Have you thought about where this line is, how to understand when you are doing something that you like, or doing something that pleases someone you like to make happy?
It's like something from the past is dragging... Because he treated her strangely when Marianne was at school. Maybe it has something to do with my father? It seems that the father beat Marianna's mother, according to the latter.
Yes, I already read the book after the series. The film adaptation is quite accurate and yes, the author himself does not really give a question to this answer. But most likely he's just an asshole with an inferiority complex who watched his dad beat his wife and daughter (or maybe him too)
@tevladka: Marianna says in the series that her father did not beat her. Maybe he beat his brother, and this is another reason to hate his sister for making her life easier?
the film adaptation is quite accurate according to the book. Yes, there it is also in the background. I don't think this is absurd, rather a literary device and the vision of the author of the story)
In the book, the brother is an even bigger asshole. The scene in the kitchen there demonstrates this even more strongly. He spat at Marianne out of envy for her success, she didn't even say a bad word to him. It seems to me that my father's disgusting behavior is either an example of how not to behave, or as an example to follow. My brother chose the second option
@nezabudka: nothing, but that's why she's crying. He does not stay with her to live, does not offer to meet, and generally keeps away. They have a rather strange relationship, but that's why the series is addictive
Damn, well, what selective vision Mariana has, the fact that he doesn't show public attention, and the fact that he is torn to pieces right next to him does not see at close range...
@Maximgrechany: It's strange, but it seems to me that he sees and understands everything perfectly. She's just waiting for him to be ready to tell her everything and share what's eating at him.
And that's probably why she gets offended from time to time, starts new relationships that she hates. Of course, all the blame is on Connell, his fault;))))
@Maximgrechany: And I didn't say at all that someone was to blame :) You wrote above yourself, didn't you? (if I understood correctly), that the whole point is a misunderstanding on both sides, an inability and ignorance of how to properly articulate your feelings, solve problems together. After all, any relationship is the work of two people. I'm just an observer here and I don't choose sides) We, as viewers, see more, we can understand the motivation of both characters, but they do not share everything with each other, much remains "behind the scenes" for them.
@Maximgrechany: Hmm, I can understand why her actions can be interpreted this way. But I didn't see it. All I saw was a girl he had hurt a lot in the past, and it still lingers somewhere in the present. Plus problems from the family, and a sincere inability to understand that someone really loves her and chooses her for real. Actually, that's why she pulls away and enters into other relationships with unsuitable people, it seems to her that she is not worthy of more. And all this confidence and coldness is a mask to protect yourself. Well, that's my vision. In general, I understand Connell's behavior and actions more, but what's the point of sitting and calculating who has more joints) Both do not tell each other, and this leads to thinking for the partner, respectively, to discord.
@Maxyjazz: +1 also noticed this moment: he's hiding tears there, but she didn't notice ((apparently, she was so pleased that he hugged her in front of everyone that she was immersed in her feelings and didn't see anything...
It breaks my heart. How hard it is sometimes to say what you really think and feel, for fear of rejection or an opinion from the outside. How many words do people leave in the shower and then suffer
Every time they are next to each other, hugging, kissing and so on, it feels like they are in their place. Such an all-consuming tenderness, trembling, as if you are being hugged and kissed by a dear loved one. Even sex does not look like some kind of five-minute rush of passion, as in other TV series, but directly broadcasts how people enjoy each other, they like to give pleasure. There are no pretentious poses, no one is confused by folds or anything else, because when you love, everything is beautiful in a person. These are probably the first actors who, during scenes of intimacy, make you believe so strongly in the feelings between the characters that you get goosebumps and tears.
There's still so much self-doubt in Connell. It feels like he's going through a lot, but he doesn't share it with anyone. And above all with Marianne, although he himself told her that she was his best friend. In general, it's sad...
I'm amazed how Connell copies a part of me in every episode. Personally, I would also never personally touch/kiss my girlfriend. Here are such complexes.
These are not complexes. Rather, you are just a shy and not so tactile person. It is good if you meet a companion who does not care about this point and for whom it is not paramount. And there is a category of people who need tactile contact like air and for them it is extremely important.
behind six closed doors, Connell is very tactile, as we can see. so it's quite a stretch for a complex, if the emphasis is on the public manifestation of feelings
@_lesya_: so he didn't tell her about the problem. They generally have everything drawn from the inability to speak with words through their mouths. They are silent about their own things.
@DashkaShumik: когда начнут разговаривать? Они ж не обсуждают свои проблемы - она молча плакала о своем визите к родственникам...он не сказал о своих проблемах с работой, со статьей? Грустно
I haven't read the book, but I know the author. I read "Conversations with friends", which did not catch on, so I postponed reading "NL", the memories are too fresh.
At the very beginning, it seemed that Rooney had some kind of obsession with secret relationships... Anyone who read "RsD" will understand what I mean.
If I didn't like the first book, and if you believe the commentators that the film adaptation of "NL" is as close as possible to what was written, then the series is going very well for me so far.
It's a bit monotonous (it reminded me of "Scenes from married life"), but on the whole it can be quite emotional and heartfelt. Responds, in general.
The feeling that Connell is counter-dependent: as soon as he approaches a certain boundary to "serious" feelings and relationships, he is shied away in the opposite direction. It seems to me that not only the fear of publicity, but also some other deep fear that generates the fear of intimacy is hidden. It is clearly visible in the scene when Maryanne says that she would do something just to make him happy - at that moment, he apparently swayed from this expression of her codependency. I wonder what happened to his father, why is his mother alone? If I'm not mistaken, they didn't mention him. Maybe it has something to do with it.
In the book, it seems at that moment he thought that she trusted him so much that he could even hit her and she wouldn't say anything, and he was scared by such thoughts
What's in the book, what's in the series, Marianne's family pisses me off, and it doesn't explain in any way why her brother behaves this way with her, neither here nor in the book. I can say the same about my mother. Although it is presented here a little better than in the book.
They don't quite understand why they don't openly meet here. At school, they were very young and stupid, worried about the opinions of others. But here in college is a new life hundreds of kilometers from home? Everyone blames Connell's comments, but Marianne is also not very clear to me. He told her twice that he loved her, she did not respond to it once. I called once from the prom, the second time in this series. It is not shown that they agreed to hide the relationship. Why doesn't she also take some initiative and hug him in public? Or will he not set a condition - do I want to meet openly this time, or is that it? It seems that Connell admitted a school mistake, but here everything goes according to a similar scenario.
I liked the series... however, such "brain-bearing" relationships are similar to masochism... and apart from death, it's like, and in a place no matter how...It's worth a look... the actors are beautiful and the game is on top...
Have you thought about where this line is, how to understand when you are doing something that you like, or doing something that pleases someone you like to make happy?
It's like something happened in the past. Otherwise, if it's because of envy and a complex, then it looks strange at all
Maybe he was following his father
Connell and Marianne's relationship is a vivid example of what a lack or lack of real communication between people leads to. It's very sad(
And I want to understand what happened at the very end, that both broke up in such emotions
In general, I understand Connell's behavior and actions more, but what's the point of sitting and calculating who has more joints) Both do not tell each other, and this leads to thinking for the partner, respectively, to discord.
Even sex does not look like some kind of five-minute rush of passion, as in other TV series, but directly broadcasts how people enjoy each other, they like to give pleasure.
There are no pretentious poses, no one is confused by folds or anything else, because when you love, everything is beautiful in a person.
These are probably the first actors who, during scenes of intimacy, make you believe so strongly in the feelings between the characters that you get goosebumps and tears.
At the very beginning, it seemed that Rooney had some kind of obsession with secret relationships... Anyone who read "RsD" will understand what I mean.
If I didn't like the first book, and if you believe the commentators that the film adaptation of "NL" is as close as possible to what was written, then the series is going very well for me so far.
It's a bit monotonous (it reminded me of "Scenes from married life"), but on the whole it can be quite emotional and heartfelt. Responds, in general.
I wonder what happened to his father, why is his mother alone? If I'm not mistaken, they didn't mention him. Maybe it has something to do with it.