@fladik: The show wouldn't have been released without it. It's good that they didn't mock the main characters, changing their attitude towards books, but as for me, for the better.
@Doro: as for me, not a single character can be considered transferred from the book. They are all completely different people, and only for some they have preserved their name, nation and general vector of development. Simplified it. This is done to make it interesting for the average inexperienced viewer to watch
@sensodellavita: Da Shi is close enough to the book, it's just that he's not so rude and anisocial anymore. They removed the moment where Yu Weiji kills an officer by cutting off his rope, as it is close to the book. The rest were shuffled a bit from all the books, but not that these characters were well spelled out in the books. As a science fiction writer, the author showed interesting ideas, but the characters are flat and not realistic, unlike the film adaptation of Netflix.
@Doro: somehow I can't agree with this view of the characters. I understand that they have been shuffled and I understand that Liu does not always go deep into psychology, but * SPOILERS, DISCUSSION OF THE BOOK * * * * Da Shi is a wonderful friend and a resourceful, inventive tracker, not a dull devil on the phone I remind you that Wenjie killed not only the commissioner, but also her husband along with him. She was also not a fanatic, she regretted both the death of her daughter and her choice. It is not at all close to the book, as I see it so far.
@sensodellavita: Da Shi was inventive and brilliant in the book, the idea of the ship was his, and he defused the entire investigation of the sect and the bomb during the raid (this moment was also cut out in the show)
that is, they have been watching people for decades and do not understand that people are lying . until they were told a fairy tale. It doesn't seem to fit .
@jensenjar: they do not know how to lie, they do not know about lies, and they understood only by the example of a fairy tale. Something is wrong. We received new data, analyzed it and drew conclusions.
@jensenjar: they cannot read minds, so they do not understand the whole essence of human treachery. Because they had nothing to compare it with. And here, on the example of a fairy tale, everything is clearly shown "let's talk to the wolf". They can't help but have it, and people have a fiction. They couldn't understand it without a hint. And they are not physically present on Earth. People also watch the stars and draw conclusions based on their experience, which may be incorrect. Plus, watching doesn't mean understanding.
@Hidji: как не они? а кто? и разве с момента как они прислали софоклы которые все видят не много времени прошло? они не видят как люди обманывают друг друга? для этого не нужно читать мысли... достаточно наблюдать что люди говорят и что делают. а человек врет в среднем 8 раз в день.
@jensenjar: Sophons are not aliens themselves. I didn't want to spoiler before episode 5, where they were told about them. They pass on all the information they deem important. And before comprehending the very concept of a lie, during a conversation with a fairy tale, they did not understand its nature. And the sophons arrived on Earth a few months before the conversation at the end of the fifth episode, if you listened carefully). Not decades.
@jensenjar: the nature of lying and how to understand exactly when a person is lying are two different things). They understood what lies are and what people are capable of, in addition to a high rate of development. And they were scared. To hell with it. Therefore, they decided to destroy humanity. In the original, everything is more detailed and understandable, but alas... I understand your indignation at having to ask about things that cannot be learned without reading the book, I am shocked by the results of this "simplification"
@Hidji: yes, there is a lot of philosophy and scientific reasoning in books, there is much less of this here, but at the same time there is a good pace of narration, the plot holds
@jensenjar: Do you understand the nature of lying? Why would your loved one lie to you? Do you understand why at some moments you lie for the good? Do you understand why someone can't tell you something to your face?
You understand this, but rather intuitively, because you do it yourself. If you couldn't physically lie at all, you wouldn't understand what it means, why you would do such a thing, and what a lie is in general.
It's like seeing every night that your cat runs and screams steadily from 3 a.m. to 5 a.m., but not understanding the nature of nocturnal besoebness - why and why he does it. Because you don't have the urge to run around at night and yell. And not all cats have such impulses.
@albinka_: пришельцы сами врут. начиная с самого первого в сериале который сказал китаянке чтою она больше ничего не постила им а предыдудыщий ее пост он скрыл от других. то есть наврал.
@jensenjar: He wasn't lying. The outcast is a hermit who lived far from the rest and was under surveillance. No one of his race had been in contact with him for many years. And when E's message came, he told everything openly and honestly during the interrogation of the Council of Trisolarians. There was not a word of lies there.
@jensenjar: so in the series, too, there was no such thing as an alien outcast lying to someone. They said he was a pacifist and asked him not to answer. And it was necessary not to answer so that the Trisolarians would not understand where the signal came from. that is, the first contact occurred, but they do not know where the signal came from, and after receiving the second signal, they have already calculated the location of our star system by the time the signal was coming from
@jensenjar: That's how they found out. but telepathy hardly works over long distances. and besides, why would a pacifist shout about it to the whole world? not lying is one thing, but not shouting about it to the whole world is another
@Topaz: There are a million scientific papers on psychology written about lies at every step, where everything is written about lies in detail. And here is a kindergarten.
@jensenjar: lying is a skill, millet, we have been learning to lie and cheat since childhood, and for us it is commonplace. But the skill is both writing and reading, and if you don't learn it, you won't be able to. For example, a child who did not go to kindergarten, was not deceived at home, coming to school, faced with a lie, will not understand what it is until he is told by those who know. Similarly, lying to aliens is a skill they lack. And if they don't reveal its nature from the outside, they won't understand it right away. That's what happened. Look at the situation not from the side of your knowledge and skills, but from the other side.
@jensenjar: В книге инопланетяне прекрасно знали кто такие люди. Может не в самых подробностях как индивиды, но как биологический вид разобрались без проблем. В сериале просто глупость сценаристов. Хотя они и пытаются это объяснить. Но опять же повторюсь, в книге всё гораздо логичнее.
If anything, the scene with the fairy tale is a one-on-one adaptation of a scene from the beginning of the second book of the cycle The Dark Forest. The scene explains why our interstellar brothers do not actively help this group in subsequent events.
@KoGran: На самом деле даже не удивлён. Книга конечно хорошая, но написана словно фанфик. Опыта у Лю Цысиня крайне мало. Так что есть свои минусы, которые можно было бы доработать в экранизации. Но по всей видимости сценаристы взяли минусы и выкинули плюсы. Хотя ладно не буду перегибать. Смотрится вполне не плохо, просто как то туповато местами.
While watching it, I came up with this theory: it seems that the creators of the series combined all three books at once and included all the main characters from there: Auggie is Wang Miao with his super-thin nanocrystals, Will is the dying Yun Tianming and Jin Cheng, it turns out that Chen Xing are the main characters of the third book. I'll assume that Sol is an analog of Lo Ji from the second book , and if that's the case, then this explains why there are so many characters at once and such an abbreviated narrative
The same idea came up. Auggie was immediately clear, but Yun and Jin just opened up in this episode. Although Jin plays instead of Wang Miao. But Sol = Lo Ji is still doubtful
@sanaeva: As it turns out, Chen's Indian fiance is also a future protagonist. It turns out that overcoming the Trisolarian crisis by the whole world goes into the furnace, five friends will sort everything out.
Cop Clarence is so crookedly inscribed in this series, it is clear from him that he is a normal guy at work, listens to his superiors, is not rude to anyone, talks politely to everyone, did not notice anything wrong in his personal life either, visits his wife's grave sweetly and objectively does not look like a bad father, BUT at the SAME time they tell us, that he was kicked out of nowhere and people are constantly negative towards him It's as if they rewrote the bookish Da Shi, but forgot to change the attitude of others towards him
Wasn't the one who received the signal from Earth and asked not to send anything else trying to lie to his own? And it turns out that they are not capable of this)
@Бранд: Наши земные учёные могут многое вообразить, Более невообразимое чем ложь или отсутствие лжи. Так что и они бы поняли это.
Вообще обмануть можно, будь ты даже телепат. Просто обманывать нужно по телефону. Или обман может быть не спецыалым. Например я сказал что то что думал что это так, а это не так. То как назвать то что я сделал - ошибся - обманул?
@Brand: that outsider lived alone on the sidelines for many, many years and stupidly looked at the monitor all the time and waited for some kind of signal. As he wrote, he was a pacifist. When his own people were called to court, they immediately found out everything, because everyone knows what one knows. so he didn't lie to his own people) he just went against the system, for which he was punished.
and sophons deliberately distort the test results so that humanity does not develop. they did not promise people that they would help them master the laws of physics, so there is no lie here.
@VVs7: they shared their knowledge, and their followers on earth have already created it. in general, there was no such thing in the book, they had a regular VR helmet, and there was no super-immersion
Так стоп, разве игру не инопланетяне придумали? Они по-любому должны знать концепцию сказки, поучительной истории, персонажей которой на самом деле не существует
@ChrisRedfield: but these were real historical periods from the past of the Trisolarians. They put their story into play, not a fairy tale. It's all true. And even the players, when registering, had to take the nicknames of scientists who actually existed in the history of the Earth, in order to then put forward theories for solving the problem. Netflix was unable to convey this adequately.
я начала смотреть этот сериал, так как myshows написал о нем, что тут якобы есть путешествия во времени. вопрос к тем, кто кто читал/а книги - вообще какие-то мало-мальски путешествия во времени есть в сюжете?
Tell me, I have not yet understood why scientists were forced to close projects? For example, why was there this countdown thing so that Auggie would close her nanofiber project?
@Albuta: precisely to stop it. The Trisolarians assessed the current scientific development of Earthlings and identified a number of developments that could pose a serious problem for them in the future. And they stopped it.
@Albuta: because the author of the books has some kind of special thing about FUNDAMENTAL sciences... well, he read such a word in the dictionary, someone told him that it was important and he started dancing around this word. Well, if you explain it on your fingers)))
@Dimitri_B: damn it, it's not perfect, but here it's just like a template... and this is clearly visible. He took a certain topic and begins to pick it up and dance around it with a tambourine. Specifically in this trilogy is fundamental science, escapism, the speed of light, the solar system, space sociology, "hibernation" and some others.
In general, after the vague first two episodes, the third one leveled up the pace a little and at least the plot began to take shape, and in the fourth it became more or less interesting.
I don't know, I think if there was a mystery in the first two episodes, then the further the more delusional the plot (and the actions of some of the characters). And when they said that they said that they would arrive in 400 years, a chuckle escaped involuntarily. I thought the danger was on the threshold, but here in 400 years the population of the earth will have time to both enslave in faith and then rebel and so on in a circle, because well, people are like that.
@GonReborn: this is described in great detail in the second book... and about self-confidence, and about the loss of hope, and about escapism and so on.
The fact that Ye was at the origin of the sect was obvious from the moment she called them. However, I thought that she would continue her communication at the base, but that's how it is.
But what confuses me is the murder of her daughter. Did she just kill her, just like all those scientists, because her daughter decided not to stop her project? If she is ready to sacrifice her daughter for the sake of the Lord, then it is very difficult to assess the depth of her fall into fanaticism. It feels like she just threw a bolt on trying to bring her to her faith, being the head of the flock.
And the screenwriters scored a bolt on revealing the cause of death of E Jr. (I feel they won't tell anything more about it)
And I wonder if this is the billionaire's daughter?!
And another interesting question on the topic of bugs. As I understood it, the driver, when exiting the car, took off the camera from the Ding, but at the same time did not lead her nose to the topic of the rest of the equipment. With the help of technology, they stupidly ignored the fact that there was a spy among them.
I will understand if this is explained by the fact that the Shan Ti turned away from their cult after the fairy tale, but so far it looks strange.
Well, the operatives behaved very stupidly, well, special services cannot be so stupid as to just burn down their agent to everyone. They just came and publicly began to take her away, take her out and cover her up.
@Даня_: Yes, it also seemed to me that they had revealed too obviously who their agent was. They could at least pretend that she was being arrested along with the others.
Who has read the book, please clarify one question, but without details. So, at the first contact back in China, a local pacifist caught the signal from the aliens and told them not to call back, otherwise others would find out about Earth, and in this series it turns out that they have a high mind and in general they are not aware of the concept of lying. Is this a stupid blunder or is it explained later?
@Tuliackbaev: It has been written more than once in the comments that he is an outcast, living on a very remote station and therefore inaccessible to the collective mind. Later, everyone became aware of his act. He was severely punished.
@Tuliackbaev: in this series, no, and it looks like a stupid blunder))). This has already happened in the text, and the first book here is only five episodes, the rest are already based on events 2 and 3. And all without details, they are there for half of the series).
@Hidji: Are you writing that you also hooked on the third book? I haven't read the third one yet, only two, I don't want to spoil the impression, which series would you recommend to stop at?)
@sensodellavita: no matter what, Netflix has a completely different approach to the film adaptation and the books with the series, except for the key events, are very different, which you have probably already noticed). Especially in terms of the time of events, here it is incredibly compressed. In fact, only the flight into space itself was hooked from the third, it is not so important to stop and, against the general background of the grandiosity of events, it is not lost at all.
And it is not for me, as a supporter of the Chinese series strictly according to the first book, to give recommendations on the Netflix that I did not like. So watch the whole thing, for that matter😅
@Hidji: thanks for the answer! I've already gotten involved in watching the netflix version, some things look stupid, some on the contrary are extremely impressive. I think those who are not familiar with the plot in any way, such a fast pace on the most significant events makes you watch with your mouth open 😄
Chinese is also good, it looks measured and almost meditative. But his problem is that the book can be read faster than the 30 hours that the season is running 😅
@sensodellavita: 22 hours). And, knowing this type of series, I watched at 1.15 speed (even the music does not suffer, not to mention the narrative rhythm), so I managed in about 19 rubles Quite normally, although I really read the book faster, but it was worth it).
@Tuliackbaev: do not call back 😅 he could also record at his contactee station how THE BUGS ARE CALLING NOT TO PICK UP THE PHONE " but yes, he was an outcast. This is a short episode in the book, not a spoiler. Perhaps you can even draw a parallel with Ye Wenjie, she was also not essentially integrated into society and therefore took such a step.
When I watched the series, there was some elusive feeling that something was wrong with the concept of intelligent aliens who couldn't lie, but I couldn't figure out what the problem was. A couple of days have passed, and it seems to have dawned on me) It presents the idea that aliens want to move to Earth in order to survive, because their home is too unstable. I.e., this is the standard behavior of animals on Earth too - to take over someone else's territory for the sake of survival. This means that the evolutionary processes of aliens went about the same way - some species seized the territories of others and either absorbed them or assimilated them. But if they had such a form of evolution, then lies must inevitably be present in their lives. After all, if a species can be eaten/captured, then it should be able to avoid such a fate. A huge number of living beings are literally engaged in lying when they mimic more dangerous forms of life or, conversely, hide from victims, pretending to be something harmless. Besides, lying is the basis of the game. Cubs and their parents pretend to attack each other, etc. in order to simulate the behavior of adult individuals in a safe environment - hunting and fighting. There is even a species of bird in which some males pretend to be females in order to distract other males and mate with real females themselves. Even the presence of another species is not necessary here - animals lie inside their species for the sake of procreation.
Lying is not an exclusively human feature, but a property of all living things, we just use lies on another level, because we have developed speech and social interaction. Therefore, I cannot imagine exactly how an evolutionarily advanced civilization arose without any lies. Not to mention the fact that it would be difficult to develop without the lies of civilization - no creativity, no games, no entertainment... No fantasy? Is it possible to make scientific discoveries or develop new technologies if you do not imagine the possibility of something that the eye does not see, or that contradicts previous experience?
@Scheusalwirt: @Scheusalwirt: I'm not going to refute everything, but here's some context from the book (there are small spoilers, but I'm not sure if this will be shown in the series).
>Cubs and their parents San ti (Trisolarians) do not have children in the usual sense: when two individuals merge, they are divided into several new young ones who inherit part of their parents' memories. Therefore, they are born with a more or less adult consciousness and, in fact, they do not have a childhood.
Not to mention that it would be difficult to develop without the lies of civilization - no creativity, no games, no entertainment... No fantasy? You're right! San ti describes a totalitarian society, which developed under such conditions for a very long time and with great difficulty. That is why, in fact, they are afraid of Earthlings, because in a very short period of time (by universal standards) we have developed to the current level of science. *NEXT, THE SPOILER IS MORE SIGNIFICANT* After exploring the Land, the San ti adopt a lot for themselves, including changing the structure of society towards greater freedoms. Further along the plot, science on Trisolaris is developing very rapidly: the book suggests that perhaps this is precisely because of a freer society.
@KoGran: This is a very correct remark, and in this way the author describes, as it were, between the lines, the totalitarian dictatorship of communist China.
@KoGran: Thanks for the context! But it still does not give an idea of exactly how, without any lies, they basically appeared and developed, and not only personally, but also all life on their planet. In terrestrial nature, there are also many species of animals that reproduce differently from us - by division, self-fertilization, etc., and many of them have mimicry, which is essentially a basic deception necessary for survival. I think it would be more plausible if these aliens did not think in a way similar to us - they could not talk and make conscious decisions to capture anyone, and would have a completely alien consciousness for us, as, for example, in Watts' False Blindness. Then the inability to understand the concept of deception would seem more logical. And so it's a bit like a magic assumption, precisely in order to draw an analogy with a totalitarian dystopia, without a real scientific justification. The main question is how, in principle, can wars and seizures of foreign territories be organized without intrigues and hidden trumps? If both conflicting parties know in advance about all tactics and possible solutions, and everything is as transparent as possible, then there is no point in a war at all, there is always an automatic winner...
@Scheusalwirt: just a hand-face... Why are you writing this at all? Or do you not understand what nonsense you are talking and what you are trying to prove?
@MarkRaffer: it seems to me nonsense to watch/read fiction and not ask questions about what is happening in it. If you are not interested in these questions, why answer them with rudeness?
@Scheusalwirt: booooooooooooooo, what's wrong with you? if on some planet the force of gravity is not 9.8, but say 18.84 meters per second, then you will still be foaming at the mouth and stamping your foot asking - WHY NOT 9.8? And if the speed of light is not 300,000 km per second, but say 1,000 meters per second, oh, and what will happen to you? will he burst with indignation? Or don't you realize how funny you look? This is fiction and some author sets the basic conditions for something fictional, such as 100% honesty and rehydration. That last one doesn't raise any questions for you, does it? And if they have penises instead of legs and look like arachnids? And oh my God, how vulnerable we are! he immediately sent me to ignore... well, go and drink latte with soy milk and cinnamon and be sure to stick out your little finger, maybe you will feel your exclusivity! Where do you come from?
@Scheusalwirt: the book described how their wars took place) two armies met, two generals came out, immediately recognized each other's plans, and the one with the best plan won) without bloodshed, a very quick victory in battle)
@Scheusalwirt: as I understand it, they do not communicate with each other by talking. Conversations are needed so that people, both readers and heroes, can understand trisolariaan. I would not combine the concept of conscious deception and the desire for survival so closely. All living things strive to remain so. And the survival mechanism of trisolarians is based on dehydration, which was shown in the game.
In this version, Ye is skewed into a psychopath. In the book, she was much more ambiguous, even though she committed a terrible betrayal of humanity by giving away the location of the Earth. And I don't even feel sorry for my daughter. The scene with the girl who escaped with a bullet in her legs reminded me of the old fandom GP meme " Snape crawled away"....Where were the brave special forces looking? They literally crawled away from them....😏🤦🏼♀️
The scene with the fairy tale about Little red Riding Hood is a fire, such intensity, I was so satisfied with Evans' confusion. So far, the best thing about the season
This is done to make it interesting for the average inexperienced viewer to watch
They removed the moment where Yu Weiji kills an officer by cutting off his rope, as it is close to the book. The rest were shuffled a bit from all the books, but not that these characters were well spelled out in the books. As a science fiction writer, the author showed interesting ideas, but the characters are flat and not realistic, unlike the film adaptation of Netflix.
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Da Shi is a wonderful friend and a resourceful, inventive tracker, not a dull devil on the phone
I remind you that Wenjie killed not only the commissioner, but also her husband along with him. She was also not a fanatic, she regretted both the death of her daughter and her choice. It is not at all close to the book, as I see it so far.
And they are not physically present on Earth.
People also watch the stars and draw conclusions based on their experience, which may be incorrect.
Plus, watching doesn't mean understanding.
и разве с момента как они прислали софоклы которые все видят не много времени прошло? они не видят как люди обманывают друг друга? для этого не нужно читать мысли... достаточно наблюдать что люди говорят и что делают. а человек врет в среднем 8 раз в день.
You understand this, but rather intuitively, because you do it yourself. If you couldn't physically lie at all, you wouldn't understand what it means, why you would do such a thing, and what a lie is in general.
It's like seeing every night that your cat runs and screams steadily from 3 a.m. to 5 a.m., but not understanding the nature of nocturnal besoebness - why and why he does it. Because you don't have the urge to run around at night and yell. And not all cats have such impulses.
Look at the situation not from the side of your knowledge and skills, but from the other side.
В сериале просто глупость сценаристов. Хотя они и пытаются это объяснить. Но опять же повторюсь, в книге всё гораздо логичнее.
, and if that's the case, then this explains why there are so many characters at once and such an abbreviated narrative
It's as if they rewrote the bookish Da Shi, but forgot to change the attitude of others towards him
Так что и они бы поняли это.
Вообще обмануть можно, будь ты даже телепат. Просто обманывать нужно по телефону.
Или обман может быть не спецыалым. Например я сказал что то что думал что это так, а это не так. То как назвать то что я сделал - ошибся - обманул?
and sophons deliberately distort the test results so that humanity does not develop. they did not promise people that they would help them master the laws of physics, so there is no lie here.
in general, there was no such thing in the book, they had a regular VR helmet, and there was no super-immersion
да и он прямо говорил - сказка ложь да в ней намек. то есть то что земляне лгут было бы понятно сразу.
But what confuses me is the murder of her daughter. Did she just kill her, just like all those scientists, because her daughter decided not to stop her project?
If she is ready to sacrifice her daughter for the sake of the Lord, then it is very difficult to assess the depth of her fall into fanaticism.
It feels like she just threw a bolt on trying to bring her to her faith, being the head of the flock.
And the screenwriters scored a bolt on revealing the cause of death of E Jr. (I feel they won't tell anything more about it)
And I wonder if this is the billionaire's daughter?!
With the help of technology, they stupidly ignored the fact that there was a spy among them.
I will understand if this is explained by the fact that the Shan Ti turned away from their cult after the fairy tale, but so far it looks strange.
Well, the operatives behaved very stupidly, well, special services cannot be so stupid as to just burn down their agent to everyone. They just came and publicly began to take her away, take her out and cover her up.
And it is not for me, as a supporter of the Chinese series strictly according to the first book, to give recommendations on the Netflix that I did not like. So watch the whole thing, for that matter😅
Chinese is also good, it looks measured and almost meditative. But his problem is that the book can be read faster than the 30 hours that the season is running 😅
😅 he could also record at his contactee station how THE BUGS ARE CALLING NOT TO PICK UP THE PHONE "
but yes, he was an outcast. This is a short episode in the book, not a spoiler.
Perhaps you can even draw a parallel with Ye Wenjie, she was also not essentially integrated into society and therefore took such a step.
A couple of days have passed, and it seems to have dawned on me)
It presents the idea that aliens want to move to Earth in order to survive, because their home is too unstable. I.e., this is the standard behavior of animals on Earth too - to take over someone else's territory for the sake of survival. This means that the evolutionary processes of aliens went about the same way - some species seized the territories of others and either absorbed them or assimilated them.
But if they had such a form of evolution, then lies must inevitably be present in their lives. After all, if a species can be eaten/captured, then it should be able to avoid such a fate. A huge number of living beings are literally engaged in lying when they mimic more dangerous forms of life or, conversely, hide from victims, pretending to be something harmless.
Besides, lying is the basis of the game. Cubs and their parents pretend to attack each other, etc. in order to simulate the behavior of adult individuals in a safe environment - hunting and fighting. There is even a species of bird in which some males pretend to be females in order to distract other males and mate with real females themselves. Even the presence of another species is not necessary here - animals lie inside their species for the sake of procreation.
Therefore, I cannot imagine exactly how an evolutionarily advanced civilization arose without any lies.
Not to mention the fact that it would be difficult to develop without the lies of civilization - no creativity, no games, no entertainment... No fantasy? Is it possible to make scientific discoveries or develop new technologies if you do not imagine the possibility of something that the eye does not see, or that contradicts previous experience?
>Cubs and their parents
San ti (Trisolarians) do not have children in the usual sense: when two individuals merge, they are divided into several new young ones who inherit part of their parents' memories. Therefore, they are born with a more or less adult consciousness and, in fact, they do not have a childhood.
Not to mention that it would be difficult to develop without the lies of civilization - no creativity, no games, no entertainment... No fantasy?
You're right! San ti describes a totalitarian society, which developed under such conditions for a very long time and with great difficulty. That is why, in fact, they are afraid of Earthlings, because in a very short period of time (by universal standards) we have developed to the current level of science.
*NEXT, THE SPOILER IS MORE SIGNIFICANT*
After exploring the Land, the San ti adopt a lot for themselves, including changing the structure of society towards greater freedoms. Further along the plot, science on Trisolaris is developing very rapidly: the book suggests that perhaps this is precisely because of a freer society.
But it still does not give an idea of exactly how, without any lies, they basically appeared and developed, and not only personally, but also all life on their planet. In terrestrial nature, there are also many species of animals that reproduce differently from us - by division, self-fertilization, etc., and many of them have mimicry, which is essentially a basic deception necessary for survival.
I think it would be more plausible if these aliens did not think in a way similar to us - they could not talk and make conscious decisions to capture anyone, and would have a completely alien consciousness for us, as, for example, in Watts' False Blindness. Then the inability to understand the concept of deception would seem more logical. And so it's a bit like a magic assumption, precisely in order to draw an analogy with a totalitarian dystopia, without a real scientific justification.
The main question is how, in principle, can wars and seizures of foreign territories be organized without intrigues and hidden trumps? If both conflicting parties know in advance about all tactics and possible solutions, and everything is as transparent as possible, then there is no point in a war at all, there is always an automatic winner...
Or don't you realize how funny you look? This is fiction and some author sets the basic conditions for something fictional, such as 100% honesty and rehydration. That last one doesn't raise any questions for you, does it? And if they have penises instead of legs and look like arachnids?
And oh my God, how vulnerable we are! he immediately sent me to ignore... well, go and drink latte with soy milk and cinnamon and be sure to stick out your little finger, maybe you will feel your exclusivity! Where do you come from?
I would not combine the concept of conscious deception and the desire for survival so closely. All living things strive to remain so.
And the survival mechanism of trisolarians is based on dehydration, which was shown in the game.
The scene with the girl who escaped with a bullet in her legs reminded me of the old fandom GP meme " Snape crawled away"....Where were the brave special forces looking? They literally crawled away from them....😏🤦🏼♀️