Just WTF after each episode, the season did not disappoint, I hope the last 2 episodes are also on the level. The moment when Jonas took the jacket and Mikael's reaction was 10/10, and the story of that night in the forest that he told was unexpected.
@PavelAndreev: a flashback came to him, he says this in a dialogue with Jonas from 39:40 "I saw myself today. Mikkel. Everything is coming back. This raincoat, you. Everything fits together." When Mikkel the little one was thrown into the past, Jonas was wearing this yellow raincoat then. Here he has deja vu and fucks, on the subconscious it becomes scary from memories
They've turned it around! Otherwise, in the first season, many wondered how Mikkel ended up in the cave and why he was sitting there until the morning. It turns out that the screenwriters thought everything out in advance.
@KateMilk: Looking at Magnus, I have a suspicion that some of the scenes were filmed in the first season. Of all the actors, he has changed the most, and here he is closer to the first season in appearance.
@KateMilk: it seems to me that the scriptwriters wrote the script, and then shuffled it like a deck of cards. And voila, it turned out to be such a cool series.
What does it mean that "Everyone has to sacrifice something, Magnus" that sounded at the end? Like it was Magnus in the frame, I remember this phrase was said to Magnus in previous episodes, but what does it mean now?
it seems to have been extended for a third season, but I want them to finish earlier, because such series from a large number of seasons, alas, begin to fill with all sorts of slag.
@moonly: I think that the third final season will be on the level. That's where everything will be revealed and everything will change. I think that in the third season there will be a war between Jonas and all his versions. It is possible that the last cycle is for the last Jonas to fully understand all the consequences and change everything. (I didn't understand what I wrote myself)
It was well thought out in order to show the events the day before, as if you look at the characters from completely different sides.
Franziska saw her father in the trailer of a prostitute, a couple of episodes ago she said that she was helping this man get prescriptions for medicines, and he was helping her, but what was his help, I wonder if he put something like letters in the box?
It turns out that Alexander, Regina's husband, is connected with the murders of 33 years ago, hence the identity change.
Claudia, like Dumbledore, appears with another inspiring speech, from which nothing is clear :D
At the beginning of the series and in the middle, everyone is so happy, the families are still fine, the neighbors are friends with each other, you look at all this and it becomes sad that it is a millimeter away from the full tin that will happen next.
@berrynice: He also handed the money to Franziska, wrapped in paper, not letters.
But with Alexander, another question arose: two criminals are wanted, which means that he most likely called one-eyed (probably two-eyed) to resolve the issue with his accomplice.
They're not that happy, it's just that things haven't come out yet. Peter and Charlotte have problems, Michael is really bad, Ulrich is cheating on Hannah (by the way, maybe she decided that Mikel is from Michael and is taking revenge?) etc. The only happy ones, and even then because of their youth, are Marta and Jonas.
@Dvoreckii: I wrote that at the beginning and in the middle of the series :) then, yes, they show all their problems, but before that, everything is painted in rather rosy colors. For some reason, I really thought that there was paper there, not money, then everything adds up.
JONAS, FOR FUCK'S SAKE. I'm trying to stop crying, sorry, I'm an empath. Fuck, that's what I thought, if your father doesn't know what to do: a letter, etc. why would he spoiler and give instructions. Claudia-Grandma really pisses me off. I wish both Jonas and Mikael (who stayed in 19 and had no adventures back) were alive. Eh
Great episode! The creators are great, the interest is only growing with each episode, and this is the second season)) usually it's the other way around)))
This series is bound to be among the Emmy Award nominees. "Darkness" together with "Chernobyl" can easily share the awards among themselves, sending the same "Game of Thrones" to a well-deserved knockout.
A very strong series. And even if you have to pause ten times per episode to download the information you've received in your head, it's definitely worth the time. I haven't watched a TV series so seriously since Twin Peaks. 👍
@ilpassetto: "Game of Thrones" knocked itself out, giving a place to much more worthwhile candidates. I thought that after Twin Peaks, nothing would be so impressive. And it's a good thing I was wrong. Over the past two months, two TV series have succeeded at once.
@FortesQ: Bo-Jack the Horse is very cool, though peculiar, it's about an actor going through a midlife crisis, but it's one of the best animated series in nature. I advise you to take a look. My favorite series is from Netflix.
I just wanted to "hug" these poor devils and say that I was also quietly terrified of the hell that the scriptwriters had prescribed for them as fate. How cruel, unfair, and painful it was.
It was a bad day for Mikkel - first he got rubella, then he hanged himself. The opportunity to hug a loved one I buried - I don't even know if it's a gift or a curse, both at the same time, probably (A good episode, I'll wipe my tears and sit down to watch.
By the way, it is unclear why Michael, remembering that in a couple of days his son (not knowing that it will be a copy of his son from the future) will lead his little/Mikkel went into the cave, did not try to break the circle somehow. Take Jonas and go out of town, for example.
Although it is clear that if he finds out a couple of days before his disappearance that it was not Jonas, but his copy, which is now sitting at the table in front of him, then why not somehow attack him so that he does not go into the woods. I don't think old Claudia would have given any kind of rebuff. Well, it's just very strange when someone tells you that they're trying to break the cycle, and then you agree that everything should take its course.. Jonas with the scar is crying that he tried to fix something here and spoilt his father, so you take it and help him without killing yourself and not letting him into the forest in a couple of days.
@JulesP: Michael said he had forgotten about it. I started remembering when I saw Jonas's yellow jacket. And yet he committed suicide, because he understood that if he did not do this, then Jonas would not be born at all (i.e. Jonas, who with a scar would not take Mikel to the cave, he would not travel to the past, he would not meet Hannah there, etc.)
For some reason, I wasn't thrilled with the first season, so I decided to give the second one a chance.. and now I can say with confidence that this series will be included in my top 5! It's been a long time since my soul suffered so much for the heroes, at the moment when Jonas and Mikkel hugged, there was a lump in my throat and tears involuntarily rolled down. I really like it!
@Darula: There are two reasons ahaha 1 - it's becoming more and more clear, because if we compare seasons 1 and 2, we didn't know anything. 2 - you're looking at it and you're freaking out
We brought a series of selected glass. I'm just in shock, I don't have the words anymore, this is some kind of new kind of screenwriting genius. To tell your loved one how much you care about him and not be able to return to him, leaving him with his younger version, who has not yet encountered anything terrible; to hug his soon-dead father, hoping to save him..and give him, on the contrary, a hint of what to do; learn more and more terrible details about himself, like reading a book he has already written (as it was truly said, "it's not us, but time that owns us"); after 30 years, see yourself at home and remember everything that time has erased - the soul is inside out. x mentally, together with Jonas, I want to bite my lips and cry crying "No! No!" every time he realizes that every bright hope was an illusion and in fact he is only burrowing deeper and deeper. And most importantly, everything has happened before, time already knows everything. He knew that one day I would watch Twin Peaks, that I would see an advertisement for Darkness in his VK group, that I would sit down to watch it with true admiration, and that I would write these words on July 1 at 2 a.m. Perhaps I should take a closer look at the family photos, there may well be a girl who looks exactly like me, but with the note July 1986...
@Ringelsocken: What if there's a girl like that in the family photo? This can radically change, if not life itself, then any idea of it. Sometimes it's better not to know. (;
these scenes with my father, the moments when he literally looks back on his past life, are just sobbing. I can't even imagine how such a thing can be experienced at all.
damn this moment of despair when Jonas enters his room in 2019. I was so desperate to get back home to my time. and now he's back, but there's no place for him here, it's not his life anymore. Another Jonas lives here. rough. it was about the same feeling when I read the remark, when the hero returned from the war and realized that he had long ago morally died somewhere on the battlefield and there would never be a former life.
@ramill: Do you even realize that all those guys in the photo are our heroes who have aged? after this sentence, I sat for about five minutes with my mouth open and my hands pressed to my face..... there are just no words to spin the plot like that.... It's just incredible AHHH!!!!!
After all, I hadn't watched another 2 episodes of the season at the time of writing the comment, so obviously this is not a spoiler, but just my guess.
@ramill: By the way, I also didn't really understand whether Claudia really saw the world without Jonas or not , because no matter what they do, everything turns out as usual . I don't know if there's a way to "fix" everything, but changing something can make it even worse , and what's most interesting is at what point Jonas turns into Adam.
@killjones85: Who was Adam talking to? The man is Magnus (who is Mikkel and Martha's brother), and the woman called him by his first name. The woman is unclear, but she has red hair and is with Magnus, so I'm betting it's Franziska (Peter and Charlotte's eldest daughter). They started dating when they were young, and they're still together.
With the words "I saw the world without you, Jonas, and he's not very good", Claudia confirmed that there are "pockets" of time in their loops and knowing the exact entry point for replacement, you can replace cycles with other future development options (but this will continue to be a monster fixated on yourself)
and besides Jonas, they are also "guiding someone on the right path." because apparently erasing Jonas alone won't stop the apocalypse or whatever they're going to stop. and it seems that it is necessary to trace the actions of ALL the people who came into contact with Jonas (or even with the Nielsen family?) this is just some kind of thousand-headed hydra turns out. and to stop this "thousand-headed hydra" mechanism, where you cut off one connection and another, even more terrible, immediately grew up - do you need to chop all the heads at once? to all participants of time travel at once? Not just Jonas? and these displaced people are already there with a wagon and a small cart. And maybe the suggestion that everyone join hands and jump off a cliff before the cycle starts can't even be considered? xDD
Why is Jonas such a wingman? He listens to everyone so easily and agrees with everyone. And in the end, some kind of tin. I feel very sorry for his father. And Jonas himself. And I don't trust Claudia (this granny). It seems to me that she and Adam are of the same berry field.
@Fargulita: Maybe Jonas is a wingman because: 1) he's just a teenager who got into an unthinkable shit with time loops, 2) left all alone, 3) visited 2052 and 1921, 4) he was almost hanged, 5) and it all started with the fact that his father committed suicide, and his brother disappeared. 6) Oh, yes, he was also treated in a mental hospital. It seems to me that he has the right to be led, doesn't it?
It turns out that if Jonas hadn't come to his dad, then his dad wouldn't have taken his own life, and Adam knew all this would happen, yeah, yeah, Claudia saw the world without Jonas, maybe she didn't see at all , something here again is not clean! and it's not clear where the evil is and where the good is, well, and the end of the series is so tough, maybe it's true that Jonas aka Adam is not so bad?! It's not clear, the intrigue is still active - and that's cool , but it's also cool that the old magnus looks like the young one. very cool cast selection!
I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW IT WAS POSSIBLE TO THINK EVERYTHING THROUGH SO MUCH!!
There are no words, it's just the best TV series forever&ever. The series is very heavy, probably the heaviest for the entire series (more precisely, the first and incomplete second). It is impossible to watch how Jonas dissuades his father from suicide, while pushing him to do so with "instructions". I don't know, my head is all mixed up with emotions. There are 2 episodes left, and then a year of waiting.. But I want to say again how cool the Germans did. And yes, it's better to watch in the original with subtitles, it just adds unrealistically to the atmosphere.
It wasn't revealed until this episode that it was Jonas who took Mikkel to the cave, the fact of the matter is that it's only now been explained. Cause and effect - another loop has closed: if Jonas hadn't met his father, he wouldn't have known that it was he who took Mikel to 1986.
@K2isOn: Yes, so we've revealed the answers to 2 questions from the first season: how did Mikkel technically move to 1986 (before that, it was generally believed that Helge moved him) and why did Michael hang himself? (There were a lot of versions about this, but none of them were correct.)
@Kiichigo: I'm really into aku too, as far as the storylines are thought out! And here is not a two-dimensional Santa Barbara, there is also a third dimension in the form of time, where not only the past affects the present and the future, but also the present affects the future and the past, and the future affects the past and the present)) And so far everything is not just interconnected, but also self-consistent! I can't even imagine how it's possible to write such a script! 👏
Oh, how I love German actors - and it's so gratifying to see them all together in such a top series, which is watched by such a large number of people.
I was really looking forward to the episodes with Jonas' father. (
@setlip: there is, of course. Since the song repeats from series to series in the screensaver, the site gives it out only once, that is, as the soundtrack to S1E1. Then it is present in all series by default, and it is no longer reflected on the site 18 times. Take note. >> https://www.tunefind.com/show/dark/season-1/54818
Now everything is bombastic with every series! It's unrealistically simple. How everything is wrapped up and planned out And the idea of seeing everything "Before" the start of the events of the series just raised the tension to a new level! The meeting between Jonas and his father is simple 😭
If Michael had continued to live, then Jonas would not have gone to the future and would not have taken Mikkel to the past, right? Because for a long time I couldn't figure out why he had to hang himself.
But I still don't fully understand how my father hanged himself or not, it can affect whether Jonas was born or not, he didn't get into the cave because his father hanged himself, why was this considered the starting point?
@OxanatSymbalenko: perhaps this is due to the fact that Jonas began to understand all this after he received that letter from his father. If this had not happened, there would have been no letter and Jonas would not have become a traveler in the future Adam (who manages Noah and this whole structure).
To put it even more simply, if the father does not hang himself, then Jonas will not come to dissuade him, will not take Mikkel to the cave and eventually will not be born himself.
Thanks! I'm watching this series in 2023, and before your comment, I didn't understand why Jonas chose this particular moment as a turning point in his story.
By the first season, I wrote that I thought maybe Mikkel (having figured it all out and looking for a way to get everything back/answers, but years have passed) did what he did or didn't come back to leave Jonas's life. He made a choice in favor of his son, because he understood that if he returned, Jonas would not be born. But he couldn't stand such a life and committed suicide. It's just unthinkable what Mikkel had to go through. It is impossible and immensely sorry for him. And how sensitively the actor played it. But the way the scriptwriters have just twisted it, that Jonas took Mikkel to the cave, blew my mind. Really, looking at it, you think you understand, but with each subsequent episode it turns out the opposite. Fire!
- Did you know my father? - Yes, he saved my life. c) "Darkness" season 1. Surprisingly, the story is so well thought out, there are no holes in the script, it's just a delight! It turns out Magnus is with Adam, and the woman next to him, is it really Francisca? Or Martha? Why didn't the apocalypse kill everyone and most of them just moved to 1921? It's a pity that the third season of the series will be the final one, I would always watch and dig into these intricacies from the writers.
I'm happy for Jonas and Marta, finally someone is happy in the Dark again. By the way, does this sex mean that Jonas the average's dreams are his memories? Jonas 1 didn't have sex with Marta, did he? Or do I have to review the first season again... in short, if it wasn't, then Jonas 1 and Jonas the average are different Jonas, and the last cycle is already underway? What kind of cycles are there if Claudia saw the world without Jonas? Alexander Tideman flashes too often in recent episodes, it's all for a reason. It's just fucked up, in short, quoting the comment above, I was trying so hard to figure something out that my head hurt. And the most annoying and beautiful thing is that by the time the third season comes out, I'll forget everything again, and I'll have to review everything. Fuck, goodbye.
@Red_wasp: >> Jonas 1 didn't have sex with Marta, did he? He probably was. At the moment, everything in the series is predetermined. And there is not a single event that breaks out of all these loops. But there is also a more specific reason related to this particular case. I can't remember exactly, but Jonas and Marta have a dialogue somewhere in the first season, where they talk about what they had last summer. The first kiss and sex are quite suitable for this "something" that could be remembered like that.
@Red_wasp: Jonas 1 didn't have sex with Marta, did he? ----------------------------------- What makes you think that? They just didn't show us this moment before, now they have. That's exactly what happened before Michael's suicide in the first episode, that's how everyone's day went, it just stayed behind the scenes.
@Red_wasp: in the first season, when Marta hooked up with Bartosz. Marta and Jonas were saying something along the lines of what we had last summer. Not directly, but with a hint of sex just right.
A strong series. And once again, they smartly selected an actor for the role of a grown-up character, bravo. How do they do it? It's a pity that Ulrich and Hannah's pussies itched at the same time, as for me Ulrich and Katarina are a good couple (it's a good couple, not good people), I really liked their interactions with each other in this series and their love line in their youth. Okay, Hannah, she's been pining for him for a long time, but Ulrich could have thought with his head, and not with another place, he would have suffered in the end until his wife's period ends and she shaves and makes out with another woman on the anniversary - this is a fiasco, of course. I also consider the relationship between Martha and Jonas to be a dubious love line, but for some reason Martha is constantly being reminded of Jonas as an important person to him, and Adam still keeps the coin he found on the beach, in a good way he must have given a fuck about her for a long time, well, he was in love, well, yes we had sex once, but then your father died, you dropped out of life for a few months, you come back, and she's already messing with your friend, and her phrase "I tried to write to you a couple of times, but I never wrote", the girl of the year is simple, here she is a real "love", or. But Martha is certainly good in a swimsuit, there's no arguing. Why not put Francisca's head on Martha's body, and fire in general.
@Otoha20: everything about Martha is straight to the point, you can still understand that young Jonas stuck to her after such an easy betrayal, but to believe that a straight grown man carried this feeling of love with him through his whole life? There are two options, or there will be something else, or the guy is in trouble and he likes to cherish his dreams. That is, not Martha herself, but her image in my head. Something like that Oo
It seems to me that there will be something else connected with Marta, perhaps she will help Jonas in some way. It seems to me that there is a reason why she plays Ariadne in the theater, the girl from mythology who helped Perseus get out of the labyrinth with the help of her red thread. We have not yet been told how the red thread appeared in the cave, but very often in the series both the thread and the image of Ariadne flashed)) I think they will explain everything to us further.
@MadinaSadirova: You've noticed the red thread very clearly, bravo! I will add that in the voiceover monologue (on behalf of Adam, if I understand correctly) it was said about the red thread that binds all the events of all times together! Well, Martha is obviously going to be here/He is one of the main characters along with Jonas! And this play about Perseus and Ariadne is also not for nothing! Once again, I'm amazed at how well thought out everything in the script is, or rather, there are no small things here, everything is important and sooner or later it goes off!
All the scenes of Jonas the traveler with his father are a wild and endless pain. Is that how the Germans do it? to stab at the heart, and all the insides are open? there are simply no words. and it seems that all our suspicions are confirmed, and all the travelers in the photo are familiar characters.
This series needs to be given all the awards in the world, I can't imagine what kind of genius person could have come up with all this! The series is very strong and sad, I want to hug all the characters and pat them on the head.
@stumpsy: It doesn't fit in my head either, I don't think one person could have done such a thing, it's definitely teamwork! But still, endless bravo! 👏👏
the most intense and coolest episode of the season..For now! It was so great to see them all before the tragedy, everything is so vivid, a lot of nuances just open up.
Finally Ulrich from 2019, finally Magnus with even shorter hair!
and yet Claudia is dark about something, since Adam and Magnus are already there, they hardly want to harm him. He sent Jonas to fix everything, and then this Claudia and everything is the same.
by the way, it turned out to be very funny to accelerate the relationship with Marta, so that in life we would hop from the future and give us a boost, only to the present))
even the game was spun...the kid was rushing to save his dad at the cost of his life, but they tell him that everything is as it should have been, but he could just take a knife in the kitchen and stick it in his throat...
It was a sad episode, it turned out that my father was not going to die, but then he had to, because a gray-haired grandmother came and said that Adam was evil and she was good, and Jonas believed, although it had long been clear that no one could be trusted, everyone was plotting their own intrigues, and it was unclear what to do, because so that you I did not choose, most likely this is what leads to becoming Adam.
I've been in tears several times during this episode. While I was watching the entire first and previous episodes of season 2, I didn't understand what I was missing, but after watching this episode, I understood everything. I really wanted to see a father-son meeting, and for a second I even believed that Jonas would be able to save Mikkel/Mikael. The actor who plays the adult Mikkel / Mikael is simply gorgeous, everything came together in him, all the inevitability of what was going to happen, all the bitterness and pain from losing his family and never being able to reunite with her again, longing and sadness from loneliness and being out of place. I really don't want to part with the series because this story has already become truly dear and close. I turn on the standby mode for season 3 in advance.
Jonas: You and I are meant for each other. Martha: Yes, you're right. Jonas * ends up in a mental hospital for two months* Marta *jumps on Jonas' fucking best friend*
@Yokoya: She didn't know he was in a mental hospital-she thought he'd left her and gone to France. These are teenagers, komon - of course, she "out of spite" immediately started dating someone who had a crush on her.
@mivavi: She decided that he had left her and went to France. According to the official version from Bartosz, he actually went there for an exchange, and not for permanent residence, so that one could think so. You can wait a couple of months. Although, these are teenagers, yes.
The moment when the realization comes that Michael will have to commit suicide is priceless. You just realize all the pain that Jonas is experiencing right now. I came to talk my father out of suicide, but in the end I pushed him...
It's only now that I realize how much has changed during this time. It's just the perfect move by the scriptwriters to show the audience how it all started (or how it ended).
The series is simply space! but! if Mikkel is Martha's brother and Jonas' father, then Jonas is Martha's nephew...... I don't know what else to write here....
@postarchitect: Jonas himself has said this many times. And to his grandmother, who is not a grandmother at all, he shouted the same thing. But in principle, according to the law, they can even get married. Aunt and uncle are not considered such close relatives, although from the point of view of genetics it is better not to do so.
I was so glad to see at the beginning of the episode how happy most of the characters are, especially Jonas, after (before?) that fucker he had to go through! And how hopeless you feel towards the end of the episode! The scriptwriters and actors are above all praise! Even though my brain screams and feels insignificant after every episode, I think this is the best and most confusing piece of work I've ever seen! 10/10
And once again I'm giving a standing ovation, well, what kind of similar actors they choose. When they showed these two at the end, I immediately realized that the man was Magnus. And what a sweet adult Mikael is, I really wonder how he and someone like Hannah got together, so far apart from each other - she's so poisonous, and on the contrary, he's the sweetest darling.
Against the backdrop of the sprawling plot, all these endless loops and everything else, somehow I got lost, but why were the murders of boys necessary? How are they connected to everything else that is happening now? Everything else seems to be clear at the moment. But not about the murders anymore. Adam tells Noah that Noah is using Helge to kidnap children. If Adam already has this black contraption underground there in 1921, plus a passage through the caves in the future (I don't take the machine into account, because if I'm not mistaken, it belongs to the camp of forces led by Claudia, they assembled it). So why would Adam need another time machine in a bunker in 1986, when there was already a passage through the caves at that time? And a hole of its own. And how children should contribute to the operation of this electric chair^W time machine. And why did sheep and birds have ruptured eardrums in 1986 and birds in 2019, just like children. Children, of course, after roasting on a chair like that. And the animals? Not every time transition causes the death of animals. Otherwise, when teenagers from 2020 were driven into the past and returned back, at least in one of the times the animals died. But there was nothing like that.
@chester_nove: If Adam already has an underground black contraption there, it was already in 1921. ------------------------------------------------------ He has it at that moment in 1921, which Jonas got into. This thing had to be built somehow by this point, it didn't come from the ceiling there. As I understand it, all the actions were necessary to end up with this stuff (without which traveling to a specific point is impossible, only for exactly 33 years back and forth)
@OhneName: Yes, I think it is! And the boys were needed precisely as guinea pigs in the construction of this shaitan machine! But it's still unclear how exactly roasting the boys could advance this process. After all, the basis of this machine is the dark matter/particle of God, aka the Higgs boson!
I cried more for this episode than for all the previous ones. That the scene with Marta and the elder Jonas, that his meeting with his father is painful. Hug your father and realize that tomorrow he will be gone. And then realize that it's all your fault. Horror.
Claudia said that she had been "waiting for many years to meet Jonas." If this cycle repeats, then why couldn't she have done it before? I don't fully understand her role in all of this. Is she "timeless"? After all, in 53, Noah killed her. I'm confused
By the way, there are few comments about how wonderfully Louis Goffman plays. He conveys emotions so well: fear, confusion, despair, tenderness, that you completely get into the scenes.
I'm watching it a second time and I'm still in the same shock! I no longer wonder how it could have been thought out like that. The screenwriters are brilliant, period.
Tears flow from the reunion of father and son. I also resent why Jonas decided to let his father die after all, and didn't even try to change anything. This is the case where he could, but decided to trust Claudia, whom he sees for the first time in his life.:(
There are 2 episodes left, and I'm finally starting season 3, after a year of waiting. I can't believe it!
God, if I felt really sorry for Mikkel in the first season, imagine what's going on now. To live my whole life in complete shit, knowing that everything will go down the drain and it will spin endlessly. Poor kid (and not a kid anymore either).
Jonas's actor played the hugging scene with his father very well and CORRECTLY, how he hugged Mikkel hard and did not let go, how he "sniffed", it was very beautiful.
Episode after episode just undermines the brain 😳 it's 14-47 now, and I've already watched almost the entire season during this time, it's impossible to tear myself away!! Without waiting for the credits, just click on the next episode!!
@versionofsonia1: And I pause to read/write comments and it takes longer than the episode lasts)) But otherwise there is no complete satisfaction from watching this particular series!
— If the world came to an end and everything started all over again, what would you wish for? — A world without Winden. Hmm... Is Hannah the sponsor of an alternate history without a bunch of characters that Claudia saw?
@yttary: Ha, I reviewed it first. And this phrase (about a world without Winden) in the film is spoken first by young Ulrich, back in the second episode, and not by Hannah.
It's brilliant. And damn sad. It's always very difficult to put out emotions and thoughts from watching this series, because there are too many of them. I'm just shocked by the genius of the script, the actors, the shooting, everything. It is very painful for the fate of each character, so much suffering. The only thing I don't like about Martha is anything at all.
Incest is a family matter) If I were Peter, I would also choose a trance, he would be cuter... I'm very sorry for Mikkel/Michael's fate in this whole story. I won't stop repeating what suitable actors were found who looked like each other. This series provides more answers than anything that came before. It was very cool.
I was wondering who the rest of the people in the collective photo "Sic Mundus" were, I thought they were just extras, but it turned out that they weren't... If it's Magnus, is Franziska there? It turns out that the rest of the people in the photo are already familiar characters, most likely.
To the point of tears right😥😥 The series is incredibly interesting At one point, I even thought about what if I could save Mikkel. But it's worth thanking the creators, because the final turn of events is very thoughtful, although it's sad to realize it. 😭😭😭
In this series, Jonas moved from 1921 to 2019, that is, 98 years ahead. It turns out that this lump of energy is able to move to any point in time. It's sad that the very elegant theory of the 33-year cycle, the restoration of the position of the planets, and other things that Charlotte talked about in season 1 is being destroyed.
the question arose as to how Mikkel knows his exact time of disappearance, and indeed how it is known..The only thing that the elder Mikkel knows is from Jonas.. It's also interesting how what Mikkel saw as a child affected his future, for example, they named Jonas that way because they wanted to name him that way or because he knew it was necessary.. makes you confused..
In general, when old Magnus was shown at the end (and next to him a red-haired grandmother, apparently Franziska) It suddenly occurred to me that this whole sect is themselves, and the series will end with them getting together and deciding to become a sect and keep the flow of time as it should, sending their previous versions into the cycle of
Please, the series, don't do this, let my delusional theories remain delusional, as long as it's completely hopeless.
Still, I believe-I hope-I expect Adam or Claudia to have an ace up their sleeve, like slipping the wrong pages of a diary, although there is almost zero hope for this, given that the entire series shows us invincible time.
Still on the rights of nonsense: the sectarians led by Adam HAVE ALREADY saved the city (the explosion at the nuclear power plant is painfully similar to the black hole that appears when moving through time), but they remained to monitor the course of events themselves and guide younger versions of themselves as they should, because this is the only option to move the inhabitants of the city far into the future/ the past. About
@Shunnimi: saved from what? They destroyed it, but they could have gone to any point in time to live their lives, which they probably did, at this stage of knowledge about this cinematic universe
The story of Mikkel/Michael is just a fierce injustice and hopelessness, I'm so sorry for him. Everyone else is still somehow twitching, trying to fix something (even if in vain), they at least have the illusion of a choice. And he, initially one of the "brightest", sweetest characters in this town, is doomed to be abducted, to live in complete moral solitude and to die at the suggestion of his beloved son (
@Nagini_177: Oh yeah, I'm getting high on that too. It's only with the color of Jonas's eyes that the puncture came out, or so it seems to me. But I definitely like the actors. By the way, I even checked the actors to see if they were related.
It's a bit strange that Claudia's appearance hasn't been affected by frequent time travel. Like Adam's, for example. Or like he just moved a lot more often? 🤔
After all, this could mean not the fact of the movements themselves, but the events that happened because of them. Like a bullet in my leg and a rope around my neck
Bitches, they're constantly manipulating Jonos with Martha's help. And what kind of nonsense is this "I saw the world without you"? How could she see such a world? It looks more like another manipulation.
Of course, the series is psychologically unreliable in many ways in terms of characters, but you can forgive that, because the minimum task is to paint and show the main plot, and to give something beyond that is a task for very creative geniuses. But now I can't help but write how unconvincing Jonas's departure and Mikkel's humility look. It only works if at the same time the first one gets all the feelings knocked out, and the second one loses the instinct of self-preservation. They don't have a clear and well-formed awareness of the super task to be led to it right away.
Ironically, it was Jonas who transported Mikkel to 86, where he became Michael. And it was Jonas who pushed Michael to suicide. And all this is for the sake of Jonas existing in this timeline.
They never mentioned who wrote that book, but I think it was Claudia. Most likely, she moved into the future and printed out the news, as she did in 2020, and then wrote down what was going on. In order to know what to expect and what can be changed. But it has already been explained in the series that because of travel, it is difficult to determine the author of a thing that has moved through time. And she said she saw a world without Jonas. But I think it was a way of manipulating Jonas.
It's not clear with Jonas and Mikael, it could happen in any subsequent loop. But not for the first time Jonas couldn't take him away, since he basically didn't exist at any time interval. To turn out to be the most original Jonas in 2019, that is, roughly speaking, to live his first linear life. There had to be someone who wasn't Jonas to take Mikael to the cave. Because the key to Jonas' birth is Mikael in the cave.
That is, in fact, if Jonas Mikael hadn't been taken to the cave, there would have been no Jonas to take him to the cave. And this is illogical even within the framework of the series.
@SofieSK: time is not linear. And what existed before - the chicken or the egg is not known. And the watchmaker was talking about it. So there was no first loop circle.
In the end, I recognized Magnus right away (the casting director of the series is awesome). And judging by the color of her hair, Francisca is next to her. I'm most worried about Magnus and Bartosz... How will things work out for them. And to whom they will eventually turn out to be parents and relatives in general ... And finally shed at least some light on the story of Alexander's appearance in the city. Apparently, that inspector will lose an eye helping Alexander. Mikkel and Jonas are even worse than Mikkel and Ulrich. His heart was in tatters, even though it was immediately clear that Mikkel would hang himself anyway...
Th-t is not clear. What the hell did Kladiya do to Jonas? The dude has suffered so much. At least let him get out of the hellish loop. Moreover, it is a paradox and should not exist in principle. I would have saved the world myself. Or was he needed to save her daughter? And it's strange that Adam didn't tell him that this granny would talk him out of it. Was he just lying about his intentions?
After this series, I need to watch Doctor Who as a therapeutic tool, so that at least time travel ends more or less well on the screen (although who am I kidding, I cried myself over some plot twists of DC, but still the series is much lighter, especially compared to the Darkness)
In general, Darkness is a great series, I'm very glad that I finally got to it, and yes, it's somewhat similar to my favorite Twin Peaks.
This is the first time I'm writing a comment here, but it's worth it! Darkness is simply the best TV series!!! Damn, I'm very glad that I started watching it , and lately I've been finding very good European TV series!
The first season was very confusing and I couldn't even remember half of the characters, but in the second season everything was somehow resolved and I no longer go to see who is who!
This episode was very difficult, so sad to realize everything! The meeting between Jonas and his father is just tears🤧
Poor Jonas. I was hoping to change something, even to my own detriment, but no, everything is as it should be. I burst into tears at the meeting of father and son, and from the fact that the son himself pushed his father to commit suicide😔 Really, after the previous episode, I was waiting for some changes to begin in the past, present and future.
I'm reviewing the series, and just now I got the idea. Little Mikkel knew that Jonas' father had hanged himself. So in the future, when he grew into Michael, he had to figure out that he would hang himself. He was just so surprised by Jonas' words that he came to talk him out of it. As if he didn't know what would happen in the end... He couldn't have forgotten such a detail. Especially since she's connected to him...
@DoberAnts26: He told him that it was only when he saw Mikkel that he began to put together fragments and memories. And the brain could have deliberately not revealed such terrible things. Psychologically
@DoberAnts26: I'm not at all sure that an 11-year-old kid should remember that the father of his brother's friend once hanged himself there six months ago!
I didn't really understand how Claudia's appearance made Jonas immediately believe her. After all, it would have been possible to keep his father alive, but later take Mikkel back to the past under some other pretext, if Eric had not disappeared. It's just that if you believe your two versions, there's still a reason, then Claudia doesn't seem to be anyone to him yet.
@Arrivera: I thought exactly the same thing. The trip to the cave wasn't because of Michael's death. And also considering that he was "on topic" and didn't really shine anyway, well, he would have continued to live the same way. And I also wanted to learn more from Claudia about the "world without Jonas" than the "mysteriously disapproving" head shake. And then it turns out that "Adam is bad, he forced you *implicitly* to repeat all the events," and now Claudia comes and openly says that "let's repeat it, otherwise you're still us (to whom???) you need " X_X" AND THEN WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE? At what point in these "indestructible events" will it be possible for Jonas to change something? 0 information. Just "believe." The fucking sect-_-
It's a shame that they played on the feelings of a boy who is clearly now unable to immediately notice inconsistencies or understand in time that since his father reacts so surprised to the message about the letter, then let him already mention it, the content itself could not be shown! Although imho this is generally a ten-step detail that does not solve anything. And since Jonas wouldn't have jumped anywhere in the end, only his "jumping" version would have fit and he would have continued to live peacefully with his father. EASY -_-
@vk922554: it would be fine if she just "shines" - tragicomedy is not made of this and they are not going to "kansel" anyone XD On the contrary, she was touched by the thought that Magnus was ready to rush to save her)
@Nocturne: but just before that, behind a tree, he masturbated on her)) It's hardly noticeable, and I actually thought that he just walked away a little bit. But when you notice the facial expressions on his face, you realize what he's doing there, ahah
Shortly There are two camps here. Sik mundus, who created this cave and were horrified by all these endless time loops and Claudia's camp (let's call it that). Claudia believes that everything should be the way it is. The past affects the present, the future affects the present and the past, and so on. They say that everything that happened, all these twists of time, is the natural course of events affecting each other. That Mikel had to get into the past, Michael had to hang himself. But if you think like Claudia, then you already feel sorry for Jonas, who is just the main character of these monstrous loops that took everything from him and even more. The time that gave him life took away his life and forced him to play by the rules of time all his life, which is why he wants to break it all... Claudia says that it will be even worse without Jonas, but then the logical question is what could be worse than the explosion of the nuclear power plant and the post-apocalypse. Does Adam really want to destroy not only the loops, but the whole world that has ruined his entire normal life? Maybe that's why Claudia is preparing younger versions against Adam? And if so, what chance is there of defeating the one created by time? If everything in time is predetermined and the events in the present, future and past are constantly the same, what is Claudia's chance of defeating Adam and what is Adam's chance of doing what he wants? Based on the above, the winner in this game is predetermined in advance and determined by his time. It can be either Claudia, or the elder or younger Jonas, or Adam, or anyone else. In short, if we believe predestination, we see a plot in which the past, present and future are one, and therefore none of them can defeat time or influence it / events, no matter what goals they pursue. Everything will happen as it should be. Will people beat time, or will time beat people?
It was very interesting to look at the events before the main story, but nevertheless, there are still questions like, is this also part of the cycle? Why did Jonas change his mind about Marta, because he was running away from her like a leper when he found out that she was his aunt. What was the point of the kiss if Marta ended up screwing with Bartosz? It looks strange that Inez and Catalina are wearing Mikkel on their arms. It's still unclear why Mikkel had to kill himself, what did it change? And how can we talk about the end of the cycle if everything is going as always, not a single event has changed.
@Demausol: I thought that Jonas was sure that he would be able to dissuade Mikkel from drinking, so he "said goodbye" to Marta, because one of the scenarios was his disappearance.
God, the episode is just for crying, really It was the last good day of Jonas' life. 💔💔💔💔💔💔💔 How the poor boy managed to suffer, it breaks my heart, I so wanted Mikkel not to hang himself/ get lost, and at the same time, that Jonas was alive, healthy and happy. And anyway, to make everyone happy 💔 And Ulrich and Hannah were already cheating on their wives/husbands. It's disgusting.
How many more times will we be shown the Jonas and Marta sex scene in all possible variations? 😩 We already realized that they had it , that's enough, please))
What bastards Ulrich and Hannah are. One has a son with rubella, the other has a husband who committed suicide. And these are busy with their own affairs...
@id142784487: Hannah didn't know about her husband yet. He was hanging himself at that time. But even after his death, she continued. And when Jonas asked her if she loved her father, he realized that she didn't. I've never loved you.
Jonas seems to want to change everything, but in the end he does everything to make tragic events repeat themselves. It is not clear why he persuaded his father to commit suicide. And why did you steal Mikel? Yes, he would not have been born then, but Adam would not have been there either
But for me, the moment remained unclear, why did Michael have to hang himself? He had been living in parallel with himself for many years, and everything was normal. The guys went to the cave (a few months later, when Jonas returned from the psychiatric hospital), because that's not why. Well, the man would have lived on. The guys would have gone there anyway, probably, and the cycle would have started. What's the point of hanging yourself?
Unless, if it weren't for this initial event, there would be some important details missing in the lives of the characters (in the future and the past), which further twists the story.
Anyway, I get it. It was possible not to hang Michael, but then there would simply be no series, that is, this conflict was specially made solely for the sake of showing such an idea and such a plot of the series. The authors and screenwriters are geniuses 👍
It's amazing how the thought process starts when watching the series! And while writing comments, common sense often comes and everything becomes clear. 🙂
@NEOSET: Yes, that's right, Novikov's principle of fucking self-consistency) After all, a son from the future came to him (Michael) with information that he would hang himself. That is, it has already happened in the future, it is a fact. And at that point in time, Michael already understood that if something changed in the course of events, then everything would go according to a certain place and Jonas would not be born. He couldn't allow this to happen, and therefore, in fact, he had no choice!
Still, it's not clear why kill yourself. It would be one thing if Jonas had unwittingly caused some kind of accident that would have killed Michael, but he just talked about the future, which for Michael is just a story. That is, his free will remained to choose what to do. And just like that, at the same hour, he decides to hang himself. A normal person, who had not prepared for this at first, would not have decided so quickly.
@SergeyKaravay: Well, he's not normal even once! He is a kid who has moved into the past, who grew up at the same time with his parents, and then lived in parallel and next to himself as a little boy. So-so for a normal person)
I don't know, I still wouldn't have tried to persuade him to hang himself, and I wouldn't have believed Claudia. After all, we already know what happens if he hangs himself, so we need to find out what happens if he doesn't hang himself... right? right. why repeat the same cycle?…
Everything is cool, but I didn't really like one moment. Adam arranges a mega show for Jonas Jr. with Baroque bunkers and Higgs bosons, lays out his plan and directs it to the starting position. But at the last moment, a crazy grandmother, unknown to him, bursts into Jonas's house, tells him to redo everything, and in the same second they change their plan.. Somehow it was summed up abruptly as for me
Claudia arrives and supposedly confronts Adam. She tries to convince Jonas that he shouldn't save Mikael. What's the point for her if Mikael himself realized that if he didn't take his own life, then Jonas wouldn't be born? He had already made his decision. He chose his son. He couldn't help but do it. He couldn't choose himself. So how did she stand up to Adam in this scene? Her performance didn't make any sense. Adam and Jonas are still alive, but Mikael is not.
Adam sent Jonas back in time, right at this time. And of course Jonas will try to save his father. But his attempt is the real reason for his death. This is Adam's plan. And it was perfectly implemented. Adam divorced himself young.
Mikael is a character that the scriptwriters decided to mock. At first, he was forcibly moved to the past. Then, in the future, they were tricked into hanging themselves (and the proof is that if M. lives, then D. will not?). A difficult fate.
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267, they already know what will turn out
But Mikkel's story is very sad and frightening.
it seems to have been extended for a third season, but I want them to finish earlier,
because such series from a large number of seasons, alas, begin to fill with all sorts of slag.
https://tvguru.ru/news/8345-tma-3-sezon-data-vyhoda-i-pervye-podrobnosti/
Franziska saw her father in the trailer of a prostitute, a couple of episodes ago she said that she was helping this man get prescriptions for medicines, and he was helping her, but what was his help, I wonder if he put something like letters in the box?
It turns out that Alexander, Regina's husband, is connected with the murders of 33 years ago, hence the identity change.
Claudia, like Dumbledore, appears with another inspiring speech, from which nothing is clear :D
At the beginning of the series and in the middle, everyone is so happy, the families are still fine, the neighbors are friends with each other, you look at all this and it becomes sad that it is a millimeter away from the full tin that will happen next.
But with Alexander, another question arose: two criminals are wanted, which means that he most likely called one-eyed (probably two-eyed) to resolve the issue with his accomplice.
They're not that happy, it's just that things haven't come out yet. Peter and Charlotte have problems, Michael is really bad, Ulrich is cheating on Hannah (by the way, maybe she decided that Mikel is from Michael and is taking revenge?) etc. The only happy ones, and even then because of their youth, are Marta and Jonas.
A very strong series. And even if you have to pause ten times per episode to download the information you've received in your head, it's definitely worth the time. I haven't watched a TV series so seriously since Twin Peaks. 👍
I thought that after Twin Peaks, nothing would be so impressive. And it's a good thing I was wrong. Over the past two months, two TV series have succeeded at once.
My joint. I opened the wrong episode, please stop.
It's good that it's hard to see here
Although it is clear that if he finds out a couple of days before his disappearance that it was not Jonas, but his copy, which is now sitting at the table in front of him, then why not somehow attack him so that he does not go into the woods. I don't think old Claudia would have given any kind of rebuff. Well, it's just very strange when someone tells you that they're trying to break the cycle, and then you agree that everything should take its course.. Jonas with the scar is crying that he tried to fix something here and spoilt his father, so you take it and help him without killing yourself and not letting him into the forest in a couple of days.
It's been a long time since my soul suffered so much for the heroes, at the moment when Jonas and Mikkel hugged, there was a lump in my throat and tears involuntarily rolled down. I really like it!
1 - it's becoming more and more clear, because if we compare seasons 1 and 2, we didn't know anything.
2 - you're looking at it and you're freaking out
after this sentence, I sat for about five minutes with my mouth open and my hands pressed to my face..... there are just no words to spin the plot like that.... It's just incredible AHHH!!!!!
, because no matter what they do, everything turns out as usual
. I don't know if there's a way to "fix" everything, but changing something can make it even worse
, and what's most interesting is at what point Jonas turns into Adam.
and besides Jonas, they are also "guiding someone on the right path." because apparently erasing Jonas alone won't stop the apocalypse or whatever they're going to stop. and it seems that it is necessary to trace the actions of ALL the people who came into contact with Jonas (or even with the Nielsen family?)
this is just some kind of thousand-headed hydra turns out.
and to stop this "thousand-headed hydra" mechanism, where you cut off one connection and another, even more terrible, immediately grew up - do you need to chop all the heads at once? to all participants of time travel at once? Not just Jonas?
and these displaced people are already there with a wagon and a small cart.
And maybe the suggestion that everyone join hands and jump off a cliff before the cycle starts can't even be considered? xDD
I feel very sorry for his father. And Jonas himself.
And I don't trust Claudia (this granny). It seems to me that she and Adam are of the same berry field.
1) he's just a teenager who got into an unthinkable shit with time loops,
2) left all alone,
3) visited 2052 and 1921,
4) he was almost hanged,
5) and it all started with the fact that his father committed suicide, and his brother disappeared.
6) Oh, yes, he was also treated in a mental hospital.
It seems to me that he has the right to be led, doesn't it?
It turns out that if Jonas hadn't come to his dad, then his dad wouldn't have taken his own life, and Adam knew all this would
happen, yeah, yeah, Claudia saw the world without Jonas, maybe she didn't see at all
, something here again is not clean! and it's not clear where the evil is and where the good
is, well, and the end of the series is so tough, maybe it's true that Jonas aka Adam is not so bad?! It's not clear, the intrigue is still active - and that's cool
, but it's also cool that the old magnus looks like the young one. very cool cast selection!
There are no words, it's just the best TV series forever&ever.
The series is very heavy, probably the heaviest for the entire series (more precisely, the first and incomplete second). It is impossible to watch how Jonas dissuades his father from suicide, while pushing him to do so with "instructions". I don't know, my head is all mixed up with emotions. There are 2 episodes left, and then a year of waiting.. But I want to say again how cool the Germans did. And yes, it's better to watch in the original with subtitles, it just adds unrealistically to the atmosphere.
Yes, so we've revealed the answers to 2 questions from the first season: how did Mikkel technically move to 1986 (before that, it was generally believed that Helge moved him) and why did Michael hang himself? (There were a lot of versions about this, but none of them were correct.)
I'm really into aku too, as far as the storylines are thought out! And here is not a two-dimensional Santa Barbara, there is also a third dimension in the form of time, where not only the past affects the present and the future, but also the present affects the future and the past, and the future affects the past and the present))
And so far everything is not just interconnected, but also self-consistent! I can't even imagine how it's possible to write such a script! 👏
I was really looking forward to the episodes with Jonas' father. (
>> https://www.tunefind.com/show/dark/season-1/54818
It's unrealistically simple.
How everything is wrapped up and planned out
And the idea of seeing everything "Before" the start of the events of the series just raised the tension to a new level!
The meeting between Jonas and his father is simple 😭
But the way the scriptwriters have just twisted it, that Jonas took Mikkel to the cave, blew my mind. Really, looking at it, you think you understand, but with each subsequent episode it turns out the opposite. Fire!
- Yes, he saved my life.
c) "Darkness" season 1.
Surprisingly, the story is so well thought out, there are no holes in the script, it's just a delight!
It turns out Magnus is with Adam, and the woman next to him, is it really Francisca? Or Martha? Why didn't the apocalypse kill everyone and most of them just moved to 1921?
It's a pity that the third season of the series will be the final one, I would always watch and dig into these intricacies from the writers.
By the way, does this sex mean that Jonas the average's dreams are his memories?
Jonas 1 didn't have sex with Marta, did he? Or do I have to review the first season again...
in short, if it wasn't, then Jonas 1 and Jonas the average are different Jonas, and the last cycle is already underway? What kind of cycles are there if Claudia saw the world without Jonas?
Alexander Tideman flashes too often in recent episodes, it's all for a reason.
It's just fucked up, in short, quoting the comment above, I was trying so hard to figure something out that my head hurt.
And the most annoying and beautiful thing is that by the time the third season comes out, I'll forget everything again, and I'll have to review everything.
Fuck, goodbye.
He probably was. At the moment, everything in the series is predetermined. And there is not a single event that breaks out of all these loops. But there is also a more specific reason related to this particular case. I can't remember exactly, but Jonas and Marta have a dialogue somewhere in the first season, where they talk about what they had last summer. The first kiss and sex are quite suitable for this "something" that could be remembered like that.
Jonas 1 didn't have sex with Marta, did he?
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What makes you think that? They just didn't show us this moment before, now they have. That's exactly what happened before Michael's suicide in the first episode, that's how everyone's day went, it just stayed behind the scenes.
And once again, they smartly selected an actor for the role of a grown-up character, bravo. How do they do it?
It's a pity that Ulrich and Hannah's pussies itched at the same time, as for me Ulrich and Katarina are a good couple (it's a good couple, not good people), I really liked their interactions with each other in this series and their love line in their youth. Okay, Hannah, she's been pining for him for a long time, but Ulrich could have thought with his head, and not with another place, he would have suffered in the end until his wife's period ends and she shaves and makes out with another woman on the anniversary - this is a fiasco, of course.
I also consider the relationship between Martha and Jonas to be a dubious love line, but for some reason Martha is constantly being reminded of Jonas as an important person to him, and Adam still keeps the coin he found on the beach, in a good way he must have given a fuck about her for a long time, well, he was in love, well, yes we had sex once, but then your father died, you dropped out of life for a few months, you come back, and she's already messing with your friend, and her phrase "I tried to write to you a couple of times, but I never wrote", the girl of the year is simple, here she is a real "love", or. But Martha is certainly good in a swimsuit, there's no arguing. Why not put Francisca's head on Martha's body, and fire in general.
And the girls are both pretty, but each in her own way.
It seems to me that there will be something else connected with Marta, perhaps she will help Jonas in some way. It seems to me that there is a reason why she plays Ariadne in the theater, the girl from mythology who helped Perseus get out of the labyrinth with the help of her red thread. We have not yet been told how the red thread appeared in the cave, but very often in the series both the thread and the image of Ariadne flashed)) I think they will explain everything to us further.
You've noticed the red thread very clearly, bravo! I will add that in the voiceover monologue (on behalf of Adam, if I understand correctly) it was said about the red thread that binds all the events of all times together!
Well, Martha is obviously going to be here/He is one of the main characters along with Jonas! And this play about Perseus and Ariadne is also not for nothing! Once again, I'm amazed at how well thought out everything in the script is, or rather, there are no small things here, everything is important and sooner or later it goes off!
gorgeous, brilliant
А ты хорош )))
there are simply no words.
and it seems that all our suspicions are confirmed, and all the travelers in the photo are familiar characters.
It doesn't fit in my head either, I don't think one person could have done such a thing, it's definitely teamwork! But still, endless bravo! 👏👏
It was so great to see them all before the tragedy, everything is so vivid, a lot of nuances just open up.
Finally Ulrich from 2019, finally Magnus with even shorter hair!
and yet Claudia is dark about something, since Adam and Magnus are already there, they hardly want to harm
him. He sent Jonas to fix everything, and then this Claudia and everything is the same.
I really don't want to part with the series because this story has already become truly dear and close. I turn on the standby mode for season 3 in advance.
Martha: Yes, you're right.
Jonas * ends up in a mental hospital for two months*
Marta *jumps on Jonas' fucking best friend*
According to the official version from Bartosz, he actually went there for an exchange, and not for permanent residence, so that one could think so. You can wait a couple of months. Although, these are teenagers, yes.
I came to talk my father out of suicide, but in the end I pushed him...
Well, yes, as Adam said, everything is predetermined and we depend on time) He wants to become ABOVE time, to be in charge.
Adam tells Noah that Noah is using Helge to kidnap children. If Adam already has this black contraption underground there in 1921, plus a passage through the caves in the future (I don't take the machine into account, because if I'm not mistaken, it belongs to the camp of forces led by Claudia, they assembled it). So why would Adam need another time machine in a bunker in 1986, when there was already a passage through the caves at that time? And a hole of its own. And how children should contribute to the operation of this electric chair^W time machine.
And why did sheep and birds have ruptured eardrums in 1986 and birds in 2019, just like children. Children, of course, after roasting on a chair like that. And the animals?
Not every time transition causes the death of animals. Otherwise, when teenagers from 2020 were driven into the past and returned back, at least in one of the times the animals died. But there was nothing like that.
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He has it at that moment in 1921, which Jonas got into. This thing had to be built somehow by this point, it didn't come from the ceiling there. As I understand it, all the actions were necessary to end up with this stuff (without which traveling to a specific point is impossible, only for exactly 33 years back and forth)
Yes, I think it is! And the boys were needed precisely as guinea pigs in the construction of this shaitan machine! But it's still unclear how exactly roasting the boys could advance this process. After all, the basis of this machine is the dark matter/particle of God, aka the Higgs boson!
Claudia said that she had been "waiting for many years to meet Jonas." If this cycle repeats, then why couldn't she have done it before? I don't fully understand her role in all of this. Is she "timeless"? After all, in 53, Noah killed her. I'm confused
In general, they picked up the right actor.
Tears flow from the reunion of father and son.
I also resent why Jonas decided to let his father die after all, and didn't even try to change anything. This is the case where he could, but decided to trust Claudia, whom he sees for the first time in his life.:(
There are 2 episodes left, and I'm finally starting season 3, after a year of waiting. I can't believe it!
And I pause to read/write comments and it takes longer than the episode lasts))
But otherwise there is no complete satisfaction from watching this particular series!
Those who did this did an incredible job (or just all Germans look the same)
Script, cast, acting, atmosphere, soundtracks, color scheme, etc., etc.
— A world without Winden.
Hmm... Is Hannah the sponsor of an alternate history without a bunch of characters that Claudia saw?
If I were Peter, I would also choose a trance, he would be cuter...
I'm very sorry for Mikkel/Michael's fate in this whole story.
I won't stop repeating what suitable actors were found who looked like each other.
This series provides more answers than anything that came before. It was very cool.
The series is incredibly interesting
At one point, I even thought about what if I could save Mikkel.
But it's worth thanking the creators, because the final turn of events is very thoughtful, although it's sad to realize it. 😭😭😭
It's also interesting how what Mikkel saw as a child affected his future, for example, they named Jonas that way because they wanted to name him that way or because he knew it was necessary.. makes you confused..
Please, the series, don't do this, let my delusional theories remain delusional, as long as it's completely hopeless.
Still, I believe-I hope-I expect Adam or Claudia to have an ace up their sleeve, like slipping the wrong pages of a diary, although there is almost zero hope for this, given that the entire series shows us invincible time.
By the way, I even checked the actors to see if they were related.
Like a bullet in my leg and a rope around my neck
And what kind of nonsense is this "I saw the world without you"? How could she see such a world? It looks more like another manipulation.
Aaaaaa.... It's too confusing.
What do they all want anyway??
But now I can't help but write how unconvincing Jonas's departure and Mikkel's humility look. It only works if at the same time the first one gets all the feelings knocked out, and the second one loses the instinct of self-preservation.
They don't have a clear and well-formed awareness of the super task to be led to it right away.
And she said she saw a world without Jonas. But I think it was a way of manipulating Jonas.
But not for the first time
Jonas couldn't take him away, since he basically didn't exist at any time interval.
To turn out to be the most original Jonas in 2019, that is, roughly speaking, to live his first linear life.
There had to be someone who wasn't Jonas to take Mikael to the cave.
Because the key to Jonas' birth is Mikael in the cave.
That is, in fact, if Jonas Mikael hadn't been taken to the cave, there would have been no Jonas to take him to the cave.
And this is illogical even within the framework of the series.
And finally shed at least some light on the story of Alexander's appearance in the city. Apparently, that inspector will lose an eye helping Alexander.
Mikkel and Jonas are even worse than Mikkel and Ulrich. His heart was in tatters, even though it was immediately clear that Mikkel would hang himself anyway...
In general, Darkness is a great series, I'm very glad that I finally got to it, and yes, it's somewhat similar to my favorite Twin Peaks.
Darkness is simply the best TV series!!!
Damn, I'm very glad that I started watching it
, and lately I've been finding very good European TV series!
The first season was very confusing and I couldn't even remember half of the characters, but in the second season everything was somehow resolved and I no longer go to see who is who!
This episode was very difficult, so sad to realize everything!
The meeting between Jonas and his father is just tears🤧
I burst into tears at the meeting of father and son, and from the fact that the son himself pushed his father to commit suicide😔
Really, after the previous episode, I was waiting for some changes to begin in the past, present and future.
I'm not at all sure that an 11-year-old kid should remember that the father of his brother's friend once hanged himself there six months ago!
And I also wanted to learn more from Claudia about the "world without Jonas" than the "mysteriously disapproving" head shake. And then it turns out that "Adam is bad, he forced you *implicitly* to repeat all the events," and now Claudia comes and openly says that "let's repeat it, otherwise you're still us (to whom???) you need " X_X" AND THEN WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE? At what point in these "indestructible events" will it be possible for Jonas to change something? 0 information. Just "believe." The fucking sect-_-
It's a shame that they played on the feelings of a boy who is clearly now unable to immediately notice inconsistencies or understand in time that since his father reacts so surprised to the message about the letter, then let him already mention it, the content itself could not be shown! Although imho this is generally a ten-step detail that does not solve anything. And since Jonas wouldn't have jumped anywhere in the end, only his "jumping" version would have fit and he would have continued to live peacefully with his father. EASY -_-
But if you think like Claudia, then you already feel sorry for Jonas, who is just the main character of these monstrous loops that took everything from him and even more. The time that gave him life took away his life and forced him to play by the rules of time all his life, which is why he wants to break it all... Claudia says that it will be even worse without Jonas, but then the logical question is what could be worse than the explosion of the nuclear power plant and the post-apocalypse. Does Adam really want to destroy not only the loops, but the whole world that has ruined his entire normal life? Maybe that's why Claudia is preparing younger versions against Adam? And if so, what chance is there of defeating the one created by time? If everything in time is predetermined and the events in the present, future and past are constantly the same, what is Claudia's chance of defeating Adam and what is Adam's chance of doing what he wants? Based on the above, the winner in this game is predetermined in advance and determined by his time. It can be either Claudia, or the elder or younger Jonas, or Adam, or anyone else. In short, if we believe predestination, we see a plot in which the past, present and future are one, and therefore none of them can defeat time or influence it / events, no matter what goals they pursue. Everything will happen as it should be.
Will people beat time, or will time beat people?
It looks strange that Inez and Catalina are wearing Mikkel on their arms.
It's still unclear why Mikkel had to kill himself, what did it change?
And how can we talk about the end of the cycle if everything is going as always, not a single event has changed.
It was the last good day of Jonas' life. 💔💔💔💔💔💔💔
How the poor boy managed to suffer, it breaks my heart, I so wanted Mikkel not to hang himself/ get lost, and at the same time, that Jonas was alive, healthy and happy.
And anyway, to make everyone happy 💔
And Ulrich and Hannah were already cheating on their wives/husbands.
It's disgusting.
Adam (the elder Jonas) has not yet been shown! Waiting))
It is not clear why he persuaded his father to commit suicide. And why did you steal Mikel?
Yes, he would not have been born then, but Adam would not have been there either
The guys went to the cave (a few months later, when Jonas returned from the psychiatric hospital), because that's not why. Well, the man would have lived on. The guys would have gone there anyway, probably, and the cycle would have started.
What's the point of hanging yourself?
Unless, if it weren't for this initial event, there would be some important details missing in the lives of the characters (in the future and the past), which further twists the story.
Anyway, I get it. It was possible not to hang Michael, but then there would simply be no series, that is, this conflict was specially made solely for the sake of showing such an idea and such a plot of the series. The authors and screenwriters are geniuses 👍
It's amazing how the thought process starts when watching the series! And while writing comments, common sense often comes and everything becomes clear. 🙂
After all, a son from the future came to him (Michael) with information that he would hang himself. That is, it has already happened in the future, it is a fact. And at that point in time, Michael already understood that if something changed in the course of events, then everything would go according to a certain place and Jonas would not be born. He couldn't allow this to happen, and therefore, in fact, he had no choice!
It would be one thing if Jonas had unwittingly caused some kind of accident that would have killed Michael, but he just talked about the future, which for Michael is just a story. That is, his free will remained to choose what to do. And just like that, at the same hour, he decides to hang himself. A normal person, who had not prepared for this at first, would not have decided so quickly.
Claudia arrives and supposedly confronts Adam. She tries to convince Jonas that he shouldn't save Mikael. What's the point for her if Mikael himself realized that if he didn't take his own life, then Jonas wouldn't be born? He had already made his decision. He chose his son. He couldn't help but do it. He couldn't choose himself. So how did she stand up to Adam in this scene? Her performance didn't make any sense. Adam and Jonas are still alive, but Mikael is not.
Adam sent Jonas back in time, right at this time. And of course Jonas will try to save his father. But his attempt is the real reason for his death. This is Adam's plan. And it was perfectly implemented. Adam divorced himself young.
Mikael is a character that the scriptwriters decided to mock. At first, he was forcibly moved to the past. Then, in the future, they were tricked into hanging themselves (and the proof is that if M. lives, then D. will not?). A difficult fate.