Really not a very interesting series. If it were flashbacks, it would be better. And not to show the whole series about it. Plus, some more parts could be reduced by two or even three times, and still show how what happened. Now it becomes a little clear that you can shoot in the second, and maybe subsequent seasons = ((Of course, if you "kill" for a solid flashback for an hour, and even about Luke almost everything = ((
I don't really understand complaints about boredom, for me it's a good series! after so many difficult episodes, where you always suspect everyone around you of being faithful to Gilead's ideas, and it's hard to breathe from the atmosphere of fear and control yourself, look at how people trust each other, escape and escape to Canada, where things are really not as bad as in Mexico ready to buy maids, and people go to normal clothes, they drink coffee and women are in power — it's just a breath of hope! (unless it turns out later that Canada is cooperating with Gilead, Luke is not going to look for June, because he found someone new for himself, Hannah was killed a long time ago, and June will be sent to the colonies, then yes, then such series are still meanness)
An interesting coincidence, both in American Gods and in the Handmaid's Tale this week, the whole series is a flashback on behalf of the spouse/ and the main character, which does not move the timeline and plot forward, but fills in large gaps and explains how everything happened in general. It is unclear only why he was taken to be treated, only to be hanged later. So that there is, as it should be, a religious "court"?
@Noordzee: They weren't going to treat him. The guard in the ambulance told the doctor: "don't let him die, the captain has questions for him." Apparently, they were going to interrogate and hang.
Not the most exciting and intense series, but very important for the narrative as a whole. The series goes beyond the book, apparently, plot branches will gradually be added beyond the boundaries of June's life in Gilead. And this can not be done from the bay of junk. In my opinion, this series set the stage for the development of the plot. Important details have emerged.
1. There is some kind of resistance, a network for finding people 2. The semblance of the American government has been preserved (remember the flags everywhere and the portraits of presidents in the office where Luke received the note) 3. The life of the runaways in Canada is not so rosy. Luke has been there for 3 years, but he has old broken glasses. There is a norm for coffee. Interruptions with heating in the apartment 4. Some still have humanity - during the search of the car, the soldier lied to his
In general, it was interesting to see people's attempts to escape, to actively fight. Watching dystopias through the eyes of one character is boring. Through the eyes of different heroes, the whole picture can be shown
@alvicx: The life of the runaways in Canada is not so rosy. Luke has been there for 3 years, but he has old broken glasses. There is a norm for coffee. Interruptions with heating in the apartment
It seems to me that this is nothing compared to Gilead. In Canada, it's like heaven and ponies.
@Reue: June seemed to say that she has a second family. And in the book she only talked about her daughter from Luke, she had no children from the commanders.
The worst drivers in America gathered on ten square meters. At first, Luke just fell off the road, although no one shot at them, no one drove at them on the oncoming lane head-on, no one knocked them off the road in any way. And then the same fate befell the ambulance in which he was taken. She just fell off the bridge. I thought maybe it was someone from the resistance who pushed them, BUT NO, THEY JUST FELL OFF THE BRIDGE.
Honestly, this series is very poorly written. Logical errors and contradictions are everywhere. Why did the commandors arrange such a regime, if they themselves like to read and sleep with their wife (and not only)? Why is this method of sex slavery preferable to much more humane and effective methods of artificial insemination, which are becoming more and more common nowadays? If there is such a crisis with the population in the world, as shown in the series, everyone should not care about any dubious religious beliefs of any one sect. And in general, I will never believe that such horrors occur in freedom-loving America so close to our time.
And why have we already received a whole useless series about Luke, from which we did not learn anything new, but we never saw a single episode about the character of Alexis Bledel — the only interesting character, except for June herself and maybe Moira? And they declared her almost as the second main character. And if it were, the series would be ten times cooler than it is now, but so far only Elisabeth Moss is alone and pulls out this despondency.
@uil: but forgot to show it. The road was visible several times, and there were no spikes there. And there wasn't even any ice. And if a deer ran out on the road, it is usually shown.
maybe they didn't make visible ice on the road, but when the car shakes before the accident, the character says "Watch it, it's icy". So there is some explanation for this moment. Luke was in a panic and in shock, his hands were shaking, complete chaos. Well, the road is slippery again. No wonder he flew out.
The harsh regime, strict restrictions, no artificial insemination, etc. - it's all because of religious turn. They also have a whole system of justifying the new order with prayers and expressive reading of pages from the Bible. Even the name "maid" is because of the parable about the biblical wife. Artificial insemination does not fit in here, of course, no matter how logical it may be. And any indulgences, especially those that can contribute to freethinking (such as reading) is a direct path to the fall of the regime. A system of this type can hold out for at least some time only when there is everything together - both sincere fanaticism from some, and the toughest hand with a machine gun that restrains others.
The more interesting question is, really, how did this sect get the upper hand. Where did they get so many followers from? Where did so many strong guys with weapons come from, a whole army of their own? Or did they somehow recruit the active American army? Well, the only thing that can be assumed here is that this is how human consciousness works - at the moment of a terrible crisis, it is urgent to find a support that will offer an explanation of what is happening (it is also desirable that the blame falls on someone who is not you, such as gays, women who have had an abortion, etc.) and a clear program actions on how to get out of the crisis. Criticality decreases, you are ready to believe anyone who speaks confidently and seems to know what he is doing. Many Americans were probably quite ready for such a turn. Love of freedom - yes, but many people get along well with inertia, traditionalism, racism, intolerance in general and a very peculiar religiosity.
@mean_reality: here's the first thought - what did they crash into? these guards followed them only much later.
But I will answer your second why, as I think - apparently there was some kind of radical Christian sect. They did everything to seize power. So they began to arrange their lives according to their radical Old Testament traditions. Great perverting them at the same time. There is no such thing in the series - but according to the book, all these commanders are very elderly men. Apparently their faith does not deny slavery, but completely denies artificial insemination. After all, our time is full of ardent detractors of all scientific achievements. From blood transfusion to IVF,
@mean_reality: About the latter - it goes like an alternative reality. There, most likely, problems with fertility began earlier (roughly speaking in 2010), and in 4-5 people can easily unite into a sect and rebel, etc. Over time, when hope is lost, people begin to believe in anything if it will save their lives/humanity. And about IVF - now there are the same "adequate" people who believe that it is unnatural, and therefore should not exist.
@mean_reality: I liked this series because I have long wanted to look at the world outside of Boston. Otherwise, I agree with you. And today I was also thinking that America has a very good history of resistance. And they have weapons allowed. I don't really understand how something like this could happen at all, and not run into a giant resistance in the bud.
@Stekliashkina_ua: guns are mostly owned by white men, and the richer a man is, the more he can buy them, the easier it is for him to devote time to shooting practice, and not earning bread. lure this layer to your side and the case is ready
@mean_reality: I think that in Mexico and other countries, the kulas will sell maids, they will already use IVF, and these galiads like "vera" forbids.
I don't understand the general discontent... A wonderful series. The screenwriters are gradually moving away from the main narrative line that we know from the book, and show us a small part of the new world. In the book, as far as I remember, little was said, not only about neighboring countries, but also about the world in general. In the series, we already know about the situation in Mexico, thanks to this series we have an idea of what is happening in Canada. Instead of one handmaid's tale, we gradually see a new world, which cannot but please)
good job. the series will not slide, they have where to develop and what to show. 5 points per episode, thank you.
I also don't understand complaints about boredom and lack of development. Indeed, they pushed the boundaries of Gilead's world, showed another piece of resistance, developed the character of Luke - the plot went deep and wide, as they say. I have already written that he seems to me to be unsympathetic. So after this series, sympathy has increased, I want to see how he will look for Hannah and how it will all end.
Boring series. Why is this a flashback inside a flashback? Especially about Luke. Who's Marty Sue? He was mortally wounded, the doctor tried not to let him die before talking to the commander. The car turns over, and of course, only the Hatch was fastened in it, so only he survived. And not only did he survive, he also walked a lot of kilometers after that. Why such a quick cure? Luke is a simple citizen in Canada, but at the same time the assistant to the ambassador of Mexico knows all the details about him by memory. Does the assistant have a computer in his head? Or is Luke so special that he and June are the ones who remember him? And if Fredova was another girl, would they know all the information about her too? For me, it's too far-fetched. As I understand it, the creators are moving away from the book, but somehow they do it thoughtlessly.
Actually, the creators had two ways: to make a direct adaptation of the novel or to make a film adaptation based on how The man in the high castle did very successfully. They decided to do one first, then the other. I don't really approve of this decision, but I won't find fault. Thus, this series is not a flashback in itself (although for some reason a flashback was made in the flashback), but this is the beginning of the second series in the series. And I generally liked it. But let's see how the screenwriters will cope further (I have no doubt about the directors, cameramen and actors, they are clever in all series).
Oh, I feel sorry for those people who saved Luke ( And as for the boring/not boring series - as already noted above, it is actually important, and it's even good that they put everything in one complete series, and not stretched out into many flashbacks
An absolutely uninteresting character is Luke, to whom an entire series was dedicated. All this could be shown in a flashback in 5 minutes. An unnecessary and infernally stretched part with an exit from the city, with a house by the lake - remove it all and nothing would have changed. The weakest episode of the season. I hope.
@Jasmine7500: I don't dislike Luke, for example, and I can't understand why many people in the comments don't speak flatteringly about him, really that the most ordinary person, not the first courage, but at the same time he tried to escape and save his family. So far, of all the male characters, he is the most sympathetic to me, it's not clear with the Nickname, because he's kind of slippery. I would like to see his backstory too.
@Demogorgon: I don't have a single character I like in this series at all. when I read the book, I felt the same way - what a passion, what a horror, but I need to finish reading because it's interesting. The book ends rather strangely. It's a very blurry ending - I'm waiting for the filmmakers to offer us.
I had similar feelings when I read the Perfumer, but there the ending was clear and clear. So I just didn't watch the movie. I didn't want to dive into this story anymore.
@Jasmine7500: Judging by your comments, you have a dislike for everyone who has a dick. I like Luke, an absolutely normal man, tried to protect the family as best he could. And he will try. And as for the fact that he had an affair, it's generally a common story. That doesn't make it bad. That makes him human.
@Stekliashkina_ua: you, dear, need to learn to distinguish between real life and cinema. And learn to discuss the series, and not the people who comment on it.
But I liked the series. It is at least a little clear what is happening outside the town with Fredova.
But it's not clear - how exactly did the Mexican get a bunch of information about Luke, who was in American Canada at that moment? Moreover, judging by the aunt's phrase "our friend from Mesquica helped", Luke apparently does not know him in any way (otherwise it would be easier to say - this is the one)
@Sergey01r: That's it. And everyone in other countries knows that Fredova (who, by the way, changed her name twice) and Luke are husband and wife, and all the news is passed back and forth to them. Yes, and this is "you are from Boston - they were broadcasting about you on the radio", as if society in a state of civil war, terror and population outflow has no problems at all besides the heroes of our film. But otherwise the series is not bad.
@Sergey01r: Luke had photos of his family (the same album that he took out of his bag.. this is if you ignore the accounts in social networks, which probably have all the necessary photos too). These photos could have been uploaded to the missing persons database. Luke told me about the names, dates of birth, addresses.
The Mexican is an agent of the resistance network, which helps to find people. This Mexican was on his way to Boston with the ambassador. He could quite get acquainted with the database of missing people in the area of this city. He could have looked at the photo after the meeting in the commander's office and found out information about June later. Phones, the Internet, computers exist.
On the scenes in the church, the bus and the pier, my favorite movie "The Human Child" was blown right away. Similar settings, color scheme, atmosphere, even a little camerawork. Perhaps the weakest episode of the season, but the point is rather not that it is bad (a solid four for me personally), but how powerful the previous ones were.
The series is more informative than interesting; but I absolutely do not like this format - when the story is reduced exclusively to one character, ignoring the fate of the others. The same shit in the Walking Dead was wildly infuriating
I don't understand how logic works in this series, they discuss at the beginning of the series that Moira crossed the border a long time ago, then we see her among the maids, then she ran away again, then... dead? How does it even work? And why can't her story be told properly? And where are all the teenagers? Children over the age of 10? In special settlements?
@Esfin: In reality, you may not know what happened to the person. Yes, Moira ran away first—June knows that. But already during the training, she hears from Moira herself that her wife and child had Canadian passports, but she did not have, and they were not allowed to cross the border, but sent to the "maids". That is, Moira TRIED to escape, but it didn't work out. Then Moira tries to escape again, along with June. She leaves by train, and it is quite logical that from the "other end of the train", so to speak, she is caught on the run and killed. Again, we are not always given to know for sure where our loved ones are. We can be mistaken, judge by false facts received from other people, believe rumors. June doesn't have to know where Moira is, just because we, the audience, have seen the previous six episodes and know where she is.
And I was impressed by the series no less than the others. It was like a breath of fresh air after the endless violence against a person's personality. And, I didn't expect it from myself, - I screamed and covered my mouth with my hands when a female soldier was shot on the pier, for some reason it really shocked me. (And I watched all the previous series in the afiga from what is happening, but without emotions.) It is this series that is closest to reality, that's why it hurts. For some reason, it reminded me very much of the documentary chronicles about the Berlin Wall, when at first the Germans crossed to the west in droves, then through the forests in groups and at night, then when the Wall grew in a couple of days - through the windows of neighboring houses, and then they were shot...
I haven't written any comments on this series yet, although I really like it from the very first episode. I will not repeat for the thousandth time what a "creepy" series it is, if I may say so, but on the other hand, in flashbacks we are shown rays of the sun, June's life before all this nightmare, people's lives in general. I can't say anything bad about Luke, it's not known who of us would have acted in such a situation, but the moment when he gave the ring away without hesitation was still a little confused. But most of all I wanted to mention the wonderful musical accompaniment of the series. For example, in this one - Cigarettes After Sex — Nothing's gonna hurt you baby, which was incredibly pleased at the end of the series.
I had a question, why did he send them alone to the forest to run. 1. It would obviously be easier for him to carry his daughter. June complained in the first episode that she was too heavy for her. 2. If he was going to use a revolver, not knowing how to shoot properly, to stop the men with machine guns, or to detain them for a while... it would be better if he was going to. Imho in an escape through the woods with his ladies, he would be more useful.
@akrel: In my opinion, he acted quite bravely, deciding to stay and detain the men with machine guns..yes, his nerves couldn't stand it, and he couldn't shoot normally, but in such a stressful situation, you can't predict in advance how everything will turn out. He took a risk and lost((
I was already all set up that Luke would turn out to be an asshole who June made a baby for the sake of his 1st wife (thanks to the theories of commentators in previous series), but he turned out to be an ordinary guy...Yes, he is not one of those who would arm himself to the teeth and go alone to save his wife and daughter, simultaneously blowing Gilead to hell... He's not even someone who would lead protests in another country calling on the government to take steps against Gilead..to save his wife by diplomatic means, so to speak.. But there are few of them, to be honest. The hatch isn't perfect, but it's real.
And the series, though not bad, but a pure filler, just to bring the season to 10 episodes)
@Lala_B: Americans have been allocated a place to live - the same Little America neighborhood in Toronto. Some semblance of their power is working. People are wanted.
Why do we need protests? They received help from Canada. Gilead is being pressed economically since they have a shortage with ordinary products + the commander was talking about the embargo, but judging by the words about the war with the army, these assholes are doing well.
Whine - please attack the neighboring nuclear state, because there is a dictatorship and our citizens remain prisoners?
Finally, they began to show people, and not just black and white. Absolutely did not believe in the atmosphere shown before this series. There were just some robots (men) on the one hand and victims (women) on the other. I was very pleased with the moment with the guardian who helped June and Luke escape, now you can really start to believe that this could have happened in reality, where most people simply turned out to be hostages of the regime and were forced to obey.
On "I love you. So much." I'm in tears, although nothing foreshadowed. It was interesting to watch flashbacks about one Luke, but not about them as a family. And how the Hatch covered the girl (blonde) when they started shooting at them in the boat.
The rest of the series is very so-so. Normal, but uninteresting to squander.
The most interesting episode of the whole season, really showed their experiences, pain It became more interesting to watch after I learned about the past
Not the best episode of the series, but worthy. I am glad that after reporting about Luke in the last series, they immediately revealed the topic, and did not start pulling the intrigue until the middle of the season. It's good that the world began to open up more, and Luke himself was pleased. Just the most ordinary person, not bad, but not a hero either
Я правильно поняла Гилеанд это закрытый политический (военный типа) город. Где ото всех скрыли.
Просто я так не поняла суть всего, понимаю что это аутопия. Но как то не вижу сюжета кроме Джуна. И это серия вроде раскрывает жизнь за Гиленда, но при это чёт немного скучно и не понятно
We can say that the series gives a little hope
It is unclear only why he was taken to be treated, only to be hanged later. So that there is, as it should be, a religious "court"?
1. There is some kind of resistance, a network for finding people
2. The semblance of the American government has been preserved (remember the flags everywhere and the portraits of presidents in the office where Luke received the note)
3. The life of the runaways in Canada is not so rosy. Luke has been there for 3 years, but he has old broken glasses. There is a norm for coffee. Interruptions with heating in the apartment
4. Some still have humanity - during the search of the car, the soldier lied to his
In general, it was interesting to see people's attempts to escape, to actively fight. Watching dystopias through the eyes of one character is boring. Through the eyes of different heroes, the whole picture can be shown
It seems to me that this is nothing compared to Gilead. In Canada, it's like heaven and ponies.
Honestly, this series is very poorly written. Logical errors and contradictions are everywhere. Why did the commandors arrange such a regime, if they themselves like to read and sleep with their wife (and not only)? Why is this method of sex slavery preferable to much more humane and effective methods of artificial insemination, which are becoming more and more common nowadays? If there is such a crisis with the population in the world, as shown in the series, everyone should not care about any dubious religious beliefs of any one sect. And in general, I will never believe that such horrors occur in freedom-loving America so close to our time.
And why have we already received a whole useless series about Luke, from which we did not learn anything new, but we never saw a single episode about the character of Alexis Bledel — the only interesting character, except for June herself and maybe Moira? And they declared her almost as the second main character. And if it were, the series would be ten times cooler than it is now, but so far only Elisabeth Moss is alone and pulls out this despondency.
maybe they didn't make visible ice on the road, but when the car shakes before the accident, the character says "Watch it, it's icy". So there is some explanation for this moment.
Luke was in a panic and in shock, his hands were shaking, complete chaos. Well, the road is slippery again. No wonder he flew out.
The harsh regime, strict restrictions, no artificial insemination, etc. - it's all because of religious turn. They also have a whole system of justifying the new order with
prayers and expressive reading of pages from the Bible. Even the name "maid" is because of the parable about the biblical wife. Artificial insemination does not fit in here, of course, no matter how logical it may be. And any indulgences, especially those that can contribute to freethinking (such as reading) is a direct path to the fall of the regime. A system of this type can hold out for at least some time only when there is everything together - both sincere fanaticism from some, and the toughest hand with a machine gun that restrains others.
The more interesting question is, really, how did this sect get the upper hand. Where did they get so many followers from? Where did so many strong guys with weapons come from, a whole army of their own? Or did they somehow recruit the active American army? Well, the only thing that can be assumed here is that this is how human consciousness works - at the moment of a terrible crisis, it is urgent to find a support that will offer an explanation of what is happening (it is also desirable that the blame falls on someone who is not you, such as gays, women who have had an abortion, etc.) and a clear program actions on how to get out of the crisis. Criticality decreases, you are ready to believe anyone who speaks confidently and seems to know what he is doing.
Many Americans were probably quite ready for such a turn. Love of freedom - yes, but many people get along well with inertia, traditionalism, racism, intolerance in general and a very peculiar religiosity.
here's the first thought - what did they crash into? these guards followed them only much later.
But I will answer your second why, as I think - apparently there was some kind of radical Christian sect. They did everything to seize power. So they began to arrange their lives according to their radical Old Testament traditions. Great perverting them at the same time. There is no such thing in the series - but according to the book, all these commanders are very elderly men. Apparently their faith does not deny slavery, but completely denies artificial insemination. After all, our time is full of ardent detractors of all scientific achievements. From blood transfusion to IVF,
And about IVF - now there are the same "adequate" people who believe that it is unnatural, and therefore should not exist.
Otherwise, I agree with you.
And today I was also thinking that America has a very good history of resistance. And they have weapons allowed. I don't really understand how something like this could happen at all, and not run into a giant resistance in the bud.
In the book, as far as I remember, little was said, not only about neighboring countries, but also about the world in general. In the series, we already know about the situation in Mexico, thanks to this series we have an idea of what is happening in Canada. Instead of one handmaid's tale, we gradually see a new world, which cannot but please)
good job. the series will not slide, they have where to develop and what to show. 5 points per episode, thank you.
As I understand it, the creators are moving away from the book, but somehow they do it thoughtlessly.
Thus, this series is not a flashback in itself (although for some reason a flashback was made in the flashback), but this is the beginning of the second series in the series. And I generally liked it. But let's see how the screenwriters will cope further (I have no doubt about the directors, cameramen and actors, they are clever in all series).
And as for the boring/not boring series - as already noted above, it is actually important, and it's even good that they put everything in one complete series, and not stretched out into many flashbacks
All this could be shown in a flashback in 5 minutes. An unnecessary and infernally stretched part with an exit from the city, with a house by the lake - remove it all and nothing would have changed.
The weakest episode of the season. I hope.
do you want a crowd of heroes in everyday life?
well, we can say that his wife will be stronger in character than he is.
I don't have a single character I like in this series at all.
when I read the book, I felt the same way - what a passion, what a horror, but I need to finish reading because it's interesting. The book ends rather strangely. It's a very blurry ending - I'm waiting for the filmmakers to offer us.
I had similar feelings when I read the Perfumer, but there the ending was clear and clear. So I just didn't watch the movie. I didn't want to dive into this story anymore.
you, dear, need to learn to distinguish between real life and cinema. And learn to discuss the series, and not the people who comment on it.
But it's not clear - how exactly did the Mexican get a bunch of information about Luke, who was in American Canada at that moment? Moreover, judging by the aunt's phrase "our friend from Mesquica helped", Luke apparently does not know him in any way (otherwise it would be easier to say - this is the one)
Yes, and this is "you are from Boston - they were broadcasting about you on the radio", as if society in a state of civil war, terror and population outflow has no problems at all besides the heroes of our film.
But otherwise the series is not bad.
The Mexican is an agent of the resistance network, which helps to find people. This Mexican was on his way to Boston with the ambassador. He could quite get acquainted with the database of missing people in the area of this city. He could have looked at the photo after the meeting in the commander's office and found out information about June later. Phones, the Internet, computers exist.
And why can't her story be told properly?
And where are all the teenagers? Children over the age of 10? In special settlements?
Then Moira tries to escape again, along with June. She leaves by train, and it is quite logical that from the "other end of the train", so to speak, she is caught on the run and killed.
Again, we are not always given to know for sure where our loved ones are. We can be mistaken, judge by false facts received from other people, believe rumors. June doesn't have to know where Moira is, just because we, the audience, have seen the previous six episodes and know where she is.
It is this series that is closest to reality, that's why it hurts. For some reason, it reminded me very much of the documentary chronicles about the Berlin Wall, when at first the Germans crossed to the west in droves, then through the forests in groups and at night, then when the Wall grew in a couple of days - through the windows of neighboring houses, and then they were shot...
Pull, pull me completely!
(And don't forget to poke the camera in the face)
Imho in an escape through the woods with his ladies, he would be more useful.
And the series, though not bad, but a pure filler, just to bring the season to 10 episodes)
I feel sorry for Zoe.
Why do we need protests? They received help from Canada. Gilead is being pressed economically since they have a shortage with ordinary products + the commander was talking about the embargo, but judging by the words about the war with the army, these assholes are doing well.
Whine - please attack the neighboring nuclear state, because there is a dictatorship and our citizens remain prisoners?
The rest of the series is very so-so. Normal, but uninteresting to squander.
It became more interesting to watch after I learned about the past
- For now...
People quickly get used to the fact that everything is gradually banned, and when they catch themselves, it becomes too late.
I am glad that after reporting about Luke in the last series, they immediately revealed the topic, and did not start pulling the intrigue until the middle of the season. It's good that the world began to open up more, and Luke himself was pleased. Just the most ordinary person, not bad, but not a hero either
Просто я так не поняла суть всего, понимаю что это аутопия. Но как то не вижу сюжета кроме Джуна. И это серия вроде раскрывает жизнь за Гиленда, но при это чёт немного скучно и не понятно