Fucked up, citizens. It was obvious that this was coming, but it didn't make me feel any less sick. I liked that there were no twists and unfortunate subverting expectations - Roman flirted with fascism for a long time, Ken took over from Logan all his worst traits, no matter how he claimed otherwise, and Shiv is powerless with her liberal platitudes. Kast likes to say that they read the script of the first episode on election day 2016, apparently it left an indelible impression.
@crazybee: Well, yes, all her life she wrinkled her nose at the Republicans, but she was not embarrassed by secret congresses and the fact that Logan had the president on speed dial on his phone, and now suddenly she started talking about pluralism and the importance of each vote to those who obviously never cared
That's right, Roman said, "we just made a night of good TV", a great episode. The series is called America Decides, but in fact millionaires eventually elected a fascist president. They showed the process well, the whole episode keeps you in suspense, the only funny moment with wasabi, and so you're freaking out about what's happening for the whole hour.
Sometimes you sympathize with Roman, but the screenwriters from time to time remind you what he really is, Kendall seems to have tried to do the right thing, but a deal is a deal, and Shiv...once again, they show that this whole business is not for Shiv - she had a chance to negotiate with Greg, he even told her in plain text, but she chose threats. Greg is the easiest to bribe, everyone did it, and even Logan, when Greg had dirt, normally agreed with him, and Shiv as usual... she also lied about calling Nate (after Kendall revealed himself to her), in general, a gorgeous scene when Kendall found out, Greg was laughing behind the glass. Well, I told Tom about pregnancy at the best moment, I'm not even surprised by his reaction.
@kobiii: The novel is a true Swarm, a series about business, about empire, there is no place for your own political views here. Their whole family and those close to her have long lost their humanity.
It was clear that Matson's team would not keep their mouths shut about Shiv, but Shiv in this series with her stupid lies about the call (it was clear that all sorts of if and suddenly, Ken would not be satisfied and he would demand certainty), actually pushed Menken. Everything is in full glory-Shiv is stupid, Roman is a monster, Ken is all in the name of business, Tom "serves", but not Shiv, Greg is where the carrot is, not the whip, Conor is as vile as ever. With the Novel in general, everything turned out to be simple-infringement in everything from childhood = sympathy for fascism and thirst for revenge, no matter that you are from a billionaire's family. It is very interesting what will happen next, in an almost direct confrontation of all. And as if with the elections, it's not a fact yet, you never know what the ATN talked about there. I don't remember in what year there was a recount in Florida and Bush just slightly bypassed Albert Gore. But of course this whole series is an allusion to Trump.
Fak, that's all Roman's true nature came out. we already knew that, but faaak. Dude, do you really think Mencken will be easier? Shiv and her constant lies. Ken, what was that? "I love you, but you are not serious people" throughout the series, the kids were on their own, without the old guard and everyone else. Frank and his "Connor" ran for President?"and the moment with wasabi and lemonade-to tears ahhaaa
I won't repeat myself about the plot of the series, everyone has already said above, but the scene where Ken goes out to call Nate, and realizes that Shiv lied to him - laughed to tears, against the background of everything that is happening, this magnificent game with eyes from Jeremy and Sarah is simply beyond praise
How this series raises the bar of drama with each episode is simply amazing! I got the impression that I was in the studio with them) In order, bravo Roman, so we saw his game, here he is a real beast with a lack of moral principles, but being on the right hand of power, although we will see, of course, what will come of it, but he took a clear position of Logan, put the president in the chair and lead him. Kendall, in fact, he could have influenced the election situation if not for Shiv's betrayal, because again, it's better to try to reduce the harm when you have access to a decision-maker than to hope for principled views, but to be honest, he was sincerely sorry for the whole situation with his daughter, Shiv what a talking face Jeremy Strong has) Shiv, oh my poor lost girl, the confession to Tom was of course too spontaneous, Tom's lack of reaction is very understandable, well, she was really left alone when the brothers found out everything, the question is how Matson will act. And finally Tom and Greg, it felt like they were back in their relationship in season 1, but the only mystery for me remains what will happen to Greg, since he is already closer to Matson, knows a lot of things, he's still here for a reason)
I did not understand the main idea of the episode: ATN, proclaiming the president on its channel, does not affect the real picture in any way, what is the point in this at all? What's the profit for Menken from this? Only in order to shout about falsifications in case of loss?
I would venture to assume — but I am not a political scientist or an Americanist, so let them correct me — that this will reduce the likelihood of a repeat election in the same Wisconsin where the ballots were burned.
The ATN declared victory, the rest picked up, the Republicans are jubilant. if we consider that Manken is almost a neo—Nazi, many of his followers are most likely radicals - to question their triumph means to get "capitol seizures" multiplied by all the states, which will surely quickly escalate into armed clashes.
in addition, it seems to me that it undermines the trust of citizens in the system. here one of the main TV channels of the country declares Manken the winner — according to, as viewers think, confirmed data (after all, the presidential election is not corporate jeans or jaundice about stars). then suddenly it turns out that everything is wrong, everything is wrong and the winner is not him at all. such castling will sow doubt: who and where lied, and were the calculations in the rest of the states true?
most likely, it will be easier for the Democrats to retreat and not call for re-elections or for a recount (which rarely changes anything, and there is nothing to recount with burnt ballots). but that's how I understood it :-(
@death___knight: I also don't really understand this point, is it really because the ballots were set on fire, the whole state will be thrown out of the election, especially if it is decisive, there should be a repeat vote and a recount in Wisconsin. Most likely, this is just creating chaos, and "chaos is a ladder" for Menken.
@death___knight: thank you for writing the question. I watched the series and felt stupid, I didn't understand at all what was going on, why the TV channel was deciding who won there.
@daliyasha: In reality, in the 2020 election, Fox News announced early that Biden won in Arizona when the count was still far from being completed, and in the end the difference was only 0.3 percent. The bosses of the TV channel really did not want to announce Biden, because their viewers mostly voted for Trump. And after the election, they changed their shoes and began to accuse the Democrats of rigging the results, falsifications in different states, even recounting the votes in Wisconsin again, as here) well, in 2000, Bush, through friends in the Supreme Court, managed to stop the recount in Florida, which most likely would have shown that Al Gore won.
It feels like you're watching a typical origin villain-Kendall. Even the classic trope where he wanted to go the right way, but betrayal brought him back to the path of atrocities :)
Shiv is expected to lose because of his attempts at multi-pass. Why did she give up Mettson - it's not clear. For me, from the first season, it is not clear why Shiv so stubbornly puts a stick in Kendall's wheels and tries to sabotage him, while not getting any personal benefit from it. And even if he gets it, he can't implement it.
@siberiandragon: Shiv initially harbored a grudge that during the redistribution after Logan's death, her brothers left her out by default, since she is a woman. From here everything goes - to mess with them and climb as high as possible yourself to prove something to them.
Damn, I knew that Kendall was hanging on your computer for a good reason for most of the episode. at some point, there was a feeling that he just couldn't keep up with what was happening around him, but in the end he woke up damn))
Shiv just fucked up everything for the series. First, she dripped on Tom's brain on the most inopportune day, so he didn't even listen to her anymore, then for some reason she tried to intimidate Greg, although it was enough to wink and promise candy, and he would shut up, and then she also tried to take advantage of the moment when Ken was really sincere with her, and then when she was caught in an elementary lie, she began to make an evil face and plan revenge for what she had done. The only thing I didn't understand is what is the problem with Ken's daughter and what does the election have to do with it? Why did he send surveillance after them?
@Lavash: Ken's adopted daughter is swarthy, she was racially threatened on the street by Menken-Ravenhead thugs (a conversation with the Rabbi in the last episode). That's why Kendall sent a security guard after them. This is all Kendal's hesitation, he promised his daughter safety, and in the end supported the Nazi because of the deal.
@Lavash: missed the moment? I'm not a racist, but do you have eyes, are you not confused by the color of your skin and the fact that the girl is clearly something close to an Indian?
@shizuoasa: she wasn't in the frame at that moment, I don't even remember when she was. Ken's children generally appear 5 times during the series, so I didn't even remember what she looked like
@Lavash: not for the series, she has been stirring things up behind the brothers' backs since the beginning of the season, starting from the moment when she conspired to inflate the price. And in general, the whole series is playing its game and all the time sits in a puddle, she is not ready for the board at all, although she so passionately wants it.
@blindAvocado: It's about foul play and playing up to foul play. This is a disaster. But it is not surprising that this is difficult to understand in a country where there is only foul play, and people for 20 years (to divert attention from foul play) have been incited against liberals, gays, neighbors, previous rulers, etc.
@pavpasha: Неистово плюсую, все эти выборы, республиканцы, демократы и т.д... не для простого русского человека с другими понятиями. Я тоже запутался( Но чувствую, их глазами эпизод был бы бомбическим (на IMDB рейтинг 9.4)
the whole fourth season I don't understand what is happening. I kind of understand everything and the general storyline is aware, but it's not at all clear to me why the whole season is dragging on (like Barney and Robin's wedding), what's going on with Shiv and Tom back and forth, where it's all going. the feeling that the translation is not an Amediateka spoils everything or not? or are there the same lost ones?
@EllieCheers: Such deals can take years. Disney had been negotiating with Fox since the 17th year, and the deal was concluded in the 19th, then another year and a half took the transition. All this is under the supervision of various state structures such as the antimonopoly service. In life, by the way, as in the TV series, the family was not very happy about the takeover and kept Foxnews (Trump's mouthpiece) for themselves
Yes, how differently even this series is perceived, judging by the comments. In my personal opinion, Shiv, both from the point of view of manipulation and expression of her opinion (the fate of the state worries one of the richest people in the country, yes, it happens in life), simply lost this battle with the Novel, which, both from the point of view of dirty movies, and polemically simply destroyed the reverse side. And as far as this series is staged, it is not necessary to say, clearly the best series (minus the series with Logan's death, obviously) with a large margin. We are waiting for the fantastic 2 last episodes of this series
@askarikkisa: people like Roman will always win in an argument, not because they are great intellectuals, but because for them the subject of the dispute is a game, not the lives of real people. Roman himself said - "we just made a night of great TV". he is too rich for the consequences of his actions to seem real to him.
@askarikkisa: >the fate of the state worries one of the richest people in the country, yes, that's how it happens in life I understand that my own example is blurring my eyes here. But, of course, the preservation of civilization (the quality of procedures and institutions) is in the long-term interests of the Conscious rich. Because we need honest courts to preserve our wealth, and not a dictator took it away at the snap of his fingers. Because I want children to live in a free country without fears. Because this is insurance against the arbitrariness of the security forces. And so on, so on, so on.
@derxot: and where is such a free country? In the world of unicorns and pink ponies? In order to preserve their wealth, as you can see, they need not honest courts, but well-fed ones, like the president. There is nothing from the word here at all, as there is no smell of freedom, and the illusion of freedom and choice is not reality)))
@de_javu: Living in hell, it's easier to assume that nothing exists except hell, I understand you perfectly (especially if the entire state information machine works on this simple idea: hell is everywhere, not only with us, relax). This helps to preserve the psyche to some extent, but, unfortunately, it makes hell even more hellish and, as a result, the psyche will still suffer.
@derxot: Will there be an answer to the question, or is it just your thoughts packed into an "objective" opinion? ))) And then I've never been to other countries (I've only seen pictures in books), and my friends don't live in them (they only tell me everything on TV and show it to me) Where do I get my own opinion from? after all, I live in Mordor)) So where is freedom and rights? Where it is not the elites who rule, but ordinary mortals are allowed freedom of thought, and not the imposition of correct thoughts and freedoms, as an option through the media (perfectly shown in this series) After all, this is for the best of intentions! It's like bringing democracy all over the world, where no one asks for it, and not just democracy, but only the right one, because no one knows how to play it like the greatest lady.
@de_javu: Believers don't need answers to questions, haven't you seen it a thousand times over the past year and a half? You have poured out a little of your faith on me in this lengthy post. That's what I'm saying, if it helps you live, then you're welcome. My job is not to be silent, but to signal to the surrounding space (to you / not to you / for the future - it does not matter) that this is an unhealthy faith that aggravates the situation in the end instead of healing.
And for healing, I recommend everyone to study high-quality political science, starting with E.M. Shulman. Half of the hassle will immediately subside. The second half is filmed by high-quality sources of information, but the process of their selection and screening takes years, I cannot demand such an investment from people.
A man who came out of an organization engaged in the most monstrous terror in the first half of the 20th century, who did not suffer ANY punishment for it, eventually brought this organization to power and built medieval feudalism for 20 years. And for a part of what was collected from the fiefs, he created faith in a great country and a special way of feudalism surrounded by enemies. It is not surprising that it all ended up falling into the abyss (it is still at the very beginning).
@de_javu: But the advice was the real answer, but you decided not to notice it, but to be outraged. It's a choice. A good political science base will best answer your question. One Shulman is easy to watch, her authority is indisputable, you can't go wrong. And there, normal sources of information will catch up. (...)
I met a good comment about the election. The bottom line is that because of the burned ballots, it is impossible to announce the president before the end of the proceedings, since both Menken and Imenes are equally likely to win.But the Swarms have such a situation that they need to choose someone and increase someone's chances with the ATN machine, so that later, in case of victory, he would become "their" president and block the deal. At the same time, you can choose anyone, depending on which line to bend "we count the surviving votes" or "every vote should be taken into account and this is the state of the Democrats in the last election." If the ATN does not help anyone, the Swarms immediately lose and lose the support of two. The screenwriters specially created this slippery situation to show how business and politicians with the help of the media can push their interests. But the courts are waiting for the channel for violation and perhaps the ATN cover, as Shiv said.
A master class from Siobhan on how to present the news of pregnancy to her husband in an original way. I am all hands and feet for Emmy Sarah Snook, if this does not happen it will be very unfortunate.
The best episode of this brilliant show at the moment! Everything is fine in it! Starting from acting and screenwriting and ending with a critical look at the media and their influence on "democratic" elections. And what is Roman wrong about? Is he his father's true son?! I'm ready for anything for the sake of business! Tom and Gregg — oooh, it was fucking funny, but at the same time Tom clearly showed that he was in his place in the company. Shiv—kamon, it couldn't last long. Ken — how sorry for him. Wow, if this is really the last season of the series, it's very sad.
The series is remarkable as: 1. A skillful maelstrom of hundreds of circumstances over all the seasons that led to where they led. 2. An example of the brilliant reflection of American society about itself. Largely thanks to this constant reflection, the country continues to move into the future. And how the absence of such reflection leads to war and fascism.
An important lesson that we learn a few years after such events: strong democratic institutions can digest even a fascist in power for a while and expel him. But where institutions are destroyed, and the people support the destruction of institutions, agree to unconsciousness, there is war and chaos.
@derxot: отсутствие войн на протяжении лет +-8?) Да реально благодаря рефлексии😂😂😂 Что за бред, если им нужно и они могут, они обязательно вторгаются) И где же тут исторгание фашиста у власти? Пока я не увидел чем это закончилось, он пока еще у власти даже не успел побывать Спок ципсо
Greg was originally slippery, but now he's an established asshole Fig! that it was on Tom's part during the argument between Shiv and Roman. It's good that Ken shut up
I finally see the process of media influence on politics
It's funny and disgusting to watch them all fuck each other. At some point it became almost physically painful from the sight of this squabble. Strongly.
It seems that the empire will survive after all, but the people will be completely lost. And everything seems logical, the children have become real killers, just as their father wanted... And Greg is an accomplished serial maniac, in general, he was defiled.
@derxot: Don't give out advice to watch Shulman (which I watched by the way) for an answer, it's not him) and even more so to assert that her authority is indisputable. But first of all, you write comments here, not Ekaterina, and then you begin to move away from the usual answers to specific questions, starting to throw around general phrases, hang labels and convict me of faith, with which it is supposedly easier for me to live. Although you yourself live in a faith in which it is easier for you to live. I will probably end this dialogue with this, since it began with a question to which I have not received an answer and obviously will not receive one. Good luck!
@de_javu: Shulman is just the "old man-historian" who was going to be released so that he could tell that "this has already happened" and why it happened.
What blatant propaganda. It's a pity that such a great season was ruined by this shameful campaign. It is curious that all the opponents of the "fascist" Trump are alive and well and feel great, and by hook or by crook they are trying to put him away for a million years simply because he once beat them in the elections.
У серии как будто бы немного вайбы сериала The Newsroom, весь час об этом думала. За оставшиеся две серии очень вряд ли хоть кого-нибудь из героев догонит карма хоть за что-нибудь, сериал не про это, а жаль.
Кендалл хороший пример того, что происходит, когда ребенок токсичных родителей заводит семью, не разобравшись со своим багажом, и вместо этого только множит страдания уже своих детей.
How good everything was at the beginning of the season, the kids worked together (or at least tried to work together) and nothing signaled a total cunt...
It somehow made me uneasy that one news channel could have such a big impact on the election results in an entire country. I do not know how true this is for American realities, but in any case it is very sad. But even sadder is that there are a lot of people on the side of fascist Menken. Even if we discard the burned-out votes, he would have quietly scored about 40% or even more. That's 4 people out of every 10.
Sometimes you sympathize with Roman, but the screenwriters from time to time remind you what he really is, Kendall seems to have tried to do the right thing, but a deal is a deal, and Shiv...once again, they show that this whole business is not for Shiv - she had a chance to negotiate with Greg, he even told her in plain text, but she chose threats. Greg is the easiest to bribe, everyone did it, and even Logan, when Greg had dirt, normally agreed with him, and Shiv as usual... she also lied about calling Nate (after Kendall revealed himself to her), in general, a gorgeous scene when Kendall found out, Greg was laughing behind the glass. Well, I told Tom about pregnancy at the best moment, I'm not even surprised by his reaction.
It is very interesting what will happen next, in an almost direct confrontation of all. And as if with the elections, it's not a fact yet, you never know what the ATN talked about there. I don't remember in what year there was a recount in Florida and Bush just slightly bypassed Albert Gore. But of course this whole series is an allusion to Trump.
Shiv and her constant lies. Ken, what was that?
"I love you, but you are not serious people"
throughout the series, the kids were on their own, without the old guard and everyone else.
Frank and his "Connor" ran for President?"and the moment with wasabi and lemonade-to tears ahhaaa
The ATN declared victory, the rest picked up, the Republicans are jubilant. if we consider that Manken is almost a neo—Nazi, many of his followers are most likely radicals - to question their triumph means to get "capitol seizures" multiplied by all the states, which will surely quickly escalate into armed clashes.
in addition, it seems to me that it undermines the trust of citizens in the system. here one of the main TV channels of the country declares Manken the winner — according to, as viewers think, confirmed data (after all, the presidential election is not corporate jeans or jaundice about stars). then suddenly it turns out that everything is wrong, everything is wrong and the winner is not him at all. such castling will sow doubt: who and where lied, and were the calculations in the rest of the states true?
most likely, it will be easier for the Democrats to retreat and not call for re-elections or for a recount (which rarely changes anything, and there is nothing to recount with burnt ballots). but that's how I understood it :-(
Shiv is expected to lose because of his attempts at multi-pass. Why did she give up Mettson - it's not clear.
For me, from the first season, it is not clear why Shiv so stubbornly puts a stick in Kendall's wheels and tries to sabotage him, while not getting any personal benefit from it. And even if he gets it, he can't implement it.
The only thing I didn't understand is what is the problem with Ken's daughter and what does the election have to do with it? Why did he send surveillance after them?
But it is not surprising that this is difficult to understand in a country where there is only foul play, and people for 20 years (to divert attention from foul play) have been incited against liberals, gays, neighbors, previous rulers, etc.
>the fate of the state worries one of the richest people in the country, yes, that's how it happens in life
I understand that my own example is blurring my eyes here.
But, of course, the preservation of civilization (the quality of procedures and institutions) is in the long-term interests of the Conscious rich. Because we need honest courts to preserve our wealth, and not a dictator took it away at the snap of his fingers. Because I want children to live in a free country without fears. Because this is insurance against the arbitrariness of the security forces. And so on, so on, so on.
This helps to preserve the psyche to some extent, but, unfortunately, it makes hell even more hellish and, as a result, the psyche will still suffer.
You have poured out a little of your faith on me in this lengthy post. That's what I'm saying, if it helps you live, then you're welcome. My job is not to be silent, but to signal to the surrounding space (to you / not to you / for the future - it does not matter) that this is an unhealthy faith that aggravates the situation in the end instead of healing.
And for healing, I recommend everyone to study high-quality political science, starting with E.M. Shulman. Half of the hassle will immediately subside. The second half is filmed by high-quality sources of information, but the process of their selection and screening takes years, I cannot demand such an investment from people.
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man who came out of an organization engaged in the most monstrous terror in the first half of the 20th century, who did not suffer ANY punishment for it, eventually brought this organization to power and built medieval feudalism for 20 years. And for a part of what was collected from the fiefs, he created faith in a great country and a special way of feudalism surrounded by enemies. It is not surprising that it all ended up falling into the abyss (it is still at the very beginning).
A good political science base will best answer your question. One Shulman is easy to watch, her authority is indisputable, you can't go wrong. And there, normal sources of information will catch up.
(...)
The screenwriters specially created this slippery situation to show how business and politicians with the help of the media can push their interests.
But the courts are waiting for the channel for violation and perhaps the ATN cover, as Shiv said.
I am all hands and feet for Emmy Sarah Snook, if this does not happen it will be very unfortunate.
And what is Roman wrong about? Is he his father's true son?! I'm ready for anything for the sake of business!
Tom and Gregg — oooh, it was fucking funny, but at the same time Tom clearly showed that he was in his place in the company.
Shiv—kamon, it couldn't last long.
Ken — how sorry for him.
Wow, if this is really the last season of the series, it's very sad.
this scene >>>>> all
I have exactly one claim - the youth and beauty of both presidential candidates is very unrealistic
1. A skillful maelstrom of hundreds of circumstances over all the seasons that led to where they led.
2. An example of the brilliant reflection of American society about itself. Largely thanks to this constant reflection, the country continues to move into the future. And how the absence of such reflection leads to war and fascism.
An important lesson that we learn a few years after such events: strong democratic institutions can digest even a fascist in power for a while and expel him. But where institutions are destroyed, and the people support the destruction of institutions, agree to unconsciousness, there is war and chaos.
Что за бред, если им нужно и они могут, они обязательно вторгаются)
И где же тут исторгание фашиста у власти? Пока я не увидел чем это закончилось, он пока еще у власти даже не успел побывать
Спок ципсо
Fig! that it was on Tom's part during the argument between Shiv and Roman. It's good that Ken shut up
I finally see the process of media influence on politics
It seems that the empire will survive after all, but the people will be completely lost. And everything seems logical, the children have become real killers, just as their father wanted... And Greg is an accomplished serial maniac, in general, he was defiled.
За оставшиеся две серии очень вряд ли хоть кого-нибудь из героев догонит карма хоть за что-нибудь, сериал не про это, а жаль.
Кендалл хороший пример того, что происходит, когда ребенок токсичных родителей заводит семью, не разобравшись со своим багажом, и вместо этого только множит страдания уже своих детей.
"Don't we dream that for once something clean would appear here, on this poisoned soil...."
Goosebumps from this Mencken