Juliet turns out that not only occasionally can smile, she also has a sense of humor.🙂 - I wanted to fill your refrigerator, but I have no idea what they eat on the Bottom. - Children, mostly. Or each other.
@LuckyThirteen: The book won't be finished this season anyway. I have also written to the comments on the last series. Judging by the titles of the following episodes and the contents of the book, season 1 will end in the middle of the book.
@alexander444: there are film adaptations (filmed closer to the text), and there are adaptations (filmed based on motives, away from the original text).
@WildBart: Got it. But then we can talk about the degree of proximity to the source, without a clear separation. In the end, everything will be based on motives.
Episode 4 turned out to be somewhat empty. A lot of attention was paid to Juliet's childhood memories, but they did not tell us how her mother and brother died. And we already knew about the fact that she does not communicate with her father and has long gone to mechanics, so we could shorten these moments. Just at the end of the series, events began to twist, Juliet finds the documents hidden by the sheriff and the sheriff's deputy is killed (this is understandable, there is a scene of a general funeral in the trailer, most likely it is him and the mayor). We will wait for episode 5, apparently there should be some kind of development of all these events in it.
@aniannaKH: But in the memories there was oxygen that was given to her brother so that he would come to his senses. It can be assumed that Jules' father stole oxygen, which is given to those who "want to get out", well, and poisoned his son in this way. I think it will come up later somehow.
Thanks for such a large amount of Ian Glen 's screen time , although this was not in the book and his role should have been limited to talking to the mayor in the last episode . And yes - how sweetly he was rejuvenated. Although he looks good in his 60s.
Well, some kind of no series. The dynamics have sunk a lot. It can't be compared to the pilot series. I would not like the end of the season to be as ragged as in "Separation"
Yes, I agree, but I also had no 3rd series, the first 2 were just delayed and it was so interesting, but 3 and 4 are not at all, I hope there will be more events and the series will not slide
@Tatyanich: The first two were so cool that I rushed to read books, but if I had finished watching the fourth series first, I definitely wouldn't have - the series has sunk very much, problems with logic and, in general, with the display of the world.
I agree too . The first two series were interesting, but in 3 and 4 there are other characters and not so much anymore. It's a pity that those first heroes were merged (
@maelgon: can someone explain what kind of character it was in general? Why did they come to him at all? Why did the wife die? I didn't understand this moment
@oniXtacie: I understand that the development of the line will follow, since in this episode, in my opinion, they did not give any additional explanations
@oniXtacie: Sheriff's deputy thought they wanted to kill him. Therefore, he began to visit his enemies. The wife of this man threatened the deputy sheriff.
The desire to fill the series with content in terms of personal relationships and backstories is understandable to me. In the book, Juliet pretty quickly skipped this stage to, let's say, the next one. Without her personal history and an attempt to establish relationships with the inhabitants of the upper levels, there will be no connection with the characters. Unlike the completely unrealistic scene of repairing the generator, at least it's clear why, and without a cringe. I do not consider deviations from the book a problem, it is not necessary to remove word for word. But I thought they would fit the first book in the first season, it's not particularly rich. And, apparently, nifiga. It is sad. Lucas is some kind of too old man, he was quite young.
@Rubanov: It's like you've never watched a TV series. The first episodes of the special were packed to the brim with events in order to interest people and get them hooked, and then pull the rubber with a teaspoon of the plot. It's not like Gilligan and Simon are anything like that. A good script costs good money. And judging by the Foundation, Apple's marketers are more concerned with the picture than the content.
What kind of future are they in if no one knows or remembers what a video camera is? And where do they get food and water? Or how is it grown without sunlight? Their electricity comes from a dilapidated generator, and where does the oxygen come from?
@vbkb: In the beginning, it was constantly mentioned that everything was forbidden, even the play was banned. They don't know about the past because everything is forbidden. And everything works by inertia, there is a brief instruction - it's enough. And if everything is not banned, then people will think too much and ask questions, and this is already bad. They are still growing without sunlight.
@vbkb: As if you know all the objects that were used in the 19th century :D they have been living in a bunker for 100 years, they do not have an "Internet", i.e. all information is transmitted orally or through books, any technology can be lost even in one generation. For example, you have absolutely seen old film projectors in the cinema, but if you give one in your hands, will you immediately figure out where to connect what, how to insert the film there and start the show? And imagine if you had never even seen anything like it. Now children do not know what a videotape is and how to use a video, although even 30 years have not passed, and in 50 years it will generally be a museum exhibit.
@Vescero: well, especially then) thanks for the clarification) I did not remember exactly how old the Bunker was, but I knew that they had been there for a long time and more than one generation), I wrote "100 years" - as a proverbial variant in the meaning of "whatever": like "100 years have not seen each other" :D
@albinka_: but they, for example, do not know about the video camera, but they know about the fishing line. The fishing line in the bunker is generally not the most obvious item.
@Captain_Icicle: the loss of complex technologies is easier and faster than simple and more obvious ones. The fishing line is used not only for fishing, but also in construction, needlework and clothing manufacture.
But in general, this is a TV series / book, there is only what is convenient for the authors. There are so many questions about "supply": for example, where do they get clothes from, are these really stocks that have not "leaked" over all these years and are simply inherited? making clothes requires either cotton plantations, or synthetic production, or the presence of animals (leather), and judging by the number of people, they need a lot of clothes. It's the same with food: where are the plantations or farms? or are they synthesizing food from something? you can't save any reserves for 200 years, especially for such a horde (according to average estimates, 1 person eats 700-800 kg of food per year).
@Perfectox: Firstly, the claim in the style of "what are you watching the series for" is very passive-aggressive, now I can also start asking you questions about the details from the first series and "catch you" on inattention (comment, by the way, to the 4th series, more than 2 weeks have passed since watching the first series, and that's it there was not such an emphasis in the series, taking into account all the events that happened next, I do not consider myself obliged to keep in mind all the small details of the series for such a long time). You clung to only one of my questions from the pile, but thank you for reminding me of this fact, I somehow missed the moment about cows, maybe there are pigs, since they were talking about bacon for breakfast (although bacon is an elite product in terms of production and fattening of pigs, which is also strange for a bunker) but the rest It still raises questions. In any case, I do not think that keeping a farm with cows in conditions of limited space and resources is the easiest solution, because cows need a lot of food, they eat up huge spaces (or they need a lot of feed), leave behind a large amount of waste, of course you can make fertilizers from this, allocate cows can "filter their farts", but still, being vegitarians and growing soybeans in their conditions would be somehow easier, probably. And you can keep goats for milk, they are more unpretentious and do not emit so much methane.
@Splyushka: I think it is necessary to explain here what a dispenser is, and even better to explain that it is not a dispenser. :))) In the best case, try not to use such words. :))
@vbkb: I'm confused about why there are no elevators, what clothes are made of, why everyone is not depressed from the lack of sun and ruin? Why, given the energy problems, do outdoor screens work around the clock? In the Sex Commission, such a divorce was made much easier.
@Dark_Alice: I thought about depression, as well as endocrinological problems and rickets due to the lack of vitamin D in the first place. People who are prone to depression have probably all died by the campaign, and the most persistent ones have remained
@Dark_Alice: Specifically, elevators and other lifts are explicitly prohibited by the Charter. I suppose it's in order to make communication between the upper and lower levels more difficult and thus increase social stratification. Well, you know, this is Divide and Conquer.
And yet, it seems to me that these beautiful scenes of nature are for those who are engaged in cleaning, so that they continue to clean and try to show the beautiful world to people in the bunker, but in fact there is nothing there, devastation and poisoned air
@bucket_man: Conversely. In English, and more precisely in the USA, the word niger has been taboo for several decades (VERY MUCH TABOO). And the word black is a neutral name for a representative of this race. Historically, there has been no reason for the word Negro to become a swear word in Russian, as in America, so it has remained a neutral word/term. "Black", used in relation to a negro, has a slight negative connotation, although it depends on how you say it (After all, if desired, even neutral words can be used as swear words). The word "nigger" would be a direct insult.
@WildBart: Well, logically speaking, I look at English where whites and blacks speak calmly, and the n-word is forbidden. well, in Russian, the n-word is somehow already inconvenient to use...
@WildBart: Respectful and neutral addresses are used to avoid offending specific people, not to prove any historical facts. Even if this word has not "acquired an abusive meaning" in Russia, it is consonant with a swear word for English-speaking people, you will not explain every time you communicate: "man, this word is normal in Russia, sorry, I will call you that." Why do you think brands are renamed where their completely neutral name in their own language becomes abusive or just sounds bad to locals in another country? That's exactly why. Even if you try to prove that this word is neutral or even positive for you, for those to whom it is addressed, it is not very. Black is a neutral word because it just simply means color. As well as "white". But "nigger" is already an abusive derivative and generally a different word, so don't mix it up.
@albinka_: We are watching the original message from bucket_man: NoizPitcher: in Russian, it is correct to say "black". It is incorrect to say "Negro. It's about how to use the Russian language correctly. Now let's see what you 're arguing with albinka_: " ... one fig it is consonant with a swear word for English-speaking people, you won't explain every time you communicate: "man, this word is normal in Russia..." What does communication with English speakers in English have to do with it? English has its own rules, Russian has its own rules. And it is in the Russian language that the word Negro is the main name for people of the black race. If you don't believe me, open Wikipedia or an explanatory dictionary after all.
@WildBart: Did you read me wrong or didn't you understand? I wrote that saying "negro" to black people in Russia is also not very correct, because you say it specifically to these people, who may find it unpleasant. Even though they are "not in America, where they can express their discontent," Russia does not live in a vacuum from the whole world. I studied with such guys at uni, and the word "negro" was unpleasant to them, regardless of the fact that "it's customary in Russia" - I know what I'm talking about. And there was always increased attention to these guys in Russia, and one was even beaten up a couple of times, just for the color of his skin and because his girlfriend was Russian. It is desirable to respect someone else's culture and needs not only in the country where people with this culture live, but also on their own territory, too, this is just politeness to "guests". It may be incorrect to say "black" in Russia, but in this case it is just a direct translation of what is happening in America now. In general, it is generally better not to focus on skin color when there is no urgent need for it, and when there is, you can say "dark-skinned."
And as for your "whatever they want, we'll call it the way we do": For example, in Belarus, calling a Russian "Moskal" is also normal, it's even a historical term, but would it be okay for you if you were called that there? Appealing to history like "it's always been OK with us" - in the age of globalization and at a time when speech is constantly changing and new generations of people with new ideas about ethics are growing up - is simply stupid. "Jew" used to be a normal designation and a literary term, but it has acquired a negative connotation, go now and prove that it was once a positive word.
@albinka_: let's close this offtopic. I was just writing how to do it correctly in Russian. And you take theses that are not related to the subject of the dispute and successfully refute them or attribute some statement to me and start arguing with him. Where, for example, in my post is the following phrase that you allegedly quote from my words albinka_ "... And about your "it doesn't matter what they want, we'll call it the way we do": ..." ?
A gathering has been announced for wrestlers and wrestlers for the rights of Negroes in TV series and the permissibility of calling them "niggers."
Their fight is phahahahaha How pathetic you are, cowards. Twitter and mayshouse are the only places where the concentration of destructive damage is maximized, but even here you can't prove anything to anyone, let alone change the attitude of normal people towards destructive ones (femmes, fatties, trans people, fags, and blacks).
In the sequel to "eggplant and shoe polish": smoked, black, fried, ethiopian, black beam, white heels, cannibal, southern night....There is such a rich range of choice of names for our smaller "brothers".
@edelvejs: I see that the main house has almost sunk to the bottom, on which lostfilm's comments on the level of xenophobia are floating. At the same time, there are fewer and fewer interesting comments. It's a pity, the last one was a Russian-language resource. where the series were discussed, not the number of gays and African Americans in each episode. Apparently the times are like that.
Your cause-and-effect relationships are broken. But this is normal for Liberah supporters. If there weren't so many faggots and niggers, there wouldn't be a bugurt about them. But we must pay tribute, so far there are almost no listed degraders in this series.
After all, no one is satisfied with a bugurt under the TV series of the noughties, simply because there are almost no destructive characters listed there, and if they are shown, then casually without focusing attention. It's been some 20 years, and now everyone (!!!) the series has a whole bucket of subpoenas, eat and don't mess up, as they say.
Well, you're moving like a bingo lefty. So far, I see only aggrieved fighters and various destructive minorities, who are always being infringed upon. Even here, you couldn't pass by and got offended. No need to placky-placky
They have a strange logic in recycling, dropping devices from somewhere above, and then fixing them. Why can't we get them there in a more humane way? To fix it less.
@Katenka: It also says that this is how they throw out what they consider to be unsuitable for repair. For burning. And the mechanics, on their own initiative, repair and return.
@Artchel: Good question. I was wondering the same thing when I got cold feet with the original source. There will be no answer, and my face will be bruised from trying to make sense of it against the background of what will happen next.
I see the series doesn't stand on ceremony with the characters at all, four episodes - four corpses (or rather, even five corpses. I meant that it's not a series, so the corpse is yyyy)
Surprisingly, I don't share the restrained negative comments that the series has already gone into fillers and all that. Yes, there's no dynamics right now, but in general, everything goes without stupid bullshit about anything for half a season and every couple of episodes one and a half hooks are thrown so that the audience does not go to bed :) It's clear that only the fourth episode and maybe still ahead, just so far all four episodes are pleasing. Already waiting for the fifth heheee 😼🖤
@Gordey: according to the logic of the series, "one episode - one corpse of a bright character" will be killed. But according to the logic of the series, "death was not shown, so the character is alive" - it will get out :)
Maybe I missed it and we've already discussed it, but it seems that the main musical theme in some places resembles the sound of the World of the Wild West.
The sheriff has a strange legitimacy - he takes the oath almost in private and that's it. Why should anyone listen to her or respect her?) And how does their overall structure work? No subordinates, no orders were given to anyone.
Why did the assistant's walkie-talkie suddenly turn on the "secret" wave?
I haven't even watched the first scene yet, but I already got the idea that her old boyfriend poisoned the mayor himself. Somehow he overplayed his hand and reacted too aggressively to the appearance of a new sheriff at the crime scene.
Am I the only one confused by Ian Glen's character? He lost his wife and son, and so calmly lets go of his daughter, in fact, his entire family, and somehow too calm, lives on and does not even try to see each other. 🤷♀️🥴
So, in the second episode, the mayor said that she had raised the archives all the way back to 97, and no one before her had to escort the sheriff outside. In this episode, my grandfather said that everyone had voted for her for 40 years. In the first episode, the 140th year was celebrated, that is, now 143. It turns out that she raised the archives 6 years before herself? It's not much historical information, to be honest)
The stone walls of the bunker turned out to be a real prison for logic. It's so nice to see how all the characters make unprepared decisions, as if this is a rehearsal for an absurd comedy..
please, someone explain to me how they got their eggs there... They probably don't breed chickens, given that the sheriff's wife said "there's something flying in the sky," meaning they don't know about the existence of birds and don't understand what it is.. and here she's frying her own eggs, how is that at all??
The first episode was so great, the second one was not bad, and then somehow everything is unclear. There is no longer any sense of dystopia, they walk, live, investigate something as if nothing had happened, they have already forgotten about the outside world. Everything is kind of simple, and they don't really show anything. I would like to learn more about the bunker, about its structure, how they live, about the outside world, about that cave.
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145- I wanted to fill your refrigerator, but I have no idea what they eat on the Bottom.
- Children, mostly. Or each other.
Just at the end of the series, events began to twist, Juliet finds the documents hidden by the sheriff and the sheriff's deputy is killed (this is understandable, there is a scene of a general funeral in the trailer, most likely it is him and the mayor). We will wait for episode 5, apparently there should be some kind of development of all these events in it.
But again, this is just an assumption.
And yes - how sweetly he was rejuvenated. Although he looks good in his 60s.
Lucas is some kind of too old man, he was quite young.
they have been living in a bunker for 100 years, they do not have an "Internet", i.e. all information is transmitted orally or through books, any technology can be lost even in one generation. For example, you have absolutely seen old film projectors in the cinema, but if you give one in your hands, will you immediately figure out where to connect what, how to insert the film there and start the show? And imagine if you had never even seen anything like it.
Now children do not know what a videotape is and how to use a video, although even 30 years have not passed, and in 50 years it will generally be a museum exhibit.
more than 200, closer to 250ti
I did not remember exactly how old the Bunker was, but I knew that they had been there for a long time and more than one generation), I wrote "100 years" - as a proverbial variant in the meaning of "whatever": like "100 years have not seen each other" :D
But in general, this is a TV series / book, there is only what is convenient for the authors. There are so many questions about "supply": for example, where do they get clothes from, are these really stocks that have not "leaked" over all these years and are simply inherited? making clothes requires either cotton plantations, or synthetic production, or the presence of animals (leather), and judging by the number of people, they need a lot of clothes. It's the same with food: where are the plantations or farms? or are they synthesizing food from something? you can't save any reserves for 200 years, especially for such a horde (according to average estimates, 1 person eats 700-800 kg of food per year).
In any case, I do not think that keeping a farm with cows in conditions of limited space and resources is the easiest solution, because cows need a lot of food, they eat up huge spaces (or they need a lot of feed), leave behind a large amount of waste, of course you can make fertilizers from this, allocate cows can "filter their farts", but still, being vegitarians and growing soybeans in their conditions would be somehow easier, probably. And you can keep goats for milk, they are more unpretentious and do not emit so much methane.
In English, and more precisely in the USA, the word niger has been taboo for several decades (VERY MUCH TABOO). And the word black is a neutral name for a representative of this race. Historically, there has been no reason for the word Negro to become a swear word in Russian, as in America, so it has remained a neutral word/term. "Black", used in relation to a negro, has a slight negative connotation, although it depends on how you say it (After all, if desired, even neutral words can be used as swear words). The word "nigger" would be a direct insult.
Why do you think brands are renamed where their completely neutral name in their own language becomes abusive or just sounds bad to locals in another country? That's exactly why. Even if you try to prove that this word is neutral or even positive for you, for those to whom it is addressed, it is not very.
Black is a neutral word because it just simply means color. As well as "white". But "nigger" is already an abusive derivative and generally a different word, so don't mix it up.
We are watching the original message from bucket_man: NoizPitcher: in Russian, it is correct to say "black". It is incorrect to say "Negro.
It's about how to use the Russian language correctly.
Now let's see what you 're arguing
with albinka_: " ... one fig it is consonant with a swear word for English-speaking people, you won't explain every time you communicate: "man, this word is normal in Russia..."
What does communication with English speakers in English have to do with it?
English has its own rules, Russian has its own rules.
And it is in the Russian language that the word Negro is the main name for people of the black race.
If you don't believe me, open Wikipedia or an explanatory dictionary after all.
I studied with such guys at uni, and the word "negro" was unpleasant to them, regardless of the fact that "it's customary in Russia" - I know what I'm talking about. And there was always increased attention to these guys in Russia, and one was even beaten up a couple of times, just for the color of his skin and because his girlfriend was Russian. It is desirable to respect someone else's culture and needs not only in the country where people with this culture live, but also on their own territory, too, this is just politeness to "guests".
It may be incorrect to say "black" in Russia, but in this case it is just a direct translation of what is happening in America now. In general, it is generally better not to focus on skin color when there is no urgent need for it, and when there is, you can say "dark-skinned."
And as for your "whatever they want, we'll call it the way we do":
For example, in Belarus, calling a Russian "Moskal" is also normal, it's even a historical term, but would it be okay for you if you were called that there?
Appealing to history like "it's always been OK with us" - in the age of globalization and at a time when speech is constantly changing and new generations of people with new ideas about ethics are growing up - is simply stupid.
"Jew" used to be a normal designation and a literary term, but it has acquired a negative connotation, go now and prove that it was once a positive word.
I was just writing how to do it correctly in Russian. And you take theses that are not related to the subject of the dispute and successfully refute them or attribute some statement to me and start arguing with him.
Where, for example, in my post is the following phrase that you allegedly quote from my words
albinka_ "... And about your "it doesn't matter what they want, we'll call it the way we do": ..." ?
Their fight is phahahahaha
How pathetic you are, cowards.
Twitter and mayshouse are the only places where the concentration of destructive damage is maximized, but even here you can't prove anything to anyone, let alone change the attitude of normal people towards destructive ones (femmes, fatties, trans people, fags, and blacks).
Apparently the times are like that.
But this is normal for Liberah supporters.
If there weren't so many faggots and niggers, there wouldn't be a bugurt about them.
But we must pay tribute, so far there are almost no listed degraders in this series.
It's been some 20 years, and now everyone (!!!) the series has a whole bucket of subpoenas, eat and don't mess up, as they say.
So far, I see only aggrieved fighters and various destructive minorities, who are always being infringed upon.
Even here, you couldn't pass by and got offended.
No need to placky-placky
Surprisingly, I don't share the restrained negative comments that the series has already gone into fillers and all that. Yes, there's no dynamics right now, but in general, everything goes without stupid bullshit about anything for half a season and every couple of episodes one and a half hooks are thrown so that the audience does not go to bed :)
It's clear that only the fourth episode and maybe still ahead, just so far all four episodes are pleasing.
Already waiting for the fifth heheee 😼🖤
Why did the assistant's walkie-talkie suddenly turn on the "secret" wave?
He plays great.
Where are the good screenwriters?