The book is amazing! The best thing I've read lately. However, I can't imagine how this can be transferred to the screen, because it is basically an internal monologue of two people. I hope the creators caught the vibe and the series turned out to be as gorgeous as the book!
I sincerely do not understand the excitement about the book. The characters do not cause any emotions except for facepalms, there is no plot as such, just a story about "misunderstood, did not hear, understood in my own way, did not clarify and ask again, that's why all the problems". It reminded me of "50 WASPS" — the same wooden characters, no dialogues, mental problems and a pinch of craving for masochism. The only difference is that this "Normal People" is more for high school students. When I saw the trailer, it became even funnier for me — there are no clear descriptions of the main characters' appearance in the book, but for some reason actors with the same type as in "50 WASPS" were chosen for their roles. We could at least not make this bang for the main character to avoid comparisons, I'm already embarrassed by this oversight.
But I will watch the series, so as not to tryout "I did not watch, but I condemn", although I do not have hopes for the best from the word at all. In the end, what is there to show as many as 12 episodes, well, by God?
@avekovalenko: I almost completely agree with your words about the book, however, some strange paradox happened to me: it seems that the actions of the main characters and the whole Brazilian drama of their relationship, which could have been solved by one frank conversation, but for some reason it was so sadistic to read. You sit there and think: "These fools are brainless, thank you, I'm the only one standing in a beautiful white coat and I know what they need to do")) Although, probably, we are all a little fools when it comes to our love relationships, but we understand others better than anyone. Well, Rooney has a cool, concise style of writing, I was very impressed. And about the similarity with the heroes of "50 OS" it was interesting to notice, although I didn't think about it at all, but now I feel a certain similarity.
@cardsandgin: Oh, I'm glad that I have like-minded people! Otherwise, I have already accepted that I will always be in the red on the main street.
I agree about the white coat, there really is such a thing :) But about the writing style, I personally got the impression that it was too concise and at some points it even seemed to me that Rooney had to add text for volume - a lot of details that don't really change anything. Like, what difference does it make that someone ordered an omelet? If it somehow influenced what was happening or at least created the right atmosphere, then OK, there are no questions. But here it's just text for the sake of text. One thing pleases me — the book is short, I swallowed it in one evening and I didn't suffer for a long time (and then some of them already have whole trilogies being written, if you know what I mean)) But honestly, until the last moment I hoped to find something in it that brought the book a lot of regalia and fans. I thought that at least something brain-blowing was buried in the finale, but alas.
@cardsandgin: I'll tell you more, that's the essence of the plot. Roughly speaking, this is a story about how two people who are still young and inexperienced try to talk about their feelings through trial and error. They cannot really get along with each other, precisely because they cannot build coherent communication channels, at the same time with an abundance of communicative intermediaries in the form of social and class patterns, social networks, etc. As a result, people talk to each other through the prism of their fucking and mental disorders. And how difficult it is for love to survive in such a situation.
I totally agree about Rooney's style, it's very cool =)
@miriadit: Well, definitely not "not at all", there are many similar features: curly blond hair, eye shape (I'm not sure about the color, I didn't look closely), nose, jaw line, body constitution in the end. We are not talking about a complete identity, we are talking about a type of appearance that is quite obviously similar, if not the same. This is not very noticeable in the photo, because it was difficult to find frames with the same facial expressions of the first and second characters, but in the video, personally, these similarities clearly caught my eye.
@avekovalenko: Due to the fact that the characters are wooden - I wouldn't say, the main character in the series played perfectly, emotions, facial expressions, eyes - the operator showed all this, I even like how he often focuses on the smallest details. I haven't read the book, I only realized in the comments that the series was filmed based on the book, so I judge only by the series itself. Nothing here reminded me of "50 shades" (maybe the books themselves are similar in writing to each other, but the series and the film and the appearance of the actors are not). Maybe I could still find her resemblance to Dakota Johnson in my head, but not the similarity of the main character to Jamie - for me they are generally different. I couldn't figure out who she reminded me of, some wrote that she looked like Anne Hathaway, others like Mary Elizabeth Winstead, and others - Zooey Deschanel. But it bothered me that there was someone else. And finally I found what I was missing-a resemblance to Lili Reinhart from Riverdale. For me, Marianne is a mix of all these four actresses. She has facial features from each of them, her appearance is just beckoning. I found this series in an article where they wrote "top 8 series, with explicit bed scenes", I saw half of this list, and I chose this one because it has a good rating.
@Maniak_D_S: they wrote above that the type. The type of guys is similar, no one said that they are like twins) and I also agree, as soon as I saw them, I also thought about 50 shades, precisely in terms of their t-i-p-a-zh-a)
"Normal People" is an adaptation of the novel by Irish writer Sally Rooney, who has already been dubbed the Jane Austen of the Instagram era and Salinger for millennials in the community. I sat down to watch the series, of course, not because of this, because as befits a real millennial, I stopped reading books a long time ago, but because of the main actress, Daisy Edgar-Jones - a charming cross between Mary Elizabeth Winstead and Irina Starshenbaum (but who knows how to play). Well, because Lenny Abrahamson ("Room", "Little Stranger") He's a friendly dude with an interesting directorial style. Anyway, the bet played out and the series turned out to be one of that rare subspecies of fiction that puts you almost into a trance, blurring the boundaries between reality and fiction and completely, completely involving you in the narrative.
I don't see much point in retelling the plot (in fact, I struggled over a digestible option for more than an hour and eventually gave up), because the actual events in the series are secondary. The real journey takes place not outside, but inside the characters: they are driven by complexes and fears, they make mistakes, and then learn to live with their consequences, begin to appreciate what is really important and accept the inevitable, distinguish real feelings from pretense, compensation. In general, they are growing up. In almost every review, you can read that "the show is depressing and heavy," but even though the authors played cancan on my soul strings, I disagree here – the show is life-affirming, kindling feelings, and not extinguishing them. I really quite see it as a modern version of the hopelessly outdated "The Catcher in the Rye", once a guiding work for the younger generation. https://ttttt.me/Welcome_to_the_NHK/734
@skakunchik: Well, hell knows, I love Hathaway, I adore him, but I didn't notice any similarities during the viewing. It's purely a Starshenbaum, the same eyes, the same smile. And personally, I was amazed at how important (as it turned out) acting talent is. Because I absolutely can't stomach Irina Starshenbaum, her mere presence on the screen makes me shudder with disgust, for me she is the epitome of mediocrity. I'm sorry if I offended anyone with harsh words, but I'm telling you how I feel. But I fell in love with Edgar-Jones instantly, literally after a couple of scenes (she hooked, of course, back in the trailer, but not so much, I actually lied a little in the review, gg). Despite the fact that, I repeat, I constantly saw Starshenbaum in her, whose figure is even more suited to my taste. That's what life-giving acting does!
I haven't gotten to the book yet, and that's probably why I have such mixed feelings after the first episode. somehow, very incomprehensibly and strangely, they got closer. it seems like nothing - and then she admits that she likes him. and then all those kisses... hmm, maybe if I'd read the book, it would have been clearer, but for now it's... uh ... I'll see what's next.
It's also not very clear where such a passion suddenly comes from. She probably attracted his attention with her defiant attitude towards teachers and peers, and he by being the only one who talked to her (although this just seems like elementary politeness, as a way to pass the time while he waits for his mother from work). Maybe it will become clearer further.
@k1ryusha: as I understand it, from there, he dreams of being as confident and strong as she is, and she is as sociable and popular as he is. As a result, they complement each other, and opposites attract.
I haven't read the book, but at first glance the series is not very different from most pictures about teenagers. But the shooting is beautiful, it's captivating. :)
I found out about the existence of the book only in the comments, so my opinion was formed only by watching the series. In my opinion, the beginning is quite interesting, and the problems are being raised.
But what's funny is how a girl who kissed for the first time offers to take off her clothes on a second conditional date? :)))
@melnikova_msk: But she hadn't kissed anyone before, not because she didn't want to, but because she has problems with socialization and doesn't communicate with anyone. No one said that she didn't want to kiss or have sex) Plus, she's a teenager - it's emotions and hormones, and it seemed to me that she likes Connell for a long time, so it's not surprising to me.
An adult man, 25 years old already, but I still get high from such series. It reminds me of the movie "Hurry to love", who watched it will understand me. I definitely recommend it. The result of episode 1: the series immediately catches on from the first minutes, in general, because of a girl who has her own opinion and vision of life. The plot also begins to develop about a guy who shares her interests, but still leads a life for status in society. Maybe it seemed to me, let's look further.
The series is cool, although it's hard to judge by one episode. But it seems to me that this is not a "hurry to love" unequivocally - there was some kind of childish love there. But according to the trailer, this series reminded me of the movie Anne Hathaway - One Day. Although, I repeat, it is difficult to judge from one episode
I haven't read the book, but the girl is very similar to Katya from "You Never Dreamed" (she was played by Tatiana Aksyuta). The boy, of course, is not Roma (Nikita Mikhailovsky), but there is also something (curls, for example). So far, it's quite a school story: a slightly antisocial girl falls in love with a classmate. It is quite predictable that they will converge-diverge: their social level is different, as far as I understand, and GG immediately said that their relationship would be a secret. Let's see what happens next.
Obviously, Connell and Marianne's classmates are not the most pleasant people in principle and are ready to mock and laugh at any occasion (just like in life). But what's in the book, what's in the series, I still don't understand the word-of-mouth transmission of how Marianne washed her sweater in the toilet and ridiculed it. It's completely normal, what else was she supposed to do, walk around with a stain on her chest? You'd think if the same Rachel had put a yogurt stain on her blouse, she would have walked around like that all day.
And I also don't fully understand why Marianne is considered an outcast loser in her class. A frankly beautiful girl (although for some reason everyone thinks the opposite?! what kind of a new form of gaslighting is this ...), rich, sharp-tongued, not afraid to get into arguments with teachers and respond sharply to them... Yes, everyone should adore her for this and want to be friends with her, shouldn't they? Although, maybe this would make her a popular girl in some typical American school that we see so often on screens, and in a small Irish town, prosperity and the ability to stand up for yourself can easily cut you off from others?... Although I still don't understand, if I were her classmate, I would really like to be friends with her.
@cardsandgin: I think it's also because she comes from a rich family. And because of the combination of character, wealth and sharp tongue, her classmates consider her arrogant
@cardsandgin: There will always be something to kill for or come up with, there would be a desire, so it's never surprising. A huge number of real stories confirm this, sometimes the smartest are bullied, sometimes the laggards, sometimes the poorest, sometimes for a name that just doesn't like everyone else, while it's not necessarily that it's rare, because of banal envy it also happens that there are no options. It is sometimes useless to look for logical arguments for this phenomenon.
If you watched the first episode and didn't understand anything, then welcome to my club (who haven't read the book). Do you think it's worth looking further? Is worth. To realize that not understanding oneself is normal, not fitting into society is normal, making mistakes is normal. To make sure once again that relations cannot exist without dialogue. Well, they can't exist without verbally labeling their emotions and thoughts.
And in this picture, the physical component of the relationship is insanely aesthetically and so naturally shown. The moment of consent, understanding and acceptance of refusal, respect.
Is it worth looking further? Is worth. At least in some moments the characters will annoy you. But they're human. Normal people. And they tend to make mistakes.
A very pleasant narrative style. And the story seems to be a mixture of typically English novels and typically Russian reality. So far, a very teenage view of everything is being captured: socialization, and "let's not talk about this at school," and first kisses, and interest in sex. Not all teen TV shows have this touchiness. And the heroine, who gladly decides on an obviously toxic paradigm of relationships (stealthily, with betrayal, with shame from a partner) does not even cause a storm of indignation, because it really seems that for her it's all real. A chance to experience everything for the first time with a man she likes. The only drawback is thirty—year-old schoolchildren. But, to be fair, it is now rare to see TV series in which teenagers are played by teenagers.
It confuses me that schoolchildren are played by actors much older, after such series as scam, Ann with two n, where teenagers are played by teenagers (and they play great), the difference in years is so unpleasant to the eye
@Oliva: the actress had just turned 21 at the time of filming, her boyfriend was a couple of years older. I'm not saying that everything is OK, but now the trend is to take actors 4-5 years older than the age of the characters. A girl over 18 years old would be fine, as far as I'm concerned. Scam and Ann are rather exceptions to the rule.
@WeisserSchleife: According to labor law, teenagers can work much fewer hours than adults, plus they need to allocate time for rest and study. It's still not very ethical to take teenagers on roles with a lot of sex scenes. So it's just more profitable to hire adults)
I haven't figured out yet whether I like it in general or not. Both characters are kind of strange, either they are just modest, or it's something from the autistic spectrum) But I like the accent, I like the colors of the frames. And it seems there will be a lot of sensual scenes.
I read the book on purpose before starting the series. I liked it very much. It seems that the actors were chosen very well! It's like the book characters came to life on the screen
@shaika_shuma: You must have been reading inattentively. According to the book, Marianne does not have a model appearance and figure. She's "ordinary" there. And this is actually an important point. But in the series, they decided in the name of visual not to pay attention to this. But it really did the show good.
It's very tedious and drawn out. The whole series keeps the atmosphere of drama (in my opinion, out of nothing). The story is not worth a TV series, especially 12 episodes. Maybe a movie, but even that would be for an amateur. Popularity does not justify its popularity.
I missed the conversations between the main characters a little, I understand that they felt attracted to each other with their hearts, but for the viewer, a little clarification with the help of words from the main characters would not be superfluous. And so in general it is interesting.
all of them are straight modest (compared to the book), Marianne seemed to me more cheeky, uninhibited, especially in the opening scene where she is sitting at home on the table, but here she rolled up and immediately hid in the shell, as if she did not expect this from herself. and Connell, although he has always been a little detached from the bulk of friends and classmates, but still the first guy in school, the soul of the company, here he somehow falls short in my opinion. and Rachel was all such a straight bitch-bitch, in general, this sharp part in the series somehow suffers, well, let's see what happens next... and they look somehow older, it is clear that these same actors will continue to play and they were just trying to make up younger, but when I read the book, they seemed almost like children to me, yes, 11th grade, and yet is this what eleventh graders look like - the eternal problem of TV series
@lasforry: Oh, and despite Marianne's eternally confused face, her stupid bangs and the pretentiousness of some moments, it's hard to hold back a smile and affection when they interact...I really want to listen to teen songs about love)
@vk198776: tastes are certainly different: this actor absolutely does not seem beautiful to me, especially "insanely"! An ordinary face, and often even a blunt facial expression, does not attract at all (( moreover, in the rest of the series this impression only intensifies. Only the figure is not bad.
The series was written by my good friend, and I trust her in choosing paintings, so I decided to take a look. She also recommended the book to me, but I'll get to it a little later.
It's too early to say anything about the plot, while the usual teenage drama is developing. But I like the Persians, especially the main character, I also liked him very much outwardly. So just the sight of him makes me drool)
By the way, regarding the criticism of the age of the actors, in this case it is clear to me why adults were taken. There is a lot of explicit sex in the series, and according to the legislation there is a lot of fuss with permission for minors in the filming of erotic scenes, ranging from the permission of guardians to running to other instances. They are extremely unprofitable for all this red tape, and in general, to show minors in explicit bed scenes, kmk, that's not ice at all.
I really liked the shooting. A kind of indie style, I just really liked the visual. All these muted tones and the general atmosphere of the picture, seasoned with rather shrill depressive indie compositions. In general, I like it so far. Let's see what they show us.
an unusual series, I did not understand the feelings and emotions of the characters - somehow everything is gray - like the shooting - I hope I will delve into it and join in. It is unusual that teenagers are played by actors who are much older and the difference is obvious and visible.
I don't understand why such a smart and cheeky girl from a rich family is presented as a loser in the series. And she looks pretty, reminiscent of Anne Hathaway. I like how emotions and awkwardness are conveyed in the series.
I'm reading a book now, and I really liked episode 1, but I probably wouldn't have understood the development of events without the original source either. Still, it seems to me that such books, where the emphasis is on the inner feelings of the characters and thoughts, are not easy to film. It will seem that it is too vague and the feeling that something is missing. Marianne is very cute, in the book she was more sharp-tongued with Connell, but maybe her character will be shown more vividly later. And the picture is incredibly pleasant) I liked the atmosphere
Cloudy grey Ireland, beautiful Irish accent, Sligo, for reference, the birthplace of Yates.... Already which Irish series comes across, the atmosphere is special.... Normal children are 18 years old, I did not notice any age dissonance, on the contrary, I was surprised how clearly they look like teenagers I know 18 years old (the girl is such a friend, she is very similar in character and appearance, even the hairstyles are the same, maybe they have such a fashion now)) They play oh* but. A broken way of communication, social differences, dependence on other people's opinions, growing up...and love is the same. It's very beautiful
After reading the book, I didn't like it at all, but I still decided to take a look at the series and I can say with confidence that the beginning is much better than in the book. In the book, I imagined everything dryly, because of the driest and cringest dialogues, but here they are at least served more or less normally. About the cast, it seems well chosen, Marianne yes, Connell well 50/50. I imagined them younger. I wonder if they can make a good series out of such a book?
It's a little boring so far: the drama is very stretched and the dialogues are sucked out of the finger. The picture is beautiful. I read the book, I rather liked it than not. I imagined Marianne to be less modest.
I don't understand this He came, kissed me 2 times, set a date for a cupcake and left ? And to talk?...get to know each other better?...not? Nah*y? So far, the plot is a bit strange Although the picture and the acting are normal
I haven't read the book. Therefore, no expectations at all. And I was touched by the sincerity of the understatement. It reminded me of that time in my life. The actors act out perfectly. My butterflies were moving all the second half of the episode... He's so strong, tall, she's fragile...
I haven't read the book, so I wonder where it's all going to lead. It's a fairly banal trope so far, but let's see, the picture looks nice. The accent of course also adds a twist. It's very interesting, nothing is clear. Ps. Oh, these 30-year-old actors playing schoolchildren))
First I watched the movie, then I listened to the novel. The film is very close to the text of the work. If I have the opportunity, I will read the original book by Sally Rooney. There are people who find it difficult to overcome all twelve episodes. This is a very serious movie based on the bestseller of 2018. The problems it raises are modern.
The description says that Mariana is quiet and shy, but you can't do that in the first episode😅 she is bold and can stand up for herself🔥 I love this type of heroines
But I will watch the series, so as not to tryout "I did not watch, but I condemn", although I do not have hopes for the best from the word at all. In the end, what is there to show as many as 12 episodes, well, by God?
And about the similarity with the heroes of "50 OS" it was interesting to notice, although I didn't think about it at all, but now I feel a certain similarity.
I agree about the white coat, there really is such a thing :) But about the writing style, I personally got the impression that it was too concise and at some points it even seemed to me that Rooney had to add text for volume - a lot of details that don't really change anything. Like, what difference does it make that someone ordered an omelet? If it somehow influenced what was happening or at least created the right atmosphere, then OK, there are no questions. But here it's just text for the sake of text. One thing pleases me — the book is short, I swallowed it in one evening and I didn't suffer for a long time (and then some of them already have whole trilogies being written, if you know what I mean)) But honestly, until the last moment I hoped to find something in it that brought the book a lot of regalia and fans. I thought that at least something brain-blowing was buried in the finale, but alas.
I totally agree about Rooney's style, it's very cool =)
I found this series in an article where they wrote "top 8 series, with explicit bed scenes", I saw half of this list, and I chose this one because it has a good rating.
I'm talking about the book(s) :)
I don't see much point in retelling the plot (in fact, I struggled over a digestible option for more than an hour and eventually gave up), because the actual events in the series are secondary. The real journey takes place not outside, but inside the characters: they are driven by complexes and fears, they make mistakes, and then learn to live with their consequences, begin to appreciate what is really important and accept the inevitable, distinguish real feelings from pretense, compensation. In general, they are growing up. In almost every review, you can read that "the show is depressing and heavy," but even though the authors played cancan on my soul strings, I disagree here – the show is life-affirming, kindling feelings, and not extinguishing them. I really quite see it as a modern version of the hopelessly outdated "The Catcher in the Rye", once a guiding work for the younger generation.
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hmm, maybe if I'd read the book, it would have been clearer, but for now it's... uh
... I'll see what's next.
But what's funny is how a girl who kissed for the first time offers to take off her clothes on a second conditional date? :)))
Plus, she's a teenager - it's emotions and hormones, and it seemed to me that she likes Connell for a long time, so it's not surprising to me.
It reminds me of the movie "Hurry to love", who watched it will understand me. I definitely recommend it.
The result of episode 1: the series immediately catches on from the first minutes, in general, because of a girl who has her own opinion and vision of life. The plot also begins to develop about a guy who shares her interests, but still leads a life for status in society. Maybe it seemed to me, let's look further.
But according to the trailer, this series reminded me of the movie Anne Hathaway - One Day. Although, I repeat, it is difficult to judge from one episode
And I also don't fully understand why Marianne is considered an outcast loser in her class. A frankly beautiful girl (although for some reason everyone thinks the opposite?! what kind of a new form of gaslighting is this ...), rich, sharp-tongued, not afraid to get into arguments with teachers and respond sharply to them... Yes, everyone should adore her for this and want to be friends with her, shouldn't they?
Although, maybe this would make her a popular girl in some typical American school that we see so often on screens, and in a small Irish town, prosperity and the ability to stand up for yourself can easily cut you off from others?... Although I still don't understand, if I were her classmate, I would really like to be friends with her.
It really reminded me of the movie "hurry to love"
Do you think it's worth looking further? Is worth.
To realize that not understanding oneself is normal, not fitting into society is normal, making mistakes is normal.
To make sure once again that relations cannot exist without dialogue. Well, they can't exist without verbally labeling their emotions and thoughts.
And in this picture, the physical component of the relationship is insanely aesthetically and so naturally shown. The moment of consent, understanding and acceptance of refusal, respect.
Is it worth looking further? Is worth.
At least in some moments the characters will annoy you. But they're human. Normal people. And they tend to make mistakes.
And the heroine, who gladly decides on an obviously toxic paradigm of relationships (stealthily, with betrayal, with shame from a partner) does not even cause a storm of indignation, because it really seems that for her it's all real. A chance to experience everything for the first time with a man she likes.
The only drawback is thirty—year-old schoolchildren. But, to be fair, it is now rare to see TV series in which teenagers are played by teenagers.
Popularity does not justify its popularity.
everything is very fast, the first kiss, and then immediately "come to me on Saturday"😅
the actor playing Connell is insanely beautiful, just ah
but I presented myself a little differently to Marianne
It's too early to say anything about the plot, while the usual teenage drama is developing. But I like the Persians, especially the main character, I also liked him very much outwardly. So just the sight of him makes me drool)
By the way, regarding the criticism of the age of the actors, in this case it is clear to me why adults were taken. There is a lot of explicit sex in the series, and according to the legislation there is a lot of fuss with permission for minors in the filming of erotic scenes, ranging from the permission of guardians to running to other instances. They are extremely unprofitable for all this red tape, and in general, to show minors in explicit bed scenes, kmk, that's not ice at all.
I really liked the shooting. A kind of indie style, I just really liked the visual. All these muted tones and the general atmosphere of the picture, seasoned with rather shrill depressive indie compositions. In general, I like it so far. Let's see what they show us.
Marianne is very cute, in the book she was more sharp-tongued with Connell, but maybe her character will be shown more vividly later. And the picture is incredibly pleasant) I liked the atmosphere
He came, kissed me 2 times, set a date for a cupcake and left
?
And to talk?...get to know each other better?...not? Nah*y?
So far, the plot is a bit strange
Although the picture and the acting are normal
Ps. Oh, these 30-year-old actors playing schoolchildren))