Well, who wrote that Ulrich would "go"? I suspected that he would try to change something, but I thought 86 would be the year, and here 53, and kill a little boy.. Tin, of course ( He seems to work for the police, but he's so stupid, the slightest thing can change so many things, and he arranged a lot of everything.
@Darula: Helge just grew up like this because of that meeting with Ulrich in childhood, and the watchmaker made this car also because of meeting with him. That's who started all the fuss! and then around the circle...🤯
@Patron_of_Nagini: Well, the concept of determinism assumes that everything is predetermined in advance! And no matter what actions a person commits, believing that he has free will and can change the course of events, this has already been taken into account and predetermined) And whether it's true or not, we'll never know!
@kobiii: Well, he did it for his own brother Mads and son Mikkel, first of all. Plus, I thought that if he killed, then yes, he would change the whole course and there would be no more murdered children...(((But that certainly doesn't justify his actions.
Let's just say that within the framework of the program "we will twist everything so that you will be stunned" so far everything is expected. In a good way. I really hope that the series will not be spoiled by the tactics of "the future can be changed" and all sorts of alternative realities.
I'm really disappointed that there are only 2 episodes left.
and in the scene when the little one got up and stood in front of his mother, he thought that she would have to pull his ear =) by the way, I feel so sorry for him, a loner, doesn't touch anyone like, but they took away his finances and also pissed on him : with
The young scientist looks just like Ben from Lost :z
and so everything is cool, already breaks another series to look at, but you have to sleep =\\
@FRFD: I had the same thing yesterday. :D (With series) But I hadn't thought about Ben... He didn't remind me. Ooo Now I will look at him and remember your words. Damn)))
@Darula: I think it's from there, and it's most likely Jonas... When they were shown next to each other, they were very similar. And, taking into account the fact that actors in different time epochs are selected really very similar - the thought crept in that Jonas 2052 helps himself in the 2019 version
@TinARu: No, Jonas's are blue, and the traveler's are light brown or something. Maybe in the future he mutated due to radiation, so his eyes changed color))
@astx: Initially, we were shown 3 times that were opened from 1986, but we already see 2 time machines in the hands of a watchmaker. So maybe the second one will be repaired and used for another fork from 2019.
@Darula: that traveler, if my memory serves me correctly, said. Which of the 86 came. There are three currents of time, 86, as I understand it, is the present, 2019 is the future, and 53 is the past. I'm not sure yet that I can move on. And they don't look much alike with Jonas either. The type is yes, but the color of the hair, eyes and skin are different.
@Patron_of_Nagini: e, the traveler came to the watchmaker at 86. In the series, we were shown a younger watchmaker out of 53, respectively, the next step is 86. And the traveler is probably from 2019.
Their meeting takes place at 86, which means that for the watchmaker and 19, this is the future. So far, I don't see a hint of another time. We talked about the past, present and future, so here the sclera of all the present is 86th
But he said that he knows what will happen in the future, and he will change it. He's probably from the future. Plus, it looks kind of post-apocalyptic, which hints that an explosion at the station will lead to tragedy.
The past, present, and future simultaneously affect the past, present, and future. Therefore, I don't think there will be any global solution and everything will fall into place.
@id91351509: The boys weren't going to kill him, he was just used to being beaten up and left alone. And the guy attacked with the obvious intention to kill, adrenaline, etc., the instinct of self-preservation worked.
Another time period and another bunch of heroes. As soon as my head stopped chattering... Ulrich destroyed my theory about the 33-year-forward/33-backward fork by switching to 66 years at once. At first I didn't understand how, but then the scientist explained everything using a three-dimensional wormhole: the future (2019), the past (1953) and the present (1986). Well, at least there won't be any characters from 1920 :)
@Maximgrechany: Is this such a subtle spoiler from someone who has seen the second season? I decided not to watch the second season, wait until the final third one is released and watch all three at once. A year has passed and I'm generally lost in the plot and characters.
The scheme found in the open spaces helped not to get entangled in family ties to the end (http://nesneg.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/dark-who-is-who.jpg ). While watching the episodes, I hung in the browser, periodically peeking, especially when the third circle of new/old faces from 1953 appeared. (:
it became a little funny when Ulrich communicated with Igon in 1953, considering that the second one would be arrested 33 years later on suspicion of raping the young first oh, this time traveling
@Shtrigga: This is also the influence of the future on the past. Ulrich Sr. left a bad impression on Igon Jr. (Helge was later pinned on him for any reason), then Igon Sr. sees Ulrich Jr., cannot rationalize everything, but already feels antipathy towards him ("What a disgusting face...") Plus, the teenager Ulrich behaves completely not like a scarlet flower. As a result, Igon doesn't like Ulrich, because of Ulrich, who doesn't like Igon because of himself.
@holy__deer: So he didn't kill him, hello. And I would also write what I would "never have thought" that people are capable of, but the commentators here are already tearing up, so they'll go off the rails.
P.S. If there is an opportunity to eliminate one psychopath, thus preventing the deaths of millions, there is nothing to think about. And because *none* of you could decide on it, all this is happening.
@Nocturne: He didn't kill, but he thought he did. And we don't know that it's Helge's fault. Ulrich is a bad cop, he didn't figure out what was going on, he started hitting the kid, because the old version of this kid is in a mental hospital, repeating "I'll change, I can change everything," and plus he was spotted in the woods when the boy disappeared. Ulrich decided that Helge was to blame for everything only because of these two stupid facts. Although the police have already kind of heard the news about the strange guy in Noah's hat. But Ulrich decided to kill the child, the hero saved everyone.
Slightly updated the picture with connections, adding 53 years - https://yadi.sk/i/gQoPOixK3UCKqN Above, in fact, the same thing was thrown off, but since I started drawing all this, it's a shame to throw it. Maybe it will be more convenient for someone.
@dalisha: Yes, I saw it. But I started making a picture by the fifth episode, there was no such link. Now it's just a shame to quit, I want to finish the job)
Wow, how everything has been turned around, and most importantly, they are slowly starting to unwind, which is very pleasant and interesting) It 's not for nothing that I forced myself to watch more in the beginning 😂 The series is straight fire 🔥 So this wormhole in the caves is the result of an explosion at that very nuclear power plant? I just didn't get it, when is this explosion? Logically, in the very future where the "adult" Jonas came from. So he's under 50 there?.. And they'll show us a post-apocalyptic future in season 2, wow!
@Yoruichi: in theory, the explosion should have been in 1986, because the wormhole leads to plus or minus 33 years from 1986. then it should be Chernobyl. but if Chernobyl is in mind, what does a town in Germany have to do with it?
@pon4ic: as I understand it, not quite an explosion, just some kind of outburst, a burst of energy, and shortly before the events of 1986, a couple of weeks before the traveler talks with the watchmaker. About six months have passed since Chernobyl.
@WildBubbles: really? I was just standing there thinking for so long that I managed to remember where Jonos went and guess that the left corridor leads accordingly to 1953 🤣
That's how I knew there would be a mobile phone in the forgotten jacket. Well, where without it (so that the technology of the future gets into the past)
of course, they stirred up the horror. I spent the whole episode just wondering who was who.... these time travels are especially confusing, plus names are difficult to remember (not particularly familiar to us) . but I kind of figured out who was where, and then bang, they went even further into the past...
many complained that they forced themselves to watch the first 3-5 episodes, and then got involved. For me, on the contrary: I watched the first series excitedly, and now there is no longer such intrigue and a feeling of a taut string. Perhaps this is because of the movements already in 1953, it is very difficult to navigate the characters.
Comrades! The watchmaker was 30 years old in 1953. When a traveler speaks to him, he is clearly 69 years old, not 90, that is, it is 1986. The traveler is from 2019, and the explosion was then, that is, a couple of days after the rest of the story.
The moment with the smartphone in Ulrich's jacket was reminiscent of the plot of one series of Misfits, where the phone, which also got into the past, changed the whole course of the Second World War.
@Loch_Ness: Because I haven't started yet. The usual moral question in the style of "should I put down a cute dog that has just learned to walk because it will bite my neighbor in the future?" Purely theoretically, of course :)
@Loch_Ness: After all, no one is born a villain in the first place, but I'm sure the boy can't even imagine that he will kill someone in the future. And in this timeline, he hasn't become a murderer yet.
Maybe he will become a murderer precisely because he became a psycho because of the injuries inflicted by Ulrich? No one becomes a murderer for no reason.
@Loch_Ness: That's not the main thing here, I'm saying that it's a difficult move from a purely moral point of view. This topic has already been discussed nine thousand times in all books \ TV series\ movies\anime\ fucking stories of married people in kitchens \ other media.
@Simferia: If in the future some truck doesn't want to mess around for one reason or another, then try it here. https://www.tunefind.com/show/dark search for what you need. Not always and not everything is there, but sometimes it helps in critical moments =p
@FRFD: You ignore a person like crazy, by God. Ulrich was mistaken only in the fact that he had no proof. THAT's ALL. In fact, he acted only based on his assumptions. THIS should be condemned, and not to spread snot out of the blue and "suck" the whole nothing. "Well, you haven't killed anyone yet!", "that's when they kill you, then come" - heh, however, nothing else was expected from you.
@Nocturne: What is it about, Father, who are the fuckers? I didn't dislike her in the eighteenth year, nor in the twenty-third. And in general, after five years, I can't even really understand what is being discussed here))) I don't quite understand why you're writing back to me. I didn't seem to write anything like that :
@FRFD: It's your answers that follow all the comments, and I wrote to you. It's clear that you're not the only one who hinted at all this.(although there are some here on the website... Really, Hisune is "so smart"?), but I wasn't just talking about you.
I've already said everything I wanted to say in these two comments (of course, not in this one), I don't see the point in chewing anything else out there. Ulrich's motives cannot be condemned in any way. And pregnant kitties should have noticed that the policeman's "dilemma" was also present (and not just them, such white and fluffy ones), that's why he spent so long talking and that's why he didn't finish off for sure (it's clear he was in a state of passion in such a situation, but people here are sitting on two chairs, managing to reproach him, saying, "I didn't check my pulse, what kind of cop are you?").
Well, if you didn't miss it, then I'm sorry - you're *the most obvious culprit* here :]] (how ironic it turned out XD couldn't have come up with it on purpose). Well, then you can see for yourself what happens to the "main suspects" XD
P.S. That's how I understand the kid's answer, "I just like seeing them dead))00)0) "they stupidly ignored everything. If he hadn't blurted out this shit, maybe he would have stayed alive (in the normal sense of the word). So there's nothing to roll a barrel on just one cop.
@Nocturne: Understood, accepted Since the topic, as well as the dispute on this topic (whatever it may be), is no longer of interest to me, then we will not argue :) I just saw something about cons in the middle of the night and was surprised at what questions I had because I superficially scrolled through a couple of comments and I see that there are no cons from me. It was . Even more than that, I liked some of Madame Loch_Ness's comments, apparently they managed to tell her before me back in the eighteenth year. And I, apparently, answered her something and liked it so that her comment would not drown in the cons. Well, rather, he was drowning a little less. In general, it doesn't matter anymore))))
Perhaps Helge also became a murderer because, as a child, some psychotic uncle knocked off half of his face with a rock. If so, then Ulrich only contributed to the murder of his brother, and not the other way around. Everything is happening as it should!
If we have only three dates 53-96-19 and the future affects the past in the same way as the past affects the future, then there is basically no present. Recently, in the same Avengers, the topic was raised that the past cannot be changed, etc. — I am glad that everything has been well explained here.
About the future, I doubt they will show 2052, because there were only three passages in that cave (including the entrance) — that's a symbol. So in 2019, some kind of kick-ass will happen, and the dude in the hood grew out of 1986, or is it Jonas, the devil will understand for now.
Actually, I thought that the deaths of the boys served as a time travel for the killer/themselves, but if we have a time machine and a nuclear power plant, then it turns out it's just the tricks of a maniac. But what kind of philosophy he has on this topic is already interesting.
It was only after the second viewing that I realized that in the previous episode of Helge-2019, I recognized Ulrich in a nursing home, remembered how he attacked him 66 years ago, and that's why I started to worry so much. And the words "I can change the past, I can change the future" that he says are just a repetition of what Ulrich said before attacking little Helge.
Just an amazing series! I really like how wildly everything is spinning! The amazing imagination of the authors of the series and the embodiment of the height! The soundtrack is beyond praise!
You're starting to feel like the past/future/present can't be changed. Maloy is probably alive, moreover, it was Ulrich who broke this boy in a sense, and Noah in his eyes will be the savior. There are 2 episodes left, will they really answer all the questions of the season?
Here's just a couple of episodes of how something became more or less clear and it became interesting, and thank the gods for the comments on maishou, it helps a lot to figure it out further)) that's the power of the collective mind)
If nothing can be changed, it's unclear why Jonas' father hanged himself. What was it for? Also, the arch with children is still unclear. I don't know, maybe this is a way for Noah to stay young forever at any time. Although he doesn't seem so young in 2019, his hands... the motz is breaking))
The only thing I can't understand is HOW IT WAS POSSIBLE TO SURVIVE AFTER SUCH BLOWS. The scar on your ear? what? It seems to me that the timeline saves itself somehow, because the alternative is the terminator brat.
Why did everyone think Helge was killing children? Corpses may have been moved, but the murder is not shown. Maybe Noah killed children? In fact, we have 3 corpses, Nielsen in 86, the Redhead and the mute disappeared in 2019, possibly killed in 1986 (judging by the surroundings of the room and transferred to 53). But Helge has an old man lying in a mental hospital in 2019. I'm confused about something. The brain is broken.
@AsyaKatatonia: He didn't kill anyone, but Noah manipulates him, and Helge helps him capture the children and then dispose of the bodies. And there are some people here who just watch the series not with their eyes, but with their f*** ing eyes, so they write all sorts of nonsense.
It's very interesting, of course, the theme is wonderful, the setting is wonderful. But how many more times will the series repeat "Everything is connected, the past affects the future, the future affects the past, everything is connected, everything is connected, everything is connected"? In my opinion, this is already clear from the context. For another eight episodes, I got tired of the moments when Ulrich screams at people. So the situation with Helge was not emotionally surprising. And it all fits into the plot, everything is natural, but there is something wrong with the characters. They are not flat, they are not of the same type, they have their own lives, and yet it rarely feels like the scriptwriters prescribed storylines for them with the thought: "So let's devote these five minutes to the character1, he/she is just amazing, we are so interested to see their interaction with the character2, and this dynamic with the character3, they they were created in order to conflict or, say, support each other." Plot-driven, of course, but there are a lot of heroes.
Ulrich has completely gone. It reminded me a lot of Staying Alive, where Said tried to kill Ben in the past, too, and ended up making him what he was supposed to be.
Wow, so many characters) The coolest thing about this series is that there are a bunch of lines that are woven together and form a very beautiful network. Of course, some twists are guessed, but every detail is spelled out and it's amazing!) It's very reminiscent of Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency, Very Strange Cases and some kind of horror movie. At first, everything seems unknown and scary, and then you fall in love with the atmosphere of science fiction and look for clues))
At the end of the episode, when the traveler turns around before leaving, he looks incredibly similar to Jonas, even the look is the same. I liked how this series raised the main questions related to time travel, to which there are no answers yet. I didn't expect Ulrich, although I don't like Helge in any of the time periods.
Хельге жалко(((Чет с детства у него не задалось .И я чет очень сомневаюсь что он убивал детей скорее всего он прибирал за пастырем который манипулировал им вопрос только или он его боится или еще как то
Господи, после завершения сериала пересматривать просто огонь, в первый раз мне не очень было интересно, но сейчас я просто подпрыгиваю от осознания всего.
Ко мне только сейчас дошло, что отец Йоноса (Михаэль) был в настоящем времени вместе с Миккэлем. И за год до того как Миккэль попал в прошлое, отец Йоноса повесился. И я не очень понимаю эту параллель между ними, ведь письмо Михаэль отправил Инес ( женщине, которая работала в 1986 медсестрой) - кто она ему? Почему он не отправил письма своим родителям? Представляю как они аху#%т, когда узнают, что Миккэль - их сын и есть отец Йоноса (Михаэль).
Мне интересно как вы смотрите сериал? 1) он повесился не за год, а за два-три месяца до событий сериала. Потому что Йонас после смерти отца был на терапии пару месяцев, а события сериала (исчезновение Миккеля) происходят в ноябре. 2) Медсестра стала приемной матерью Миккеля/Михаэля. 3) А не пошел он к своим родителям, потому что он жил с ними в одно время, пока те были подростками. Как вы себе представляете однажды ваш взрослый 40-летний сосед, которого вы знаете практически всю жизнь, приходит к вам и говорит, что он ваш сын? 4) Михаэль прекрасно понимал, что он не может поменять эти события. Возможно поэтому он и повесился. Это должно было случиться.
Кто-нибудь, объясните, пожалуйста, каким образом Ульрих попал в 53-й, а не в 86-й? Разве эта развилка не отправляет на 33 года либо назад, либо вперёд? Ульрих залез в неё в 19-м, тогда почему он оказался аж на два шага в прошлом?
@marinadepeche: скорее всего дело в том, что НАСТОЯЩЕЕ время в сериале - это 86й год, и именно от этого года считать +33/-33 года. И если в этом случае смотреть с конца тоннеля '86 влево-вправо, получается: 1953(прошлое -33) - 1986(настоящее время) - 2019 (будущее +33)
Получается в 1953 Игон/Эгон расследует исчезновение Хельге Допплера, а в 1986 он же подозревал его же и вызывал на допрос. Значит Хельге в 53 найдётся. Хотя это понятно и из того, что он в 86 повзрослел.
@Florance: А что если в 53м году Ной(!) найдет Хельге в бункере и как-то переманит на свою сторону?! Т.к в 86м когда Эгон вызывает Хельге на допрос по поводу исчезновения нового малого, Хельге сливается и не приходит (а в блокноте Эгона остается запись с подозрениями). И в итоге получается, что Хельге будет помощником Ноя во всех временных рамках?
Тут очень много раз повторяется теория, что Незнакомец это Йонас из будущего. Я сначала тоже так думала. Но что-то не сходится. Он Йоносу говорил, что знал его отца и тот спас ему жизнь. Имелось ли ввиду, что Миккель, оставшись в 86 году спас Йоносу жизнь - подарив ее ему?
Забавно получается, что Ульрих отправившись в 1953 год и попытавшись убить Йегеля по сути запустил ход событий. Причинный детерминизм, как говорится. Пытаясь убить Йегеля он оставил на его лице шрамы, которые у него в будущем. Плюс его встреча с часовщиком видимо побудила того начать изучать пространственно-временной континуум.
@LiliyaLeto: What kind of yegel is that?! How could Helge turn into yegel?! Is this a stupid translation from German to English and then into Russian?🤡
Damn, I just started to understand something, and I stopped getting confused in the characters!!! With a new timeline, you need to get used to it again. In general, I watch this series very carefully, I just need to strain myself not to miss anything) The first series, as we wrote above, were hard. Then I got involved, and I didn't regret it. It's been a long time since I've seen such a famously twisted plot. Or maybe Claudia is the one who torments children with music from the 80s?
I also want to add that it is a special pleasure for me to come here and read the comments. There are so many interesting assumptions, people also notice something that I didn't notice, or remind me of what happened in previous episodes. And to those who make pictures with heroes, special thanks. It's very difficult to remember everyone. And even unusual names are more difficult to remember. Thank you!)
@Chantant: Yes, yes, without comments, it would be like watching the series would not be like that... full-fledged, or something :) I generally notice for myself that for how many years now, right after watching the series, I want to either share my impressions or read other opinions, and not just silently switch to the next series and that's it :) Maishous van lov =*
@Chantant: Прям однозначно )) Я всем своим знакомым когда советую посмотреть этот сериал , то в полу-шутку им предлагаю сразу же до просмотра первой серии соорудить себе доску с нитками и фотками персонажей, что бы отслеживать кто есть кто и откуда и зачем и почему и всё прочее :))
@Chantant: Можно по официальному сайту (https://dark.netflix.io/en) всё упорядочивать. Там можно указать, до какой серии посмотрел и вкратце освежить суть каждого персонажа.
Я вообще не понимаю, как бы я хоть что-то разобрала в этом сериале, если бы не комментарии 😅 ну разобрала бы все же что-то, но явно половину не допедрила бы 😅
Вот чего не понимаю: постоянно в «прошлом» показывают, как один ребёнок влюбляется в другого; а уже взрослые они женаты на других а друг с другом - любовники. Сначала Ханна с Ульрихом, теперь отец Ульриха с матерью Регины (много имён, я не всех запомнила)
Например, если Ханна была помешена на Ульрихе всю жизнь, что и в детстве ему жизнь испортила, и в настоящем.. как я могу верить, что она могла любить Микеля, вышла за него, вот это все... ну то есть, в жизни это реально. Но в тут сериал смотрю про персонажей, это ужасно портит атмосферу и искренность! 😶😶😶
Не зря часовщик сказал, что мы ошибочно полагаем, что вернувшись в прошлое - исправим будущее, но в реальности, вернувшись в прошлое, мы только направим все в то русло, которое потом пребудет к нашим берегам. Ульрих только совершил те действия, которые в последствии ему же в будущем и придется расхлебывать. Серия крутая, наконец становится понятнее. И если я все правильно поняла, то в предыдущих сериях Хельге хотел остановить именно Ульриха, потому что он знал какая хронология последует
очень странное совпадение расположения тел мертвых детей под плакатом «Разумная инвестиция». Мэйби этот Ноа рассматривает опыты на детях как инвестицию во что-то (но во что?)… сейчас хотя бы немного другие вещи прояснились. Но священник мутный
А вот от Ульриха было как-то ожидаемо скорее, потому что он больше опирается на эмоции, чем на разум (потому что зацепок у него достаточного, чтобы обсудить хотя бы с напарницей). У его внука в желтом капюшоном как-то даже когнитивные функции быстрее работают
Не знаю, что там накрутят дальше, но пока что все сводится к неотвратимости временной линии, будущее влияет на прошлое и т.д. Ульрих лупит Хельге камнем по лицу, думая, что меняет будущее, но приводит его именно к тому виду, в котором Хельге будет в 1986. Йонас тот вообще пикнуть не может в 1986, чтобы не стереть себя. Получается, все предопределено? И кстати, если Хельге из ОЧЕНЬ богатой семьи (судя по размеру особняка), почему он работает простым охранником на АЭС?
Пещера скоро станет как проходной двор. А герои со своим желанием "всё исправить", делают только хуже. Сцена Ульриха и Хельге максимально жестокая, и раз Хельге есть во взрослом возрасте со шрамами, никакого смысла не имеет, просто сломал ребенку жизнь со своими поспешными выводами.
Извиняюсь на счёт ошибочного мнения о том, что дети из нашего времени не могли оказаться в прошлом, теперь вопрос только в том, когда полиция поднимет дела. Теперь ясно, что червоточина появилась в 1986, но вопрос, сквозь время можно проходить только раз в 33 года или в любое время? Какие то здесь несостыковки в том, как выглядят персонажи. Клаудия в 1986 выглядит уже как бабулька, хотя ей меньше 50. Тронте же довольно таки молод по сравнению с ней. Ульрих реально на маньяка похож.
Пещера вроде отправляет всех на 33 года. А Ульриха отправила на все 66 назад....И как это понимать? А потом эта пещера отправит кого-то в будущее? Чет очень заморочено все. Не понятно по какой логике куда когда и кого она отправляет. И если пещера сама решает как отправить и фактор людей исключен, следовательно люди якобы не влияют ни на что, то вот уже наличие устройства по перемещению во времени дает мысли что все-таки в этом сериале они сами бесконечно влияют на судьбы друг друга, что в итоге приведет к тому что не будет понятно кто когда и кого. Вырисовывается бесконечное безумие. А виной всему АЭС и люди которые создали устройство и антихрист-священник который создавал черные дыры для перемещений...... Как я понимаю до создания всех этих временных каруселей они жили в привычном линейном времени без вмешательства во время человеческого разрушающего фактора
@NtAFilms: What's not clear here? There are three exits from the inside. 2019, then clockwise - 1953, and then clockwise - 1986. Wherever you climb, you will get there
But for me, family ties and time loops do not cause any questions. One thing is unclear is why the boys' bodies are not disposed of, but thrown away at another time so that they can be found later. What is the mystery here and why is this being done?.. I'm going through different options in my head: they want to show someone something, the handwriting of a psychotic maniac, the time machine doesn't work without the boy's corpse, someone has to find the body to react and trigger the events that should happen...
It's not a series, but a whole puzzle. I'm not trying to figure it out anymore, I'm just watching and enjoying the adventures and intrigues, as well as all the chaos that happens. To be honest, I'm already confused about the years, the story, and the characters, but the series is interesting and cool.
My brain is on error. This is an endless puzzle🧩 Every time I hear the number 33, I feel uneasy. After all, I turned the same age this year.🤫 It was very creepy to see Ulrich kill a child.… It seemed to him that he could change something, but everything had already happened. Maybe I'm deeply mistaken in my guesses.
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238He seems to work for the police, but he's so stupid, the slightest thing can change so many things, and he arranged a lot of everything.
And whether it's true or not, we'll never know!
I'm really disappointed that there are only 2 episodes left.
by the way, I feel so sorry for him, a loner, doesn't touch anyone like, but they took away his finances and also pissed on him : with
The young scientist looks just like Ben from Lost :z
and so everything is cool, already breaks another series to look at, but you have to sleep =\\
Now I will look at him and remember your words. Damn)))
When they were shown next to each other, they were very similar.
And, taking into account the fact that actors in different time epochs are selected really very similar - the thought crept in that Jonas 2052 helps himself in the 2019 version
Maybe in the future he mutated due to radiation, so his eyes changed color))
And they don't look much alike with Jonas either. The type is yes, but the color of the hair, eyes and skin are different.
Julia, they had this symbol on their book.
Well, I almost lost it...
Ulrich destroyed my theory about the 33-year-forward/33-backward fork by switching to 66 years at once. At first I didn't understand how, but then the scientist explained everything using a three-dimensional wormhole: the future (2019), the past (1953) and the present (1986). Well, at least there won't be any characters from 1920 :)
I decided not to watch the second season, wait until the final third one is released and watch all three at once. A year has passed and I'm generally lost in the plot and characters.
While watching the episodes, I hung in the browser, periodically peeking, especially when the third circle of new/old faces from 1953 appeared. (:
oh, this time traveling
Plus, the teenager Ulrich behaves completely not like a scarlet flower. As a result, Igon doesn't like Ulrich, because of Ulrich, who doesn't like Igon because of himself.
And I would also write what I would "never have thought" that people are capable of, but the commentators here are already tearing up, so they'll go off the rails.
P.S. If there is an opportunity to eliminate one psychopath, thus preventing the deaths of millions, there is nothing to think about. And because *none* of you could decide on it, all this is happening.
And we don't know that it's Helge's fault. Ulrich is a bad cop, he didn't figure out what was going on, he started hitting the kid, because the old version of this kid is in a mental hospital, repeating "I'll change, I can change everything," and plus he was spotted in the woods when the boy disappeared.
Ulrich decided that Helge was to blame for everything only because of these two stupid facts. Although the police have already kind of heard the news about the strange guy in Noah's hat. But Ulrich decided to kill the child, the hero saved everyone.
Read the last line. _ is still relevant_.
Above, in fact, the same thing was thrown off, but since I started drawing all this, it's a shame to throw it. Maybe it will be more convenient for someone.
So this wormhole in the caves is the result of an explosion at that very nuclear power plant? I just didn't get it, when is this explosion? Logically, in the very future where the "adult" Jonas came from. So he's under 50 there?.. And they'll show us a post-apocalyptic future in season 2, wow!
Perhaps this is because of the movements already in 1953, it is very difficult to navigate the characters.
And Ulrich just intercepted him.
It is quite logical that he started hitting with it.
No one becomes a murderer for no reason.
P.s. since the 4th time, the Stomper - Wishing Well infection has been infected
And in general, after five years, I can't even really understand what is being discussed here))) I don't quite understand why you're writing back to me. I didn't seem to write anything like that :
I've already said everything I wanted to say in these two comments (of course, not in this one), I don't see the point in chewing anything else out there. Ulrich's motives cannot be condemned in any way. And pregnant kitties should have noticed that the policeman's "dilemma" was also present (and not just them, such white and fluffy ones), that's why he spent so long talking and that's why he didn't finish off for sure (it's clear he was in a state of passion in such a situation, but people here are sitting on two chairs, managing to reproach him, saying, "I didn't check my pulse, what kind of cop are you?").
Well, if you didn't miss it, then I'm sorry - you're *the most obvious culprit* here :]] (how ironic it turned out XD couldn't have come up with it on purpose). Well, then you can see for yourself what happens to the "main suspects" XD
P.S. That's how I understand the kid's answer, "I just like seeing them dead))00)0) "they stupidly ignored everything. If he hadn't blurted out this shit, maybe he would have stayed alive (in the normal sense of the word). So there's nothing to roll a barrel on just one cop.
Since the topic, as well as the dispute on this topic (whatever it may be), is no longer of interest to me, then we will not argue :)
I just saw something about cons in the middle of the night and was surprised at what questions I had because I superficially scrolled through a couple of comments and I see that there are no cons from me. It was . Even more than that, I liked some of Madame Loch_Ness's comments, apparently they managed to tell her before me back in the eighteenth year. And I, apparently, answered her something and liked it so that her comment would not drown in the cons. Well, rather, he was drowning a little less. In general, it doesn't matter anymore))))
About the future, I doubt they will show 2052, because there were only three passages in that cave (including the entrance) — that's a symbol. So in 2019, some kind of kick-ass will happen, and the dude in the hood grew out of 1986, or is it Jonas, the devil will understand for now.
Actually, I thought that the deaths of the boys served as a time travel for the killer/themselves, but if we have a time machine and a nuclear power plant, then it turns out it's just the tricks of a maniac. But what kind of philosophy he has on this topic is already interesting.
There are 2 episodes left, will they really answer all the questions of the season?
Also, the arch with children is still unclear. I don't know, maybe this is a way for Noah to stay young forever at any time. Although he doesn't seem so young in 2019, his hands... the motz is breaking))
For another eight episodes, I got tired of the moments when Ulrich screams at people. So the situation with Helge was not emotionally surprising. And it all fits into the plot, everything is natural, but there is something wrong with the characters. They are not flat, they are not of the same type, they have their own lives, and yet it rarely feels like the scriptwriters prescribed storylines for them with the thought: "So let's devote these five minutes to the character1, he/she is just amazing, we are so interested to see their interaction with the character2, and this dynamic with the character3, they they were created in order to conflict or, say, support each other." Plot-driven, of course, but there are a lot of heroes.
And how excitingly scary it is that you can't beat the time loop even if you think you can.
It's very reminiscent of Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency, Very Strange Cases and some kind of horror movie. At first, everything seems unknown and scary, and then you fall in love with the atmosphere of science fiction and look for clues))
I liked how this series raised the main questions related to time travel, to which there are no answers yet.
I didn't expect Ulrich, although I don't like Helge in any of the time periods.
И это просто АААААААААА
1) он повесился не за год, а за два-три месяца до событий сериала. Потому что Йонас после смерти отца был на терапии пару месяцев, а события сериала (исчезновение Миккеля) происходят в ноябре.
2) Медсестра стала приемной матерью Миккеля/Михаэля.
3) А не пошел он к своим родителям, потому что он жил с ними в одно время, пока те были подростками. Как вы себе представляете однажды ваш взрослый 40-летний сосед, которого вы знаете практически всю жизнь, приходит к вам и говорит, что он ваш сын?
4) Михаэль прекрасно понимал, что он не может поменять эти события. Возможно поэтому он и повесился. Это должно было случиться.
Он Йоносу говорил, что знал его отца и тот спас ему жизнь. Имелось ли ввиду, что Миккель, оставшись в 86 году спас Йоносу жизнь - подарив ее ему?
Пытаясь убить Йегеля он оставил на его лице шрамы, которые у него в будущем. Плюс его встреча с часовщиком видимо побудила того начать изучать пространственно-временной континуум.
Or maybe Claudia is the one who torments children with music from the 80s?
I also want to add that it is a special pleasure for me to come here and read the comments. There are so many interesting assumptions, people also notice something that I didn't notice, or remind me of what happened in previous episodes. And to those who make pictures with heroes, special thanks. It's very difficult to remember everyone. And even unusual names are more difficult to remember. Thank you!)
I generally notice for myself that for how many years now, right after watching the series, I want to either share my impressions or read other opinions, and not just silently switch to the next series and that's it :)
Maishous van lov =*
Я всем своим знакомым когда советую посмотреть этот сериал , то в полу-шутку им предлагаю сразу же до просмотра первой серии соорудить себе доску с нитками и фотками персонажей, что бы отслеживать кто есть кто и откуда и зачем и почему и всё прочее :))
Я уже тоже нашла этот сайт в комментах к предыдущим сериям. ВЕЩЬ!))
😥 как много персонажей Боже
Сначала Ханна с Ульрихом, теперь отец Ульриха с матерью Регины (много имён, я не всех запомнила)
Например, если Ханна была помешена на Ульрихе всю жизнь, что и в детстве ему жизнь испортила, и в настоящем.. как я могу верить, что она могла любить Микеля, вышла за него, вот это все...
ну то есть, в жизни это реально. Но в тут сериал смотрю про персонажей, это ужасно портит атмосферу и искренность!
😶😶😶
И если я все правильно поняла, то в предыдущих сериях Хельге хотел остановить именно Ульриха, потому что он знал какая хронология последует
А вот от Ульриха было как-то ожидаемо скорее, потому что он больше опирается на эмоции, чем на разум (потому что зацепок у него достаточного, чтобы обсудить хотя бы с напарницей). У его внука в желтом капюшоном как-то даже когнитивные функции быстрее работают
И кстати, если Хельге из ОЧЕНЬ богатой семьи (судя по размеру особняка), почему он работает простым охранником на АЭС?
А герои со своим желанием "всё исправить", делают только хуже.
Сцена Ульриха и Хельге максимально жестокая, и раз Хельге есть во взрослом возрасте со шрамами, никакого смысла не имеет, просто сломал ребенку жизнь со своими поспешными выводами.
Агнес Нильсен так просто подошла к незнакомому Ульриху с бомжеватым видом.
Теперь ясно, что червоточина появилась в 1986, но вопрос, сквозь время можно проходить только раз в 33 года или в любое время?
Какие то здесь несостыковки в том, как выглядят персонажи. Клаудия в 1986 выглядит уже как бабулька, хотя ей меньше 50. Тронте же довольно таки молод по сравнению с ней.
Ульрих реально на маньяка похож.
Я думала, у него случится приступ моральности и он решит отпустить Хельге, примерно того же возраста с его сыном ± пара лет, а он его камнем...
Every time I hear the number 33, I feel uneasy. After all, I turned the same age this year.🤫
It was very creepy to see Ulrich kill a child.… It seemed to him that he could change something, but everything had already happened. Maybe I'm deeply mistaken in my guesses.