It's harder to swim in clothes, but you can take off your T-shirt on the go, and you need to stop to take off your pants. It's a matter of seconds, but they can cost a person's life.
@deex_iv: I thought for a second that I was the only one with such thoughts about Charlie, everyone feels sorry for him, you see. And it also seems to me that Charlie and Claire are very similar, like brother and sister...
Claire is wildly infuriating in this series.Locke is behaving like scum. I got the impression that no one even tried to understand Charlie ,people who did not contact him face-to-face in this series behaved like a stupid herd
I love the series about Charlie, a very multifaceted and colorful character. Claire treated him unfairly, it is clear that he loves her and the baby as relatives and wants only good, and she treated him like that and at once forgot everything that he did for her.
I don't understand Locke, why was Charlie beaten? Poor Charlie, he had a hard time in this series at all (
He's acting like a fanatic. No, to try to regain Claire's trust, using Locke's advice, but no, you have to come and yell, twitch like a psycho and then kidnap a child, setting fire to the grass next to the camp! Charlie is stupid enough to compete only with Kate, and then he will probably beat her too
Why are these newcomers needed? Completely stupid and uninteresting characters, except Eco (the only worthy Persian) well, maybe Anna-Lucia in the future. The blonde's phrase about an old washing machine generally pissed me off. Woman, you're on a desert island! Without Ivf and A-L, everyone would have died already.
@Nestin: such a number of characters is also needed to show how different people with different histories and different experiences in life face the same situation. It's perfectly normal that some characters shake someone up, but someone understands them well, because he would have done it that way. Plus, "from the outside, it's better to see how it's right"?(:
@Nestin: It's okay that there are only four of them left. Of these, one is Rose's husband, who was needed to affirm the idea of faith and hope, the other seems to be Hugo's mate, well, you like the rest as characters.
@Nestin: it seemed to me, on the contrary, she was asking if the cars were newer than everything else, as if they were brought later, but maybe I didn't hear well, I need to reconsider
Claire seems more and more like some kind of narrow-minded, limited person. As if there were no others besides her opinion and point of view, and there could not be.
Charlie is starting to get annoying. Yes, he has a difficult fate, and he still did not use this heroin. But this lie at every turn, irritability, the fact that he still pocketed heroin, despite his "liberation" from it, Locke's censure, Claire and the child who need to be taken care of, his perseverance and stubbornness... In general, I think he deserves what he got.
Why couldn't Claire have been given time to think? He lied to her, he did it deliberately. He did something wrong, and Claire is mad at him - and this is absolutely logical. But no, he climbs up to her, who has not yet cooled down, has not forgiven, has not accepted, and thereby ruins everything and everything, only irritates her more. Why steal a child, Claire's most precious possession? Quietly, hiding behind the fire... Did you think he would be patted on the head for this, for saving the child from danger that exists only in his head? In my opinion, in the eyes of everyone around him, he was the greatest danger to the child. He attacked Claire, he dragged the child away in the middle of the night, he dragged the child away during the fire. And what about Claire, who thinks Charlie is a drug addict? Yes, that's not true, but he didn't explain it to her, he just lied, lied, lied. Logically, even in her eyes, Charlie would not be the most welcome guest.
In general, I think it was my own fault, and I deserved it. There was no need to lie and do selfish shit behind the backs of others.
Especially in this episode, I don't understand why everyone is annoyed by Claire. I don't think anyone in their right mind would entrust their newborn child to a drug addict who stole a baby in the middle of the night and took it to the ocean, and generally does inappropriate things, and even lies about drugs.
Ok, condemning Claire, let's give birth to a child, an alleged former drug addict with a bag of heroin in his pocket will approach you, take your child and try to run away with him, hiding behind the fact that he wishes him well. Did you like this arrangement? Most likely not
Under normal circumstances, Charlie wouldn't have gotten away with it so easily. Yes, I feel sorry for him, it wasn't easy for him, but that doesn't give him the right to kidnap someone else's child.
Claire is annoying, but not very annoying, because how can you understand her as a mother (although I don't perceive her as such, for me she is like a child herself), but is it so difficult to forgive Charlie? You're fucking friends. Having kidnapped a child, he wasn't going to ask for a ransom or kill him, omg, he coddled him so much, not a psychopath. I hoped that at least in the end Claire would offer him to become Aaron's godfather, take a step towards reconciliation, but no. Drug addicts do not need to be scared away, they are not contagious, but on the contrary, show their love and care so that they do not see self-loathing and do not go to heroin for solace. Leaving Charlie alone, they strengthen his desire to return to the old, "I'm bad, I have nothing to lose, I'm going to kill myself with this stuff." I really liked the way Locke taught him control in the first season, gave him a chance, talked to him, guided him on the right path, and after all, he understood everything. He stopped. Charlie is one of my favorite characters, don't do that to him.
Claire already has a child to take care of. Charlie had already been given a chance, Claire accepted his drug past and trusted the child! She even listened to his parenting advice. What did Charlie do? He was carrying heroin with him! In secret, and then starting to lie, trying to make Claire look like a fool. You talk about the position of patience and the eternal shoulder for tears, but Claire is a mother, even if she is not the most experienced, she has someone to take care of. Maybe it was Charlie's behavior, since even Locke, who believed in Charlie, behaved like that?
Locke's gone somewhere. How can a child not be in any danger when he himself saw a lot of left-wing people on the island a series ago who can track their every move? senility
Something about Locke in this series is too angry, when he is always quite restrained, and not entirely justified, from my point of view. Charlie helped many people many times, and then he began to behave inappropriately (although many behaved in a similar way and nothing) and then became an enemy of the people. That's what it means, you stumble once and you're branded for life. I can't help but mention Jack, just a sweetheart. I helped a person without any bumps. I listened.
1. Locke punches Charlie in the face and everyone agrees with that. Even Jack. 2. Jack: You need stitches. For this scratch? I found something to spend my threads on! 3. Jack: Anna-Lucia pull the tarp tighter. At the end of the dialogue, the tarp hangs almost to the floor. What's wrong with you, huh, Annushka? 4. For the second series in a row, Said has been used simply as furniture. In the last episode it was: "oh, this music is sad," in this one - "Charlie, come on, hold the piece of iron." Don't do that, I love Said. 5. Locke: well, heroin is a useful thing, it will come in handy on the farm, I'll put it in my favorite pantry with weapons. ???
I don't understand what can infuriate Claire in this episode. Charlie pushed her like they were married. It is still difficult for a woman with such a small child to assess his impulses. Anyway, she was not the initiator of their relationship at any point. For her now, for the most part, there is only a child. Thinking that Charlie was a drug addict, she was naturally scared. No sane person would risk a child for someone else's sake. Charlie may have a difficult past, but all the characters didn't have it like a fountain. To do something like this, hoping that everyone will understand, is quite strange
Oh, and Charlie's brother, there are just no words, you can't wish that on an enemy, that's who pissed me off the whole series! I, I, I, I, I, a million times I, I have to do this, my life, my family, and whose piano is it?! Charlie's piano!!! I left my brother with nothing, that's probably why he finally slipped into drugs, it's necessary to be so selfish! No, it's fucking SELFISH! Ugh, such people are infuriating both in life and in the series...
I don't like Charlie at all, some kind of boring character, Michael and Claire can also be included here. They don't cling to a damn thing, and I watch all the episodes about them almost on rewind...
Charlie's story causes pity for him, even despite all the actions of the musician. In fact, he lived the life of a brother, forgave him everything, even chose the path of a drug addict not fully on his own. And then he decided to quit abruptly and started thinking about himself, and Charlie was left on the sidelines alone, devoted and not knowing what to do next. The island has awakened old fears, exposed mental injuries. They resulted in this frightening obsession with the child and sleepwalking. It's a pity no one can help him.😇
Locke himself said something from the category of "what right do we have to decide for a person what to do", and he took the figurines from Charlie) And about the blonde and Hurley. When he said that he had seen her somewhere, I thought that she knew him in real life and knew about his millions, and therefore flirted with him. Just a guess)
It was episode 37, and I still couldn't stop laughing in Claire's Australian accent. Every time she loses her temper, it's both hilarious and touching at the same time.
For the first season and a half, the most lame episode. Charlie was a good character trying to improve, but in this series the writers just godlessly leaked him ... Well, really, even if you don't take into account his drug-addicted past, in this series he behaves like a completely stoned drug addict.. I have strange dreams, everyone looks at me askance, the girl I like directly told me to fuck off for a while. What should I do? I'll probably start a fire, and while everyone is putting it out, I'll steal the child from the mother, so that what? Yes, hz, to baptize him personally at night in the ocean, probably...What an incredible game 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
Here's Sawyer, a schoolboy, a schoolboy, screamed at Hurley at all. Kate's smile is very playful when she realizes that a friend has a crush on a girl, it warmed my heart. What I like about Skate is their friendly banter and how she helps him, kneads his hand, cuts it, it's cute. But all the flirting is on the edge of the fire... It's boring, we've seen it a hundred times.
Libby and Hugo are so cute in the laundry room.
In the flushes, once again, it became very sad for our rocker. I saw that his brother was a bitch, but that much? I sold his instrument to save my marriage, and my brother went overboard, although I ruined their entire career with my drug addiction, and I dragged him in.
Like many people, I'm perplexed that anyone is even chasing Claire. The man she trusted with herself and her child turned out to be a liar and is generally going crazy, at least you could be wary and stay away from him for a while, no? And it's okay to yell when your son is stolen and carried to the ocean, you know.
However, I still have a heartache for the guy, too. I know that Charlie has been acting inappropriately for most of this season, aggressively taking care of Claire and the baby, rushing ahead, but damn! Yes, I went like a cuckoo, but they all did worse things here. And in the end, they turned around and contemptuously left. Locke's punches blew me away altogether. On the other hand, there is a reckoning coming for all his actions, so maybe now he will understand where he was wrong.
Is this a dream inside a dream or what was it?) Some kind of psychedelic.. And did Charlie say in season 1 that he couldn't swim when Jack was saving Boone and a drowning girl?
Орал с этого: как Кейт увидела лошадь так норм, а как меня не глюконуло так значит обдолбался. Локк выставил на оружейке новый код, которого и сам не знает?
Чарли, милый мой Чарли. А вот и встряска подъехала. Я надеюсь это закалит его и укрепит моральный дух. Потому что в целом это и правда несправедливо, то, как к нему так отнеслись, когда вокруг них постоянно наркомания происходит. Но я понимаю отчего это всё и понимаю предвзятость. Всем нужно время. Не только Клэр.
И к слову Клэр не смотря на то, что творил Чарли, всё равно к нему прислушивается, для неё важен этот человек. Она крестила и себя и малыша. По-моему всё это весьма мило.
Не понимаю. То есть когда Клер говорить, что ей святая фигня сниться, орет ночью, паникует…То она просто беременная и это стресс. А как Чарли говорит что-то про свои сны, что ему что-то видится во сне, так сразу наркоман! Почему так не честно. Ну был наркоман и что. Может реально завязал. Короче, несправедливо.
@deex_iv: так он и не принимал: на острове наркота только в статуэтках, а они были невредимы. Локк остановил Чарли до того, как тот сделал бы выбор. Но глюки точно не от наркоты были. Джон тоже видел сны, хотя не принимал.
@kltknk: он же только бросил, слабость такая наверное. Типа держит поблизости, но ещё не полностью перешёл на тёмную сторону и ещё не попробовал. ИМХО Локк должен был подождать и посмотреть, что он собирался делать
Т.е то что Чарли бывший наркоман и его нельзя подпускать к ребенку - все понимают Клэр, ОНАЖЕМАТЬ, а то что ребенка крестил наркобарон это нормально?) Ахахаха. Ничего плохого к Эко не имею, но он явно не святой, его брат же сказал, подписи будет мало, чтобы стать священником, Эко сам себя им назвал, и не будем забывать, что он не просто был в обороте с наркотиками, а также пробовал их - значит тоже по сути наркоман, но Вы не понимаете, это другое, надо ж в этой серии всем на Чарли накинуться
well, the survivors do not know about the past of Ivf, they do not think that they can be deceived, because according to the actions of Ivf in nature, it's like a priest with; the main thing for them is that they calmed themselves down))
Резко поняла, что так много персонажей, которых жалко из-за их прошлого. Локк и его отец, Джек и его жена, Чарли и его брат... Получается, что мразь-то с самого начала был Лиам, он первый употреблял, из-за него начал употреблять Чарли и группа развалилась. И то, как он говорит, что делает всё для своей семьи и при этом бросает Чарли, предварительно продав пианино (вещь, которая символизировала связь с прошлым, с их матерью), очень грустно. Помним же как потом Чарли приходит к Лиаму, уже трезвому и счастливому, наладившему свою жизнь и забыв про родного брата. Мразь да и только. А Чарли хочет свою семью, да, может ведёт себя ненормально, но видно же, что ему нужна помощь, а не пощёчина и публичное изгнание.
Чарли, в целом, приятный персонаж и понятно, что намерения у него положительные, но в данном случае я на стороне Клэр. Героинового наркомана (до недавнего времени) держать с ребёнком попросту опасно. Что уж говорить, когда он во сне стащил ребенка, мало ли, приснится, что он его в колыбель укладывает, а по факту в соре положит и все. Позабавила фраза Чарли Локку: «Кейт белую лошадь в джунглях видела, половине народа мерещился Волт, а как мне что-то привидится, так сразу принимал ли наркотики» :D ну да, они как будто там все порошок из статуэтки на зубок попробовали
*море. Досмотрела серию (предыдущий коммент писала в середине просмотра). Не ожидала, что Чарли осознанно(!) подвергнет опасности людей с поджогом, ради мнимой опасности ребенка. Ну это треш, ребят. Чарли-Чарли, что же ты творишь :(
The series is great, but I'm sure this episode is the worst rated. Even then, the screenwriters had to understand that the audience did not like hallucinations. I am writing this rather to calm down by throwing out the negative and to support people who are also indignant at this terrible series. The authors literally set the viewer up for facepalms from the characters) (previously, Shannon was the queen of this, now apparently Charlie) And again, there is a trick: show that the character is a scoundrel and a doer of nonsense, and then just justify it by demonstrating a difficult moment from the past. Offtop for gamers: I don't even want to fraternize for passing the headlights of the edges, too, because of the constant gags there((
Discussion of the 12 episode of the 2 season Discuss this episode
100I got the impression that no one even tried to understand Charlie
,people who did not contact him face-to-face in this series behaved like a stupid herd
Claire treated him unfairly, it is clear that he loves her and the baby as relatives and wants only good, and she treated him like that and at once forgot everything that he did for her.
I don't understand Locke, why was Charlie beaten? Poor Charlie, he had a hard time in this series at all (
The blonde's phrase about an old washing machine generally pissed me off. Woman, you're on a desert island! Without Ivf and A-L, everyone would have died already.
Plus, "from the outside, it's better to see how it's right"?(:
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Why couldn't Claire have been given time to think? He lied to her, he did it deliberately. He did something wrong, and Claire is mad at him - and this is absolutely logical. But no, he climbs up to her, who has not yet cooled down, has not forgiven, has not accepted, and thereby ruins everything and everything, only irritates her more.
Why steal a child, Claire's most precious possession? Quietly, hiding behind the fire... Did you think he would be patted on the head for this, for saving the child from danger that exists only in his head? In my opinion, in the eyes of everyone around him, he was the greatest danger to the child. He attacked Claire, he dragged the child away in the middle of the night, he dragged the child away during the fire. And what about Claire, who thinks Charlie is a drug addict? Yes, that's not true, but he didn't explain it to her, he just lied, lied, lied. Logically, even in her eyes, Charlie would not be the most welcome guest.
In general, I think it was my own fault, and I deserved it. There was no need to lie and do selfish shit behind the backs of others.
I don't think anyone in their right mind would entrust their newborn child to a drug addict who stole a baby in the middle of the night and took it to the ocean, and generally does inappropriate things, and even lies about drugs.
?????
I don't understand something...
Charlie is one of my favorite characters, don't do that to him.
Claire, on the one hand, can be understood
I can't help but mention Jack, just a sweetheart. I helped a person without any bumps. I listened.
2. Jack: You need stitches. For this scratch? I found something to spend my threads on!
3. Jack: Anna-Lucia pull the tarp tighter. At the end of the dialogue, the tarp hangs almost to the floor. What's wrong with you, huh, Annushka?
4. For the second series in a row, Said has been used simply as furniture. In the last episode it was: "oh, this music is sad," in this one - "Charlie, come on, hold the piece of iron." Don't do that, I love Said.
5. Locke: well, heroin is a useful thing, it will come in handy on the farm, I'll put it in my favorite pantry with weapons. ???
Maybe then they will go to auction with these "jungle kids"? :D
Charlie may have a difficult past, but all the characters didn't have it like a fountain. To do something like this, hoping that everyone will understand, is quite strange
Before that, he called Jin Chewie.
adds to the collection of heroes of the zv)
And about the blonde and Hurley. When he said that he had seen her somewhere, I thought that she knew him in real life and knew about his millions, and therefore flirted with him. Just a guess)
Well, really, even if you don't take into account his drug-addicted past, in this series he behaves like a completely stoned drug addict.. I have strange dreams, everyone looks at me askance, the girl I like directly told me to fuck off for a while. What should I do? I'll probably start a fire, and while everyone is putting it out, I'll steal the child from the mother, so that what? Yes, hz, to baptize him personally at night in the ocean, probably...What an incredible game 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
What I like about Skate is their friendly banter and how she helps him, kneads his hand, cuts it, it's cute. But all the flirting is on the edge of the fire... It's boring, we've seen it a hundred times.
Libby and Hugo are so cute in the laundry room.
In the flushes, once again, it became very sad for our rocker. I saw that his brother was a bitch, but that much? I sold his instrument to save my marriage, and my brother went overboard, although I ruined their entire career with my drug addiction, and I dragged him in.
Like many people, I'm perplexed that anyone is even chasing Claire. The man she trusted with herself and her child turned out to be a liar and is generally going crazy, at least you could be wary and stay away from him for a while, no? And it's okay to yell when your son is stolen and carried to the ocean, you know.
However, I still have a heartache for the guy, too. I know that Charlie has been acting inappropriately for most of this season, aggressively taking care of Claire and the baby, rushing ahead, but damn! Yes, I went like a cuckoo, but they all did worse things here. And in the end, they turned around and contemptuously left. Locke's punches blew me away altogether.
On the other hand, there is a reckoning coming for all his actions, so maybe now he will understand where he was wrong.
And did Charlie say in season 1 that he couldn't swim when Jack was saving Boone and a drowning girl?
Локк выставил на оружейке новый код, которого и сам не знает?
И к слову Клэр не смотря на то, что творил Чарли, всё равно к нему прислушивается, для неё важен этот человек. Она крестила и себя и малыша. По-моему всё это весьма мило.
the main thing for them is that they calmed themselves down))
Even then, the screenwriters had to understand that the audience did not like hallucinations. I am writing this rather to calm down by throwing out the negative and to support people who are also indignant at this terrible series. The authors literally set the viewer up for facepalms from the characters) (previously, Shannon was the queen of this, now apparently Charlie)
And again, there is a trick: show that the character is a scoundrel and a doer of nonsense, and then just justify it by demonstrating a difficult moment from the past.
Offtop for gamers: I don't even want to fraternize for passing the headlights of the edges, too, because of the constant gags there((