьма спорный момент, учитывая какое количство изометрических пошаговых RPG выходит в последенее время), но точно не худежественно. Ремейки старых игр бьют рекорды по популярности - это у всех тоже синдром утёнка или просто игры всё-таки хорошие были?
@Skyscore: При чём тут хронология? Я не про хронологию а про дух повествования и его уровень. Было бы интереснее смотреть про политические интриги как в Игре Престолов, про так сильные сообщества вроде Города-Убежища или НКР подминают под себя слабые, договорняки с рейдерами для достижения своих политеческих целей, борьба за ресурсы, различные социальные устройства в разных сообществах и так далее. Был такой древний мем "Вы не понимаете сути Пустошей". Вот как раз сюда подходит. Вместо сути пустошей нам дают веселую расчлененку и костюмчики прямо как в игре, с кучей тупых моментов без какой-либо логики. Так задумано, видимо, создатели считают, что геймеры это глупые инфантилы, которым надо показать просто как можно больше кровищи и пасхалок. Наративно (ты так любишь это слово) как раз серия деградировала.
@Skyscore: Серьезно? В вензель шрифта нюка-колы, которая просто пародия на кока-колу с таким же шрифтом вложено столько же ресурса сколько в тысячи строк квеста? Десятки тысяч часов ресерча и дизайнеры из Bethesda выдают винтовку, у которой затвор никак не соединен со стволом. Или fusion core которое питает целое убежище и обеспечивает его ресурсами, используещеяся в силовой броне. У Браства Стали целая куча этой брони и соответсвенно этих ядер, при этом они не построили себе даже туалет. Или убежище в котором уже 200 лет люди живут как раньше при этом пускают всех подряд и его никто не разорил. Может стоило потратить эти десятки тысяч часов на что-нибудь другое.
@drundel: I watched a Stranger a couple of years ago, a great movie. His favorite characters are John Huston, Elia Kazan, John Cassavetes. I dearly love the noir films of the 40s or Siegel's debut "invasion of the Body Snatchers", the original "the Day the earth Stopped". It's not ironic that I can play Tempest with Atari or go through the first Zelda and get high in both cases. There's nothing wrong with the classics, I love the first fouls too. The games were good. I disagree about duckling syndrome, by the way. I see you have a lot of validity in what you have viewed (although the deuce to the medmen and the casting after the first cut speaks volumes). I think this is a special case of conservative conceptualism. My point is that these games are not without sin, and they are undeservedly idealized. Yes, even this is not scary, but a condescending attitude to what the gazebo did, and an inadequate requirement that they continue according to the precepts of the founding fathers. So you remembered the fashion for isometry - and I'm afraid to imagine that the new follouts would be something essentially secondary (albeit good-quality places) like Shadowrun Returns, Wasteland 2, Pillars of Eternity, Torment: Tides of Numenera or other nostalgic content on Unity for the money of forty-year-old peasants from the kickstarter. A relatively good option would be the path of the Larians (their path from the mediocre diabloid Divine Divinity to Baldur 3 is worthy of respect), but only our heroes, who scattered along inXile and Obsidian, are not Larian, alas.
@drundel: >Remakes of old games are breaking records in popularity
Remakes of nineties games rarely break records, take the last year (Black Mesa, System Shock, C&C, Diablo 2) - with the exception of the latter, these are niche products for the nostalgic, albeit excellent. By the numbers, they are still a long way from remakes of zero games (Dead Space / Resident Evil 4). There is a variant like Resident Evil 2 remake, but in my opinion, this is much more of a new game, much like the film adaptation of the first warcraft and the first warcraft itself.
What I agree about conceptualism is that it sometimes works well, for example, some Abrams "cloverfield" 2008 removes Emmerich's 1997 "Godzilla" (but classic Japanese kaiju or Del Toro's "frontier" they'll do both of them). It's like with women's underwear - fantasy works, what's underneath. So it was with "monster", so it was with "alien", the first fouls worked on this "thinking"
@Skyscore: lol, I completely forgot that the second diablo is two thousandth)) But it's like he's been with us all his life. Technologically - purely a game of the nineties, the twisted first
@drundel: >>I'm not talking about chronology, but about the spirit of the narrative and its level. It would be more interesting to watch about political intrigues like in the Game of Thrones, about how strong communities like the City of Refuge or the NKR are crushing the weak, negotiating with raiders to achieve their political goals, fighting for resources, various social arrangements in different communities, and so on.
I think that if they had started ideologically with such a new approach right away (from the start, without onboarding the viewer into the world, with deep dialogues, etc.), it would have been very risky. Well, the same Expanse, a good-quality saifai, Amazon picked it up on the fourth sizo, as a result, a third of the saga did not reach due to low ratings (although the fan community is, of course, strong, but it is not enough). Although it was exactly what you're talking about. The example of Game of Thrones is an exception that rarely works even in such a massive product as fantasy.
This is how strong communities like the City of Refuge or the NKR are crushing weak ones, negotiating with raiders to achieve their political goals, fighting for resources, various social arrangements in different communities, and so on.
I think, even if not in such an explicit form, but all this will happen, but it was more important for them to capture the world, identify conflicts, and this is the right move
@drundel: >in the world of Fallout, computers and all electronics run on lamps instead of the usual transistors, because the lamps are resistant to EMR, which will happen in a nuclear explosion. That's where all retrofuturism comes from.
Um, is there any proof? I doubt it very much, to be honest. I watched a lot of interviews, Boyarsky suggested that Kane use retro-futurism as aesthetics in the context of robot design (based on kinch "Forbidden planet"), and then it came up about lamps and so on. Maybe one of the developers has already pulled up by the ears after the release, but I doubt it very much. Well, I must say that the retrofuturism of the first fouls is a representation from 1997 about how people of the 1950s imagined the world of the 21st century, which stopped at the level of development of the 20th. The retrofuturism of the gazebo is a representation from the 2010s about the world of the 22xx in the style of the 1950s. Of course, this is a simplification, but it has the right to live, because it is somehow strange to continue the Black Isle approach in the 21st century
@drundel: >Seriously? Is there as much resource invested in the monogram of the Coca-Cola font, which is just a parody of Coca-Cola with the same font as in thousands of lines of the quest? Well, yes, I think so. If you look at the original font in the first foul and the change in the design of the bottles and the logo at the gazebo - yes, I see a lot of work. It's enough to go to the fallout wiki and read about the 77th judicial wars over the shape of the bottle
>Tens of thousands of hours of research and designers from Bethesda give out a rifle with a bolt not connected to the barrel in any way. I don't remember what you're talking about, it's possible. Everyone makes mistakes. Were there not enough mistakes in the first parts?
gt;Or fusion core, which powers the entire shelter and provides it with resources used in power armor. The Brotherhood has a whole bunch of this armor and, accordingly, these cores, while they did not even build themselves a toilet. Or a shelter in which people have been living for 200 years as before, while letting everyone in and no one has ruined it. Maybe it was worth spending those tens of thousands of hours on something else This is " for 200 years " not that, not that - the most frequent claim. Well, it is just as easy to apply to the first parts. For me, this is a big convention. Well, the world would be cleared, toilets would be installed, and skyscrapers would be demolished and rebuilt, a new state would be established, and so on.
In reality, how many years did it take Germany after the bombing to rebuild? How much to transform into the dominant force in the European Union? How long will Hiroshima and Nagasaki be cleared of radioactive emissions? The retro apocalypse genre needs unrealistic conservation, this is an adequate convention. Otherwise, you can claim exactly the same for giant insects
@Skyscore: It's amazing how much time you've spent discussing with people who think Todd Howard doesn't know the canon, but they, ordinary Russian guys, know to the last comma. It reminds me of the story when J.K. Rowling was told on some forum where she sat anonymously that she did not know the ent of Harry Potter)
@Olliver: Who is Todd Howard to know the fallout canon? How does he differ from ordinary fans of the original series here? Under his leadership, not a single canonical game came out, which in fact proved that he did not know Laura or strenuously wanted to bring in more shit)
@ppcpc10: I hesitate to ask, who in your reality determines the canonicity of the game?) is it by any chance a publishing company, or is it a development company?)
@Olliver: А зачем Тодд взял для своих игр готовую IP со сложивщейся фанбазой? Разве сложно свой пост-апок сеттинг придумать? Нет, не сложно. Наверное, хотел срубить бабла на людях, для которых вселенная стала культовой? Ну так нечего удивляться, что этим людям не нравится, когда их любимые игрушки ломают и переделывают. С другой стороны, конечно, раз купил - может делать что хочет. Я вот не могу себе позволить купить IP Fallout, но зато могу бугуртить в интернетах, это бесплатно.
@Olliver: and who was Todd in Fallout 1 and 2? Or should Fallout 3 be taken as the canon? Somehow New Vegas came to me more and suddenly there were people from Black Isle in the developers, who developed the first parts, and not the Gazebo with Howard.
@drundel: it would be interesting to get acquainted with the statistics on how much money old-age fans brought to the gazebo, and how much - new ones who got acquainted with the universe in f3 and later. Coming up with your own setting is easier, selling it is more difficult, everything is simple \_ (ツ) _/ and if you believe the sales figures of the video games sales wiki, f3 sold out at 100 (one hundred) times more copies than f2 - which should hint that Howard's bet "and let's make a game that will appeal not only to oldfags, but will also be able to attract a new audience " turned out to be generally correct, and the ratio between old and new fans should also hint to us. Nostalgic tears alone can't beat off the AAA title now, unfortunately, you need to be able to sell the setting to people who didn't play isometric fallout 10 years ago - and I won't immediately remember successful isometric titles in 2008. But - I appreciate your self-irony, it is not the most frequent beast in these our internets.
@ppcpc10: and who were you in Fallout 1 and 2?) Tell me, do you know a lot of game series, in the releases of which there have been no significant changes in 2 successive generations of consoles and 10 years? I'm glad that New Vegas came to you, I have nothing against it, but f3 sold better by +-10%, and f4 - 2 times than NV; so maybe there is not only your opinion on the Internet, but the marketing department of the gazebo sees that releases not from Obsidian bring more money (what, I'll tell you in secret, is the main goal of any company, and game-building - including; "to make sure that the number of rivets on the power armor in the 3rd part coincides with the number in the 2nd, so that one and a half anonymous oldfags are happy " the company's goal is not)? The company has a choice - either to make a popular product (which is very likely to turn on the whining mode of old fans), make money from it, and continue to release games and TV series, or continue to do something niche and eventually die (who said Interplay?). I don't know about you, but I will choose the first of two options - because I will be glad to return to the wasteland more than once, in a new story and new locations
@Olliver: so are we talking about the canon or about "first achieve" and"millions of flies can't be wrong"? I consider parts 1 and 2 of the game to be the canon, because the universe began with this, its creator took part in the development, etc. No matter how much someone likes what there is, how it is sold and that's all. Tomorrow, fan fiction in the universe will become popular and will you write it down in the canons if it brings money to its creator?
@ppcpc10: the only game that is not officially included in the canon is Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel. Everything else is canonical and has its influence on the world of the game, whether the fans want it or not. Not to mention that all sorts of retcons in the Fallout series are not a new phenomenon.
@Olliver: Я считаю, что некорректно сравнивать голые цифры продаж игры 98 года и игры 2008 года, совершенно другой климат в индустрии видеоигр. В 98 году из всех, кого я знал, компьютер был у меня и одного одноклассника. Достать любую новую игру было квестом похлеще основного квеста из ф3. Ну и все равно логики я не прослеживаю: если делается ставка на новых игроков, каким образом старая вселенная способствует продажам?
@ppcpc10: mon ami, please note, about " and what Todd Howard did for hip-hop in his years" you started) all the questions I asked - on which, in fact, I asked your opinion - you ignored) what do you consider canon - I didn't seem to ask you \_ (ツ) _/ so, taking into account your level of discussion, I will answer in a similar way: the opinion of one and a half anonymous oldfags of the gazebo (and yours in particular), fortunately, cares little; do you know how to do better? Buy the rights from the gazebo and make it better. No money to buy the rights from the gazebo? Make a mod based on the engine and based on any fallout you like, distribute it in millions of copies, become the producer of the next part of the Fallout. Can't you do that either? Well, then I agree, you just have to turn on the self-irony mode of one of the neighboring commentators (if, of course, you are smart enough to irony yourself) and whine "nikanon!!!1!" If it's not clear, I'll paraphrase the classic "who eats a girl, that girl dances": if the rights now belong to the gazebo, then everything that the gazebo does is now canon - no matter how much it contradicts the previous parts (and in places itself), and on how many anonymous people disagree with this. So, after the release of the second part, there were also people who were outraged that the fallout was no longer a cake; if the creators had listened to every such opinion, we would have been left not only without a fallout, but also without games in principle
@drundel: With all due respect, if you or your friend's residence permit did not look like "New York region, New York City", then you are as unrepresentative as possible for the history of video games and their sales (in the territory of the former USSR, sales of computers and video games were as bad as possible for other reasons, as uncharacteristic as possible to the West). Regarding " it is incorrect to compare " - here I disagree with you; let's compare other series with releases +- in the same years: NFS: Hot Pursuit (1998) - Most Wanted (2005) (We will not take Undercover 2008, because sales there are even more dull): 1.7 million copies - 16 million (growth +- 10 times); GTA: I(1997) - IV (2008): 3 million - 25 million (growth +- the same 10 times); TES (suddenly, from the same gazebo, and, starting with Morra, personally from Howard): Daggerfall (1996) - Oblivion (2006): 120k - 9.5 million (+-80 times growth). Tell me, are you sure you want to tell Uncle Todd how he should make games?) If you make a new setting, only new players will buy the game from you; if you make a game in the old setting, new players + old players + friends of old players will buy it from you. Even if the old 120k players are still money, which is not superfluous, even for such corporate monsters like the gazebo.
@ppcpc10: Fallout 2 can be played after the end of the plot - Nikanon! In fallout 2, you can push NPCs out of the way, and not get stuck in the room - that's it, f2 nikanon! In fallout 1, the entrance to shelter 15 is a shack in the middle of the desert, and in f2 is a concrete building next to a rock - well, that's it, 100% nikanon, Interplay on soap, ruined such a cool universe created... oh, wait
@Olliver: What did I start? Did you add pathos to your messages, but did you forget or not master what others wrote? For me, the canon is the first 2 parts. In general, I don't care who bought what there and how many people buy it from them. Todd has nothing to do with these first parts, he differs from ordinary fans from the Internet here only in that he has the resource to make his own moon park with blackjack. Well, go and see more remakes of Soviet comedies, because this is the canon, people were able to attract money and earned on it. I'm not interested in making mods based on other people's universes. If I decide to go to game dev, I'll do something of my own, don't worry.
@ppcpc10: What did you start? you started asking "who is Todd Howard to know the canon ", and " who he was in Fallout 1 and 2" to the questions, where did you get the idea that you know better, how to further develop the series, and, for example, when asked why you think that you know ENT better than Howard (especially with his team), you tactfully remain silent)) so if I were you, I would also keep quiet about who in this dialogue does not manage to understand what he has read, at least you can pass for someone who can read) that you have already told everyone here what is canon for you, and what is Nikanon!!1!1", does not make your opinion more valuable in anyone's eyes - sad, I agree, but try to come to terms with this fact, life is a pain (for those who are not particularly prone to excessive reflection, I repeat: after the rights to the universe passed to the gazebo, everything that the gazebo does is canon No matter what you think about it, me and 30 million other players. Yes, yes, reread this thought and try to understand it before writing again what you personally consider to be the canon; and once again, please. Whoa, now you can start answering) As soon as you get off the couch and do something more useful than telling everyone you meet about Nikanon!" - if you go to a game show, for example, be sure to let me know, I will be happy to get acquainted with what you will succeed. In the meantime, as a negative feedback, go cancel your subscription to Amazon TV - you're probably so loudly outraged by a low-quality series, because you paid money for a subscription, and did not download the series with pirated voiceover on the left site, right?)
@Olliver: what makes you think that I even know lor fallout and claim something? Reread it again if you didn't get it from the first and you don't need to fantasize for me. I don't care about millions of players and who thinks what is canon. I do not write down parasitism on other people's universes in the canon on the basis of the fact that there is money. It's funny to read about getting off the couch on the Internet from some kind of nouname, no one needs an opinion. What will you be useful for yourself? I watched the series in the original voiceover on rutube. Amazon subscription does not work in Russia, go ask them why they refuse my money, I'm not going to run after them. What else can you think of about me? Maybe there will be something interesting at least? And so far everything has been banal and dull.
@ppcpc10: if under your statement "Under the leadership of Howard, not a single canonical game came out, which in fact proved that he does not know Laura or strenuously wants to bring in more shit " it was not meant " I (rrsrs10) personally believe that fouls from the gazebo are not canon (but this means that I have a sufficient level of knowledge about the universe to consider it necessary to leave this comment)" - I ask either a) to quote someone's authoritative opinion that, they say, " all the thematic products of the Gazebo are cosplay on fallout" (again, your quote), or b) to clarify what was meant in your phrase, if not "I know better than Howard what is canon and what is not."? Well, I'll have to repeat it for the fiftieth time: just as the word halva will not make your mouth sweeter, so your writing about which parts you consider canon will not affect anything in this world; I hope this time you will hear me, and you will not write your very important opinion for the hundredth time. The fact that you do not consider the releases from the gazebo to be canon in any way - I repeat, in no way - does not make them not canon, because, bpd, the series did not die in the second part, and everything that is done in it further, even, bpd, other people who - as it happens - are now copyright holders This universe is now the canon, regardless of whether you are ready to accept it, and no matter how many times you say that this is not the canon \_ (ツ) _/ Mon cher ami, please note that you initiated our dialogue, and you are also dissatisfied with Howard's work; what does my humble personality have to do with it? If you criticize, offer, as they say; the key to success in any field) "I'm not going to run after them, so I'll just spin their product, and then I'll tell everyone what guano they released" we'll approve-with you here)
@Olliver: I stole a beautiful thing here from comments from YouTube: "Well, then we are waiting for a ghost in a Hole, a drug trip with the creation of Myron jet (screw) at 0 years old (Avellon did not master dates and school mathematics), intelligent claws of death, STRANGERS (just strangers from popular horror films at that time), and The main thing is super soldiers from claws, super soldiers from aliens, super soldiers from super mutants (more super soldiers to God super soldiers!), as well as the authorities hide. In Fallout 1, there was no enclave, no shelter experiments, and the satire of the failure of shelters was precisely due to the fact that they were built by incompetent builders under incompetent leadership, but marketers successfully sold this stuff to American citizens. As a result, it was Fallout 2 that made a serious +/-post. Apoca clowning with Leslie Nielson." But, of course, we will pour shit on Howard for ruining such a gorgeous, serious post-apocalypse
@Skyscore: I think those who miss out on metacritic wanted a darker world, but here Folych was shown to be hyper-emotional, bright...not so deliberately serious.
@Fatal: The setting has not been deliberately serious for a long time, if it was still somehow in Fallout 3, then Fallout 4, from which there are a lot of aspects and elements taken, everything is just bright and colorful. More than 15 years have passed, and people are still counting on Bethesda to stick to the style of the first two parts.
@Fatal: It's not just bright, it's plastic. Clean, without a single speck of dust or scratch. The decorators just stuck any kind of papier-mache on the art and decided that it would do.
@Skyscore: Well, there's an ancient Robocop where the armor is felt through the screen. Years later, of course, the actors do not know how to do this and they did not deliver normal graphics. Technologies of lost civilizations.
I agree, but not completely. It is smart with shelters so that the gene pool is as different as possible and there is no struggle for resources. And the armor, it was enough just to finish painting it normally. Darken it somewhere, add something else somewhere, and now it will weigh a little more. But this is purely a minor quibble. It was possible to make it so that the pancake knight did not fly away from yaogai, leaving his "slave" there without armor to cope himself
Отличная серия, погнала наконец-то динамика. Люси и Гуль поменялись местами и хорошо стало видно, как быстро девчонка превратилась из бункерной зайки в ту, что себя в обиду не даст. Это круто.
Lucy is very impressed as a character, it was amazing to watch the ghoul bullying her all the way :/ Although it's understandable why he and everyone like him became so violent, because of the survival instinct on the surface… The robot delivered, though maniacello x)
Lucy is just unreal! And because of the series, I just want to give up everything and go through the fouls (although this desire is more related to 3d from the series)
"I thought I was going to be a sex slave" - what a disgusting thought! I'll just take your organs! I can 't scream ... The series is above all praise, in the spirit of folych definitely.
At first, there were quite mixed impressions, but the further you go, the cooler it gets. I feel like this is going to be one of my favorite movie adaptations.
@kakhmetgalieva: not alone, there are some elements of a character with a double bottom, moreover, even the general methodology for plotting by Nolan and Joy is not that invented on a Foul, the examples will be spoilers, but in general you are right
@Skyscore: yes, even without spoilers, parallels can be traced in the structure of the first season of Westworld and Fallout, the characters travel through the destroyed world / park, occasionally crossing each other's paths
@flaxman: I thought that she was trying to seduce him in this way, so that later he would side with her and her brother GG and support the execution of the invaders. Did she really seduce him?..
With a finger tin, of course. But what's surprising, the Ghoul has no brakes at all, it was clear already when they took him out of the grave 🤪 Lucy came out charged after the supermarket in a good sense of the word 😀 In general, the dynamics of the series is only growing, and I really like it.
Да ладно. Что это за "чик" и всё. Когда ножом палец оттяпать пытаются - это ж невероятная боль. Тут крики, истерика, слёзы должны быть. Урок "кровь за кровь" тут подан очень неуклюже. Ну, хотя бы дуга характера начала проявляться у Люси (да и у её брата тоже). И почему она не залутала локацию???
P.S. Супер-дупер маркет совсем не такой как в третьем фолыче.
I haven't played the game, but I've seen and heard a lot of good things. The series is cool! I get such pleasure from this storm of meat, jokes and cool visual!
Well, OK, I started the series playing the Nintendo Switch and if I postponed it in the process, then this series did not hit the dirt. Applause, directors, you have interested me in some way. Hello, Cosworth. Bad Cosworth, evil Cosworth (got a discharge) What kind of liquid do Ghouls take? Knowing that Volt Tech was experimenting in shelters, they could have released some psychotropic gas on the 31st.
People here are arguing over technical points in the series... and it just hurt me to watch Lucy calmly leave the supermarket light where you could get so many useful things...
@Dw4it: I love munchkin habits, but I can't take on half of the store with a weight limit 😅 😅 😅 and lyuska is generally from Walt, eё life has not yet learned to sin everything пол useful))) well, at least I got there там
The creators coolly transfer images from games to the screen. The supermarket reminded me of the same one from the first city of the four. The desert is the northern region of Fallout 76. Bert's wife is a walt girl. The caretaker's office is one-to-one. Etc.
– I thought I was going to be a sex slave! – Oh, no. I'm just going to extract your organs.
She screamed like a seagull. How I love the humor in this series! Black, like my morning coffee.
It gets cooler and cooler with each episode. I wonder what's going on with the conspiracy in the shelter. And what does Mom have to do with it? Intrigues, passions, wow.
Goggins in the role of a ghoul is a God. I've only seen this actor before in Tarantino's The Abominable Eight, the best character there, by the way. Now here it is, also the best. I even watched his filmography on kinopoisk. Mostly small roles in little-known films and serial episodes, but I added something, I'll try to take a look.
Well, I finally saw the diner, the photos of which were the first to appear on the web. It's a pity, though, that the heroes didn't spend much time outside.
Although she is resolute, she is difficult to analyze, every other time.
Wait a minute. If I remember correctly, she only saw two ghouls. One of which had to be butchered! :-0
Has she seen any wild ones? There seems to be a lot of medicines here. It can be assumed that with her naivety, she thought that she could "treat"?
She grew up in her greenhouse, and she will not act adequately for the inhabitants of the wasteland world. :-(
The easiest way to look at the example of shelters. In general, the experiment with three volts as models of the structure of society makes no sense if we assume that Vault-Tec started this for the sake of recolonization of America: why such experiments when you can reach the optimal model on the ground, just by going outside? But if we take another, in my opinion, the most viable version of Tim Kaine (at least valid for the first folych), what were the shelters for (the government/ enclave in conjunction with VaultTec launches ships into space with selected residents and experimental results from all shelters - why return to the scorched earth?), in general, it already makes sense. In the confined space of the ship, you have no right to make mistakes. And it seems that the guys relied on this approach, which already gives them a hundred points ahead.
And so it is in everything. Every steam pack, bike, jet, everything looks very authentic. Everyone complains about the plastic armor, but when I imagine how it would be to walk in such a machine if it were tin, I'm so scared to even imagine what an actor should have been like.
So far, of course, there is not enough action, I hope that Bezos coughed up some money for the creators at the climax and we will see a couple of shootouts with Fat Man, Bozars, Gauss, etc.
"the most stupid, soy, cartoonish " value judgment, the same as "lamp atmosphere". Where are the facts? If Tim Kane, who created the universe, is delighted and noted a bunch of small details, including the walk like Junky in shady sands. Here, every element of the world is verified, every artifact from the games, yes, in the design of the last parts, but who in their right mind would use the assets of Coca-Cola from the first part? Or are you talking about a narrative spirit, not a game designer spirit? so everything is here: the journey of the Campbell hero, who will return to the shelter for others, a mixture of darkness and madness from mad max, corporate lawlessness, and not superficially presented, in my opinion, allusions to politics both through expos in shelters and through the struggle of factions.
In general, mushroom disputes about this conservative bububu for the good old are meaningless, fans used to have it better, the book is better, and other things - the image in my head has completely fused with feelings, whether from childhood, or from a period when the grass was greener, and not this rotten, corrupt and artificial
There are obvious problems that definitely need to be talked about - the failed launch of the 76th, the donation mechanics of Shelter, the weak quests of the four - but the constructed virtual world of the gazebo from the last parts as a whole is not among the problems, in my opinion
>Tim Kane is not the creator of the universe, he is primarily a programmer and game designer, and he designed the mechanics of the game, its role-playing sitcom. Completely different people were responsible for the plot, ent, and script
Tim Kane is, of course, a developer by profession, but in the context of a fallout, he is primarily a producer - that is, the main person with creative control over the project, he has been working on the game alone for a long time. And when Taylor was already involved in design, Boyarsky as an illustrator and Green in dialogues, Kane still had creative control (although in parallel he was engaged in development).
>Only it's all just external attributes
In my opinion, calling the components of the world "details" is a superficial approach. It's like sitting in 2024, sitting on a fantlab and listening to Russian rock of the nineties, living in a paradigm where pop is still bad music, but there is such a native, real, sincere, blood type on the sleeve. It's like calling fashion something passing, and therefore illusory. It wouldn't bother me so much if people didn't attack those who are trying to change something, and didn't cover up with bright memories their unwillingness to admit that the new is frightening, the desire to hide the pain of changes (I don't know you and I'm only talking about such a frequent approach perhaps this is not applicable to you, I see a parallel only on a fragmentary review)
No less creative resource is invested in each monogram of the Coca-Cola font from the gazebo than in thousands of lines of the quest. These are tens of thousands of hours of research on retro-futurism in general and Art Deco aesthetics in particular, these are sleepless nights of coordination and alignment of different symbols into one stylistic canvas. It's harder than writing a good dialogue. I would even say that the design of the series (from the very first part, this green font, these wolf fights, everything in general) is 80% of why folych is in our hearts. And if Mark O Greene was inspired by science fiction, then the illustrator Boyarsky is Caravaggio, and there is no less there.
Textocentricity is a flat-bottomed thing, the straightforward meaning is generally overestimated, the concept in its bare form is often banal and does not work in isolation from other creative elements, just dialogues - like fast carbohydrates, penetrate the brain faster and evoke thoughts, emotions and experiences in us, and in order to bring everything else to a conscious level of perception, energy needs to be spent.
gt; in addition, they are essentially text quests
, I'm sorry, but this point does not stand up to any criticism at all. If you look at the core mechanics, then isometric fouls are primarily role-playing games, where character wagering is a really important part of the mechanics, dialogues are just one of the ways to implement this wagering. Moreover, it is far from ideal, especially in the first part, where Kane and Boyarsky admitted in an interview that due to the fact that all the non-inscriptions had already been voiced and there was no money for re-sounding, it was the character's answers that were adjusted in order to somehow lay it down and make sense. And it's noticeable! Have you been playing the game for a long time? I've been going through the original quite recently. Dialogues do not shine with direct talent, to be honest, stamps are cut in places, by modern standards, characters are functions, there are a lot of copied dummies.
This is not disco elysium and not Japanese visual novels, where the text is really the main mechanics. Judging by the amount of text, it is more likely that other Black Isle games are called textual, where the role is less important and replay value is less (the first baldur, plainscape, etc.) and more descriptive dialogues (which are almost absent in folych).
I'm not talking about the second one at all, I've established a tradition of releasing imperfections under the deadline. The main quest is terrible, the action is broken - worse than the first, the skill check does not work, the lines are redundant, strange kitsch and an inappropriate absurdity appeared, and so on. And it cannot be called text-centric, if the second one stands out, it is rather the diversity of the world and its content, again.
The chronological adaptation of the games, in my opinion, is a DISASTROUSLY failed idea. Conceptually, two approaches are possible - last of as (boring literal translation, you can't talk about creativity, it's content, a product, but it's not a movie or art) and warcraft (Bowie's son, relying on folklore books like the rise of the horde, enriches his ideas and builds his world in the style of a Blizzard" - Great! there is both novelty and fidelity to the original. But it is doomed to commercial failure. It's too subtle. There is also a lightweight version of D&D recent, but such an adaptation of the Foul would infuriate everyone, so it cannot even be considered.
To take a separate story, give it recognizable attributes, tell a new chapter, without pretensions to the narrative depth of any numbered part, is a much more ambitious task, I think the guys went the right way along this path
My point is that these games are not without sin, and they are undeservedly idealized. Yes, even this is not scary, but a condescending attitude to what the gazebo did, and an inadequate requirement that they continue according to the precepts of the founding fathers. So you remembered the fashion for isometry - and I'm afraid to imagine that the new follouts would be something essentially secondary (albeit good-quality places) like Shadowrun Returns, Wasteland 2, Pillars of Eternity, Torment: Tides of Numenera or other nostalgic content on Unity for the money of forty-year-old peasants from the kickstarter. A relatively good option would be the path of the Larians (their path from the mediocre diabloid Divine Divinity to Baldur 3 is worthy of respect), but only our heroes, who scattered along inXile and Obsidian, are not Larian, alas.
Remakes of nineties games rarely break records, take the last year (Black Mesa, System Shock, C&C, Diablo 2) - with the exception of the latter, these are niche products for the nostalgic, albeit excellent. By the numbers, they are still a long way from remakes of zero games (Dead Space / Resident Evil 4). There is a variant like Resident Evil 2 remake, but in my opinion, this is much more of a new game, much like the film adaptation of the first warcraft and the first warcraft itself.
What I agree about conceptualism is that it sometimes works well, for example, some Abrams "cloverfield" 2008 removes Emmerich's 1997 "Godzilla" (but classic Japanese kaiju or Del Toro's "frontier" they'll do both of them). It's like with women's underwear - fantasy works, what's underneath. So it was with "monster", so it was with "alien", the first fouls worked on this "thinking"
>>I'm not talking about chronology, but about the spirit of the narrative and its level. It would be more interesting to watch about political intrigues like in the Game of Thrones, about how strong communities like the City of Refuge or the NKR are crushing the weak, negotiating with raiders to achieve their political goals, fighting for resources, various social arrangements in different communities, and so on.
I think that if they had started ideologically with such a new approach right away (from the start, without onboarding the viewer into the world, with deep dialogues, etc.), it would have been very risky. Well, the same Expanse, a good-quality saifai, Amazon picked it up on the fourth sizo, as a result, a third of the saga did not reach due to low ratings (although the fan community is, of course, strong, but it is not enough). Although it was exactly what you're talking about. The example of Game of Thrones is an exception that rarely works even in such a massive product as fantasy.
This is how strong communities like the City of Refuge or the NKR are crushing weak ones, negotiating with raiders to achieve their political goals, fighting for resources, various social arrangements in different communities, and so on.
I think, even if not in such an explicit form, but all this will happen, but it was more important for them to capture the world, identify conflicts, and this is the right move
Um, is there any proof? I doubt it very much, to be honest. I watched a lot of interviews, Boyarsky suggested that Kane use retro-futurism as aesthetics in the context of robot design (based on kinch "Forbidden planet"), and then it came up about lamps and so on. Maybe one of the developers has already pulled up by the ears after the release, but I doubt it very much.
Well, I must say that the retrofuturism of the first fouls is a representation from 1997 about how people of the 1950s imagined the world of the 21st century, which stopped at the level of development of the 20th. The retrofuturism of the gazebo is a representation from the 2010s about the world of the 22xx in the style of the 1950s. Of course, this is a simplification, but it has the right to live, because it is somehow strange to continue the Black Isle approach in the 21st century
Well, yes, I think so. If you look at the original font in the first foul and the change in the design of the bottles and the logo at the gazebo - yes, I see a lot of work. It's enough to go to the fallout wiki and read about the 77th judicial wars over the shape of the bottle
>Tens of thousands of hours of research and designers from Bethesda give out a rifle with a bolt not connected to the barrel in any way.
I don't remember what you're talking about, it's possible. Everyone makes mistakes. Were there not enough mistakes in the first parts?
gt;Or fusion core, which powers the entire shelter and provides it with resources used in power armor. The Brotherhood has a whole bunch of this armor and, accordingly, these cores, while they did not even build themselves a toilet. Or a shelter in which people have been living for 200 years as before, while letting everyone in and no one has ruined it. Maybe it was worth spending those tens of thousands of hours on something else
This is " for 200 years " not that, not that - the most frequent claim. Well, it is just as easy to apply to the first parts. For me, this is a big convention. Well, the world would be cleared, toilets would be installed, and skyscrapers would be demolished and rebuilt, a new state would be established, and so on.
In reality, how many years did it take Germany after the bombing to rebuild? How much to transform into the dominant force in the European Union? How long will Hiroshima and Nagasaki be cleared of radioactive emissions? The retro apocalypse genre needs unrealistic conservation, this is an adequate convention. Otherwise, you can claim exactly the same for giant insects
But - I appreciate your self-irony, it is not the most frequent beast in these our internets.
I'm glad that New Vegas came to you, I have nothing against it, but f3 sold better by +-10%, and f4 - 2 times than NV; so maybe there is not only your opinion on the Internet, but the marketing department of the gazebo sees that releases not from Obsidian bring more money (what, I'll tell you in secret, is the main goal of any company, and game-building - including; "to make sure that the number of rivets on the power armor in the 3rd part coincides with the number in the 2nd, so that one and a half anonymous oldfags are happy " the company's goal is not)? The company has a choice - either to make a popular product (which is very likely to turn on the whining mode of old fans), make money from it, and continue to release games and TV series, or continue to do something niche and eventually die (who said Interplay?). I don't know about you, but I will choose the first of two options - because I will be glad to return to the wasteland more than once, in a new story and new locations
Regarding " it is incorrect to compare " - here I disagree with you; let's compare other series with releases +- in the same years:
NFS: Hot Pursuit (1998) - Most Wanted (2005) (We will not take Undercover 2008, because sales there are even more dull): 1.7 million copies - 16 million (growth +- 10 times);
GTA: I(1997) - IV (2008): 3 million - 25 million (growth +- the same 10 times);
TES (suddenly, from the same gazebo, and, starting with Morra, personally from Howard): Daggerfall (1996) - Oblivion (2006): 120k - 9.5 million (+-80 times growth). Tell me, are you sure you want to tell Uncle Todd how he should make games?)
If you make a new setting, only new players will buy the game from you; if you make a game in the old setting, new players + old players + friends of old players will buy it from you. Even if the old 120k players are still money, which is not superfluous, even for such corporate monsters like the gazebo.
In fallout 2, you can push NPCs out of the way, and not get stuck in the room - that's it, f2 nikanon!
In fallout 1, the entrance to shelter 15 is a shack in the middle of the desert, and in f2 is a concrete building next to a rock - well, that's it, 100% nikanon, Interplay on soap, ruined such a cool universe created... oh, wait
that you have already told everyone here what is canon for you, and what is Nikanon!!1!1", does not make your opinion more valuable in anyone's eyes - sad, I agree, but try to come to terms with this fact, life is a pain (for those who are not particularly prone to excessive reflection, I repeat: after the rights to the universe passed to the gazebo, everything that the gazebo does is canon No matter what you think about it, me and 30 million other players. Yes, yes, reread this thought and try to understand it before writing again what you personally consider to be the canon; and once again, please. Whoa, now you can start answering)
As soon as you get off the couch and do something more useful than telling everyone you meet about Nikanon!" - if you go to a game show, for example, be sure to let me know, I will be happy to get acquainted with what you will succeed. In the meantime, as a negative feedback, go cancel your subscription to Amazon TV - you're probably so loudly outraged by a low-quality series, because you paid money for a subscription, and did not download the series with pirated voiceover on the left site, right?)
I don't care about millions of players and who thinks what is canon. I do not write down parasitism on other people's universes in the canon on the basis of the fact that there is money.
It's funny to read about getting off the couch on the Internet from some kind of nouname, no one needs an opinion. What will you be useful for yourself?
I watched the series in the original voiceover on rutube. Amazon subscription does not work in Russia, go ask them why they refuse my money, I'm not going to run after them.
What else can you think of about me? Maybe there will be something interesting at least? And so far everything has been banal and dull.
Well, I'll have to repeat it for the fiftieth time: just as the word halva will not make your mouth sweeter, so your writing about which parts you consider canon will not affect anything in this world; I hope this time you will hear me, and you will not write your very important opinion for the hundredth time. The fact that you do not consider the releases from the gazebo to be canon in any way - I repeat, in no way - does not make them not canon, because, bpd, the series did not die in the second part, and everything that is done in it further, even, bpd, other people who - as it happens - are now copyright holders This universe is now the canon, regardless of whether you are ready to accept it, and no matter how many times you say that this is not the canon \_ (ツ) _/
Mon cher ami, please note that you initiated our dialogue, and you are also dissatisfied with Howard's work; what does my humble personality have to do with it? If you criticize, offer, as they say; the key to success in any field)
"I'm not going to run after them, so I'll just spin their product, and then I'll tell everyone what guano they released" we'll approve-with you here)
"Well, then we are waiting for a ghost in a Hole, a drug trip with the creation of Myron jet (screw) at 0 years old (Avellon did not master dates and school mathematics), intelligent claws of death, STRANGERS (just strangers from popular horror films at that time), and The main thing is super soldiers from claws, super soldiers from aliens, super soldiers from super mutants (more super soldiers to God super soldiers!), as well as the authorities hide. In Fallout 1, there was no enclave, no shelter experiments, and the satire of the failure of shelters was precisely due to the fact that they were built by incompetent builders under incompetent leadership, but marketers successfully sold this stuff to American citizens. As a result, it was Fallout 2 that made a serious +/-post. Apoca clowning with Leslie Nielson."
But, of course, we will pour shit on Howard for ruining such a gorgeous, serious post-apocalypse
And the armor, it was enough just to finish painting it normally. Darken it somewhere, add something else somewhere, and now it will weigh a little more. But this is purely a minor quibble. It was possible to make it so that the pancake knight did not fly away from yaogai, leaving his "slave" there without armor to cope himself
omg wtf =)))
And what kind of stuff are ghouls talking about?
The robot delivered, though maniacello x)
And because of the series, I just want to give up everything and go through the fouls (although this desire is more related to 3d from the series)
I can 't scream ... The series is above all praise, in the spirit of folych definitely.
I've estimated the exchange well)
I definitely like this series.
P. S. The supermarket could have been wrapped up
She got wrapped up.
I went in barefoot, in one boot. She came out in berets. Laced up with different laces.
Knee pads, elbow pads, this "gaming" shoulder strap. A pistol with bullets for adults. I treated the Ghoul with potions. ;-)
P.S. Супер-дупер маркет совсем не такой как в третьем фолыче.
I really like the way the relationship between Lucy and Ghoul was prescribed, the actors play great.
But Maximus does not come in at all as a character yet, maybe he will be better revealed further and it will be more interesting to watch him.
Hello, Cosworth. Bad Cosworth, evil Cosworth (got a discharge)
What kind of liquid do Ghouls take?
Knowing that Volt Tech was experimenting in shelters, they could have released some psychotropic gas on the 31st.
and it just hurt me to watch Lucy calmly leave the supermarket light where you could get so many useful things...
Bert's wife is a walt girl. The caretaker's office is one-to-one. Etc.
– Oh, no. I'm just going to extract your organs.
She screamed like a seagull. How I love the humor in this series! Black, like my morning coffee.
It gets cooler and cooler with each episode. I wonder what's going on with the conspiracy in the shelter. And what does Mom have to do with it? Intrigues, passions, wow.
Goggins in the role of a ghoul is a God. I've only seen this actor before in Tarantino's The Abominable Eight, the best character there, by the way. Now here it is, also the best. I even watched his filmography on kinopoisk. Mostly small roles in little-known films and serial episodes, but I added something, I'll try to take a look.