@heydianahey: It is important to understand that, first of all, her son died. And secondly, she is convinced that it was Celeste who killed him, so she wants to take the children for herself. We can see how it really was, Mary Louise believes that she has a holy son who is not to blame for anything.
@Harley13Quinn: In the last episode, Celeste told Mary Louise that her son beat her and sometimes it leads to sex. And when Celeste hit Mary Louise, she said, "What do you call it? foreplay?". It's clear what she meant. But as they say “it takes two to tango". That is, she wanted to offend Celeste with her statement, but it turned out - both her and Perry. That is, she threw a stone into Celeste's garden, and it turned out to hurt Perry too. That's what I mean.
@heydianahey: I understand what you mean, but I don't see it)) I see Mary Louise looking at Celeste with condescension. How arrogant he is with her friends. How she tries to portray a sweet and loving grandmother in front of Jane, because there she does not have the opportunity to act by force. But I don't notice the "stone" towards Perry, to be honest)
@heydianahey: while Mary Louise was talking, I was thinking that she would arrange it so that one day she would get in the face, and then Celeste slaps her)
@illseethese: Oh my God, yes!! hahahaha I just thought that it would be so cool for her to fuck a bream at last, and she takes and beats her) one of the best moments of the season
@AlinaKipr: Mary Louise made it sound like: I'm not sure she was raped. What was he looking for? After all, once there was her, there were others. Like, no one had complained before her. That is, the mother of the deceased husband, says to his wife: a) he had others b) you didn't give him something, since he was looking for c) your girlfriend is lying that she was raped, because my Perry is a saint
after all that Celeste went through, who still did not realize what a monster her husband was, and then her mother-in-law adds... I would have punched Mary Louise too. The point here is not what Celeste thought or not, but that Mary Louise purposefully drives her, whitewashing all Perry's sins.
@AlinaKipr: Bonnie kind of says that yes, I should have told the truth. (at least that's what it seemed to me) Bonnie is hurting herself because of what happened. She had said before that she wanted to tell the truth, go to the police - so there was nothing wrong with that. Lying always leads to a lot of problems. If they told the truth, it would be an excess of self-defense, Mae bee. If they had told about the rape, about the beating, about what happened then, maybe Bonnie would not have received a long sentence. and they would all live in peace. Now, if they get to the bottom of it - and everyone is digging, who is not lazy - they will all be in prison.
Apparently, they actually discussed this topic without Madeleine and came to the conclusion that they should have confessed initially (Bonnie said in another episode that she regretted not telling the truth)
@AlinaKipr: Season 1, episode 7 from 48 minutes, the interrogation of Celeste. I'm not sure if it's a policeman. And this is not a murder, but an accident in self-defense. Until they started lying out of thin air, of course.
@AlinaKipr: She was protecting her friend from violence. Perhaps her husband would have killed her with one blow, perhaps Celeste would have been lying on the steps with a broken head, not Perry. If she had just pushed him away, and there were no steps, Perry would be alive, she did not have time to soberly assess the situation. A woman with no criminal record, the mother of a little girl, would not have been imprisoned for negligent homicide, at least they would have given a suspended sentence. Therefore, in the book, she admitted almost immediately that it was right and logical, and then she had to lie to them all so that there would be something to show next.
@Midge: Unfortunately or fortunately, lawyers do not think like ordinary people. Self-defense is not protecting a friend. The fact that he grabbed Celeste or pushed her will be taken into account as an extenuating circumstance, but it is murder if he did not touch Bonya before falling. A man has died, and someone has to answer for that. Perry's mother would have hired a lot of lawyers. to sue Bonya by pulling out all the dirty laundry that she and Celeste were doing so "foreplay", quarreling and grabbing each other, but then Bonya appears and pushes him down the stairs, killing her loving husband, father and son. I don't see any chance of a suspended sentence here.
@AlinaKipr: If you think about it that way, then it would be considered as an unintentional murder in a state of passion with extenuating circumstances, and not just as murder. They would have given me three years for such a case, but with extenuating circumstances and a state of passion, I would have gotten off with a suspended sentence. They have jury trials there, and juries could easily be convinced.
In the USA, the institute of necessary defense is very developed, from state to state. And by the way, it involves not only self-defense, but also the protection of others. So, I think if they confessed right away, they could get correctional labor (or whatever the officer with the lighter suggested, I don't know why you decided that there is no such punishment in California)
I'm really sorry for Celeste, she went through a lot both before and after Perry's death. But Mary Louise is certainly not nice to her, and to everyone in general. Madeleine is constantly rude, comes uninvited. It's not very clear what's going on with Bonnie's mom. The episodes are getting more intense, as far as I'm concerned.
It was self-defense, but they were also afraid that they would have to go to jail and disappoint their family. Mary Louis brought up a tyrant like Perry herself. I don't feel a bit sorry for him and his supposedly holy mother. This man has done a lot of harm to his family and has affected the life of a poor girl named Jane.
I'm not really sure if I like the whole "visions" line of Bonnie's mom, but it definitely adds flavor to the series. The atmosphere is becoming more and more tense, and in the second season all the characters have received a proper and, most importantly, very logical development and continuation of their stories. In anticipation of the denouement.
@LilitArutyunyan: on the contrary, I don't like the line with these visions, we started with a very vital and realistic plot, I would like to continue to see this
Bonnie feels guilty, but it just happened by accident. She just wanted to push Perry away, but he fell down the stairs. It was shown that Bonnie went to the police station and thought about confessing everything.
@Olkhovskaya: did you just want to push her away? She was running at him) he would have flown off somewhere anyway, Bonnie just hadn't calculated that there were stairs at the back.
@EllenSomeone: I was sitting and trying to see who was there in the vision at the end, along with Bonnie, and now I think she's going to get drunk, or is it just a trick that shows that Bonnie is drowning in problems, etc. That is, is it worth interpreting the vision literally?
By the way, Bonnie was shown throwing herself into the water many times, perhaps her mother "saw the future," which is quite stupid and inappropriate in this series, I think
something tells me that Mary Louise is somehow involved in Raymond's death (involved herself or covering for Perry). Perhaps that's why her husband left, and she wants to believe so much that Perry is an angel.
Well, the cards are out. Grandma wants revenge and she doesn't need love. It seems to me that she knew everything about her beloved son for a long time. Or guessed it. And maybe she thought that marriage would save her son from such behavior and mental problems? And if not, then the daughter-in-law is to blame.
I've wanted to write for a long time - different directors of the series gave the series dynamism and, as it were, a different view of the same events. In general, the second season will be better than the first. It's more interesting to watch.
@illseethese: It is very difficult for victims to get out of this hell, not everyone has enough strength, and the victim is not a fool to be offended. Read the information on abusive relationships.
@illseethese: condemning a victim is the ugliest thing... especially on behalf of a man, it sounds like an endorsement of violence. I hope your life and your loved ones will not be affected by violence.
As for me, the series is not very good. I don't like Bonnie's mom's line with her visions at all. Somehow the plot unfolds slowly, about nothing. I'm looking at inertia, maybe it will get more interesting later.
To be honest, it's incredibly tedious. Every episode they keep saying the same thing: oh, I should have told you, and Mary Louis is bad. All. And these stupid visions. Maybe they will expel the evil grandmother with the power of three?
@vbkb: It's not about pace, it's about lack of development. The same thing happens every episode. Bonnie walks around with a sad face, suffering from murder, Maddie is fighting with her husband, Renata is yelling that she will be rich, and so on. And I understand that everyone has certain plot milestones, but in general, nothing changes. The same words and actions from series to series. The same Mary Louis-it's still unclear how she raised Perry, what his brother was like-she just goes around insulting everyone. The detective just mysteriously appears in the frame. Nothing new is told about the characters, except for Bonnie's story (but it would be better if they didn't do that). I'm not talking about action, explosion and chase, but about personal development and psychology.
For three and a half episodes (before the conversation with the lawyer) I thought Grandma was a positive hero. Her actions could be understood in a human way, like a grief-stricken mother who had lost both children. At the end of the conversation with the lawyer, she looked rather sinister, and now I suspect that she herself has sadistic tendencies and was involved in the death of her first son, and now she decided to kill her grandchildren. It reminds me of that mom from "Sharp Objects," with the only exception that Mary Louis doesn't need attention.
@Fess: As I understand it, the second son died in a car accident. Mary Louise was probably driving, so her husband blamed her for everything and left the family, leaving Perry and Mary alone. I don't see anything sinister about her yet. None of them is her friend, they cover for each other. Why would she mess with them? Celeste gradually drifts away like a cuckoo, unconsciously takes pills, from which she later has amnesia and sex with bartenders. Isn't it dangerous to leave children with her?
@blackorb: I was wondering if Mary Louise Celeste was drugging these pills somehow. It is very beneficial for her, and there is an opportunity in general.
@ChumakovaJenya: So they're showing you the second season of the series, where they openly say that bad things can happen to any person and bad things happen to good people, too, and then you come and say that well, that's the way it is in the series, but in life, of course, bad things only happen to bad people, who, of course, deserved it (and also with those whose husband is an alcoholic, but here, too, it's probably her own fault why she's married to an alcoholic). Oh, this faith in a just world.
@ChumakovaJenya: Seriously, what's wrong with you messengers of justice in this sinful world? Where, in your case, did adequacy stumble and turn in the wrong direction? At what stage? Does this happen in childhood, or have you been fucked up with a shovel in your life and something has closed in your brain? Or are you just hatching like that?
People like you, Zhenya, have been putting up with alcoholic men terrorizing their families for years. Well, bad things only happen to those who deserve it. So, it's not my husband who's an asshole, but I'm so bad, I drove the man. The most dangerous thing is that you broadcast your disgusting thoughts to other people, trying to infect them with the same disease. I'm just sick of people like you. The same goes for mudae, who unsubscribed from above, just a piece of meat, thoughtless and useless.
Why should women deserve anything? and even more so the blows!!! I keep in mind that violence is criminalized in any form and, in general, violence cannot be justified! A PRIORI unacceptable if something doesn't suit your partner, you can always leave, well, or solve the problem with words, but don't beat God, what are you talking about)... if you / any other person thinks that hitting a person, even for some offensive or bad deed, then you have obvious problems, you are dangerous for Society is sad, however
Yes, as many people write, there is no crazy dynamics.... but that doesn't make each episode any less interesting and intriguing! It seems to me that by presenting the material in this way, slowly, thoughtfully, they want to show us the full picture of the problems of all the characters.: what came from where and what it led to! Mary Louise took over the whole "blanket" in this episode!) It was unbearable to see her, ... a nasty, vile aunt who sets her own rules in the life of not only Celeste, but now also in Jane's life?! That's the way to play it (Meryl Streep) to be hated on the other side of the screen! But.... the only thing Celeste herself gives a reason for such actions..... is always in some kind of OUT, we urgently need to pull ourselves together!) I really liked Renata's children's party! And what beauties they (the heroines) were... wow! And Bonnie is like that! And I got into a fight between Madeleine's husbands, it was kind of unexpected out of the blue.🤔 It seems like a passing moment,,,, but cool!
This season is a bit of a "fathers and children" thing. We are learning more and more about the families and parents of the heroines, and how childhood still affects a person.
@s4me: the door is "hung" - the door is "hung on hinges". it is implied that then Madeline is "unhinged", literally it would be "unhinged", figuratively it would be "mentally unstable"
To be honest, it feels like Mary Jane is putting something in Celeste's food. Another episode from the second one, when she didn't remember how she ended up in the car. Maybe psychotropic substances to declare her incapacitated... Then the children will be willingly given to their grandmother.
@Lerochek: But he shouldn't talk to her either. Changed, it hurts - get divorced if you can't forgive. And to go around and pull the rubber, to flaunt the offense - why is that? To prick you more painfully, but then sleep in the same bed? Really immature behavior.
@sabjulia: such comments are surprising. How exactly did he flaunt the insult? How long has it been since he found out? Do you really think that after 10 years of marriage and sincere feelings, everyone makes a decision in a second? He needed time to get used to what had happened, to understand what he wanted, whether he could continue to be with Madeline, to forgive her. Not 2 years have passed, and Madeline and the commenters directly demand an immediate response.
it seems to me that grandma, with her sermons about Perry in front of the boys, will raise something sick in them. yes, I understand that the father should not be forgotten, but from episode to episode, any conversation with the twins reduces to which one of them was good, this is not normal
@Victoria_Vi: agree. Mary Louise is somehow afraid to trust small children: if she raised Perry to be such an animal, then what will happen to the twins? They are already showing aggression.
@Victoria_Vi: let's be honest, she just lost her son. This is how loss works спочатку at first, you constantly think (accordingly -- you can talk) about the person who is no longer there, gradually less and less, with new pains and anxieties, and New topics for conversation. Over time, this will pass in her.
The whole damn show, I wanted to punch that annoying Mary-Louise. Fuck, how can you be so blind and disrespectful? I understand that he is her son and, like any mother, she is always on his side, but not to notice the violence??? not seeing the obvious?? after all, everything always goes from childhood. accordingly, Perry already had cruelty at that time, unusual for a small child. But come on, it's easier to throw mud at poor Jane and Celeste! They're so unstable, such liars, and whores in general! just god damn. He seems to be an adult, but he behaves as if he had just graduated from kindergarten yesterday.
@PCE_INOY: she may not be related to the main storyline, but it seems to me that she is needed at least just to reveal the character of Laura.) in season 1, she seems to have received less attention.
@ChumakovaJenya: At least you should read something on the subject first before writing, well. It's not like this is some kind of exclusive topic or thought. Tons of texts have been written on this issue. But no, why read something if you can just come and talk nonsense.
What a nasty granny! But Celeste is also good, drinking pills and not remembering about it is certainly too much. But that's no reason to deprive her of her children. For each of the heroines, everything falls apart, which is exactly what happens on a personal level, each loses her man. Sorry.
Adding mystique to the series is not the best idea... And I don't particularly like the fact that Madeleine and Ed's relationship has been ruined! At least in the book they had a normal relationship, without any problems... And here... 🙈 Not a single normal couple was left ...
Forgive me my French, but what a bitch Mary-Louise is. the mother of a dead son or not, but she insults everyone right and left, violates all personal boundaries, pokes her nose into other people's affairs, and now she's trying to take the children away. And I understand Jane's fear, she might really come after Ziggy. She raised one monster, now she wants two more. nightmare.
The series, of course, has lost its spirit completely. The intrigue in the first season was for an amateur, but it was. Right there ... well, apparently the confrontation of the mother-in-law and girlfriends. Hmm. I'll finish watching, of course, 3 episodes, not 3 seasons. But it's a very forced plot. The actors are playing, they're trying, but the script is mediocre.
somehow, I don't see the point in continuing Madeleine and Ed 's relationship, he will still harbor resentment against her (and she is absolutely justified), it makes sense to continue to hold on to each other, it's easier to end everything, because the relationship is strained after that, not everyone is ready to cheat, and lies are forgiven, and even if When they forgive, they usually remember it for a long time and stick it in for a long, long time.
Celeste just completely fell apart ... the psychologist is strange, incompetent, in addition to value judgment, she also gives out advice, directing to actions that psychologists should not do.
I don't understand why the detective is so caught up in this case and women? This isn't some relative of hers, but she's been running around looking for something for a year, why would she do that? what a motivation... law enforcement officers can rarely boast of such tenacity, and unreasonable at that
Oh my God, Meryl Streep is so crazy here. Straight ahead. I got super into the image and got used to it. I'm used to another vibe from this actress. And here she is so nasty, meticulous, suspicious. It's understandable, of course. The beloved, handsome son died under murky, unclear circumstances. The daughter-in-law is behaving strangely. My friends are also looking around nervously. There's something to sniff out. But how annoying she is anyway!🤪
I'm glad that Celeste has finally started to defend herself, stopped being silent, patient, or making excuses. After all, the Perry family just couldn't be normal...It's time for Mary-Louise to hear it and open her eyes. She's the bad mother, not Celeste. But how glad I am that Jane did not give in, did not feel sorry for this chicken and did not take a paternity test, because really, with such a thing, Ziggy would have been sued((
Mary-Louis clearly has problems perceiving her own son. Several different people tell her what an asshole he was, but she doesn't believe in it. Perhaps, of course, he just does not want to take into account the opinion of his daughter-in-law and her friends, purely out of principle and harmfulness, but so do not doubt for a second the infallibility of his son, well, I do not know
Discussion: Season 2, Episode 4 Join the Discussion
146We can see how it really was, Mary Louise believes that she has a holy son who is not to blame for anything.
I see Mary Louise looking at Celeste with condescension. How arrogant he is with her friends. How she tries to portray a sweet and loving grandmother in front of Jane, because there she does not have the opportunity to act by force. But I don't notice the "stone" towards Perry, to be honest)
I just thought that it would be so cool for her to fuck a bream at last, and she takes and beats her) one of the best moments of the season
Like, no one had complained before her.
That is, the mother of the deceased husband, says to his wife:
a) he had others
b) you didn't give him something, since he was looking
for c) your girlfriend is lying that she was raped, because my Perry is a saint
after all that Celeste went through, who still did not realize what a monster her husband was, and then her mother-in-law adds... I would have punched Mary Louise too. The point here is not what Celeste thought or not, but that Mary Louise purposefully drives her, whitewashing all Perry's sins.
Bonnie is hurting herself because of what happened. She had said before that she wanted to tell the truth, go to the police - so there was nothing wrong with that. Lying always leads to a lot of problems. If they told the truth, it would be an excess of self-defense, Mae bee. If they had told about the rape, about the beating, about what happened then, maybe Bonnie would not have received a long sentence. and they would all live in peace. Now, if they get to the bottom of it - and everyone is digging, who is not lazy - they will all be in prison.
It's not very clear what's going on with Bonnie's mom.
The episodes are getting more intense, as far as I'm concerned.
I've wanted to write for a long time - different directors of the series gave the series dynamism and, as it were, a different view of the same events. In general, the second season will be better than the first. It's more interesting to watch.
All.
And these stupid visions. Maybe they will expel the evil grandmother with the power of three?
But I understand that if I were Ed, I would hardly have forgiven him and just left.
I don't see anything sinister about her yet. None of them is her friend, they cover for each other. Why would she mess with them? Celeste gradually drifts away like a cuckoo, unconsciously takes pills, from which she later has amnesia and sex with bartenders. Isn't it dangerous to leave children with her?
The same goes for mudae, who unsubscribed from above, just a piece of meat, thoughtless and useless.
I keep in mind that violence is criminalized
in any form
and, in general, violence cannot be justified! A PRIORI unacceptable
if something doesn't suit your partner, you can always leave, well, or solve the problem with words, but don't beat
God, what are you talking about)...
if you / any other person thinks that hitting a person, even for some offensive or bad deed, then you have obvious problems, you are dangerous for Society
is sad, however
Mary Louise took over the whole "blanket" in this episode!) It was unbearable to see her, ... a nasty, vile aunt who sets her own rules in the life of not only Celeste, but now also in Jane's life?! That's the way to play it (Meryl Streep) to be hated on the other side of the screen!
But.... the only thing Celeste herself gives a reason for such actions..... is always in some kind of OUT, we urgently need to pull ourselves together!)
I really liked Renata's children's party! And what beauties they (the heroines) were... wow! And Bonnie is like that!
And I got into a fight between Madeleine's husbands, it was kind of unexpected out of the blue.🤔 It seems like a passing moment,,,, but cool!
Maybe psychotropic substances to declare her incapacitated... Then the children will be willingly given to their grandmother.
I hope Celeste can take it all. But it still feels like her strange behavior isn't without Grandma's help.
And I don't understand why they focus on the interaction between Ed and Bonnie.
I really like Meryl Streep, but she plays such a pain in the ass. 😁😁😁😁
's relationship, he will still harbor resentment against her (and she is absolutely justified), it makes sense to continue to hold on to each other, it's easier to end everything, because the relationship is strained after that, not everyone is ready to cheat, and lies are forgiven, and even if When they forgive, they usually remember it for a long time and stick it in for a long, long time.
Celeste just completely fell apart ...
the psychologist is strange, incompetent, in addition to value judgment, she also gives out advice, directing to actions that psychologists should not do.
I don't understand why the detective is so caught up in this case and women? This isn't some relative of hers, but she's been running around looking for something for a year, why would she do that? what a motivation... law enforcement officers can rarely boast of such tenacity, and unreasonable at that
But how glad I am that Jane did not give in, did not feel sorry for this chicken and did not take a paternity test, because really, with such a thing, Ziggy would have been sued((
But she plays amazing.