Poor Ulrich, he only found his son, tried to return, and lost everything again (and even saw his other children on the same day). Only Mikel's fate is more tragic - he found himself in the past, having lost everyone, met his father (by the way, he seems to be the only one who recognized a loved one), lost him.. + his new mom is stuffing him with pills, as if he had to of course.
Well, at least Noah = Charlotte's father confirmed, I wonder what he's going to do next, while Adam is telling stories to Jonas.
@kobiii: and Jonas has a wonderful fate: the girl he loves is an aunt, his mother does not love his father, his father hanged himself - the usual everyday life of a German schoolboy.
@Mariya_Tkach: The series is the same. If everyone acted logically, then one episode would be enough. It's the same when Katarina could have shown a photo to her daughter, but instead she was chatting.
It turns out, Charlotte's mother is already known to us the character, otherwise Noah could say something like "she's a good woman" or "I loved her" it's fun to watch Adam, who obviously heard his own words from myself about loopholes, but I thought that the loophole in the fact that he killed his younger self and then the cycle will be interrupted and he lacks the courage each time or something like that
For some reason, it seems to me that Charlotte's mother is quite possibly even younger than her in the present tense, and indeed should be somehow connected with her. Noah said she still loves her, so if she's in the present, is it one of her relatives? One of the daughters? But this is generally too much x) If it is not in the present, then it is even more difficult.
@Andru1488: and it seems to me that Charlotte's mother is Ines. She said in the first season that her child had died, and Charlotte, as it turned out, was born very weak and few people believed that she would survive. Plus, they are somewhat similar, both have quite "sharp" facial features.
@id33135538: I'm trying to remember-when Noah was talking to Mikkel, did Inez see it or not? I thought she saw him, but then it didn't look like she knew him. On the other hand, knowledge about time travel can explain sleeping pills (because I don't see a normal explanation for pills yet).
I feel terribly sorry for Ulrich, and so does Mikkel. Ines, in her attempts to create her own family from a found child, behaves like an obsessive, so if anyone is here, the big question is who stole Mikkel from whom and whether he was lucky enough to meet her back then, in the hospital.
I'm very sorry for Ulrich and Mikkel. Both have tragic fates. The first one couldn't do anything and just watched in captivity. The second one couldn't fit in and come to terms with what had happened to him. I feel sorry for young Jonas, who tried to do something for the good, but each time his actions only led to a worsening of the situation. I believe that Charlotte's mother is Ines, as I wrote above, but this is at the level of speculation. And perhaps, since Noah is Agnes' brother, what if Adam was her husband?
@id33135538: in the 5th series we are discussing the 5th series, in the 6th - 6th, continue the chain yourself ... I want to find out information about who is not the mother of whom from the next series, and not from the comments of an inept user. before watching episode 5, it's silly to read comments on it, this is what the warning from the site is about. you note that you watched the series, comments are opened to it - you go in and read. can you feel the logic? the same logic should tell you that you should not leave comments here with plot twists from the upcoming series
the fact that you made an assumption about Iness is not a spoiler, it's your reflection, your thought, I had the same at that time (and not only me)... the essence of the comments under the series is to share guesses, but do not write after watching the next series, whether the guess was confirmed or not!
it would be great if everyone then returned to their guesses after watching the series, and wrote "Oh, how wrong I was, he will be killed in the next episode" or "wow, she's not his mother, but she's the sister of so-and-so"
it's strange that I have to explain such obvious things
@id33135538: of course, the comment that Charlotte's mother is not Inez, but someone else is a spoiler. You don't say who the mother is, but you're already introducing new information, stating a fact that people couldn't find out from watching the episode. if in episode 5 you can only guess who Charlotte's mother is and build your theories, then you destroy them with such a throw-in and thereby reduce the degree of intrigue and interest for other viewers.
After this episode, I freaked out and tried to sort out for myself the information about those of the characters who might somehow suddenly pop up and turn out to be someone we know. Maybe someone will be unimportant, but considering how everything is interconnected here, it's not a fact! I'm afraid to Google new schemes so as not to spoil anything for myself, so I might have missed some kind of relationship)) correct me if anyone notices a joint!)
So, are there any questions about these characters?: Daniel Kahnwald's wife (Ines' mother). Agnes Nielsen's husband (Tronte's father). Zhenya Noah (Charlotte's mother). Helge's wife (Peter's mother). Claudia's husband (Regina's father). Alexander's past and roots, what if he's someone's relative too? Torben and Benny's parents.
I wonder whose father and husband Jonas will become, surely this should happen?
@nkey: They also forgot two unclear characters: a girl from the future and an alien commissar who asks too many correct questions (why no one left the town, who Alexander is, etc.). But with Agnes' husband there are some clues - someone from Sic Mundus, perhaps Jonas / Adam himself.
@Dvoreckii: It's unlikely to be Jonas/Adam. because at the end of this episode, he told his younger self: "you-I-will not be born, but the rest will live, Martha will live." And if he is Agnes' husband, then he is Tronte's father, Tronte is Ulrich's father, that is, if in this scenario Jonas does not become Adam, then Tronte and Ulrich will not be born, and neither will Marta. Somehow it contradicts itself.
Another transgender person is of interest There are generally a lot of options here, it is possible for both women and men to think about who he may be in the past or the future.
@nkey: In my opinion, it's still unclear who Helge's father is. Because his mother once confessed to the priest (Noah) that Helge was not from her husband, as I understood it.
@anni713: The police chief at 21, he told the young Egon Tidemann that wives change after giving birth and one should not miss the opportunity to "pick other fruits."
In general, of course, an amazing moment: in the life of Jonas, a 30-year-old, one of the key moments is his relationship with Marta, or rather, his memories of them. That is, in fact, an adult man has nothing in his life except teenage infatuation.
When I see these experiences against the background of the events he's going through, I think, well, what kind of fucking love, I would have forgotten a long time ago, dude, you're a time traveler. 🤯 And when it's Jonas Jr., I remember about the merciless transition age, hormones, etc., well, OK then. But the average Jonas could have already outgrown these emotions)))
@sallykate: And I keep wondering where everything came from. They allegedly had something "last summer" and a few glances and a kiss as part of the series. And that's it, Martha is now the main love interest. Not enough justification)
@sallykate: WHEN TO "outgrow"? We were shown in black and white that from the moment of Jonas' first jump, this is already his "ultimate" one - he will "jump" back and forth trying to change /fix something there but not live his own life. It seems that some people are watching with their assholes or once every twenty minutes they attach importance to the events that are taking place and the rest of the time they spit at the ceiling.
But Bartosz is good after all (at the moment, I don't know what will happen next). After what his friends seemed to have done to him, he could have easily sent them to another time alone, and they would have chosen on their own.
I remembered that in the first season, the inscription "No future" constantly flashed in Ulrich's line. I wonder if this was a reference to what awaits him? That he, in fact, will not have a future?
Damn, how they turned it on! Probably the only series in many years where each episode is cooler than the previous one! That's the moment when you understand everything and at the same time realize that you don't understand anything :)
P.S. We started shooting the third season. Hopefully, it will be even more awesome than the first two :)
I'm waiting for the scene of Martha and Adam getting laid. What the hell, Egon? I thought you understood the connection between Ulrich and Mikkel. What the hell, Inez? In the first season, I was glad that Mikkel had received at least some support and care in the past, but that wasn't it. I'm terribly sorry for Ulrich.
Wow, the scriptwriters, this is a roller coaster ride, impressions jump up and down from episode to episode! The main thing I learned after this one is that no matter how infinitely holy a person may seem, there will be a skeleton in his closet, and in general it's better to think ten times before trusting someone. I just thought that the roles of the good and the bad had already been roughly parted, when suddenly everything changed, good children create game, they start saying about the good Claudia that she is bad and took advantage of everyone, Jonas is guided by the words of his old self and steps into a ball (or has he just already accepted that everything will be as it should be?), Ines starts feeding Mikkel pills for some reason... so far, I am certainly happy only for Claudia-86, she has quickly realized everything and is trying to correct mistakes in communicating with her loved ones (or is it just that I fell for a scenic trick and will soon change my mind). Only hopelessness does not let go - since these are not steps towards returning life to normal, but simply events on the timeline, regardless of the actions of the characters. Therefore, there is no way out of their loops.:( I stopped understanding the rest again and gave up hope for the next series for now. (Katarina smiled at the phrase that Hannah slept with both her husband and her son - but the meme is funny, and the situation is scary)
I also wonder who Charlotte's mother is.… Or could she be Mate Helge, it seemed to me that she looked so invitingly at Noah when he came to their house. Although it was 1953, it's not a fact that she's alive in 2020, and we haven't seen her since.
It's been a long time since I've had so many theories, riddles, and possible answers in my head when watching a series. I'm afraid to even guess what will happen next.
The nurse turned out to be another goat, but what? she became attached to the child, went crazy from loneliness and imprisonment, and you can understand, but can you forgive? and Ulrich felt sorry for him, this cop was always pushing him, he was so close to happiness, reassurance ... and Jonas, the kid completely trusted the old version of himself, and irrevocably wondering what Noah would arrange there. maybe Noah wasn't bad at all, but Adam made him do it all, and so on... it always seemed that Bartosz was a complete asshole, but he didn't seem so bad, and the question of whether it was worth destroying himself to let others live immediately reminded him of the butterfly effect Adam can't know everything, he'll slip somewhere on the most explicit
Why does everyone assume that Jonas is being "led" by Adam's words? It still seems logical. He explained that there would be no new stage without the old one. And that is, it is logical why Jonas eventually became like this, did not try to prevent the murders of children, etc., because this is the stage of improving the time machine, where the result is a black moving field. And if we really find a beginning, then there won't be all this mess, Jonas won't be born, no one will control time, everyone will live in their own years, without killing, etc.
Does it turn out that the "average" Jonas calls the "adult" Jonas Adam, even though he knows that Adam is himself in the future?
Maybe he's deliberately trying to convince the others that there is some kind of evil Adam, so that others will try to do something? That is, he gives them a direction (with whom to fight), but in what way he does not say. They have to choose for themselves. Because if the "average" Jonas knows the way, then the "adult" Jonas will know the way and will be able to do something.
If others choose a method of counteraction without the knowledge of the "average" Jonas, it turns out that the "adult" Jonas will not know what the next step his "opponents" will take.
Well, at least that's what I would do if I got into such a paradox :D
For some reason, it seems to me that Jonas will not be able to change anything ( So Charlotte is a relative of the Nilsons. My head is spinning from these family ties))
@Cheryl: We have been repeatedly informed in plain text that all 4 families are related to each other by BLOOD! And something tells me that in this series it's not just a figure of speech!))
but it seems to me (just a version) that if Jonas returns everything to normal, if Mikkel does not get into the past, if Jonas is not born, then Charlotte may not even be in the present tense, and her children will not be born. Because fuck knows what time Noah is from, and when he had a daughter, it could be absolutely any time(?)
@siennawintory: No, he just came from 1921, when there was no wormhole yet - he was one of those who built a passage in the rock. Charlotte was thrown into the future, but Noah mentions it when he meets her, saying, "Adam knew you were in this time."
4:34 I noticed Katarina has a "K+U" tattoo on her arm, cute. Or was she there last season? I don't remember anymore. For some reason, it seems that Jonas, on the contrary, will drive his father to suicide by his appearance and everything will go over again. Is Inez giving Michel Imipramine? To give such pills without the supervision of a doctor... It's already a sin for a kid not to go as a cuckoo, and even more so with taking antidepressants without a prescription. Although I don't know how such pills affect a person who doesn't need them, it's unlikely to be any positive.
@Otoha20: Of course, Jonas won't prevent his father from being cut out! At least because everything has already happened and he (Jonas) and Adam already exist! It is important to always remember that this series is NOT about alternative realities of the future, but about determinism and the principle of self-consistency, which the watchmaker spoke about in one of the episodes! And with his appearance in front of Dad on June 20, 2019, he will only become the impetus for all the subsequent events that have already happened! And I'm also wondering, how did Jonas imagine right now that I would move the day before my father's suicide and change the course of history? Didn't it even cross his mind that maybe it was his appearance that would cause his dad to be cut out?! But Adam knew that Jonas wouldn't change anything there!
Most likely, it is the young Jonas himself who will push Michael to suicide. And in the end, nothing can be changed anyway. And at the mention of Charlotte's mother: my first guess was for Martha.
@Irina26: I also don't understand yet why Martha should love Charlotte in 2019? As Noah said. But of course there may be a lot more twists with the movements of both Martha and Charlotte, then the puzzle will be formed!
And it can't be that Jonas will stop his father from hanging himself and he will also have a scar on his neck...well, as an option, it turns out that Adam is still not Jonas, but Mikel..... In general ,
I actually have a feeling that this whole town is the brainchild of two people, Adam and Eve, and they are all born from these two people, they just jump back and forth in time and are all related to each other)))) and this town of theirs is like heaven or hell, so no one left there.
Ulrich and Mikel lost their lives, it's so sad, it's just impossible, but for some reason Ulrich is stronger, to spend so many years in a mental hospital, see his son, then the rest of the children and die alone in horror tied to a bed, a terrible fate ((
By the way, yes, it's really stupid of me.😄 I just watched it on Netflix, and there are no Russian subs for the first season, so the phrase came to mind in English.
How can preventing his father's suicide break the noose, and why would Jonas suddenly have to disappear? Wouldn't it be more logical to bring Mikkel back to his time?
And I don't understand how it is at all. Flying away to look? Jonas prevented his father's suicide and now he shouldn't be born, but where will he go at this very minute? Dematerializing? And everyone will forget that he was there?
@VictoriaVoinescu: I've been thinking about this very strongly all season and in the next episode too, I don't understand why suicide is the starting point for them, Jonas will live well and if his father doesn't hang himself, won't he...
Everyone feels so sorry for Ulrich that it makes them sick, as if they preferred to forget how he mutilated an innocent boy with a stone, without any pity.
There are so many tragic fates in the series, but in this episode it is Ulrich's story that breaks the heart. Yes, he is far from perfect with all his adventures and went completely insane during his time travel, disfiguring Helge, but everything that happens in this series personally causes me sympathy. After all, he is the only one in the story with Mikel who understands what's what, while he is being held in a mental hospital, considered the last scum, whose actions have no justification. Escaping, he finally meets with his son and tries to fix the situation somehow, but nothing can be fixed - he is a murderer who kidnaps another child. It's scary to imagine what's going on in his head when he sees after a couple of moments that the older children have moved back in time, and his family finally fell apart in 2019.💔
How can Noah be Ulrich's son if he's Ulrich's grandmother's brother?) And what does "The Eldest is with him now" mean, are you talking about Francisca? She's with Magnus, Ulrich's son. In general, something took you the wrong way).
@SantaJul: I've written out where I came up with this conclusion (I made it after watching this particular episode), and now you've told everyone that this is a spoiler. -_-
You were just confused by "How can Noah be Ulrich's son if he's Ulrich's grandmother's brother?)" but this fact is not)
I was confused by this fact, because, again, we already know where Noah came from (1920), but we didn't know about Charlotte. Not yet available at the moment.
Egon, of course, is one hell of a brute. Correctly, someone wrote back under the first season that Egon subconsciously hates Ulrich, and it doesn't matter what time the latter is from. It's a shame that there are so few Oliver Masucci this season, they decided to focus on Claudia.
@SantaJul: Why cattle? Look at the situation from his side: the man was suspected of murdering two children, and he confessed that he wanted to kill Helge. he spent several decades in a psychiatric hospital, often behaves like an idiot, for example, he attacks Egon when he shows Mikkel's photo, and later escapes from the psychiatric hospital and "steals" Mikkel! it's not so easy to believe that someone is traveling through time (would you believe it yourself?), and if the person claiming this is behaving like a psycho, then it's even harder to believe him.
For some reason, it still haunts me how little Hannah looked suspiciously at her wristwatch when she spoke to Mikkel in the hospital (as if she knew that she had to approach Mikkel right now), this moment was still being watched by young Jonas. After Jonas saw Hannah and Mikkel, he decided to leave. Maybe I 'm already paranoid , but in general , little Hannah is a very nasty Persian , you can expect anything from her .
It turns out that the mute boy and the red-haired drug dealer were killed in order to plant them in 1921, Ulrich served 33 years for their murder? And by the way, it's strange that Charlotte found an article with a photo with Ulrich, but she didn't find archival files about the bodies of boys found at the NPP construction site (with photos), it was possible to identify the missing from 2019.
@Liza: The faces were badly disfigured, and the quality of the photos left much to be desired in those years. so even if she had, it's not a fact that she would have identified them.
@Liza: The dead boys were found not in 1921, but in 1953. Since they were clearly abducting boys to experiment with a time machine, I don't think their second task was to annoy Ulrich. Although, who knows, who knows
I gave the series 4 stars because I watched it a year later, ahah 😅 the first half didn't really go anywhere, I guess my brain just burned out by episode 5 from these intricacies of hd
It's a pity for Ulrich, it just happened to be at the wrong time and in the wrong place, to wait for the time that the son got to and not have time to escape, and then also to see the rest of the children, it's a triple pain.
Is there a chance that Adam is lying to Jonas that he is Jonas for the sake of his plan?Since the average Jonas is against Adam, and if the loop works, then he has already seen Adam and heard all these stories and stuff from him.And since Jonas won't let Mikel get drunk.As explained in the series, Jonas will not be born.And in fact, the Jonas barrier will simply disappear from this whole story for Adam.
It's not entirely clear how preventing Michael's suicide will change the future. This should in no way affect the fact that the red-haired guy will be kidnapped, after which Bartosh and his friends will go looking for a stash. Mikael will go back to the past again, and everything else will also repeat itself.
@137sekunden: According to the idea, no one will kidnap the redhead, because Jonas will not become Adam. He won't manipulate Noah, and he won't experiment on children trying to develop a time machine.
@smilanich: They explained it in the first season. if someone moves in the cave, there are electrical failures and some effects on birds and sheep. Birds are disoriented, sheep are dying of fear.
It's very confusing, but it makes it even more interesting...
+ It's a pity that everything happened to Ulrich. A character who just wanted to save his son, in the end, will remain with nothing (although maybe some kind of happy and awaits us - let's see)
It seems that Adam, on the contrary, is trying to leave everything as it is, and everything that young Jonos does was already with him earlier. Perhaps Adam, being an adult version of Jonos, understands that if he kills himself, then Paul Vindon will die, because the whole family connection begins with himself. And Jonos believed in this theory until he became Adam. That's why Jonos (the middle one) believes in the theory that if everything changes, there won't be these time loops, but as I recall, Adam told Noah earlier that Jonos doesn't even know he's doing what he's already done. In short, it's just a cycle of events and it's impossible to change anything, as well as explain this damn theory, too.
@Heisen_berg: it seemed to me that Adam knew in advance that the theory would not work until 1)he stayed in place when Jonas stepped into the ball, and in theory he should have disappeared immediately. 2) He himself has already stepped there and knows that this will lead to nothing, but he directed his younger version as it should, because the plan is different.
Or maybe there's no plan at all? Sometimes the head explodes, and the most annoying thing is that everything depends on the omissions of the script and the characters:(
@Shunnimi: No, it should not disappear when Jonos entered the ball, because he can observe and do nothing. He was supposed to disappear when the suicide did not happen at the appointed time.
Something burned off Mikkel. He met his own father and REMAINS SILENT when he is taken back to the psychiatric hospital. Just what???? Ulrich also met the other children, and felt incredibly sorry for him:(
I think he was already on the pill then. When Igon came to Ines, before leaving Igon noticed the pills, and Ines waved off "oh, it's me for myself." The poor boy has been pumped up with some pills for a long time, what about his zhaal...
Ulrich promised to kill Egon, and hop, he dies under mysterious circumstances, as they say in the article...) And I still don't understand how Mikkel just fell through the woods at another time...Is there another passageway? Or what?
@Tatyana_gorskaya: it seems to me that he fell through some kind of "window", simultaneously with the body of the already dead Mads in opposite directions-times; as in the basement, young Jones (1986) and little Helge (1953), when they touched the window that appeared
Oh, what an impressive series! I barely restrained myself from crying. In the moment with Ulrich and Mikkel and Charlotte with her father.. I feel so sorry for Ulrich ((I also saw the older children. They've returned safely to their time, but he doesn't know it. The scriptwriters decided to finish him off, apparently. Kapets
What is Inez giving him? Maybe Mikel will forget the past? And why doesn't the old fart just do what he wants? It's a big risk, I would say 100%, that young Jonas will change his mind. Or maybe it's just because Jonas comes to his father Mikkel, who has grown up, that he commits suicide, gets scared of something or goes crazy🤔 🤯
For some reason, there are suspicions that Adam is not Jonas, but his father... If I'm not mistaken, his dad hanged himself... What if Jonas interferes with him and leaves a scar? And I also wonder why Mikel was silent and did not try to explain that Ulrich was his dad, and not a perverted psycho.
Ulrich is a complete idiot! I don't feel sorry for him at all. How was such an intemperate asshole kept by the police! There are no brains at all, either in 53 or 87. After all, if you work in the police, you have to figure out how the authorities will behave when they meet an adult man who came from nowhere, is interested in children, behaves violently, and even when the corpses of children are found. I only feel sorry for Mikel. He lost his parents and fell into the clutches of a crazy nurse who turned him into a suicide in the future.
Why can't Adam just fuck young Noah? (without reference, is he really Jonas or Mikel. Adam is too sensible for Mikel/Michael, considering that he left his mother's love like a cuckoo...) Then everything would have collapsed and gone differently. Children would not have been abducted, young people would not have gone to caves for drugs.. Anyway, they might not have been born. They made up so much that they got confused with themselves) But I like it. I wonder who Charlotte's mother is. The most banal thing is the youngest daughter. But Inez is also a good option, they really look like each other.
Help! Explain why suicide was chosen as the starting point? Wouldn't it have been easier to get Mikkel out of the past and back to the moment when he had the chance? Well, when Jonas the middle one dissuades Jonas the younger from taking him.
Well, Adam's theory is that there is no God, God is time, time is God, let's destroy time and live. Where, how, and for what? Beyond time, only space remains? That's what time does to people...It seems to me that Adam's explanations are difficult to understand, even for Jonas, who has traveled through time. It remains, as usual, either to believe or not to believe. And as the pastor said in the movie "Beware of the Car" - "All people believe. Some believe that there is a God, others believe that there is no God. Both are unprovable." Jonas wants to return home so much that, regardless of whether he believed Adam or not, he is ready to step into the ball and find himself anywhere away from 1921. And the fact that he chose the date 06/20/2019 is logical. This is the last normal day in his life, and then it's going to get tough. But will there be, and most importantly, will Jonas be able to change anything?
About Inez. And what did she do wrong in 1987? She's had a boy for six months now, and he's a little strange, vulnerable, and imaginative, but she loves him, feels sorry for him, and cares about him. She was his mother. And then he gets kidnapped by some crazy old man, and even with such a background. What was she supposed to do? Of course, we call the police, we return the child. And yes, she secretly gives him pills (antidepressants, probably, or just sleeping pills), because she sees that he longs for his real mother, for his past life, and then there is such stress for the child, as she believes, kidnapping. For Western society, it was customary now and before to go to psychotherapists, and if anything, then take different pills. And what does she give to their child? Well, she thinks that an unusual situation means unusual measures. The main thing is not to overdo it with the dose, but she's a nurse. To me, Ines' method with pills seems questionable after all, but I tried to understand her motivation. Ines, like any other ordinary person, of all the explanations for certain actions / events in time travel, and the meeting of a son and father from the future, will be the last to believe. Or he won't believe it.
Adam said he had a doppelganger, he didn't understand at all And why did he send himself back again, knowing that everything would come to what he has and is doing now?
I have a lot of sympathy for Bartosh, the kids are not far from their parents. It's impossible to look at Martha at all, one of the nastiest characters in the series, as well as the mother.
@nationalanthem: Martha is terribly annoying. In the first season, she only expressed her frustration about her brother's disappearance on day 9, before that she was only worried about guys. This season, she snaps at her mother that she doesn't give a damn about her and Magnus, while she doesn't give a damn about her mother, missing brother and father, all thoughts are occupied by Jonnas. For me, she and Hannah are the two main trash.
1. "If everything works out, we will restart the whole world." But old Jonas said that he remembers this conversation word for word when he was a young Jonas. Which means he's already entered this ball and it didn't work out. 2. Mikkel is like, "Oh, Daddy came for me, finally! It's time for your time! So when the cops take him, I'll keep quiet and walk over to the nurse like I'm a kidnap victim. Yeah, so put handcuffs on him and go to hell!"
Why does everyone feel sorry for Ulrich? Both he and Katarina are two cattle who, as children, bullied their peers and adults. They've grown up, but they haven't gotten any better. Katarina rushes at everyone and fights like that.
In all this chaos, the Alexander/Regina couple pleases. Of all the married couples in the series, they have the most normal relationship. They sincerely worry about each other and support each other. And the story of their acquaintance is generally cute.
So, did I miss something, or where did Jonas Jr. get the yellow jacket again? In the future, he would enter the god particle in a yellow protective suit, and underneath he would wear post-apocalyptic clothes. And suddenly he's talking to Adam in a jacket..
@dennie: when Jonas woke up in bed and Adam was sitting in an armchair in the room, he said "get dressed" and showed a stack of folded clothes for Jonas - a yellow jacket, sneakers, pants. That is, Adam gave him the jacket now.
Poor Mikkel, now they're poisoning him with pills. It's still unclear why Jonas believes Adam, if he's been dating his adult version and already knows that nothing will change.
My God, it hurts so much when Ulrich met Mikkel 33 years later, I got goosebumps all over and burst into tears. 💔 Why should everyone suffer here, some to a greater extent, some to a lesser extent..
Isn't it strange that a child who got lost at first recognized his father, and at the moment when they were separated, just looked down when he should have made at least some kind of sound? It's still native. Especially if it concerns a child. Not that I'm being picky, but I don't think it's logical. It would have been more dramatic if he had screamed.
Although it is possible that the drugs of the new mother affected him.....
Some strange teenagers: they moved into the past, came to a bus stop, looked at the police of the 80s and were like, "Okay, let's go back." Where's the curiosity, any interest?! Some bruised mattresses, as if every day they turn on a time machine and get into the past.
Honestly, I don't really understand why Father Jonas' suicide was the beginning. And why then won't Jonas himself be born? After all, it already exists there. But if you don't let Mikel go back in time, then Jonas' father will be gone. And anyway, the time machine was invented by a watchmaker, and others helped him.. in short, it's really impossible to untangle this knot, everything is looped. A cause is an effect, and a consequence is a cause.
I'm completely confused. I thought that everything could be changed if we could bring Mikel back to his time. Adam and Jonas talk about how if Michael doesn't commit suicide, then everything will be normal, and Mikel won't go back to the past. But he got into the past when he went to the caves with the teenagers, how does it depend on Michael and his death? And anyway, if Mikel doesn't get into the past, he won't grow into Michael. Would Michael just disappear or what? My brain exploded and still can't figure anything out.
Even though I don't like Ulrich and he behaved as idiotically as possible in 1953, especially considering that he is a policeman himself, I still feel sorry for him. It's strange that he hasn't really gone completely crazy in 34 years. Of course, he's not himself, which is not surprising, but he didn't become a vegetable in a madhouse. I felt especially sorry for him when he saw the older children. From the outside, he's really a child-murdering nutcase. Poor Mikel, as soon as he recognized his father in this aged man and tried to return to his time with him, he was stopped. Although, of course, it would be interesting to know what poor Ulrich was doing in his time, when he himself had aged for decades. I liked Inez, but it got unpleasant when she slipped pills to the boy.
Discussion: Season 2, Episode 5 Join the Discussion
200Well, at least Noah = Charlotte's father confirmed, I wonder what he's going to do next, while Adam is telling stories to Jonas.
it's fun to watch Adam, who obviously heard his own words from myself about loopholes, but I thought that the loophole in the fact that he killed his younger self and then the cycle will be interrupted
and he lacks the courage each time or something like that
I feel sorry for young Jonas, who tried to do something for the good, but each time his actions only led to a worsening of the situation.
I believe that Charlotte's mother is Ines, as I wrote above, but this is at the level of speculation.
And perhaps, since Noah is Agnes' brother, what if Adam was her husband?
I want to find out information about who is not the mother of whom from the next series, and not from the comments of an inept user. before watching episode 5, it's silly to read comments on it, this is what the warning from the site is about. you note that you watched the series, comments are opened to it - you go in and read. can you feel the logic? the same logic should tell you that you should not leave comments here with plot twists from the upcoming series
the fact that you made an assumption about Iness is not a spoiler, it's your reflection, your thought, I had the same at that time (and not only me)... the essence of the comments under the series is to share guesses, but do not write after watching the next series, whether the guess was confirmed or not!
it would be great if everyone then returned to their guesses after watching the series, and wrote "Oh, how wrong I was, he will be killed in the next episode" or "wow, she's not his mother, but she's the sister of so-and-so"
it's strange that I have to explain such obvious things
if in episode 5 you can only guess who Charlotte's mother is and build your theories, then you destroy them with such a throw-in and thereby reduce the degree of intrigue and interest for other viewers.
So, are there any questions about these characters?:
Daniel Kahnwald's wife (Ines' mother).
Agnes Nielsen's husband (Tronte's father).
Zhenya Noah (Charlotte's mother).
Helge's wife (Peter's mother).
Claudia's husband (Regina's father).
Alexander's past and roots, what if he's someone's relative too?
Torben and Benny's parents.
I wonder whose father and husband Jonas will become, surely this should happen?
There are generally a lot of options here, it is possible for both women and men to think about who he may be in the past or the future.
His mother always looks at Noah in a very touching way, not in a Christian way.😅
Who is Daniel Kahnwald, I don't even remember such a character🤯
And when it's Jonas Jr., I remember about the merciless transition age, hormones, etc., well, OK then. But the average Jonas could have already outgrown these emotions)))
It seems that some people are watching with their assholes or once every twenty minutes they attach importance to the events that are taking place and the rest of the time they spit at the ceiling.
That's the moment when you understand everything and at the same time realize that you don't understand anything :)
P.S. We started shooting the third season. Hopefully, it will be even more awesome than the first two :)
What the hell, Egon? I thought you understood the connection between Ulrich and Mikkel. What the hell, Inez? In the first season, I was glad that Mikkel had received at least some support and care in the past, but that wasn't it. I'm terribly sorry for Ulrich.
I stopped understanding the rest again and gave up hope for the next series for now.
(Katarina smiled at the phrase that Hannah slept with both her husband and her son - but the meme is funny, and the situation is scary)
and Ulrich felt sorry for him, this cop was always pushing him, he was so close to happiness, reassurance ...
and Jonas, the kid completely trusted the old version of himself, and irrevocably
wondering what Noah would arrange there. maybe Noah wasn't bad at all, but Adam made him do it all, and so on...
it always seemed that Bartosz was a complete asshole, but he didn't seem so bad, and the
question of whether it was worth destroying himself to let others live immediately reminded him of the butterfly effect
Adam can't know everything, he'll slip somewhere on the most explicit
Maybe he's deliberately trying to convince the others that there is some kind of evil Adam, so that others will try to do something? That is, he gives them a direction (with whom to fight), but in what way he does not say. They have to choose for themselves. Because if the "average" Jonas knows the way, then the "adult" Jonas will know the way and will be able to do something.
If others choose a method of counteraction without the knowledge of the "average" Jonas, it turns out that the "adult" Jonas will not know what the next step his "opponents" will take.
Well, at least that's what I would do if I got into such a paradox :D
So Charlotte is a relative of the Nilsons. My head is spinning from these family ties))
My father's relatives.
We have been repeatedly informed in plain text that all 4 families are related to each other by BLOOD!
And something tells me that in this series it's not just a figure of speech!))
Because fuck knows what time Noah is from, and when he had a daughter, it could be absolutely any time(?)
For some reason, it seems that Jonas, on the contrary, will drive his father to suicide by his appearance and everything will go over again.
Is Inez giving Michel Imipramine? To give such pills without the supervision of a doctor... It's already a sin for a kid not to go as a cuckoo, and even more so with taking antidepressants without a prescription. Although I don't know how such pills affect a person who doesn't need them, it's unlikely to be any positive.
Of course, Jonas won't prevent his father from being cut out! At least because everything has already happened and he (Jonas) and Adam already exist! It is important to always remember that this series is NOT about alternative realities of the future, but about determinism and the principle of self-consistency, which the watchmaker spoke about in one of the episodes!
And with his appearance in front of Dad on June 20, 2019, he will only become the impetus for all the subsequent events that have already happened! And I'm also wondering, how did Jonas imagine right now that I would move the day before my father's suicide and change the course of history? Didn't it even cross his mind that maybe it was his appearance that would cause his dad to be cut out?!
But Adam knew that Jonas wouldn't change anything there!
To the point of tears
But of course there may be a lot more twists with the movements of both Martha and Charlotte, then the puzzle will be formed!
Jonas had actually seen the "ghost" of his father, covered in black slime, on the day Mikkel disappeared.
You were just confused by "How can Noah be Ulrich's son if he's Ulrich's grandmother's brother?)" but this fact is not)
In general, Hannah seems to me very strange and suspicious. Maybe it's all about her?
And by the way, it's strange that Charlotte found an article with a photo with Ulrich, but she didn't find archival files about the bodies of boys found at the NPP construction site (with photos), it was possible to identify the missing from 2019.
the first half didn't really go anywhere, I guess my brain just burned out by episode 5 from these intricacies of hd
It's a pity for Ulrich, it just happened to be at the wrong time and in the wrong place, to wait for the time that the son got to and not have time to escape, and then also to see the rest of the children, it's a triple pain.
Jonas has a strange idea
it seemed to me that they only die when experimenting on children, but then something seemed to refute my theory.
+ It's a pity that everything happened to Ulrich. A character who just wanted to save his son, in the end, will remain with nothing (although maybe some kind of happy and awaits us - let's see)
Or maybe there's no plan at all? Sometimes the head explodes, and the most annoying thing is that everything depends on the omissions of the script and the characters:(
And I still don't understand how Mikkel just fell through the woods at another time...Is there another passageway? Or what?
I feel so sorry for Ulrich ((I also saw the older children. They've returned safely to their time, but he doesn't know it. The scriptwriters decided to finish him off, apparently. Kapets
And why doesn't the old fart just do what he wants? It's a big risk, I would say 100%, that young Jonas will change his mind.
Or maybe it's just because Jonas comes to his father Mikkel, who has grown up, that he commits suicide, gets scared of something or goes crazy🤔
🤯
Kapets damn
And I also wonder why Mikel was silent and did not try to explain that Ulrich was his dad, and not a perverted psycho.
I only feel sorry for Mikel. He lost his parents and fell into the clutches of a crazy nurse who turned him into a suicide in the future.
But I like it. I wonder who Charlotte's mother is. The most banal thing is the youngest daughter. But Inez is also a good option, they really look like each other.
Jonas wants to return home so much that, regardless of whether he believed Adam or not, he is ready to step into the ball and find himself anywhere away from 1921. And the fact that he chose the date 06/20/2019 is logical. This is the last normal day in his life, and then it's going to get tough. But will there be, and most importantly, will Jonas be able to change anything?
Ines, like any other ordinary person, of all the explanations for certain actions / events in time travel, and the meeting of a son and father from the future, will be the last to believe. Or he won't believe it.
And why did he send himself back again, knowing that everything would come to what he has and is doing now?
2. Mikkel is like, "Oh, Daddy came for me, finally! It's time for your time! So when the cops take him, I'll keep quiet and walk over to the nurse like I'm a kidnap victim. Yeah, so put handcuffs on him and go to hell!"
It's still unclear why Jonas believes Adam, if he's been dating his adult version and already knows that nothing will change.
Why should everyone suffer here, some to a greater extent, some to a lesser extent..
Not that I'm being picky, but I don't think it's logical. It would have been more dramatic if he had screamed.
Although it is possible that the drugs of the new mother affected him.....
I thought that everything could be changed if we could bring Mikel back to his time. Adam and Jonas talk about how if Michael doesn't commit suicide, then everything will be normal, and Mikel won't go back to the past. But he got into the past when he went to the caves with the teenagers, how does it depend on Michael and his death? And anyway, if Mikel doesn't get into the past, he won't grow into Michael. Would Michael just disappear or what? My brain exploded and still can't figure anything out.
Even though I don't like Ulrich and he behaved as idiotically as possible in 1953, especially considering that he is a policeman himself, I still feel sorry for him. It's strange that he hasn't really gone completely crazy in 34 years. Of course, he's not himself, which is not surprising, but he didn't become a vegetable in a madhouse. I felt especially sorry for him when he saw the older children. From the outside, he's really a child-murdering nutcase.
Poor Mikel, as soon as he recognized his father in this aged man and tried to return to his time with him, he was stopped. Although, of course, it would be interesting to know what poor Ulrich was doing in his time, when he himself had aged for decades.
I liked Inez, but it got unpleasant when she slipped pills to the boy.