Already more.. 76.5 but I can't imagine how to watch 2000 episodes in 2.5 months It 's necessary to watch at least 10 hours a day π Can I do that too?))
@zdrasteeee: 81 thousand Oo In general, if you believe the statistics, this is 6.5 years of continuous viewing ... although if you move through time and count the hours from parallel universesβ¦
@Nikquest: The moment Adam got hurt, it immediately became clear. Here they did something too head-on. Then there was another topic with Eva for 2-3 episodes...
@Darula: and here the beginning begets the end) maybe her hatred led to who her son became, and she in turn hates him precisely because of his actions in the future. Everything is as always in this series π
I understand that unlike other TV series about the apocalypse, it's very realistic that they are all dirty and shabby, but I just want to send Jonas to the shower.
the son of Adam and Eve in general grew up unhappy, without life. I thought that all the other heroes were born from their children, and here is this one orphan son
@andi: well, considering that this Source is apparently Agnes' husband, which means Tronte's father. Tronte made Mads and Ulrich (and he Magnus, Marta, Mikell (and he Jonas), and probably Regina (and she Bartosz). Still pretty decent.
@andi: I agree about the soul! My thoughts during the finale of this series are "Poor Jonas, how sorry I am for him, how lonely he must be, DAMN WHAT DIRTY NAILS!)))))
So Adam killed Martha before the apocalypse to make sure Jonas would finish the parallel with Martha. They had a child, who was Agnes's husband. This man is the Source. The end is the beginning, and the beginning is really the end. #mindfucked
@Elik33: Those three people are one person, the son of Marta and Jonos. I don't remember about Claudia's husband, but she slept with Tronte Nilsson, Regina is their daughter.
Just like in "12 monkeys" about the son. It was so interesting to watch another triangle of Jan/Tronte/Claudia. I wonder why Tronte eventually married Jan, but ran after Claudia. Well, the last nail in Katarina's coffin, so to speak, even her name was given to her because of Hannahπ€ͺ
Well... How to put it mildly, of course, for the sake of familiarization, you can take a look, but keep in mind that unlike the Darkness, the Monkeys were filmed on the move, with a bunch of plot holes and jambs and other insanity. Since the third season, I've been catching facepalms every episode, and I'm actually stupidly forcing myself to watch this series, just because I want to know the ending.
Well, everyone has their own, I barely watched 12 Monkeys (TV series), and I watched the darkness twice in one gulp and will review it for the third time
It turns out that Helena (Katarina's mom) named her daughter Katarina after she came across Hannah (who called herself Katarina) at the clinic π³π³
@mardilaat: Well, she won't find out who that "Katarina" really was, just some woman who met her mother. Unless he meets Hannah again in some way and she tells him, but it seems unlikely.
@bellarkesdesire: I understood that she left the child and who he would turn out to be in all these perepetias. And most importantly, who is he to whom)It's clear that Jonas is a brother, but what's next?)I think it's not for nothing that they show us this, there's nothing so simple here, even little things like medallions matter in the future
@anchoous5: Agnes in the second season in 1921 was shown as a girl of 1 years old, and Noah as a teenager. It seems to me that they have been since 1921
@klark27: look at it inattentively. In the diagram that Eva showed Jonas, there is Hannah's child, this is Celia, and Noah (Hanno) and Agnes are her children by Bartosz. Damn, they were even shown together (Celia and Agnes) when they said goodbye in the future.
@tipaigrok: thank you! I thought I was the only one who was shocked. So she started talking about her mom, and I decided that she was the daughter of this "doctor" who performs illegal abortions. And here's HOBA! Holy shit, I thought.
But the climax was something else: how old were the Dodo and Agnes at that time? Did it bother anyone that she came to his room and got naked? Obviously not so that he would check out her pubic hair, which had just begun to fluff.
It turns out fine - Adam wants Jonas to become him and uses Martha from an alternative world for this, and Eve uses Jonas from an alternative (for herself) world so that Martha becomes Eve. And the source (their child) just uses everyone so that Jonas from one world and Marta from another world come together and stir up the source. B R A V O
Does it turn out that all the problems of the heroes and humanity in general in this series are due to the fact that Jonas did not stick out in time? Everything ingenious is simple, as they say))
@darisha050699: Most likely, season 1, episode 1, everything is clear, and season 3, episode 4, what's going on here. The first season, I still understood everything well, then I was completely confused.
Well, we understood that their whole town has been a self-reproducing friendly family of Adam and Eve for many years. now it remains to understand which of them really wants to break this cycle, and who is manipulating everyone so that infinity continues)))
@ogoltelo: There's no need to prevent their deaths if they're all born again in the next cycle. Another thing is that their lives are not very fun, is there even one happy person here?)
@_LA_: the concept of "next cycles" is not very clear, because there is only ONE cycle. Time is a circle, if observed from the outside, the same events occur in ONE circle without beginning or end.
@nmpshen: It is strange that these are most often either some minor minor characters or those who have already given birth to children / have grown old, have become disabled, and it seems that nothing should change from his murder.
Adam and Eve are the aged Jonas and Marta from two different worlds. At the same time, both use their young selves to become Adam and Eve themselves. And at the same time, their child is common (obviously timeless, does he even need something to jump through time and worlds?) he makes it happen/created in his life, so that all events happen. Awesome ouroboros, of course.
____ apd: I still reread the comments after I write and realize that I'm not the only one who's like, "Oh, that's it," or "oh, well, now it's clear." But blaine, did the writers of the series originally have such an idea in everything, or did they come up with it on the fly? Like, lol, let's make Elizabeth Charlotte's mother, and then Charlotte will give birth to Elizabeth. Hey, let's go (it's not from this episode, I remembered it from last season, if anything).
@katherine_e: Yes, the whole series has a "first round" question hanging here. It had to start somewhere, especially last season Charlotte and Elizabeth took out my brain, it's simple. like. this. has it started? There is a feeling that the final answer will be that time and space are relative, because they are perceived by us as such, and in fact did not exist before the "Big Bang". Thus, the words of that uncle who is the father of the blind man from 1888 that people in time and space exist forever - there is an answer to all questions. That is, all the universes and time in them are one, and the boundaries are an illusion. Well, or as a theory: promoting a biblical theme. As a child, I also wondered how God could always be. Well, that is, this is a kind of answer to this question. Okay, the latter is far-fetched...
Damn, after the first season they joked that everyone was related to each other, so now it turns out that this is not a joke at all, they are really almost all related to each other!
It turns out that the loop cannot be broken at all, if it is broken, then in general more than half of the characters will never be born. It turns out that what Adam and Eve are doing is an attempt to preserve everything so that no one disappears. So there are no villains per se in this series. Then it turns out that almost everyone's life becomes meaningless)))
@alesiamo: The creators of the series, in my opinion, are already making fun of the viewer with this cloak. Even Martha in the second season on the lake, when it was summer and hot, asked Jonas why do you even need this raincoat))
I feel very sorry for the kids - Jonas, Marta, their Ko and all their alternatives. I got sucked into this mess without even being able to finish school lol. It is not surprising that they are so easily fucked up by other adult Persians who have lived a lot and for some reason believed in the need for a knot. Especially, it's easy for kst to deceive Jonas now, whose beloved has just been killed (even though he knows that they are related to each other) and chel is purely out of passion trying to get her back. And MB, I really don't care about (sci-fi) genetics, but why was their child born normal? Or like, if both Jonas and Marta are from different worlds, then they're not related? And why wasn't he given a name? What did they call him for lunch when he was a kid (lol)?
Well, as it turns out, in order to break the knot and at the same time the suffering of all, it is necessary to make sure that no one is born. Then nothing will happen, and most importantly, all the problems. Damn, that's a great metaphor for modern-day Giselle. But I wonder why Adam, Eve and others drown for a knot like that? I have 2 versions. The first one))) - for the sake of them all being born and maintaining the knot again? Actually, in season 2, something else was said about 33 cycles and that, they say, this one, which we are watching, is the last one. And then? The second version))) - why do they need the apocalypse and what will happen after it? It's also interesting that it turns out that only Adam and Eve don't know their future, right? Or could they have sent themselves notes in the past before they died?
@_chanandler_bong: About the lip, I thought he got a scar somewhere. and as for the psycho (rather, he's still a very fanatical and cold-blooded killer) - he could have been raised like that, right?
@Simon__di: Psychos are not raised, they are born with a different emotional perception and lack of empathy. The fact that he kills people so coldly (especially a pregnant girl) is proof of that. Well, maybe it's an exaggeration, but he's clearly not right in the head.
@_chanandler_bong: for example, I saw in your previous answer the stigmatization of mental people, because not all mental people are murderers. And no, not only are people born mentally ill, but they also become mentally ill for a variety of reasons. Let's stop there.
I know that they are not only born. By "psycho," I meant a psychopath, not any mental illness, and I apologize if I misled you. and I'm just saying that his behavior is exactly in line with that. and most likely he was born like this because of incest.
And what role does Alexander Tideman (aka Boris Nivald) play in all this, who sent the letter to Clausen and why? π€ There are still so many questions..
@Whiteowl21: I think it was Martha and Jonas' child who sent the letter. Just like he forced the mayor to sign a permit for the construction of a nuclear power plant: all this so that Clausen would come to Winden, start looking for his brother, start digging for Tidemann, eventually unearthed dark matter and opened a portal in the reactor
After carefully examining the diagram on Eva's floor, it became clear that the infinity sign was the man with the scar, Agnes' husband. But also a few more observations. Do not read further, who does not want to know in advance (not a spoiler, purely according to the scheme). The daughter of Aegon and Hannah, Celia, she was in the world of the future with an adult Elizabeth when Jonos was hanged. Celia is married to Bartosz, and their children are Agnes and Hanno Tauber (Noah). I can't attach a screenshot from the last episode
@cvetulik: It turns out that at the beginning of the 02.01 episode in 1921, Noah kills his father. And that's why he married Bartosz at all, to be born.
@cvetulik: but there was such a thought when I watched season 2. But he rejected the idea, not understanding how Bartosz could have ended up in 1921. But in vain, everything is possible in this series))
@cvetulik: then it turns out that the man with the scar (Jonas' son) and Agnes (Celia's daughter and Jonos' niece) are cousins, and they have a child together, Tronte. Another incest couple, yoo!
@cvetulik: It turns out that Bartosz married his own great-aunt... and Jonas was still worried that Marta was his aunt, for some it's even worse (take the same Charlotte and Elizabeth)... The family ties in this series never cease to amaze me.....
It just went so well, thread by thread, so to speak. and that Helena gave her daughter's name for a reason, and that this stranger is chasing through all time lines to eventually be born.
they screwed it up, but even so, everything is logical.
Looking at how the traveling heroes are constantly moving through time, stirring up something and creating according to past patterns, the question involuntarily arises: does anyone ever rest from all these people who are not indifferent to the endless cycle? To track there, to direct there, to kill there, to plant there, to reduce there, to lie, to prompt, to use, to persuade oneself to do something there, plus to keep in mind a lot of replenished information... and so on constantly, decades of hard mental and physical labor, but there is no end to it all. So-so prospects for eternal life, to be honest. It's not even life, but the same divine β merciless β endless puppeteering with the timely transfer of relay duties to an early version of ourselves. Why would such a world be needed at all, where no one lives, but stupidly exists according to an approved plan. π±π
@ilpassetto: Well, sometimes they also reproduce, or try to reproduce. Most of the time, Magnus and Franziska try to do this, but judging by the Tree, they will not succeed((
@LeksB: I haven't reached the trace yet. No, but it's Martha. A similar scar can be seen in both the adult Marta and the young one (the one who saved Jonas at the end of last season). Plus, at the end of the last episode, Jonas said something like, "She said she'd explain everything herself."
The Jonas and Martha cycle in nature. Martha from one world is not satisfied or killed - you can always find another from another world or time. I thought I understood everything, but now I'm not sure if I want to understand anything. The authors' imagination is simply beyond the bounds
>Martha from one world is not satisfied or killed - you can always find another from another world @__valdezz: but Martha from the second world is not related to him, since Mikkel did not disappear...
@Sammy_chita: Yes, but here again it turns out an endless circle: they are relatives only on condition that they are relatives. In other words, if Jonas-1 and Marta-2 had not been confused, they would not have been connected at all. Although that's another question. If they hadn't messed up, Martha wouldn't have been born at all.
@WeisserSchleife: I believe all humans are genetically identical to their alternate versions. Jonas inherited Mikkel's genes, which means that Jonas is genetically the nephew of any Martha-1, Martha-2, any Martha Nielsen.
@etagirova: divorce, because she realized that they both cheated, both have their own secrets from each other, both are no longer happy with this marriage, there is no need to stay together
It's good that Katarina's mother was shown to be a separate person, otherwise because of the locket, I thought that Hannah could have given birth to Katarina's mother and given her daughter her locket, and thus be her (Katarina) grandmother and daughter-in-law. :D Everything is possible in this series
I've been waiting the whole episode for Jonas to ask why the Nielsen family lives in the Kahnwald house, but apparently it's only interesting to me... and I also hoped that the theory where Boris Nivald is the son of Hannah and Egon would be confirmed, but it wasn't there ( I wonder how the identity of Alexander (Boris) will be revealed.
@kateyama: Ines Kahnwald didn't live in that house, and in world 2.0 she didn't have a child (Michael), so it's like no one's house. and since Katarina and Ulrich are divorced, they live separately. It seems that in the second season of Alexander, it flashed that two people who committed a crime in Magdeburg were wanted (?), and when Alexander met with Regina, we saw that he was running away from his pursuers (police officers). so he's probably from another city altogether.
I'm glad for Hannah that she realized in her life that not everything revolves around men. It's a pity that I didn't realize sooner, I could have done less bullshit.
You shouldn't take my joke so seriously and with hostility)
In my comment, I was talking about Hannah, so in the end I used an appeal specifically to girls (you need to love yourself, not hang around men)
And the words about condoms are an obvious reference to the comment: the darkness is like a three-season condom commercial (which I think is funny, yes)
Naturally, in life, everyone chooses the method of contraception that is convenient for them. And a guy or a girl shouldn't think about it, but everyone should think about their own safety.
It's not shameful for a girl to carry a couple of condoms in her bag. (1. the fastest available option; 2. they are used on the male genitals, since you are so confused), and specifically you have the right to use whatever you want, I do not urge you to do anything
"Take it out of your purse and ask to put it on" has the same meaning as using it for its intended purpose. The bottom line is what they put it on and who they put it on, but both sides use it. That's why my wording is the most common. Above, I also pointed out that it is of an entertainment nature (even why)
I want to say that if a girl has a good opinion of herself, knows her own worth, and is worried about her own health and safety, she should not allow herself to be "bullied" into having sex without a condom. This can only be practiced by teenagers, who may be stupid and inexperienced due to age + lack of sex education (most often this is even an omission of parents)
I would understand your reaction if I urged everyone NOT to use condoms. Joke or not, the message in it is correct - prevention is important (I urge you not to kill kittens)
I didn't mean to offend you, but because of your growing daughter, you probably have a trigger and an enhanced perception on this topic. Raise your daughter so that she doesn't choose partners who only think about meeting their needs and don't think about safety, and also tell her about the importance of protection. I'm sure you won't have any problems.
When such an urge is addressed to women, it only means that you should not have sex without protection (in my formulation, it is exactly that). It's not so important who has it, the main thing is to use it. If you see a different message in this, then it's not my problem anymore.
@Juchka: I also wanted to write that there are female condoms, but it's just harder to get them here. By the way, they look like this: (since we're joking here that the series is an expensive advertisement)
Why is this a sign of incest? Jonas doesn't exist in Martha's world. Everything is tick-tock! Everything leads to the fact that this Source will be born, will write this book, which is marked with a triquetre, and everyone will continue to live by this book. Everything is cyclical. I think the series won't have a logical ending, everything will go back to where it started from! But it's one of the most fucking shows that's been shown on Netflix.
On the wall of the bunker, the chain of dates begins with 1822, even circled in a circle. Is this a hint of the 7th timeline? Where else, I don't remember half of the characters. But I like everything.
And can someone explain, otherwise it doesn't add up for me. There's a young Marta who's hanging out with Adam right now, she's from the second world and she's already pregnant. There is a young Marta who hangs out with young Jonas, she is also from the second world, but she just got pregnant. It should be the same Marta, but how does it turn out that she came to the first world to Jonas, dragged him to the second world, and then tore into a temporary branch to old Adam? But how much time is this Marta ahead of Marta, who just found out about everything? Judging by the fact that she didn't know she was pregnant, it hadn't been long, but how had she managed to get to know Adam and do other things? I generally thought that they could only move to specific points in time, even if they used their own movers. In short, can someone explain what the joke is?
@Sinewave: The series will explain everything to you, it will be told in the next episodes (both about Martha and about the movements it will become clearer).
I know that you watched it a year ago, but I just want to write an answer to this specific question) it turns out that Martha 2 meets Jonas at school, he drags her into a cave, the middle Martha explains everything to her, she gets pregnant. Then there are some events that we don't know about yet. Theoretically, a woman may not know that she is pregnant for three months, which means there is plenty of time for unknown events. Then she improves her knowledge of movement, finds out that she is pregnant, and is sent to another world after Jonos. It's like that
@ΠΠ΅Π½ΠΊΠ°ΠΡΠΈΡΠ°: The mystery is that travelers usually go from date A of the year N to date A of the year N+33 or N-33. That is, from September 24 to September 24, exactly for 33 years, you can travel through time using a tunnel or a suitcase. They cannot move from September 24, 2052 to June 27, 2019. But Martha with the time ball seems to be able to.
1. time travel and alternative realities are of course true, but you also need to have sex in time. 2. In any incomprehensible situation, "WAS SOLL DAS??" 3. Okay, until the last minute I thought the harelip trio was Hannah's son. It turns out she left the child (I wonder what will happen to him) 4. HOW DID Egon, who LOVED Hannah in 1954, not remember her in 2019? Season 1, did they know Dr. Dr.? It's a small town
@IDPioneer: he saw her in the 80s, of course, but she was a child, and he, on the contrary, got old) And the adult, apparently, did not meet with him again after the 54th, she kind of left.
I somehow respected Claudia, who is the only one who has more or less figured out everything and is trying to put sticks in the wheels of this Adam-Eve-triune child, while all her attempts are doomed in advance, but you can see the character of such a white devil. It's a pity there's not enough of it this season. The rest are just puppets.Bartosz is generally a nightmare, knowing that his son will kill him, turns his back, it would be better to go and do something unplanned by Adam. If they hadn't all behaved like a herd of dumb sheep, maybe everything would have been different, damn the saviors of the world.
@MII: so they can't stop being a flock of sheep, because they just don't know how to change everything to be different. That's the problem. They just think they know. They run from point "A" along one road, then different roads, not realizing that absolutely all of these roads run into "B". The eternal illusion of freedom of choice.
@MII: In such cases, you just need to keep in mind that these screenwriters are not geniuses, and not try to pull these speculative constructs on real people. At the same time, you can still enjoy the series, please note. This series is about a speculative construct, not psychological certainty.
Now there is no doubt that young Noah killed his father Bartosz in episode 1 of season 2. Although, it was possible to understand this from the frame of the family tree in the episode before last (but I was just confused at that moment)
@ArsenTatraev: He could have, but Hannah left him before his wife by half a day)I even feel sorry for him .In fact, he is the only character in the dark, and when he finds out everything, his own daughter kills him.
Looking at how everyone explains everything to each other, I want to cry, because it seems that I'm the only one who doesn't understand anything. πππππ
To be honest, I'm not surprised that Jonas became Adam at all, considering that he was lied to and used all the time.Mb this is what Adama Jonas was talking about when he said that he would eventually understand why he had become like this.And Magnus and Franziska stayed with him to the end for a reason.
No matter how negatively I feel about Hannah, her words are catchy. If she did a lot of bad things, it was only because her life itself was not sweet. She just wanted love and understanding, like any woman, and there were only men around who took advantage of her (not counting Michael). I'm not justifying her at all, but in the end it kind of felt bad. "I don't need anyone." I wouldn't want to suffer the same fate (
@killjones85: She just wanted love and understanding, like any woman, and there were only men around who took advantage of her. So maybe it was just not necessary to cling to married men, wasn't it?
@killjones85: Well, Michael wasn't such an asshole, but she just didn't need him, she needed asshole Ulrich. and by the way, parallel reality just shows that mistresses' dreams that a husband will leave his wife and live happily with his mistress do not happen. If he cheated on his wife with you, he'll probably cheat on you with someone else.
@killjones85: Hannah: Decides to start a new life. Hannah, too: she starts hanging out with a married man and gets annoyed when he mentions that she needs to spend time with her family.
Hannah: She's hanging out with a married man and she doesn't care about his wife and daughter. Hannah, when the married man didn't like that she got pregnant: how selfish everyone is!111
In general, I consider Hanna's obsession with Ulrich unhealthy. For thirty years, this "love" was unrequited (until the moment of drinking on the occasion of the anniversary of Katarina and Ulrich). You need to look at things realistically, and not focus on who you've liked since you were a teenager. Then there will be love and understanding, but you don't have to look for it with someone who doesn't care about you in this regard for thirty years. And if she really loved him, she would have tried to get him out of the asylum.
Wait, are you telling me that the son of Marta and Jonas is Tronte's father, and in two parallel realities at once??!?!?!?!?!? WHAT THE FUCK?
Is their son a bridge between worlds, the very node that was the beginning but will also become the end? The end of what? The end of the worlds (apocalypse)?
I have a ton of questions. What is Claudia's role in all of this? What are they trying to achieve? After all, they clearly want to keep this node. But why ? Just to live? Is this life? And is their life worth it, the lives of other people who will die? Can they erase memories? Or for what reason does an adult Jonas not remember his journey? And there are many more questions that I hope to get answers to further.
I'm so excited to see how it all ends!!! I still want something really meaningful to be hidden behind all these intricacies.
For a second, I thought that Hannah would stop Katerina's mother from aborting Katerina herself, but the screenwriters limited themselves to just the name. In fact, it's amazing how beautifully the theme is presented with "the beginning is the end, and the end is the beginning."
Don't you think that sex and reproduction in this series have gone a little overboard? As for me, considering all that the characters know about the problems of intertwining times and destinies of different people, reckless hookβup is the last thing you need to do at any time.
For the first time since the beginning of season 3, I seem to understand what is happening. It seems - because it's Dark, and it's hard to be sure of anything)) Of course, they did it with family ties. Doctor Who is urgently needed to break this knot, and here comes the most important problem: if everything is fixed (i.e., the loop is broken), then most, if not all, of the main characters...they will multiply by zero, because they are all essentially a product of a time loop, a paradox.
@Aspen_Snow: I also mentioned the Doctor in the comments to last season. He's somehow more successful at changing the past. Although not always, if you recall some episodes, the theme also comes up that the past cannot be changed.
@klark27: the same tree was shown in previous episodes: the daughter of Hannah and Egon is Silja, a girl from the future. Who would later become Bartosz's wife
poor Marta-2 slept with an unknown guy and immediately became pregnant with the Source, which is the cause of all her troubles)
by the way, if Hannah had had an abortion, Silja would not have been born, and therefore Agnes and Noah, and half of Winden. Hoba and all the problems would have been solved.
Please explain to me why there are 2 Martha's in the series? Jonas was killed from the world. So what's the difference between Marta, who slept with Jonas in a yellow jacket, and Adam in a canvas dress?
And fuck, why Adam is so disgusting is impossible.
Both Martha's are from world 2. It's just that the one in the dress and hanging out with Adam is a version from the future, and the one in the cape is from the past.
@Stillin_: Dude, well, he's really hitting the mark, probably trained in Physical Education. He came, put things in order, and went off into the sunset.
Oh my God! It's so confusing... In each timeline, they are trying to stop the end of the world, but it is not very clear who is honest and who is not. I hear from each character in the direction of the other: "He lied, everything was wrong, etc." π€·πΌβοΈ I hope Eva, aka Marta, doesn't turn out to be the main antagonist of this series.
After this episode, I gave up. I was already completely confused about the events of the series, who came to whom in which of the worlds and times, what he said / forced to do. And most importantly why. At the moment, it seems that the goal of all the "omniscient" characters is to send who needs to be where to conceive who needs to be, so that this branched, self-replicating family can happen, the only content of the lives of all members of which will run back and forth from time to time, manipulate and take out each other's brains - again, with the sole purpose of all this It happened. And it's not very interesting. The design is intricate, of course, and difficult to come up with. But all this does not cause sympathy. In time travel stories, you sympathize with the characters who want to fix everything, to become happy is an understandable goal. And here? I sympathized with Jonas, who wanted to save his father, and I sympathize with Katarina, who wants to save her husband. And the rest of the body movements-why would they all do that? I really hope that all this will make some kind of understandable sense by the end.
That's it, after this episode, I finally got confused about family ties. π€¦πΌβοΈπ€¦πΌβοΈπ€¦πΌβοΈ And one more question - are there really only 3 families living in Vinden? That they're always messing with each other there. A lot of other people
@00rainbow00: three families (although there are four of them: Nielsen, Kahnwald, Doppler and Tiedemann) can be explained by the mercy of the screenwriters. Even in the first season, it was necessary to memorize three little dogs for each character (53, 86, 19). Yes, and at least some screen time would need to be allocated to the disclosure of the "left" characters. So far, from more or less unrelated to these families, we have a trance, a one-eyed policeman and an investigator who provokes the apocalypse by opening barrels. Even more characters would just confuse the audience even more (although it would seem much more)
@00rainbow00: there were also additional people in our families, the same Yana (married Nielsen), the unknown wife Helge - they probably still have relatives in the city, but we only saw them from their family, + some relatives of the Albers and Ines (who with her father is not related to anyone known at all)
On the wall of the basement/cave where the two Martha's were talking, I saw the word Apparat.. interestingly, is this a reference to the author of the musical accompaniment of the opening?
I'm sorry, I'm from the future, but at least someone said that! I also don't understand the joke, first my hands, then touch other people's and your own faces.
The source must be destroyed so that there will never be a Winden. If there is no Wind, there will be no explosion of the nuclear power plant. There will be no Apocalypse. I think I've started to understand something, but that's not for sure.
I think this whole story of the feminine and masculine, with different hypostases, is nothing more than an allegory of the marriage of a man and a woman and how it changes over time.
I wonder where Agnes went? I have a feeling that Adam is sending her on a specific assignment that she intentionally won't complete (given her connection to Claudia).
And now I understand why in the mirror world the Nielsen trio are black!) in the ordinary world they went to the ancestor Jonas with genes and were blonde, and in the mirror world they went to the ancestor Martha and became all black))) (I do not understand why, among all that is happening in the TV series zvizdets, this information seems important to me?))))))
For two episodes now, they haven't remembered Claudia, Katarina (will she save Ulrich?), mute (who since became a supervillain), Velera and other characters (It seems to me, or in the first two seasons, each episode involved the maximum number of characters and everything was very diverse.. And here, well, it seems like yes, "I still don't understand what's going on," but there's no sharpness either. I hope we'll see it in the next episodes.
I'm still tormented by the question... If everything is already predetermined, then why doesn't Jonas Sr. remember his trip to another and another Martha? How did it happen that their intercourse is the beginning of everything, but he doesn't know about it at all.
I'm not getting it right, to be honest. What's the point of messing with this Martha (killing or saving her) if all everyone really needs is to prevent an explosion? Or are they afraid that they won't be able to travel in time anymore?
As I understand it, Adam and Eve don't want that. I don't understand anyone's motivation at all. That's what they're all trying to do. Close the transitions, make a time machine, suggest what to do to another version of yourself, prevent the apocalypse or start it... nothing is clear Again, as we've been told more than once, Adam and Eve don't change anything. Because everything has to go as it went, so that they become these Adam and Eve. but why ? What is their super goal? They want to grow their younger copies up to themselves so that what?
I don't know how, but it seems completely idiotic to me that this is their laudatory beginning. Damn, you've just had your old world crushed into atoms and the truth revealed in the form of a grain of sand in a global plan. The whole picture of the world has collapsed before your eyes. Is it really impossible to get rid of this stress without having sex with a guy you don't fucking know?
The moment with Elena Albers (Katarina's mom) and Hannah is awesome! What a cool scenario! Hannah's face when she realizes that this girl will name her daughter after her. And this pendant. I am very happy for Jonas. That he got a little warmth in his pitch darkness. The ending is interesting. It turns out that Trinity is the child of Marta from a parallel world and our Jonas?
By killing Martha at the end of season 2, Adam says that he is doing this in order for Jonas to turn into him, that sooner or later he will forget both the pain and Martha. In an alternate world, an adult Marta tells Jonas that there is only one world to save and he must let his Marta go. Young Marta-2 is shocked by everything she has heard, and Jonas feels guilty again. And how else in life do some people relieve stress? There seems to be tension with food and alcohol in their worlds. That leaves sex. The fact that the average Jonas (wanderer) doesn't remember being in an alternate world continues to bother me. The scriptwriters are preparing some kind of feint. Now it would be necessary to inform the Jonas that they will become fathers. Jonas the wanderer, stuck in 1888, will be surprised.
I suspect we have 2 possible endings here.: 1) Everything stays in its place and just rolls on an endless circle of new cycles 2) The heroes will destroy the source anyway, and we'll just be shown Winden without most of the characters in the series, and without a nuclear power plant.
everyone writes that Agnes and Jonas and Marta's child met and had children, did you conclude this from that bracelet and the words about Tronte's mother?
Now it's clear why the nameless one looks so much like Mikel in childhood, and like Tronto in middle age. Because he is their ancestor, and they are his. And the nearest ones It turns out that he is Mikel's grandson and Tronto's great-great-grandson. And he 's their father and great - great - grandfather π¬
With all the advantages of the series, it's getting harder and harder to listen to all these endless pretentious monologues. Every time someone starts moving some kind of lengthy pseudo-philosophical cart, their eyes already roll back, and almost all adult characters who happen to jump in time suffer from this. Is this a side effect or something? Noah was hiding behind his door, then the kids ran away, and he comes out so slowly, looks thoughtfully at the wall and begins: "The end is the beginning, and the beginning is the end..." Well, what is it, normal people don't behave like that.
How the stately, majestic Egon shrank after learning about Hannah's pregnancy. I like the third season less than the second, but about as much as the first. Everything can still change dramatically, literally in any episode. For now, I just hope that the end will be logical.
Now it's clear where the little book that goes around comes from. I kept thinking who wrote it, the version was that Adam. But it turned out to be his son..
Kapets is a family. You can break your head, and most importantly, no one is trying to get out of there. Everything happens in the same town, cut off from the rest of the world. They just jump from one time to another.
It became exhausting. If everything had been sorted out within the years and faces shown in the 2 seasons, it would have been more elegant. But these endless movements into the past are also alt.mir - sadness-sadness.
This March is annoying and infuriating even more than the previous one.
It was a crazy thing when Hannah was given a pendant, I thought that she was about to become Katarina's mother :)
In general, season 3 is creaking. Because of the new times and the new, old heroes, everything is somehow crumpled up and there is not enough time for those who have been with us for a long time and have fallen in love.
Well, the child of Adam and Eve is expected, of course, but again their fear of taking responsibility tires them.: You either live already and accept it, or you will nobly die so that the rest of the world can survive.
Jonas doesn't give a fuck which Marta to fuck, I'm sorry These are 2 completely different people, not counting the shell. Thoughts, feelings, experiences - this March is not the same as that one, and vice versa And Jonas, according to him, loved and wanted to get his Marta back.
One of the few TV shows where I just turned off trying to understand something and just look, I've been at work for six months and I can't remember my colleagues by name, but here I have people in two parallel realities at three different ages who are also all related to each other
That is, Hannah will give birth to Celia, she and Bartysh will give birth to Noah and Agnes, then Tronte-Ulrich-Mikel-Jonas Jonas and Marta will give birth to that killer with no name, oh howπ
I wonder how Hannah lived for a few months in '54? I paid for housing, bought clothes, and so on. Egon doesn't look like a wealthy man who would support her. At some point, for a second, I even felt sorry for her when Egon was afraid of her pregnancy. But on the other hand, why did she stay in this time at all and get involved with a married man again? If I wanted to live this year, I would have found a free man. Egon also felt a little sorry, but then again, why pour alcohol on the mountain (
We were also surprised by the moment with Claudia undressing in front of the Throne and Helena, Katarina's future mother, who came for an abortion. They're still kids, it's kind of weird for the 50s.
Otherwise, there are even more time and parallel lines, and although it's interesting to keep track of it, the brain really gets tired.
Discussion: Season 3, Episode 4 Join the Discussion
336but I can't imagine how to watch 2000 episodes in 2.5 months
It 's necessary to watch at least 10 hours a day π
Can I do that too?))
In general, if you believe the statistics, this is 6.5 years of continuous viewing ... although if you move through time and count the hours from parallel universesβ¦
the son of Adam and Eve in general grew up unhappy, without life. I thought that all the other heroes were born from their children, and here is this one orphan son
But the climax was something else: how old were the Dodo and Agnes at that time? Did it bother anyone that she came to his room and got naked? Obviously not so that he would check out her pubic hair, which had just begun to fluff.
Everything ingenious is simple, as they say))
Episode 4: what the hell is going on here?!
So Eve and Adam use younger selves to make them exist in the end? I think there's more to it than that.
And at the same time, their child is common (obviously timeless, does he even need something to jump through time and worlds?) he makes it happen/created in his life, so that all events happen. Awesome ouroboros, of course.
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I still reread the comments after I write and realize that I'm not the only one who's like, "Oh, that's it," or "oh, well, now it's clear."
But blaine, did the writers of the series originally have such an idea in everything, or did they come up with it on the fly? Like, lol, let's make Elizabeth Charlotte's mother, and then Charlotte will give birth to Elizabeth. Hey, let's go (it's not from this episode, I remembered it from last season, if anything).
There is a feeling that the final answer will be that time and space are relative, because they are perceived by us as such, and in fact did not exist before the "Big Bang". Thus, the words of that uncle who is the father of the blind man from 1888 that people in time and space exist forever - there is an answer to all questions. That is, all the universes and time in them are one, and the boundaries are an illusion.
Well, or as a theory: promoting a biblical theme. As a child, I also wondered how God could always be. Well, that is, this is a kind of answer to this question. Okay, the latter is far-fetched...
It turns out that the loop cannot be broken at all, if it is broken, then in general more than half of the characters will never be born. It turns out that what Adam and Eve are doing is an attempt to preserve everything so that no one disappears. So there are no villains per se in this series. Then it turns out that almost everyone's life becomes meaningless)))
And MB, I really don't care about (sci-fi) genetics, but why was their child born normal? Or like, if both Jonas and Marta are from different worlds, then they're not related? And why wasn't he given a name? What did they call him for lunch when he was a kid (lol)?
Well, as it turns out, in order to break the knot and at the same time the suffering of all, it is necessary to make sure that no one is born. Then nothing will happen, and most importantly, all the problems. Damn, that's a great metaphor for modern-day Giselle.
But I wonder why Adam, Eve and others drown for a knot like that? I have 2 versions. The first one))) - for the sake of them all being born and maintaining the knot again? Actually, in season 2, something else was said about 33 cycles and that, they say, this one, which we are watching, is the last one. And then?
The second version))) - why do they need the apocalypse and what will happen after it?
It's also interesting that it turns out that only Adam and Eve don't know their future, right? Or could they have sent themselves notes in the past before they died?
Dude, where is he normal?
he has a cleft lip, and plus he's obviously crazy
There are still so many questions..
It just went so well, thread by thread, so to speak. and that Helena gave her daughter's name for a reason, and that this stranger is chasing through all time lines to eventually be born.
they screwed it up, but even so, everything is logical.
Martha from one world is not satisfied or killed - you can always find another from another world or time.
I thought I understood everything, but now I'm not sure if I want to understand anything. The authors' imagination is simply beyond the bounds
@__valdezz: but Martha from the second world is not related to him, since Mikkel did not disappear...
and I also hoped that the theory where Boris Nivald is the son of Hannah and Egon would be confirmed, but it wasn't there (
I wonder how the identity of Alexander (Boris) will be revealed.
It seems that in the second season of Alexander, it flashed that two people who committed a crime in Magdeburg were wanted (?), and when Alexander met with Regina, we saw that he was running away from his pursuers (police officers). so he's probably from another city altogether.
Girls, we use condoms and love ourselves!
In my comment, I was talking about Hannah, so in the end I used an appeal specifically to girls (you need to love yourself, not hang around men)
And the words about condoms are an obvious reference to the comment: the darkness is like a three-season condom commercial (which I think is funny, yes)
Naturally, in life, everyone chooses the method of contraception that is convenient for them. And a guy or a girl shouldn't think about it, but everyone should think about their own safety.
It's not shameful for a girl to carry a couple of condoms in her bag. (1. the fastest available option; 2. they are used on the male genitals, since you are so confused), and specifically you have the right to use whatever you want, I do not urge you to do anything
I want to say that if a girl has a good opinion of herself, knows her own worth, and is worried about her own health and safety, she should not allow herself to be "bullied" into having sex without a condom. This can only be practiced by teenagers, who may be stupid and inexperienced due to age + lack of sex education (most often this is even an omission of parents)
I would understand your reaction if I urged everyone NOT to use condoms. Joke or not, the message in it is correct - prevention is important (I urge you not to kill kittens)
I didn't mean to offend you, but because of your growing daughter, you probably have a trigger and an enhanced perception on this topic. Raise your daughter so that she doesn't choose partners who only think about meeting their needs and don't think about safety, and also tell her about the importance of protection. I'm sure you won't have any problems.
When such an urge is addressed to women, it only means that you should not have sex without protection (in my formulation, it is exactly that). It's not so important who has it, the main thing is to use it. If you see a different message in this, then it's not my problem anymore.
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it turns out that Martha 2 meets Jonas at school, he drags her into a cave, the middle Martha explains everything to her, she gets pregnant. Then there are some events that we don't know about yet. Theoretically, a woman may not know that she is pregnant for three months, which means there is plenty of time for unknown events. Then she improves her knowledge of movement, finds out that she is pregnant, and is sent to another world after Jonos. It's like that
2. In any incomprehensible situation, "WAS SOLL DAS??"
3. Okay, until the last minute I thought the harelip trio was Hannah's son. It turns out she left the child (I wonder what will happen to him)
4. HOW DID Egon, who LOVED Hannah in 1954, not remember her in 2019? Season 1, did they know Dr. Dr.? It's a small town
And the adult, apparently, did not meet with him again after the 54th, she kind of left.
At the same time, you can still enjoy the series, please note. This series is about a speculative construct, not psychological certainty.
So maybe it was just not necessary to cling to married men, wasn't it?
Hannah, too: she starts hanging out with a married man and gets annoyed when he mentions that she needs to spend time with her family.
Hannah: She's hanging out with a married man and she doesn't care about his wife and daughter.
Hannah, when the married man didn't like that she got pregnant: how selfish everyone is!111
And if she really loved him, she would have tried to get him out of the asylum.
Is their son a bridge between worlds, the very node that was the beginning but will also become the end? The end of what? The end of the worlds (apocalypse)?
I have a ton of questions. What is Claudia's role in all of this? What are they trying to achieve? After all, they clearly want to keep this node. But why ? Just to live? Is this life? And is their life worth it, the lives of other people who will die?
Can they erase memories? Or for what reason does an adult Jonas not remember his journey? And there are many more questions that I hope to get answers to further.
I'm so excited to see how it all ends!!! I still want something really meaningful to be hidden behind all these intricacies.
For a second, I thought that Hannah would stop Katerina's mother from aborting Katerina herself, but the screenwriters limited themselves to just the name.
In fact, it's amazing how beautifully the theme is presented with "the beginning is the end, and the end is the beginning."
by the way, if Hannah had had an abortion, Silja would not have been born, and therefore Agnes and Noah, and half of Winden. Hoba and all the problems would have been solved.
So what's the difference between Marta, who slept with Jonas in a yellow jacket, and Adam in a canvas dress?
And fuck, why Adam is so disgusting is impossible.
I hope Eva, aka Marta, doesn't turn out to be the main antagonist of this series.
Egon deserves more(
She barely knows him, he understands that she is from another world.
For 3 seasons, I've been unable to take this duet well...)
Me: hold my beer.
Hannah is like Mother Teresa here, but I even feel a little sorry for her.
They twist and twist these Jonos and Marts as they want.
in the ordinary world they went to the ancestor Jonas with genes and were blonde, and in the mirror world they went to the ancestor Martha and became all black)))
(I do not understand why, among all that is happening in the TV series zvizdets, this information seems important to me?))))))
Aaaaaaa
So that's who Agnes' husband is - a creep threesome
Father Tronte
Are the episodes going by the hour?
I just noticed it now
Or is it just one of them?
Apparently that's really her only advantage, there's nothing else about her.π€¦βοΈ
But in the end, maybe they have common family ties π
70% of the characters are related after all))
He doesn't exist in her world, they're not related π
It seemed clear before that. What's going on right now?
I don't understand anyone's motivation at all. That's what they're all trying to do. Close the transitions, make a time machine, suggest what to do to another version of yourself, prevent the apocalypse or start it... nothing is clear
Again, as we've been told more than once, Adam and Eve don't change anything. Because everything has to go as it went, so that they become these Adam and Eve. but why ? What is their super goal? They want to grow their younger copies up to themselves so that what?
I am very happy for Jonas. That he got a little warmth in his pitch darkness. The ending is interesting. It turns out that Trinity is the child of Marta from a parallel world and our Jonas?
In an alternate world, an adult Marta tells Jonas that there is only one world to save and he must let his Marta go. Young Marta-2 is shocked by everything she has heard, and Jonas feels guilty again. And how else in life do some people relieve stress? There seems to be tension with food and alcohol in their worlds. That leaves sex.
The fact that the average Jonas (wanderer) doesn't remember being in an alternate world continues to bother me. The scriptwriters are preparing some kind of feint.
Now it would be necessary to inform the Jonas that they will become fathers. Jonas the wanderer, stuck in 1888, will be surprised.
1) Everything stays in its place and just rolls on an endless circle of new cycles
2) The heroes will destroy the source anyway, and we'll just be shown Winden without most of the characters in the series, and without a nuclear power plant.
It turns out that he is Mikel's grandson and Tronto's great-great-grandson. And he 's their father and great - great - grandfather π¬
It turns out that this is all a bubble experiment with time within the framework of one location - Windena. A simulation like... hmm
Noah was hiding behind his door, then the kids ran away, and he comes out so slowly, looks thoughtfully at the wall and begins: "The end is the beginning, and the beginning is the end..." Well, what is it, normal people don't behave like that.
I like the third season less than the second, but about as much as the first. Everything can still change dramatically, literally in any episode. For now, I just hope that the end will be logical.
If everything had been sorted out within the years and faces shown in the 2 seasons, it would have been more elegant. But these endless movements into the past are also alt.mir - sadness-sadness.
This March is annoying and infuriating even more than the previous one.
It was a crazy thing when Hannah was given a pendant, I thought that she was about to become Katarina's mother :)
In general, season 3 is creaking. Because of the new times and the new, old heroes, everything is somehow crumpled up and there is not enough time for those who have been with us for a long time and have fallen in love.
Well, the child of Adam and Eve is expected, of course, but again their fear of taking responsibility tires them.: You either live already and accept it, or you will nobly die so that the rest of the world can survive.
These are 2 completely different people, not counting the shell.
Thoughts, feelings, experiences - this March is not the same as that one, and vice versa
And Jonas, according to him, loved and wanted to get his Marta back.
I don't even know what to write anymore. It's all so confusing.
Jonas and Marta will give birth to that killer with no name, oh howπ
I wonder how Hannah lived for a few months in '54? I paid for housing, bought clothes, and so on. Egon doesn't look like a wealthy man who would support her.
At some point, for a second, I even felt sorry for her when Egon was afraid of her pregnancy. But on the other hand, why did she stay in this time at all and get involved with a married man again? If I wanted to live this year, I would have found a free man.
Egon also felt a little sorry, but then again, why pour alcohol on the mountain (
We were also surprised by the moment with Claudia undressing in front of the Throne and Helena, Katarina's future mother, who came for an abortion. They're still kids, it's kind of weird for the 50s.
Otherwise, there are even more time and parallel lines, and although it's interesting to keep track of it, the brain really gets tired.